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gtd2000 · Registered
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#41 · Sep 8, 2012
bopbo said: "

There is another method on another forum (mentioned on page
2 ) it is the last post open the zipped file for pictures. It looks
simpler.
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Brian
I used the BCMFIX method shown in the zipped file that

you mention as far as I'm aware.
Intermittent No Start No Crank SolutionsStarting with a pen!,

IPS Module Bypass Fix
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#42 · Sep 8, 2012
Well it was this connector (AKA BCM-IF IPM) pointed to

by the screw driver that was not fully inserted.
Everything is back to normal now.
Something strange though - the van will start and run with
a simple spare metal key and no security sytem
keyfob....:noidea:

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#43 · Sep 9, 2012
gtd2000 said: "

Well it was this connector (AKA BCM-IF IPM) pointed to by the
screw driver that was not fully inserted.
Image snipped-
Something strange though - the van will start and run with a
simple spare metal key and no security sytem
keyfob....:noidea:
2007 Entourage has NO transponder in the key
(Just thought I'd throw that out there as I've been trying to
confirm if it does or not as I'm planning on installing a
remote starter soon- and have read conflicting info.
If anyone is wanting to check to see if key has

transponder -
Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Ace Hardware key cutting
machines check for such.)
"Keyfob" = If you lock the car with the FOB, it actives the
anti-theft. Once unlocked (via the fob) you do not not
have to keep the fob in close proximity to the car.
Try this:
Roll down window (and or get in car with window up)
Lock with fob
Open door. (reach in, or from drivers seat open)
Alarm / horn lights should flash.
Car should NOT start.
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#44 · Sep 9, 2012
gtd2000 said: "

I used the BCMFIX method shown in the zipped file that you
mention as far as I'm aware.
Pics /contents of the zip file would be a asset.
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#45 · Sep 9, 2012
gtd2000 said: "

Well I've put everything back together - van starts OK but now
I have the following problems...
1. No rev counter
2. No central locking
3. Doors not power open/closing
4. Fuel gauge not working (low gas light illuminated) but
tank is full as of 25 miles ago low fuel warning light
illuminated
5. EBrake warning light illuminated
6. Headlight main beam not working
7. Indicators/Hazards not working (makes clicking sound
though)
8. Wipers & washers not working
Might be more things not working that I've not listed
though...
I'm assuming I've blown a fuse somewhere - all the ones in the
module looked OK to me though...?
To clarify/ help someone running a search later on:

Above problems caused by BCM-IPM not being fully
inserted. (Near white label D09
gtd2000 said: "

Well it was this connector (AKA BCM-IF IPM) pointed to by the
screw driver that was not fully inserted.
Something strange though - the van will start and run with a
simple spare metal key and no security sytem
keyfob....:noidea:
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#46 · Sep 9, 2012 (Edited)
bopbo said: "

There is another method on another forum (mentioned on page
2 ) it is the last post open the zipped file for pictures. It looks
simpler.
Intermittent Starting? - MyHyundaiForums.com
Brian
Are you talking about post #7?
MyHyundaiForums.com - View Single Post - Intermittent

Starting?
When referring to a particular post - mention the number

of the post /copy and paste link instead of saying it's
the last post on a particular page.
(Such is doubly important it there are several versions of

something , or the thread is huge!)
Why? Number of posts displayed VARIES before a

"page break" occurs.
If you're not logged in/ Not a member of a certain site/-

page breaks generally occur at say 10 posts per page.
If you are a "member" of the referenced board.... Default
might be set @ 20 posts per page break..... AND you have
the option to change that to 40 posts before a break
occurs if you edit your account.
Why linking to post / stating what number post makes

a difference.
As a example- on this board before I logged in this thread

was showing going on (5) pages.
After I logged in it showing (2) pages... So mention the

post number, instead of "page".
(I have the number of posts to display per page set @ 40,

so @45 posts this thread is barely on page (2)
For someone having posts set @ 20, they would be on

page (3).
PS: Linking to a particular post is pretty easy. Right click

on the number of the post, copy and paste.
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#47 · Sep 9, 2012
WeAreNotAlon said: "

Pics /contents of the zip file would be a asset.
I'll upload them from my other pc
Off topic do you find these KIA-Forums are always very

slow to load a page - the header comes up then there's a
long delay then the page loads? I've always found that on
any machine I'm using....?

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#48 · Sep 9, 2012

Pics /contents of the zip file would be a asset. .

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#49 · Sep 9, 2012

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#50 · Sep 9, 2012
gtd2000 said: "

I'll upload them from my other pc
Off topic do you find these KIA-Forums are always very slow

to load a page - the header comes up then there's a long delay
then the page loads? I've always found that on any machine
I'm using....?
RE: Off topic do you find these KIA-Forums are always

very slow to load a page - the header comes up then
there's a long delay then the page loads?
There is a very noticeable delay for me.

