Jerry Pippin April 2006 Interview with Mr.

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Transcription by Jane Swartley, Producer, Jerry Pippin Productions Jerry Pippin Productions Jr : o tn h mi lo te o ae eeti te i d sr a d e e er We e u i te d e fh M h v D sr n h h h eet n w y r d , g , r meeting with a person h ,e l w cn o tl in me n w cn g e l o w ora y e a n te h a a d e a i a o f l ls tv t b cgo n a o t i b to f d u w y e e a i t tima . a Ia ak ru d b u h m,u yuli o t h w tln o h ln r kg s n C n cl l you o o pee t b k o n s S c t a rMrX d yu rfro e n w a er M n o . ? e M . : h t w a yu ( uk s rX Ta h to .c cl ) s h e. Jerry: Okay, welcome to the show, by the way. Mr. X: Thank you. Jerry: What can you tell us, first of all, about your background? Mr. X: Well, I worked at a southern California aerospace company for 11 years. Jerry: While you worked there, at one time or another, you were a file clerk? Mr. X: Well, I was on a project that wasfiling documents. . Jerry: And so you had some sort of clearance, yourself? Mr. X: Yes I did. Jerry: And are you still in that business? Or can you say? M . : oI n t rX N ,m o. Jr : k yyu eno o ti e e o ? er O a,o i smeh g l n w y r t n s Mr. X: Yeah, I actually left there.. Jerry: So you actually feel that you can talk about this to a certain extent. Mr. X: Yeah. Jr :Wh d n yu e o r u i c eat. o k o , e e i o dancing er y y o o tl u a d ne xc y yu n w w k d f t l e l r n around here. e e dt tl h m eat w a w tln a o t Wh t w n e o e te xc y h t e e a i b u. a l l r kg happened there? Mr. X: Okay, I was in a department that produced documents of some sort for the Government. rp sla d h t po oa n w a-not. Specification documents for spacecraft and s

satellites. And so we were all cleared and we were asked to volunteer for a project. We were asked if any of us wanted to work on a project for 6 or 8 months, and so I si e h le o a d o 5o u vl tee . o rclc o ,w of us a ,Y a I i t, n 4 r f s o ne rd T my eoet n to d dk u l i made it. Jerry: So what did they do, after you volunteered, you had some sort of test or something? Mr. X: No, there was no test to it, they just . Jr : ae te cme o n w o a g i t d i a d tno e l v g h r er L trh y a d w , h w s o g o ot n ii l de i w ee y n vv an you were workingat that workplace and going someplace else? . Mr. X: Yes. In near proximity though, just into another building. Jerry: Okay. Mr. X: And then I worked 8 10 hours a day, inside a vaulted building, filing Government documents. Jerry: Now, when you a,a a l d ud g isi a aepo a l sy vu e b ii , t le sf, rb by t ln k . M . : e .t eat le h t rX Y p Is xc yi ta. l k Jerry: When you were in there, did you have any idea about what you were going to be doing before you got there? Mr. X: No. Jerry: What was your reaction when you found out what you WERE doing? M . : hI a trl . w shi d b cue b e i o h my ni le n I rX O ,w shi d I a trl , ea s I e n n ti l e l e d t s e tei a d r f a as n wtee a o ti moe l y k e h r w s smeh g r. w n Jerry: Now, this dealt with Roswell. Mr. X: Well it dealt with not only that, but just Government documents in general, a o t B sU Os hi s n rp r b u E E, F i t g a d e ot . g n s Jerry: So from the first day or so, you were involved with actually this far-out stuff? Mr. X: Uh-huh and pictures . Jerry: Was it all just documents you saw or did you se iue e u a ilb e p trs tl s lt i c l te t about it.

