Carnalitas Ek2 Compatibility-0.1.0

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Carnalitas EK2 Compatibility

This is a Carnalitas compatibility patch for Elder Kings 2. It reconciles changes to the
character window and other game files made by these two mods. It also adds Elder
Scrolls lore-based slavery doctrines, similar to the Carnalitas Historical Slavery
Doctrines mod. It has been tested with CK3 1.8.1, EK2 0.11.2a, and Carnalitas 1.7.

Note that since Carnalitas itself has issues with CK3 1.8.*, it is strongly recommended
to use the GUK Fix Carnalitas compatibility patch as well.

Load order:

Elder Kinds 2
Carnalitas
GUK Fix Carnalitas
Carnalitas EK2 Compatibility
(other mods based on Carnalitas)

Load order with Carnalitas Slavery Reimagined:

Elder Kinds 2
Carnalitas
GUK Fix Carnalitas
Carnalitas EK2 Compatibility
Carnalitas Slavery Reimagined
CSR EK2 Compatibility

Compatibility Fixes
Character Window

All changes to the character window made by Carnalitas and EK2 have been
reconciled, so that all additional interface elements introduced by both are present.
Additional EK2 interface elements such as arcana, magicka, etc., as well as Carnalitas
changes such as slaves at the bottom of the Relations tab, are all properly shown.

Interactions and Events

All changes to courtier and guest management, as well as birth and pregnancy events
made by Carnalitas and EK2 have been reconciled. The EK2 files have been taken as
base, and Carnalitas changes have been applied on them. The main effects are the
following (assuming Carnalitas was previously later than EK2 in the load order):

The EK2 cultural parameter foreign_guest_hostility of Xenophobic cultures is


properly taken into account when scoring guests.
EK2 Argonian hatchlings and Birthsigns are properly handled or added on birth.
EK2 Argonians laying eggs is properly handled during pregnancy.
References to vanilla faiths present in the original Carnalitas no longer fill the
logs with error messages.

Lore-based Slavery Doctrines


This mod introduces a Elder Scrolls Lore game rules setting for Carnalitas slavery
doctrines, and makes it the default. If this setting is active, all faiths have accurate
doctrines for Righteous Faith Slavery and Hostile Faith Slavery based on Elder Scrolls
lore research. The effect is similar to using the Carnalitas Historical Slavery Doctrines
mod (available as a separate Carnalitas download) in vanilla.
Although there is already Elder Kings Slavery Doctrines, I don’t recommend using it,
since it’s mostly (badly) copy-pasted from Carnalitas Historical Slavery Doctrines, no
sources are cited, comments don’t correspond to the code, and some of the decisions
taken are dubious. Still, if you would like to use it, just place it after this mod in the
load order.

Overview

The timeline of the EK2 mod starts in 2E 440 or 2E 450. This is well after slavery was
initially abolished by the Alessian Slave Rebellion, but before it was finally outlawed
in all imperial lands, which took place after the seventh century of the Second Era
(see Outlawing of slavery). I take this to mean that slavery is sufficiently widespread
for Aedric religions to frown upon it, but not fully criminalize it, and for Aurbic and
especially Daedric religions to be even more lenient, especially towards Hostile Faith
Slavery.

Righteous Faith Slavery

The baseline for Righteous Faith Slavery depending on religious family is as follows:

Aedric: criminal
Aurbic: shunned
Daedric: shunned

This is modified by the special doctrine Worship of Molag Bal, since Molag Bal is the
Daedric Prince of enslavement. If it’s allowed or pantheon, Righteous Faith Slavery is
accepted, and if it’s shunned or criminal Righteous Faith Slavery is shunned or
criminal as well. The following religions or faiths are affected by this:

Thousand Cults, Vinedusk Exemptions: shunned (although Aedric)


Necromantic: accepted (although Aurbic)
Khajiiti, Dwemeri, Stone, Vampiric: criminal (although Aurbic)
Molag Bal, Reach, Azurite: accepted (although Daedric)
Velothi, Meridia: criminal (although Daedric)

Hostile Faith Slavery

The baseline for Hostile Faith Slavery depending on religious family is as follows:

Aedric: shunned
Aurbic: shunned
Daedric: accepted

There are the following exceptions to the above:

Hostile Faith Slavery is accepted in Aldmeri, Trinimac, and Yoku religions


(although Aedric):

Altmer were still said to have humanoid slaves during the seventh
century of the Second Era (Altmer Society)

Tinimac is the Daedric Prince Malacath, so similar attitude to slavery

Slavery was widespread in Yokuda, and continues today in some


places in Hammerfell. (reddit)

Hostile Faith Slavery is criminal in Nedic-Nordic and Marukhati religions


(although Aedric). These religions descend from the one founded by Alessia in
which slavery was outlawed (Alessia’s_Reign)

Hostile Faith Slavery is accepted in Hist, Khajiiti, and Dwemeri religions


(although Aurbic):
However, under the effects of the Mad Hist, the Xit-Xaht tribe
enslaved many of their own species to rebuild the Ruins of
Mazzatun. Argonian mothers would sometimes sell their own
children into slavery. (Slavery in Black Marsh)

Khajits, have it since ancient times and still have, sell their own
kind to other races. (reddit)

Those who agreed became the savage Falmer, soon becoming


slaves to the Dwemer. (Slavery in Skyrim)

In addition, Hostile Faith Slavery is never less accepted than Righteous Faith Slavery,
so if the latter is accepted due to the special doctrine Worship of Molag Bal, the
former is accepted as well.

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