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Budo Q&A 2021 Part 4
Budo Q&A 2021 Part 4
March/April
By Louis Vitalis
Introduction
• Seito = Student
• Deshi = Disciple
• According to Google translate this is the difference between Seito and Deshi. In Budo we can
easily translate it as follows.
• If you participate in an open Seminar, where a certain teacher is the head Sensei, or when you
practice a few times at a Sensei’s Dojo, you might call yourself a student of this Sensei.
• However, the Sensei-Deshi relation goes much deeper, and is a relation build on 100% trust. You
can only call yourself a Deshi from a certain Sensei if that Sensei has actually confirmed that
relation with you in person.
• I.e. Ishido Sensei has only 6 Deshi in Europe. It doesn’t mean that a Deshi is better than a Seito,
but the relation with the Sensei is built on the fact that the Sensei allows you to represent him
in teaching.
Budo and Scientific Research
Can you explain how your Kendo teachers introduced a scientific approach to budo training and how
Andy Watson Ryoshinkan UK that differed to what you experienced elsewhere?
Budo and Scientific Research (1)
• There are many kinds of Scientific approaches to Kendo, the main ones:
• Statistical Research, ie what kind of points are scored the most, what
kind of techniques are more successful.
• Trainig Method Research. Comparing training methods of very
successful Kendo Teams, including physical training, power training.
• Medical Research. Some universities even study how the brain works
during some Kendo situations!
• Historical Research. There is a lot of old literature on Budo, so there is a
lot of topics to do research on as well.
• Bio Mechanical Research (see pic).
Budo and Scientific Research (3)
With his long experience of Budo in Japan; I would like to ask Louis sensei's view on the different
social/financial/education/political leanings between the practitioners of Kendo, Judo, Kyudo, Karate
etc. that he observed in Japan. Also I would like to ask Louis Sensei his view about how budo in
Europe generally attracts the liberal/arty/left-leaning people whearas in Japan more people seem to
Jock Hopson Eishinkan U.K be the traditionalist/conservative/right of centre members of society.
Social background of Budo population in Japan (1)
• Although I lived in Japan for more than six years and speak, read and write the language
reasonably well, I only practiced Kendo, Iaido and Jodo, so it’s a bit difficult for me to
compare the other Budo disciplines.
• The following remarks are purely based on my personal experience and opinion, there is no
scientific truth in it!
• Kendo, Judo and Karate all share the competitive element, with a so-called “real” free fight
as a form of competition. Iaido, Jodo, Kyudo have competitions, but you don’t really fight
each other. Except Tomiki Aikido (which was conceived by a Aikido Sensei who was also a
high grade Judoka), Aikido doesn’t favour competition.
• The top players in Kendo don’t show any interest in “Traditional” Budo such as Iaido and
Jodo, and the Top Iaido and Jodo Sensei may have a grade in Kendo, but they are never in
the top Kendo league.
Social background of Budo population in Japan (2)
• I cannot comment on the political leanings of groups of people in Japan, but I do think there is a
social and financial background difference. Kendo, Judo, Karate populations in Japan are very
big, so you will find poor people and rich people doing it. You will find them in Metropolitan
Areas as well as in the country side.
• In my personal experience I find Iaido and Kyudo Sensei usually of a more affluent background
than Kendo, Judo and Karate people, but this is not based on scientific research!
• There are still many prefectures in Japan where the Iaido population is extremely small, so this
will lead to a more “Elite” type of people practicing it.
• Jodo is even worse, there are still many Prefecture where Jodo is almost non-existent. I.e.
Ibaraki Ken, which has a very big Kendo population, has almost no Jodo people, even if they are
so close to Tokyo! The reason may surprise you: “why should we import a Budo from Fukuoa
Ken, if we have our own famous Kendo/Kenjutsu schools?” therefore you will not see Jodo
demonstrations on their official Kendo Tournaments, which is a custom in most other
Prefectures. In stead you will see Hokushin Itto Ryu from the Mito Lineage, which was practiced
in the Kodokan Samurai School in Mito.
Social background of Budo population in Japan vs Overseas (1)
• In my opinion, this can only be explained by a difference in history. The Budo population in
Japan is, generally speaking, more conservative than progressive. For many young people,
Kendo is old fashioned, because it is literally OLD!
• The fact that REIGI SAHO (etiquette and correct manners) is such an integral part of
Kendo/Iaido/Jodo, is for many young people a part of traditional Japan, which they
compare to more modern European and American societies.