Mr. X: There were a lot of photographs.... there were a lot of sealed envelopes, which was too bad for me, but . Jr :n h sa d ne p s w a d yu od yu k n t ta te w r er I te e l e vl e h t i o d ,i o ma e oe h th y ee y e o d d there or something or just put them away? Mr. X: We got a big bag every day. A bag of work. The security man brought a bag o w r i H cu n ee l k tt H do p dt f then he locked the door. f okn e o l vn o a i e rp e iof . dt o . ; A d e ee ln u o nilro We o l t to one another. And we n w w r a i o r w l e o m. cu n alk l t t dt were to open these bags up and file, take out the documents and look at them, and depending on what they were, we had special instructions and it was different every day. It was different every day. We had different stuff every day. And it was like, w d tiw r b t e i tl a o tt . e i h ok u w d n a b u i d s dt k Jerry: There were how many people in this room with you? Mr. X: There was nobody in my room. Jerry: Okay, always by yourself. Mr. X: Yeah, because it was like this stuff was highly classified and . Jerry: And when you got coffee break or a lunch break, did you go out with the others? M . : o h d o a te rn d s a d s. o cu n l v. h y ru h rX Y u a t cl h f t ek n ak Y u o l e e Te bo g t l o dta stuff in for you. Jerry: You did not get to leave there at all. Mr. X: No, they brought stuff in. They had restrooms, they fed us, they did everything for us. Jerry: Did they search you every day to find out if you were taking things out? Mr. X: Most every day, but they told us every day, on a daily basis, that security was very important. Jerry: And you looked at this material and what was the goal? I mean, why did they hire you to do this? Mr. X: Well we were filing and dividing stuff up into categories. Jerry: Do you remember the categories? Mr. X: Some days, it was divisions of militaries. Some days it was by classification. Sometimes it was, take the documents, take the photos, take all the sealed stuff,

take all theyou know, sometimes we had NORAD, and just all kinds of stuff. It . depended on the assignment for that day. Sometimes you got a bag of video csets ast e Jr :f g th cr cl yu i w li a d h d s w su o s f iw sn er II e ti or t,o d n a n n te ek a fl f t f t a i y s e y dt k l u, a sack or something you picked up? Mr. X: No, we came to work and once we were all there, or once I was there for me, I o l cl o n n syk y h r,a d h y bi a a u ,rpt f w u a d w a d a,O a I ee n te r g b g p do iof d l m d n , and the guard would leave the room and close the door. Jerry: Would hewas it a slot that came through the door or did he actually come . inside and leave it? Mr. X: He came inside. Yeah. It was a huge canvas bag Jerry: Okay, I was just trying to just get an overall picture of this. Mr. X: It was like someone dropping off their laundry and taking off. Jerry: Was the bag sealed? Mr. X: It had a combination lock on it. Jerry: And you knew the combination. Mr. X: Yep. Jerry: And the guard did not. Mr. X: The guard did not. Not to my recollection. Jr : ro asme e i er O yu su h d n . y dt M . : e i o e i. rX H d n p nt dt . Jerry: Rg t Ta w u b teo i lh g . i . h t o l e h l c ti h d ga n Mr. X: He brought it to me closed and when I returned it, it was empty and . Jerry: Do you remember the first thing that just knocked your socks off, that you saw? Mr. X: Photographs. Jerry: What was that?

Mr. X: Photographs. I saw several of alien crafts leaving and entering the water, with no sweat. Jerry: Entering and leaving where? Mr. X: The water. Jerry: Coming out of the water. Mr. X: Uh-Huh. Jerry: So all the things we hear about underwater craft and these things are true? Mr. X: I think so. Well, I saw it with my own eyes, I mean people ask me if I believe it.. Jerry: Were these pictures taken byhow did they get the pictures? . Mr. X: Well they were markedI o k o w o o k . n n w h to them, probably the military. d t There were some marked Air Force, some Navy, some NORAD, some NASA, all k d o s f I a ,h s p rcl p trsIa tl o w a te w r i s ft f me n tee at u r i ue,cn e yu h th y ee n u. i a c t l marked as or who took them. Jerry: What did they look like, I mean the craft? Mr. X: Just black and white disc shapes, not a real close-up picture, maybe on an 8 x 10, maybe the ship was a couple of inches across, which is, I guess pretty good quality, but it looked just like plai n Jerry: Did you see any documents that ever explained where these craft were cmi u f m te ca ,rw trf m? o n p r h oe no aer g o o Mr. X: Not to my recollection. I know that it said a few of these pictures were from the Hawaii area. Jerry: So that was your first thing that you saw. Mr. X: That was the first major thing that caught my eye. I mean, there was a lot of boring stuff in this stuff. Jerry: So most of it probably was more or less technical stuff, it was boring and d n h v a o t d wt a y i , sa a yu ee o cre . i ae l o o i nt n a fr s o w r cnen d dt t h hg Mr. X: Stuff to do witha lot of stuff to do with threat to us, perceived. . Jerry: A perceived threat.

