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  Posted by u/Two-Sheds95 5 years ago
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Thoughts on the Pagan Gods as archetypes/platonic forms
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  r/HolySummoners Posted by u/bassackwards42 8 years ago
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Q&A with the Archangel Gabriel in a few days over in /r/ArchangelSessions.
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lead us astray, but used for pure purposes and not put on a pedestal above God,
Is this still active? I’m interested. Thank you.
these forms can be worked with and to great benefit. Any thoughts on this? I
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bassackwards42 3 points · 2 years ago
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The first fallen one before the Lucifer. Do not even say his name(s), of which there are
many(Belial,Baalzebub, Baal'al, etc.) Real big asshole. Top triad of demon kings of hell. Avoid the worthless
one like the plague. The dream means
MylesBennettDyson618 · 5 yr.that
ago he is summoning
· edited 5 yr. ago you to come to him. Don't let him in. You will
regret it, guaranteed.
It really makes sense. Especially when when you account for some of sudden
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personality shifts that certain gods undergo in various stories. You also
Johnnybones08mention
2 points ·telepathic
2 years ago communication. Is that how these beings primarily
interacted with people? I assume that they didn't actually walk amongst
so he has many names but is the same thing? also do you have experiance with him?
their worshippers in the flesh. Or did they?
bassackwards42 2 points · 2 years ago
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counting before I was spiritually aware. He is the reason I became an exorcist.
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bassackwards42 · 5 yr. ago

Most communication is done via proxy. Deities can and will puppet their
  r/ChristianMysticism • Posted by u/bassackwards42 9 years ago
minions or allow them to act as avatars or representatives. They used to Join

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Interesting. So they basically used willing servants as meat puppets. I

GregSamsa84 2 points · 2 years ago
had heard different theories but this makes sense. So when they
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created the Nephilim, they did this using their materialized angelic
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bassackwards42 commented on Who is the more powerful intercessor (esp for protection from demons and Satan),
 Holy Mother Mary or Archangel Michael?· 5• yr.
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After they created the Nephilim they were stripped of the ability to
bassackwards42 4 points · 3 years ago
fully manifest materially. Most of the greater demons/deities are
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and avatars.
hands dirty so to speak. Michael is the most powerful Holy Angel because God always gives him exactly
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spirit(s) called upon to remove. There is no upper limit
whatsoever. I have personally witnessed him forcefully remove nine demon kings at once.
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Gotcha. I wish more people knew this. Especially the ones who
insist onwith
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Archangels? deity or that. • Posted by u/xymoxinfused
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bassackwards42 2 points · 3 years ago
Someone with your relationship with Belial would have serious problems communicating with Holy Angels
of any variety. If he didn't punish you I would be seriously surprised. Even if you did you would probably
be disappointed with what they would be willing to do for you.
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xymoxinfused OP 2 points · 3 years ago
Thank you for your insight. What about certain occultists that claim they have successful workings with
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bassackwards42 6 points · 3 years ago

Working with Holy Angels is an entirely different concept than working with demons or spirits. Holy
Angels don't often work with people, but when they do they give glory to God and encourage people
to a closer relationship with Him. They will protect anyone from demons and spirits regardless of
beliefs. Working with demons is not compatible with true Holy Angel work, but doesn't necessarily
bar the individual from interaction with them. It does change the way they will interact with you
though. Those that claim to do both equally don't. They are usually dealing exclusively with demons.
Demons spend more time pretending to be Holy to those unable to distinguish the difference(or
care to) than as themselves. To communicate with the Archangels and other Holy Angels requires
extensive skills in binding, banishing, and exorcising demons. You pretty much can't communicate
regularly with Holy Angels without attracting even more attention from demons. I wouldn't
recommend anyone try either without many years of heavy occult study and practice under a
knowledgeable teacher. And even then I probably wouldn't recommend either.
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bassackwards42 commented on Working with archangels etc

 • r/occult • Posted by u/witchyseth

witchyseth OP 3 points · 5 years ago · edited 5 years ago

well, I simply don’t believe in your god as the creator of the universe. and sorry but I don’t like christians
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bassackwards42 2 points · 5 years ago

Fair enough, but don't judge God by the lunatics that claim to follow Him. I am embarrassed to no end
by organized Christianity and its rich history of genocide in the name of a God who forbids murder. I
wasn't actually recommending you worship Him anyways. I just wanted to highlight the fact that the
Archangels will interact with you in a manner that is proportional to your views and beliefs regarding
Him.
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witchyseth OP 3 points · 5 years ago
sorry if I was a bit sarcastic, I was just afraid you were trying to convert me. thanks anyway for your
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bassackwards42 3 points · 5 years ago