What type of ISP connection affects how long.
(On ATM-DSL page loads (of any webpage) were pretty
quick.
On IP-DSL (AT&T Unverse, copper last mile to DSLAM -
with a crappy- AT&T branded and neutered Motorola
NVG-510 modem) on any-webpage on the net there is a
noticeable delay.)
Beyond connection type how much a delay would

depend on what browser you're using, if you have
scripting turned off.
The more scripting stuff you turn off, should equate into
faster page loads.
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#51 · Sep 9, 2012 (Edited)
gtd2000 said: "
You said when you by-passed anti-theft relay car would

crank when turned to ON position?
Page SD360-1 clearly shows "With" and Without". Are

you sure you jumpered pin BEC-IM 21 to BEC-IF pin 10
*properly?
Pin 21 comes off ignition switch off the STARTER leg and

it should only be getting power when in the crank/start
position.
* I'm thinking the pics that show which pins to jumper are
looking at the terminal block from a certain direction, and
maybe you transposed them?
gtd2000 said: "
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#52 · Sep 9, 2012

You said when you by-passed anti-theft relay car would crank
when turned to ON position?
Page SD360-1 clearly shows "With" and Without". Are you

sure you jumpered pin BEC-IM 21 to BEC-IF pin 10 *properly?
Pin 21 comes off ignition switch off the STARTER leg and it

should only be getting Click
powertowhen in the crank/start position.
expand...
When I had the IPS in bits, it appeared to me that the

orientation of the pins could not be from the block - only
from the connectors that plug into the blocks.
As far as I could tell I was indeed getting the correct pins

"jumpered" - it should be possible to tell from the photos
of the jumper wire I suspect?
I did the mirror image type arrangement to figure out the

correct (I assume) pins and even went as far as to mark
them with a pen to avoid confusion.
As soon as I turned the key to the ON position the starter

motor turned over and remained turning over....until I
turned the key off.

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#53 · Sep 9, 2012
I should have possibly tried to do the jumper wire from the

connector but there were too many similarly coloured
wires to even contemplate joining the orange to the light
blue wire without being able to disassemble the
connector block to make sure I had the correct wires.
Perhaps somebody that has undertaken this task can

verify how they achieved the jumper method - was it
inside the IPS or across the plug in connectors after
taking them apart or simply exposing some of the wire in
the harness?
There's not a great deal of room under the dash for

fiddling around with small gauge wires - I'm not that big @
6ft and 205lbs but it was pretty tight just getting that
bloody IPS unit out.....

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#54 · Sep 10, 2012
gtd2000 said: "

I should have possibly tried to do the jumper wire from the
connector but there were too many similarly coloured wires to
even contemplate joining the orange to the light blue wire
without being able to disassemble the connector block to
make sure I had the correct wires.
Perhaps somebody that has undertaken this task can verify

how they achieved the Click
jumper
to method
expand...- was it inside the IPS
or across the plug in connectors after taking them apart or
Various thoughts:
For giggles, confirm the page SD360-1 we are working
from is correct. Log into Kia/ Hyundai tech /find page in
service manual and confirm the image is correct.
IPM = I'm thinking on cars without anti-theft circuit sold in

different countries are bridged internally. / bridged in
wiring harness itself.
On where to jumper - Jumping via wiring loom is most

likely how it is done.
(Strange though , from pic bridge appears to be internal.)
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#41 · Sep 8, 2012

bopbo said: "

I used the BCMFIX method shown in the zipped file that

Intermittent No Start No Crank SolutionsStarting with a pen!,

#42 · Sep 8, 2012

Well it was this connector (AKA BCM-IF IPM) pointed to

Everything is back to normal now.

Intermittent No Start No Crank SolutionsStarting with a pen!,

#43 · Sep 9, 2012

gtd2000 said: "

Everything is back to normal now.

2007 Entourage has NO transponder in the key

If anyone is wanting to check to see if key has

#44 · Sep 9, 2012

gtd2000 said: "

Pics /contents of the zip file would be a asset.

#45 · Sep 9, 2012

gtd2000 said: "

To clarify/ help someone running a search later on:

gtd2000 said: "

Everything is back to normal now.

#46 · Sep 9, 2012 (Edited)

bopbo said: "

Are you talking about post #7?

MyHyundaiForums.com - View Single Post - Intermittent

When referring to a particular post - mention the number

(Such is doubly important it there are several versions of

Why? Number of posts displayed VARIES before a

If you're not logged in/ Not a member of a certain site/-

Why linking to post / stating what number post makes

As a example- on this board before I logged in this thread

After I logged in it showing (2) pages... So mention the

(I have the number of posts to display per page set @ 40,

For someone having posts set @ 20, they would be on

PS: Linking to a particular post is pretty easy. Right click

Need to Get into Shape?

#47 · Sep 9, 2012

WeAreNotAlon said: "

I'll upload them from my other pc

Oﬀ topic do you find these KIA-Forums are always very

Intermittent No Start No Crank SolutionsStarting with a pen!,

#48 · Sep 9, 2012

WeAreNotAlon said: "

Intermittent No Start No Crank SolutionsStarting with a pen!,

#49 · Sep 9, 2012

Intermittent No Start No Crank SolutionsStarting with a pen!,

#50 · Sep 9, 2012

gtd2000 said: "

Oﬀ topic do you find these KIA-Forums are always very slow

RE: Oﬀ topic do you find these KIA-Forums are always

There is a very noticeable delay for me.

Beyond connection type how much a delay would

#51 · Sep 9, 2012 (Edited)

gtd2000 said: "

You said when you by-passed anti-theft relay car would

Page SD360-1 clearly shows "With" and Without". Are

Pin 21 comes oﬀ ignition switch oﬀ the STARTER leg and

gtd2000 said: "

#52 · Sep 9, 2012

WeAreNotAlon said: "