Mr. X: A perceived threat. Yeah, I o ti ta a yo y a a he t d n h k h t nb d w s tra. t n Jerry: Why do you say that, did it say literally that this was a warning, or . Mr. X: Well, you have to understand, I saw documents from the 1940s all the way up through the present time, through the 1980s. Jerry: Right, right. Mr. X: Back in the 40s, Foo Fighters were feared, so there were documents about national security and about what we can do, you know like the big fighter . Jerry: Do you remember what they said about Foo Fighters? Mr. X: A lot of stuff recommended that, it was recommended that they fire on them. A d h th y o k o w ee h y o f m b th y su ta is ten ta te d n n w h r te cme r t o u te asme h tt oh r worldly craft and.... Jerry: Oh, they actually put that in there. Mr. X: Uh-huh. A d h r w r oh r ou nsh t o l sye,h y r o n tee ee te d cme tta w u a,Y ste ae f d oh r ol . T e ae o. n t seu t n Tiin wt e And this te w r s h y r n t t o a p cl i . h s o r . d .s i ao s u . Jerry: Did they ever explain why they came to that conclusion? Mr. X: Because of crashes and because of other information. Jerry: So they had recovered crashes of Foo Fighters? M . : ti ta, e f m te ou nai Ie e n my guess would be rX Ih k h tw l r h d cme tt n se , n lo o v around fifty crashes, not just here, but all over the world. Jerry: Right, I understand that. You know, my good friend Ryan S. Wood says there w r 7 o 7 o smeh gi ta, u I e tempes n h ra ek f l ee 8 r 6 ro ti le h tb t g th i rsi tee h c o ao n k o s t more UFO crashes than that over the years. Mr. X: Oh I think so too. I mean you know, Bill was surprised - Bill Ryan was surprised when I said 50, but.... Jerry: Speaking of Bill Ryan, did you see anything in there about Serpo? Mr. X: Nothing. Nothin ,otah wI o t k o h and how I got here, is that gn ,h t o g to n w i s m I w s n iw bi a d w so k g th s fa d si h d en je i a o h e se n I a l i a te t f n Ia ,Ti o s i wt s t on u d s tb h what I k o . A d g t l g ma b c a dta w s i o te a o r n w n I o a o e i ak n h t a k d fh w y u n l n relationship started.

Jerry Rg tw l e e o g o e i o o o w a yu o n w b cuet : i , e w g i t g tn sme f h to d k o ,ea s is h l r n t i rd la d t. g es o h d o i a om ta yu o l tl nb d n e i e n is I u s yu a t s n fr h to w u n e a yo y c b . g dt l about this, right? Mr. X: More than one. Jerry: What was the penalty if you did, did it say? Mr. X: Not specifically, but I was told on numerous occasions, that the penalty for treason is hanging. Jr : n vr n es o w yh G vrme t las o s ee et tr s i er Ie ee u d r o d h te oen n a y cni rd x aer ta y v t w d r e rl information treasonous to our government.Did you see some evidence in these documents that there is an ET threat? Mr. X: No. Well I saw no evidence to that fact. Jr : l k y Taw a I a . er We o a. h t h t me n y l s Mr. X: I mean, the fact that their capabilities are more than ours, Jerry: Well that alone would shake up a military mind. M . : i tb th fc ta te h vn d n a y i ,o iei ne h t rX Rg , u te ath th y ae o e nt n t mes v e c ta h t hg d te n t tra. h ye o a he t r Jr : l e e k p g ru d ee lt b , u Ih kt i otn frh er We w si i ao n h r a il i b t ti ismp r to te y l r pn te t n a a d ne o n es n eat w a w tln a o t We e a ig b u a u i c t u d r a d xc y h t e e a i b u. tln a o t t e t l r kg r k least five decades, right? Of material? Mr. X: Oh yeah. Jerry: And do you remember the latest item you sawwhen did you....can you tell . me the year you stopped doing this? M . : b u 4o 5 Ih k h t w e ito p c. rX A o t8 r8 ,ti ta h n to k l e n s a Jerry: Okay. When you were doing....working with this material, you obviously said, l a i c r w e is r d b t bi s yu a asce c aa c a d We I fe l k h ntt t , u o v ul o h d ert l rne n lm l e ae o y e you had something on the ball, they believed that you were capable of doing it, I mean they were giving you some precious, secret information for you to file someplace. Mr. X: Uh-huh. Jerry: Do you have any idea what happened with all this material after you filed it?