It's hard being a Christian occutist. We get shit on from both sides.
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bassackwards42 commented on Thoughts on the Pagan Gods as archetypes/platonic forms • r/ChristianOccultism

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Hyurik 6 points · 5 years ago

This is an amazing response, Bass. Thanks. I'm admittedly new to this area of esoteric study but find itsee
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bassackwards42 3 points · 5 years ago

Honestly, there aren't any...
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MylesBennettDyson618 3 points · 5 years ago · edited 5 years ago

Interesting. So they basically used willing servants as meat puppets. I had heard different theories butsee
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bassackwards42 3 points · 5 years ago

After they created the Nephilim they were stripped of the ability to fully manifest materially. Most of the
greater demons/deities are chained in the abyss and perform all of their activities by bilocation or using
their minions as proxies and avatars.
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bassackwards42 commented on Do some people successfully cast magic with very little, if no effort at all, for the

 first time? Even with improper steps and not understanding the theology, entity, or other important stuff? Even
intentionally mocking the deity in the ritual? • r/ChristianOccultism • Posted by u/DarthJupiter

bassackwards42 7 points · 5 years ago

Humans are more powerful than they realize. I think the perfect example to illustrate my point is chaos
magick. Chaos magick is designed to utilize spiritual "cheat codes" to get results. Modulation of belief, will,
intent, faith at will within an unrestricted belief paradigm flexible enough to incorporate any and all belief
systems to the point of even incorporating temporary imagined beliefs. The obvious downfall of this
system is it lack of controls and restrictions and it denies objective truth. Chaos mages never go through
any rigorous training and never learn the true nature of spiritual reality. Mysticism and magick are about
controlling and harnessing the powers of belief, will, intent, and faith in a comprehensive manner to
achieve certain specific results in accordance with objective spiritual reality. If mysticism/magick were a
video game, chaos magick would be a game shark. Instead of learning how to play the game and beating
it straight up they use cheat codes to get infinite lives and use warp tunnels and achieve the same results
as playing it straight up without developing the skills required to beat the game properly. Beginners are
much more dangerous than they realize because of their lack of knowledge and experience. Their results
often exceed their abilities and they get in over their heads.
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bassackwards42 commented on Book on Angels

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bassackwards42 2 points · 5 years ago

There are no good books on Angels. As one who works with Angels I have found that any book about
Angels or demons are full of mistakes, errors, and total fictions. They are all mostly useless. Even the
Goetia has plenty of bullshit, but it is probably the best, even though the bar is not very high.
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bassackwards42 commented on What's your reason for not believing in Christianity? • r/occult • Posted by
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bassackwards42 6 points · 5 years ago

Sorry, I have to chime in. As an expert channeler of Archangels and amateur exorcist of demons I am a
Christian that believes in a pan-Abrahamic paradigm where Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, are different
denominations of the same faith. God has ensured that all religions are as equally false as they are true in
order to prevent any religion from knowing the entire Truth. No one person alive can truly claim to know
the Face of God or what He intends for His creation. He does not play favorites with organized religions.
They all inevitably fall from His grace and become apostate. His true believers are scattered amongst these
organized religions, and are completely outnumbered by those wretched judgmental hypocrites playing
church like a wheat field full of tares. I personally can't stand most Christians(or at least some of the more
vocal ones). I was an atheist back in my childhood/teen years and I used to persecute Christians and
logically destroy their belief systems and shake their faith for fun. I nearly turned a Jehovah's Witness over
the course of six months before he snapped and called me the devil and turned his back on me. I railed
against Christianity and all organized religions because deep down I knew that they were infected with a
cancerous evil. Then I had an event that changed my life. God called me and I turned completely inside out
into a true believer. Two decades of intense spiritual training and combat later, I am an instrument of
God's Will. A soldier in His army. The Archangels and/or Seraphim give me a mission, or instructions, and I
execute my orders with zeal. I have standing orders to search for people suffering from demonic attack
and assist them in removing the entity and further protecting them from demonic threats. They care
about all of you pagans, satanists, magickal practitioners, anti-Christians, lost souls, demon puppets, etc.
If summoned they find it hard to interact with those individuals with conflicting or hostile belief systems,
but they still hope that you will find your way back to God. Michael will come and save you from demonic
attack no matter what you believe or even if you hate God for some reason.(good luck trying to get him to
stop and talk to you) God wills me to save victims of demonic attack so that is what I do and I try and
practice unconditional love for my fellow man. I don't judge you and preach at you or act hostile in any
way. That is what a true Christian like me does.
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bassackwards42 commented on When it comes to angelic invocation how can I become adept in contacting the arch
 angels? • r/occult • Posted by u/Master_Therion93