• Another part that may influence young Japanese is the fact that Kendo/Iaido/Jodo is
associated with Militaristic Japan of the 1930’s and 1940’s by some people.
• However, I would not like to generalize too much. All my personal Sensei are very relaxed
and openminded personalities, and certainly not old fashioned. If they were really
conservative and traditionalist, they would never have taught Budo to a weird Gaijin like
me in the first place!
Social background of Budo population in Japan vs Overseas (2)
• I have noticed big differences in Budo Groups in Japan. For example Kendo at Police, Army, and
some traditional Universities are quite strict and old fashioned. But many Universities and
Companies with Kendo Clubs are much more open and relaxed. Guess which kind of Kendo
Clubs I always went to?
• The Iaido population in Japan I find more conservative than Kendo, just look at the many old
fashioned customs that still exist among Iaidoka.
• As a contrast, the Aikido community in Japan is much more on the “Alternative” side of things,
and if you study Ueshiba Sensei’s philosophy it’s easy to understand why.
• The Budo population outside Japan is first of all made up of people who are curious to look into
other cultures. You won’t find many hard core nationalists in this group.
• I would not generalize Japanese Budo population and Overseas Budo population in Right
Leaning vs Left Leaning, but I would argue that there are more old fashioned people in Japanese
Budo groups than in overseas Budo groups.
How to Stand or Sit during a Seminar
Dear Vitalis sensei, How should you stand / sit during an Iaido seminar when an explanation is given
by a Japanese sensei. During the Ishido cup I saw many variants. What to do when you have sat
down in seiza and the explanation takes longer than your legs can handle. If standing is allowed, how
do you hold your hands?
Hans Pillen Kiryoku Zoetermeer The Netherlands
How to Stand or Sit during a Seminar
Has reiho influenced the fundamental techniques of budo? Do koryu contain certain body
movements as a consequence of court etiquette such as the Ogasawara ryu?
John Kennedy Dublin Kendo Kobukai Ireland
Influence of Reiho
In many Iaido schools Seiza is very common. If you look at the older Iaijutsu Schools that still survived,
you will not find any Seiza, because that is not suitable for the battlefield.
Ogasawara Ryu of Reigi is actually from the Muromachi Period (1336-1573) and was later formalized in
the Edo Period (1603-1868). It is not Court Etiquette, but Buke (Samurai) etiquette, according to
Japanese Wikipedia.
Influence of Reiho
• So there is no doubt that the Seiza position is a kind of artificial Ogasawara Ryu
About the name of 'Hasso no kamai'... 'Eight directions' just refers to visibility 'all around'? Or is there
Xavier Kodokan Netherlands a theorical explanation for the eight directions?
Hasso no Kamae (1)
• However, what you don’t learn in Kendo, is how to use a real Shinken, for this you’d have to
study Iaido.
• Two years prior to passing my 7 dan Kendo, Ishido Sensei had already helped me to pass 7
dan Iaido, which I took together with Jock Sensei in Japan, in 1998.
• During our Iaido exam preparations of course Ishido Sensei was much younger than now,
and he was very energetic in his teaching. It meant our training was pretty tough, and we
had to repeat our Kata countless of times.
• But, because both Jock and me have a Kendo background, we had no problem with
imagining an opponent, “Kasoteki” 仮想敵.
• If one only practices Iaido and no Kendo or Jodo, it will always be difficult to fight this
imaginary opponent.
Relations between Kendo, Iaido and Jodo (3)
• The great thing about Jodo is that you will learn things to further compliment your Kendo
and or Iaido.
• Besides learning the use of the Tachi, you will learn to use both left and right hand equally.
• You will also learn left and right body movement, and Taiatari from various directions.
• My Kendo teacher was a top player in the All Japan Kendo Championships, but he had
already recognized the use of Jodo to complement his Kendo techniques. He would use
Jodo like techniques with his Shinai, and with that he could disarm any Kendoka who didn’t
understand Jodo.
• Therefore our advise is to at least practice two out of three.
Reiho and Zanshin 礼法と残心 (1)
Dear sensei,
Thank you very much for the opportunity, you gave to us, to ask questions.
I would like to ask how we can further develop our perception and practice around concepts such as
Reiho and Zanshin.