Mr. X: No. Jr : o o ti is in that vault in that building? er D yu h kt still y n Mr. X: It left the room I was in, at the end of the day. So, it was in other boxes and stuff.. Jerry: So you have no idea. Mr. X: Nope. Jerry: It sounds to me like they were guarding this material, as much as, you know Brinks would gold. Probably more. Mr. X: Well yeah. Jr : k yn wl g t ak o o o te h g yu a . o me t n d h er O a, o e s e b c t sme fh ti s o sw Y u ni e te y t n o underwater craft, saucer-type craft, coming out of the water. Mr. X: Saw several photos of a UFO craft taken from Gemini-Apollo space shuttle missions.... Jerry: Was it a saucer craft too? Mr. X: Some were saucers, some were just lights, looked like lights - yu o l o cu n dt se e l te h p . bi s isnsaeb te h svrl e ra yh sa e O v ul t i p c, u ya ,eea hundred of those. l o y Jr : o l fh s p o l tln a o t l e o tee A Ap trs n er S a o tee e p ,a i b u,We w g th s N S i ue a d y l e kg l c tee aei p trs n te so ti s Te po a lae no o ti . h s stl e iue a d h y h w h g. h y rb b r o t smeh g l c t n y n At least you saw some pictures taken by satellites . Mr. X: Oh, yeah. Saw a lot closer, a lot more close up and better-detailed than what te so i o tenen th t sp oe ly tib d cvr . h ye h wn n h i re ta u p sd h i i oey r g t s s g s Jerry: Can you tell me a little bit about the detail of some of the things you remember, I mean what do these craft look like? Mr. X: Most of them were saucer-shaped, they looked like cigar-shaped kind of, but te Ih k h t a i v wd a . h n ti ta s e i e l n s d e Jerry: Yeah, it could just be a matter of perspective. Mr. X: Yeah. Most of them I saw were disc-shaped, I did see spherical items that looked like they were unmarked, like closed spheres or glowing spheres or, but I me n petc s:d a wti b te n 0 a d 0 fe a a a , rt l eI sy i n ew e 1 0 n 5 0 e t w y . yo h Jerry: Did the craft have any markings on them?

Mr. X: No, some of them looked like they had port-holes or windows or lights.... Jerry: Just like the general UFO reports we hear. Mr. X: Yeah, nothing like where the door hatch would be, or anything. Jr : eg tno o o te te ti s Y u a yu a n ti le ep . er Lt e i sme fh oh rh g. o si o sw oh gi S ro y s t n d n k Mr. X: No, I saw no information about that, whatsoever. Jerry: Did you see evidence of any kind of extraterrestrial human-being relationships? Mr. X: Oh, absolutely. I saw pictures. Jerry: Tell me a little about what stands out. Mr. X: I saw documents about biology, ETE biology. Or EBE biology, excuse me. Jerry: Were these dead ETs and autopsy reports? Mr. X: Autopsy documents. Jerry: Did you see some of those pictures? Mr. X: I saw a few pictures but I probably read more stuff than saw pictures. Jerry: What did they say about the biology of the ETs? Was there more than one type of species? Mr. X: Yes, several. The most prevalent, standing out in my mind are the tall, orange beings. Jerry: Did you say orange? Mr. X: Orange. Tall, orange, 7 to 8 feet, real slim. Slim like a Gray, but they have a rounder head. The same type of eyes. Jerry: Kind of like a devil, almost. M . : oI o l syh t rX N ,w u n a ta. dt Jerry: Or maybe like a hu e u,o k o w a I tln a o ti to ltlr g g yyu n w h t a i b u r h,n a e? m kg g y l Mr. X: Yeah, real skinny and slim and tall, and of course there were the Grays....