bassackwards42 3 points · 5 years ago

I feel I must warn you that working with Archangels puts you on the radar of every king of hell and they
will never stop trying to infiltrate your activities and mislead you and/or harass or even oppress you and
your loved ones. The more powerful Angels you interact with attracts equally powerful demons. If you are
not prepared to spend the rest of your days in exorcist training mode then you might want to rethink your
plans. It takes an experienced practitioner to tell the difference between Michael's personality and Belial
pretending to be Michael. The same goes for Sammael impersonating the Virgin Mary or "Chamuel". Most
Angel workers actually spend most of their time with demons and they are completely oblivious to it. You
must challenge and confirm whether an Angel is Holy or fallen just as it is written in the bible and every
Holy Angel will tell you the same thing and will never take offense to being challenged. You should spend
a few years working with guardian Angels and work your way up to the Archs. By that time you should be
able to bind and banish a greater demon or half-blood in your sleep.
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ThriceGreatVenus 2 points · 5 years ago
How do I reach the guardian angels and begin working within those parameters?

bassackwards42 4 points · 5 years ago

Well you should have a Holy guardian assigned to you. Rarely more than one though, so thoroughly
interrogate any extra "guardians" , "spirit guides", and anything claiming to be a dead human(they
are not) that you come across. Becoming an expert channeller would be first on the list, followed by
verbally invoking spiritual authority to command and contain until permissions are revoked.
Obtaining their true names is just as important as permissions with various forms of energy or astral
combat. I had a good fifteen to sixteen years heavy experience before I did my first Archangel. You
might consider that overkill, but that allowed me to rapidly progress to the point where I could bind
and banish multiple greater demons on the fly simultaneously without breaking the group channel.
If only I could squeeze plate spinning and juggling chainsaws in there as well...
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bassackwards42 commented on Could use some assistance...

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bassackwards42 3 points · 5 years ago

You must look at things from the demon's point of view. If you want to farm a large volume of human
cattle to feed and expand your armies you must find out how to do it in a way that won't raise suspicion
into your activities and simultaneously break their will to fight free. So naturally you would target
individuals who are already mentally challenged or damaged or weak willed enough to be pushed into
madness. You train your horde of minions to specialize in mimicking or causing mental illnesses because
nobody believes the crazy person ranting about the demons in their head and a doctor's diagnosis will
prevent any possibility of an ordained exorcist from attempting to remove them. Demon's drain their
victim's energy and twist their minds until they are next to nothing. This is why exorcisms are considered
to be a spiritual healing practice for the body, spirit, and mind. There are spirits of deafness, blindness,
mute, dumb, madness, seizures, and they even go so far as to pretend to be a personality alter of one
suffering from multiple personality disorder. It is no coincidence that most mentally ill people will do or
say so many demonic sounding things. Demons know everyone's weaknesses and exploit them
mercilessly. And don't even get me started on addiction! There is a reason that twelve step programs are
spiritual faith based rituals that all require you to call upon your "higher power" for forgiveness and
spiritual healing.
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bassackwards42 commented on Do we not need a ritual to summon demons?

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bassackwards42 7 points · 5 years ago

People tend to think that they can summon demons when in fact demons summon you. A demon will
already know everything about you including natural spiritual gifts, weaknesses, fears, dreams, etc. and it
will put the initial idea of summoning demons into your mind and convince you that it was your own idea.
Once the demon has manipulated you into studying demon summoning rituals it will guide you to its
name and/or sigil and you will feel drawn to it and "decide" to summon that particular demon. From then
on they will guide you in your efforts to design and execute a summoning ritual full of flaws, weaknesses,
and deliberate misinformation that will give the demon full access/permission to your mind, body, soul,
and your home. It feeds off of you and uses your own energy to perform whatever magickal operations
you desire in order to put you in its debt. In return the demon will usually ask for you to advertise your
experiences on a public forum(like Reddit) in order for it to recruit new cattle. They will go out of their way
to convince you that the best way to negotiate with demons is to treat them like respected friends that you
enter into symbiotic relationships with. This basically guarantees that you will become its puppet while
maintaining the illusion for your ego that you are the one in control.