Kind regards
Yannis
Yannis Papadopoulos Asunaro Kai Greece
Reiho and Zanshin 礼法と残心 (2)
• Reiho in modern Budo is mostly influenced by the Ogasawara Ryu of Reiho (see
previous).
• We can distinguish various Reiho.
• Rei when entering the Dojo.
• Rei for the Kamidana (small Shinto shrine) or Butsudan (small Buddhist Shrine) or Shomen/Main
Stand in case of an Enbu in a large hall.
• Rei for the Sensei.
• Rei for the other students.
• Rei for the Sword (Torei).
• In Iaido you learn different ways of Rei for each situation, in Kendo and Jodo it’s little
simpler.
• The purpose of Reiho is to show respect to others, but also to maintain a calm frame
of mind inside the Dojo.
• The pic on the right is my first Iaido Sensei, Tanaya Sensei (Hanshi 8 dan), who taught
me up to 4 dan level. After that I met Ishido Sensei who has been my teacher ever
since.
Reiho and Zanshin 礼法と残心 (3)
Why is the side of the tsuka, instead of its edge, used to strike Teki in ZNKR Iai kata Ju Ponme -
Shihogiri? My question has so far been unanswered at multiple seminars; so, I look forward to Vitalis
George R. Beck Sei-Zan Kai United States Sensei's answer.
Hit with the Tsuka
how should we understand the concept of do-chu-sei and sei-chu-do in both Iaido and Kendo
Jock Hopson Eishinkan U.K training
Sei Chu Do 静中動
• Sei = Quiet
• Chu = Inside
• Do = Movement
• This is well known in Kendo, but is also used in other Budo, such as Kyudo. It means you
should calmly (Sei) observe your oponent, but not stop your focus so that you can quickly
change to a strong movement (Do) as the need arises.
• The reverse is DO CHU SEI, meaning that even during strong movements (Do), your mind
should stay calm (Sei), so as not to loose your ability to react to whatever happens.
• In the case of Iaido one can show this element in the way one moves the eyes. I.e. if the
eyes move left and right or up and down, not related to the movements in the Kata, it
means the aspect of Sei Chu Do is not under control.
Meaning of Kata形の意味
Loui Vitalis Sensei, thank you for reading a questions and my apologize for them.
A question about iaido meaning in ZNKRN kata, learning mae gives us opportunity to stop to kill
person (kasoteki) if he (she) would give up (in our imagination and meanings). Other kata doesn't
give us possibility to stop (make person to give up) or persons to do that. With some aggressive or
dangerous persons and situations we can be sure for some reasons. First question, could be
techniques adapted in future to use sharp side and non lethal sword side (not related the beginning
of kata 4, 8, 10, zuki or ...) to change situation and meaning of what we are practicing. Second, is
there any techniques that have non lethal (that brings kasoteki some wound, scare, or just run away)
situation. And third question, what you most loved and still care and love in Japan (not meaning of
territory, but in people, in culture, in nature), what is hidden that only you and some people can see
and feel there.
Thank you very much for reading. Dank u well.
Alexey Alchin KaiSeiKan Bulgaria My apologize for questions again. Sumimasen.
Meaning of Kata形の意味
• The first two questions assume that ZNKR Seitei Iaido is a practical
fighting art.
• Please check the ZNKR philosophy: Kendo (Iaido/Jodo) is the way to
improve as a human being, by learning the principles of the
Japanese sword.
• Because it is a “Do” and not a “Jutsu”, the ZNKR Kata will never
change drastically, nor will you see techniques using the flat side of
the sword.
• My personal opinion (please feel free to disagree!) is that especially
ZNKR Seitei Iai is not suitable for a real fight at all. It was designed
to increase the knowledge about a Japanese sword for the ever
growing Kendo population, who were only hitting each other with a
bamboo sword. It is not designed as an actual fighting or killing art.
• I would even argue that Kata from Seiza position are not realistic at
all. Why would you sit in Seiza and attempt a fight in the first place?
That’s why you won’t find Seiza in very old Ryu such as Katori
Shinto Ryu, or modern fighting styles such as Toyama Ryu Iaido,
using a Gunto.
What I love about Japan
Loui Vitalis Sensei. Thank you for reading a questions and I am apologize for them.
In the whole history of All Japan Kendo Federation (ZNKR) how communication and interaction
between schools (ryu) developed (especially inside committees)? How it was at the beginning and
how it is happened nowadays? How the members of committees and all hachidan's Senseis from
different schools interact to each others in cultural way? What they thought (told) and think (telling)
about non Japaneese students along the whole history of ZNKR?