Jerry: Did they tell you who they were? Mr. X: No. Jr : h y i i ni w ee n o tee p c s ee rm? er Te d n d ty h r a y fh s sei w r f y dte f e o Mr. X: Well Zeta-Reticuli was mentioned, but not as far as . Jerry: It was. But not for that particular type being. Mr. X: No, but what was mentioned was that the orange ones were the fathers and creators of the Grays. Jerry: So even the official Government documents here are either relating the ideas o g o a d a a d p i a s eca dei r h tvro mab te f o d n b d n sit lm,t n v o w aee,r ye h ye ru i . l r justw r te ma i toe at o w r te j tai taw a p o l .ee h y k g h s fc ,r ee h yu sy g h t h t e p n s s n s e thought? Mr. X: Well some were speculation. There were a few that mentioned the Grays as claiming to be the creators of humankind and claiming to have brought Jesus to Earth. Jerry: Okay. Mr. X: So there was mention of that in Government documents, both in speculation and in what they called knowledge from the Ets themselves. Jerry: In looking over these documents, and I want to get back to one thing at a time, the orange ones here in a minute, but I have to ask you this, looking over these documents, was there a lot of evidence to you do you have any doubt at all ta w d n j tit down and interrogate ETs? I mean, did that happen? Did they h t e i u s dts have conversations, in other words? There was some sort of official . Mr. X: Oh absolutely. I did not see anything on any landing, but I did see about mental telepathy and actual conversations. Jerry: And the conversations, w g tn on mo n. eg t ak o h ele i t ia me t Lt e b c t te l s Oa g p o l b cue h t n wt me I a n h ad b u te rn e e p . rn e e p ,ea s ta e o . h d e r a o th Oa g p o l e s t e Mr. X: You never heard of them? There are a few people out there who know about them.t o tenen t S me ft o th r. i n h i re. o o is u tee s t Jr : g es se tee 3 sei o 5 o sme n o ln mb rb t h t er I u s Ie e n h r 8 p c s r 2 r o u g d u e, u w a y v s e y I sy g . d h rpo a lto sn s e l.... ai isa tee rb b h ua d ra y m n n s y l Mr. X: I would say so.

Jerry: Did you get the idea that all these ETs are working together or are they separate incidents, separate encounters, in other words? M . : h ye ok g l gi o e n te, o n csai tg te. ti te rX Te w ri a n s e n a oh rn t eesryo eh r Ih k h y r n o d l n have different agendas. Jerry: What are some of those agendas, do you think? Mr. X: Well, is o t cmmo a n smost of them that have been in contact with our n mo gt government and other governments, that they to have a god and they do believe in God and that they say their role is to create life here and throughout the universe. A d e e at fh tce . p ro ta ce t n n w p ro ta sh me We e at fh t rai . r r o Jr : k ys te b s a y ai ta te g i tru h h g l i a d er O a,o h ye ai l sy g h th ye o g ho g te a x s n y r cl n r n ae the universe, the solar systems and, what? Making sure life exists? Mr. X: Creating life and genet ay n i ei b i s h r, t syia oi y i l e g e r g e g w eel a, sc t cl n n n es f e d s osh msl s h hs i o w ee e e e d dI eeea d h t p r et y te e e w i ik d f h r w h a e ,b lv, n ta at r v c n r i s o te e sn h ye ee fh rao te h r. r Jerry: Did you get the impression that, you know you talked about their being here for some time; how about abductions? I mean, we did autopsies on them. Are they checking us out? Have you hearddid you see anything about abductions? . M . : on .t le g th cr i i omai rX N ,o Isi I o ti et n n r t n . k s a f o Jr : i t I a w n tai ta id en ei o er Rg . me n e e o sy g h tt o s x t r . y h r n t s M . : h ti isre n Ih k t o s x t I sd n ti taa o o rX O Ih kt t a d ti id e ei. j t o h k h t l f n u n s u t n t people are saying.... Jr : a ash u h ta p ra s u G vrme t n wtee b ut n er Ie l y to g th t eh p o r oen n k e h s a d c o s y v w i were happening and we got something i rtr frtw aee ta i I o n eun o i h tvrh ts d n , , t know. M . : h t w a te od s u a o teh o g...u I o really ti te rX Ta h th w r io t b u tcn l y . t d n s o b t h k hy e n v a re d n se o muh b u ta. ray o ti w g t c o ge d .I i e to c a o th t Ie l d n h k e o muh f dt l t n anything from them. I think we got a bunch of stuff that, leee F uet u. i ,H r. i r io t k g Because I read about recoveries of machines and that sort of stuff from ships and I think that stuff was sort of like. o o te tfthat was given to us as far as sme fh s f u crafts and crashes and stuff I think were set up to deliberately. Jerry: Oh really? Why do you think that? M . : ut ea s o h weey i h p e e a d I o k o ,j t o ti rX Jsb cue f o vr h g a p n d n ,d n n w I sg th tn t u s feeling....