The only way you can get the best of a demon is to bind it with the appropriate names of power and
rituals designed to contain and neutralize it, and utilize your God given spiritual authority over it to force it
to obey your commands. A demon will never truly respect you unless you deal with it from a position of
power. It is not your friend. A demon considers humans cattle for them to feed off of as well as meat suit
puppets for them to wear in order to experience physical sensations and manipulate others to their will.
Demons are older than humans by an order of magnitude far greater than our short limited life spans can
allow and they have the accumulated wisdom and knowledge that allowed them to reign as gods, tricking
humanity into worshiping them, and farming humans like cattle to feed off of their souls. The vast
majority of humans are of no threat to a demon. But those few experienced exorcists who are well trained
in spiritual warfare are capable of subjugating these demons and freeing the minds of their victims from
the spiritual prisons that have been forced upon them by demonic lies and manipulation. Demons only
respect power. If you do not have the power and knowledge to control a demon then you should not
summon one in the first place.

If you establish contact with a demon your connection to it allows you to summon it at any time simply by
verbally calling it by name and commanding it to appear. With a more powerful connection to the demon
you can summon it simply by thinking about it. However, the demon can summon your attention by
simple thought as well. They communicate telepathically and they primarily use this power to subtly
impose their thought patterns over yours and manipulate you to their will without you noticing. You
believe that those thoughts are your thoughts and its emotions are your emotions. This is how the early
stages of demonic possession occurs. Those that knowingly and willingly bond with demons, or marry
them, become hybrid beings that share their minds and act as one single entity. Demons do not require
any kind of permission to claim a human host. They have tacit permission so long as the host is unaware
of the demons influence or the host is not actively resisting the demon's influence. They do not require
permission, but if they do have it they become much more powerful. In order to revoke a demon's
permission to claim a host, said host must verbally state permission is revoked. This weakens their
connection/attachment to the host.

A greater demon has an army of evil minion spirits under its banner and they operate in gangs working in
tandem with each other in a militaristic fashion. There is a wide array of dark spirits with specialized
functions such as spies/handlers, gate keepers, enforcers, spirits of divination, spirits of deafness or
muteness, dumb spirits, spirit guides, ascended masters, "past life" con artists, elementals, Fey spirits,
shades, spirits of hate and depression, spirits of madness, succubi/incubi, avatars, half-blood nephalim,
false guardians, "pit bosses", astral parasites, legion, and a million others. Each greater demon/demon
king has hordes of dark spirits under their respective banners and they compete against each other and
fight for territory/cattle and cultivate magickal practitioners to generate greater energy reserves. Some
demon kings specialize on Christians, Muslims, Jews, and all the pagan deities, witches and wiccans, and
they are always engaging in power plays and dirty politics with each other, forming alliances and back
stabbing, fighting to be the alpha top dog/the king of hell/the Lucifer.

When dealing with demons it is always a good idea to have some Angelic backup. I always summon the
Archangels and work with them and follow their guidance whenever demons start manifesting themselves
into my life. An exorcist would be considerably weak without Angelic assistance. They help even out the
numbers of evil spirits arrayed against you so you are not overwhelmed by the horde. And there is no
better source of learning spiritual warfare and exorcism methodology than hearing it from Michael
himself. Learning how to call upon your guardian Angel is very important as well. You have to learn how to
work with Angels if you want to learn about demons. Working with Angels attracts the attention of greater
demons who try to interfere with Angel communication and they also impersonate Holy Angels in order to
mislead and confuse any humans attempting to learn how to work with Angels. By allying myself with Holy
Angels the demons become more antagonistic towards me because I become a viable threat to them. One
king of hell in particular(the first-fallen one) claimed that he would give me anything that I desired if I
would bend my knee to him and threatened me with everlasting torment should I refuse him. He made
offers to me and my associates for years. He managed to turn them to the dark side and devastated my
group of practitioners. I lost family and lifelong friends because of his constant manipulation over the
years. He doesn't make any offers to me anymore. He knows where I stand.

Let me lay it all down for you here. You start researching demonology and you automatically have a few
demons keeping an eye on you. The more progress you make studying demons the more attention from
demons you draw to yourself until one decides to claim you. You will not know it at first. It starts subtly.
They have a playbook full of cons and disinformation and tricks to use against you. There is basically two
paths you can take. The LHP way is where you suck up to the demons and play their game, and you end
up infested with dark spirits and you become a demoniac. All you think about is yourself and what power
you can gain from working with demons. The RHP way is where you stand up and resist demons and help
others who are plagued with demonic obsession/oppression. You rely upon God and His Holy Angels to
help you become an exorcist and utilize your divine authority to command, bind, rebuke, and banish
demons. If your goal in life is to engage in demonolatry or to become an exorcist then go ahead and study
about demons. Fun Fact: Most source materials regarding demonology are full of incorrect information. To
truly study demonology you would need to study actual demons and their behavior. Reading about
demonology actually does you a disservice due to its inaccuracies. Personally, I would recommend that
you avoid demonology all together and find something else worth your time to study.
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