And last question How to behave and what to do it not meeting Senseis from Japan (any advices)?
Alexey KaiSeiKan Bulgaria Sumimasen.
Origin of ZNKR Seitei Iai (1)
• In the last two decades, the relations between the different Ryu Ha have very much
improved.
• At one point, Ishido Sensei started to bring Sensei from Jikiden and Shinkage and these Ryu
have meanwhile grown into powerful groups in Europe as well. This could only have
happened because of their strong relationships in Japan.
• How do they feel about foreigners doing Budo? During my first trips to Japan in the mid
1970s there were still very few foreigners doing Kendo, let alone Iaido or Jodo. Jock senpai
and me were still considered rarities in those days in Japan. Now you will find foreigners in
every major Kendo University, and in famous Iaido and Jodo Dojo in Japan, you will find
plenty of Gaijin.
• Although the Japanese society has gotten used to foreigners being there, the Japanese still
have a strong sense of “Japanese Uniqueness”, which will lead to open racism in some
cases, even within the Budo world.
Making Money from Budo?
Our sensei’s, you included, make no financial profit out of your lifelong commitment to budo. Why is
that? What is behind this choice? Many martial artists choose to finance their activities, or their life,
by paid lessons or workshops or whatever financially rewarded budo-related activity that can possibly
Inti Suarez Yushinkan Netherlands be invented. Why don’t we do that too?
Making Money from Budo
• I have been doing Budo for 49 years. The first 35 years I have invested a large amount of
money by flying to Japan every year, buying equipment, visiting many seminars and
tournaments every year etc etc. I’m quite sure I could have bought a nice Rolls Royce from
this investment, but of course I’m not complaining.
• The last ten years I have adopted the policy that I will not spend money on Budo if I’m
requested to teach. I’m not making any money on teaching Budo, but at least my expenses
are covered. I do spend money every year when I travel to Japan for training or gradings.
• If I could have assembled 200 students for Kendo/Iaido/Jodo, I would have chosen to
become a professional, but that’s not even possible in Japan anymore, let alone in Europe.
Changes in Budo practice
Over the years have you seen a change on how our three budo are being practised?
Not looking at specific techniques or kata, but for example attitude of the Japanese sensei or the
David Smits Yushinkan The Netherlands atmosphere in the dojo or at seminars.
Changes in Budo Practice (1)
• I can only speak on the past 49 years, I’m sure Jock Sensei could compare even longer than
that!
• In Europe, I was one of the first Iaido Shodan in 1977, so you can imagine how limited the
level of knowledge was. The past 20 years has seen a big increase in higher dan grades, so
automatically the level of knowledge has increased a lot as well. When I started Kendo, we
had to learn Kendo techniques from a book, because we had so few contacts with Japanese
Sensei.
• Kendo: until the mid 1980s Kendo was much tougher, later it became much more athletic
and fast.
• When I came back from Japan in 1982, I simply copied the Japanese training that I was
used to, and six months later all my students were gone………………
Changes in Budo Practice (2)
• Iaido: In the seventies there was not so much emphasis on correct form, even though Seitei
Iai already existed. Nowadays it is much more important to execute the Kata exactly by the
book, otherwise you won’t be successful in tournaments or exams.
• When I took my Shodan Iaido in Japan in 1977, I was still very much a rarity in Japan. Even
most of the foreign participants in the Kendo/Iaido seminar that I joined, did not do the
Iaido exam.
• The Japanese Sensei were so pleased that a strange young (I just turned 18) foreigner was
trying their traditional Budo, that I passed my Shodan after two weeks of daily training at
the Seminar. Most likely, I would not even pass 3rd Kyu according to present standards.
Changes in Budo Practice (3)
• Kan=Slow
• Kyu=Fast
• Kyo=Strong
• Jaku=Soft
• Merihari means to find a balance between these four elements. It’s not specifically a Budo
term, if you search it (i.e. yahoo.co.jp), you will find this relating to daily life as well.
• One way to train this in your Iaido and or Jodo Kata is to train a Kata very slow and soft a
few times, then very fast and strong a few times. Then do the Kata in what you think is
normal speed.
Haja Ken Sho 破邪顕正
• In the 1950s when Kendo was allowed again, it didn’t take long
before women joined the Kendo trainings. However, according
to interviews that I read with women who started Kendo in
those early days, there was not much attention payed to the
female Kenshi. There were very few tournaments for women,
and the number of female Kenshi was extremely low.