Jr : h t a esn l u c f m w a yu e e n er Ta p r a h nh r y s o o h to se . v Mr. X: Taa esn l unch from the stuff that Ie e d h t p r ah s o ra . v Jr t Y u i p k p d cme trm a yl e h t a ta. er : o d n i u a ou n f y dtc o np c ta si h t a d M . : on . bo tln t T aa esn le l g rX N ,o A sl e o. h t p r a fen . u y s o i Jerry: As far as you could tell from the things you saw, were these all of the complete documents, do you think, that existed at that time? Mr. X: Oh, absolutely not. Jerry: Okay. Do you know who this contract was with? Was it with the Defense Department? M . : h v n c e o ak n q et n, o ak nti , sd the rX I ae o l . D n s a y u so sd n s a y n j t o u t i t h gu w r. ok Jr : u d r a d h t N w l g t ak o h oh r p c sp trs o sw er I n es n ta. o , t e b c t te te sei i ue yu a . y t es e c These orange ones by the way, before we go any further, were they posing for pictures? Mr. X: Some were. A lot of them were. Jerry: Oh really? It was k d letn sl We a to e yu ofi p tr i a i ,Sa d tl n k i . w n t g to r fc li ue ia c here? Mr. X: Yeah, sort of. They were like mug shots, type thing or just shots of full body a d iue o te wt Gas n n p trs fh m i ry a d c h Jerry: Could you tell if they were taken under friendly c cms ne o i u t cs r . r a M . : d n se n sak s r rX I i e a y h cl o.... dt e Jerry: Okay. No chains, nothing like that. Mr. X: No. Jerry: You know, we always hear about living entities like J-rod and other entities, EBE-1 and EBE-2 and all of that. What do you make of all that? Do you think tee a -rod for instance who ever existed at Los Alamos or did you see anything h r J s from Los Alamos on that? Mr. X: I saw pictures and stuff but just of pieces of crashes, not of him or referred to as him. Now maybe I saw a picture of him and d n k o w ot a?C u b . i n w h iw s o l e dt d

Jerry: Sure. And how aboutdid you see anything that you could identify that had . been at Area 51 or S-4 or whatever you want to call it? Mr. X: White Sands stuff. Jerry: You mean like the Tall Whites? M . : oI o ee rme e se g h s, I saw Oranges and Grays rX N ,d n vre mb r e i toe t n . Jr : k y o d n rme e se g nti le h t er O a yu o e mb r e i a y n i ta. y t n h gk Mr. X: Several of the species were like the Grays but were a little bit different. Jerry: Other than, I guess there were some more or less human . Mr. X: Nordics, yes. Jr : e h N rit e. o o k o w ee h ye rm? er Y a , od y s D yu n w h r te f y c p r o Mr. X: Saw pictures of them. No. I have no clue. The only reference to a solar system I saw was Zeta-Reticuli. Jerry: Now, when we talk about these things, were there any documents of threats t te Sg vrme t I a ,k e h ai a o t l h p n sh t e eot o h U oen n? me nI e p e r g b u a te l e ta w l n l a v s over the years. Is there any evidence there that planes were shot down by extraterrestrial craft? Mr. X: I i se nti . ti iw sut fa a d t a e r o ,o k o d n e a y n Ih kt a j a e r n iw s al n yu n w dt hg n s y when the early crashes, when Roswell happened and other crashes in that time and a lot of sightings. h icnen w r oe n c a ati a d iy a i i . Te o crs ee vr ul r c vy n d trd t n I r e it r ao think th t w yh t a s pea n i Wol Wa l a h ta w s o rvl tn r s e d rl . Jr : o ,o a i ei n g ys yu rb b p k d pb l k g th s er N w yu e nn l e t u,o o po a l i e u , yo i a tee y r tl g y c on documents over the decades that you saw, early documents and later on closer to te8 s h r yu ee vnd te h 0 w ee o w r ee ,i h attitude of the documents change in any way, d in other words, the way they were writing about this? First what is it? Who are these people? Th ye tra l h ye k y e a he t We te o a....Well we found out. o o g t r l r D yu e what I mean? Mr. X: My feeling of why they were keeping this from the people. Jerry: Was there any document there that said why they want to keep this secret? Mr. X: Several. Jerry: Can you tell me some of them?

Mr. X: Well the first original reasons were national security and threat to human life on Earth. Okay, that was the first tangible thing that I saw. It slowly went to, his is T a Christian country and most people would go into hysteria if they knew they knew what the truth was, if they knew that there were beings out here.As it progressed, and a relationship with the Government started taking place, then is t like is l t a too l big for us to find out anything. What do we do now? Jr :t j t mai t h v sc i rd lsceyo ti d cd sae. er Isu a z g o ae uh n e ie erc frh , ea e l r y s n c b s t Mr. X: Yeah, I do se o te cn ott tl o te rt. n e h w h y a d i o e yu h t h t , l u Jerry: It seems to me that the American people or the people of the world really, would probably be shocked for a week or two; then go on about their business. We kind of accept everything, you know? Mr. X: Well I think so too, and Ih k h ra o moe . ti tee l n s t r Jerry: It seems to be much ado about nothing. M . : i t Tee a o moe e p , o a w ai irtd oi y i a te rX Rg . h r l h s t r p o l l k t h t n lae sc twt l h eo s ft e h l alien-head stuff and all the pictures and all the skateb ad,me n t p ro o r o rsI a is at f u cl r n wa sa dIh k h t b cuet ra Y u n wi b i ra u ue o l t n ti ta ea s is e l o k o t e g e l t mo n s . s n s r i o r u ue Ie l ti te o n e p o lw u syh h t co t t n u cl r. ra yh k h yu g r e p o l a,O ta o l as t l n e d s . Jerry: Yeah. M . : H v te cme vro h ueI a to h c te o t Y u n w rX ae h m o oe t my o s.w n t cek h m u. o k o ? Jr : l n t yu g u b t sr le out n c o te o r n sy er We I o a o n g y u I uei t j k ok n h d o a d a, y lm d k s o o oe h r, t ma e tp . C me n vr eel k a a e es Mr. X: I would too. Lt tl I want to know w ao th r. e a . s k h t u tee You show me your s wola d so yu n . r n I h w o mi d l l e Jr : i t D yu h k e e o e o o oh r ol ? er Rg . o o ti w g n t sme te w r s y h n v d M . : ti S ro t e S ,e. rX Ih k ep r . oys n su Jr : o d . u yu a n ei nen o r . er Y u o B to sw o v e c i yu y d Mr. X: No. Jerry: Okay. How about Roswell? Mr. X: Absolutely true. Jerry: And you saw a lot of documents about Roswell?