• I could not find data on Female Iaido of the 1950s, but I’m sure
Kinomoto Sensei has told about female Iaido history?
• The rule for female to follow “Sanju no Oshie”, was still very
strong in Japan when I went there for the first time in 1977. I
saw it with my own eyes when I visited an old Kendo Sensei’s
house in Tokyo, and the way he ordered hiw wife to put the TV
on channel 1 and bring him the newspaper are forever
engrained in my brain.
• Female Budoka are now much more common in Japan, but the
fact that there are no 8 dan Kendo females, clearly shows that
it’s not 100% equally devided yet! Clearly the Kendo people can
learn something from Iaido and Jodo.
感謝
Today’s topics April 16
What are “seme” and “tame”? What role do they play in the
outcome of an exam and or a match? Does the form of these
concepts change with experience as your kendo evolves?
For instance is seme for a beginner different than for a 5th
dan?And how can you train/develop these concepts?
Fleur Museido Netherlands
Seme and Tame 攻めと溜め
• Just Kidding!
• I don’t have many Budo books in
English, but what I can recommend are
the books of Don Draeger.
• Finally the book of Suzuki about Zen
and Japanese Culture is interesting as
well. There are chapters on Zen and
Samurai and Zen and Swordmanship.
Hanami 刃並み
• The first time Iijima Sensei visited us in Amsterdam in 1980, one of the Dutch Kendoka
asked him “Sensei, how can we achieve Zen enlightenment from Kendo?”.
• I had never seen the eyes of a Japanese grow so big!
• His answer was very honest: in modern Budo there is no clear relation between Zen and
Budo anymore.
• In Edo Sensei’s book “Practical Kendo”, there is the following question: “how to attain the
state of Munen Muso”.
• Reply: Basically, if you want to reach that state, you’d have to go to a Zen Monastery, and
practice Zen there.
• However, the famous swordsman from the Meiji period (1868-1911) Yamaoka Tesshu,
did do Zazen training.
• However, in order to become strong in Kendo, he used to fight 1400 fights without
stopping (Tachikiri Geiko).
• Therefore Edo Sensei argues that Yamaoka did attain Munen Muso from hard training,
not from Zazen.
感謝
Today’s topics April 30
• After my first explanation of Tame, I had a great discussion with Elaine (6 dan Iaido, Shinkage
Ryu).
• Even though I had never discussed this item with my teachers, Elaine told me that Matsuoka
Sensei explained this as an important item in their training.
• The basics of Matsuoka Sensei’s explanation is the same, i.e. a very small moment of checking
when you launch an attack.
• However, I still have serious doubts that people below 7 dan Kendo will understand this point,
for the simple reason that you don’t have actual time in a real fight to actually “think” about
your actions.
• If your actions are not spontaneous, you’ll never win a Kendo fight, this is the real meaning of
“Mushin”.
• I promised Elaine that, when Pandemic is over, I will put her in a Kendo Bogu and let her hit one
of my senior female Kendo students, so she can experience how it feels in a fighting situation.
Hanami 刃並み
Which are, in your opinion and for your experience, the 2-3
best benefits that the prolonged practice of kendo can give to
Giulio ARK - Accademia RomanaItaly
Kendo an individual's life, in all its aspects?
Benefits of Budo武道の利点
• In 1853 Commodore Perry (USA) came to Japan with his modern war ships,
and he demanded access to Japan. The French, British and Dutch soon
followed.
• In a reaction to this pressure from overseas, the Bakufu (Tokugawa
Government) decided to rethink the national defences.
• The Bakufu opened the first Kobusho 講武所 in 1857. The Kobusho was a
Martial Arts Teaching facility, but not only meant for Samurai families.
• The first Kenjutsu teacher in Edo was Odani Seiichiro, who was chosen for
his high level of fencing, not because of his family background or Ryuha.
• He standardized the length of the Shinai to 3.8 (117 cms), and so was a
great influence on modern Kendo.
• Because of these standardizations, the traditional Ryuha were abandoned,
that’s why we don’t find Ryuha in modern Kendo. Odani Seiichiro
Reiho and Saho 礼法と作法
Taciser Sevinc Yushinkan Nederland What is the difference between reiho and saho?
Reiho and Saho 礼法と作法