Mr. X: And pictures, parts, and. Jerry: Give me some examples. We go to Roswell every year; we do lots of shows at R s e. ee Jn i s a R s e w s my . d n ti s. ow l P tre n g si ow l a a t I o h k o l n d l h t n Mr. X: Well, no. Absolutely no. Jerry: Yeah. Right. M . : iue o rX Pc rs f .there was like these frames, this one large picture of all these t smaller pictures of a guy taking some flat material and crushing it up into his hands, where it was hidden? And lettingt o n ig i ,b i ,a d pi i ig a dt o go g n sr g g n n nn out and being totally creaseless. Stuff like that. I-beams with insignias on them . Jerry: And strange writing? Mr. X: Yep. Also, like electronic discs and stuff from crashes and like, video. Jerry: Oh, ra y I 1 4 tah v t b wte mi . e l.n 9 7 h t ae o l h i n l d o r d Mr. X: Te po a ld n k o w a iw s I o k o ta that sort of stuff h y rb b i n w h tt a. d n n w h t y dt t w srm R s e,ut f m oh r rse,w u tn t b lv is rb b af o ow lb t i r l o te c h sI o l e d o eeet po a l s a d i y further down the line. Jerry: Was there any reason. o k o yu e a i a o teh i l sp r r yu n w o tln b u tcn a y u ei r kg cl o people here. h y o h r,rce trs w aee w w n t cl h m, h tvr te g t eeo aue, h tvr e a to a te w aee r l they want to call us, was there any reference in there about how they referred to us? Mr. X: No, not to my recollection. No. Jr : k yI a k d cr u. g esh ofi tr w sutet tr s i er O a,w s i a ui s I u s te fc lem a j x aer ta y n o ia s r e rl b i s o. e g r n Mr. X: Extraterrestrial biological entities. E E Bs . Jerry: Right, we have that part of it right, then. Mr. X: Oh yeah, or Grays or they call them by. me n h ra ni o, e p I a tee me t n fp o l s o e ak Bill asked me, I guess, if I had seen anything about reptilians and I said, s me .or o N ti i te ou nai I o e a, n ta se t b w yh y N . oh gn h d cme tt n l k d ta d h te mso e h te n o o d n b lv ta toe x t N wte cu . o eee h th s ei. o h y o lv t i s de Jr : i ta yu ad o d n h v a te ou ns rb b , u o te er Rg , s o si yu i ae l h d cme tpo a l b t fh y h dt l y d cme tyu a ,h t w a w zri io h r. ou ns o sw ta h t e e eo gn n ee s r n Mr. X: Exactly. And if thasmall or large,d n k o h wb a part it was. t s Io nw o i t g

Jerry: Was there ever any discussion on why these extraterrestrials would crash? Why the UFOs would crash? Mr. X: Well there was one where they had figured that the craft was downed by good, old-fashioned radar. Good, old-fashioned radar messed up their system. Jerry: So, the really hot radar back in those years. Mr. X: Yeah. Jerry: So we more or less have that story right. Mr. X: Yeah. I mean it lete tcn l y s a vne ,h y o ti i ,h i eh o g o da cdte d n h k sk r o s t n about. h y o ue radio waves.... te d n s the t Jerry: Do you know if they had any survivors to that crash? Mr. X: To the Roswell crash? Jerry: Yeah. Mr. X: Yeah, one. Jerry: And you saw some evidence of that? Mr. X: Yeah. Jr : n h wsvrliue w sh t raue I a w a they do er A d o eee n rd a ta ce tr? me n h t y y j d wt h r w u yu a e ce tr taiue ,w n e? i .w ee o l o tk a raue h t n rd I o d r h d s j Mr. X: To an Army base or some kind of Navy base or something. Jerry: Yo d n k o w i o e u o nw h h n. t c M . :I o k o , o B t d k o ta te d h v o e n h w s rtty rX d n n w n . u I o n w h th y i ae n a d e a pe t d b d h r Iw sle e o l j t a a a. r h . a l ut t an i h cu u w l w y O se y . tk d s k Jerry: Did he recover or do you know? Mr. X: No. He died three or four days later. Jerry: Was there any evidence of other.Y u n w in the military when you lose o ko , somebody, you go after the body if you can get it. Is there any evidence the ETs do that?

Mr. X: No. No, they regard their bodies a little different than we do. Their bodya s shell. They sita like we are, u te r pi l e ru b th y .and this is from government documents from their communications with us. That their body is a shell and when they die they leave their body a d h ye o si s ftte cnc u w e n te cnc u o i h ye o si s h n r o , r o te gone and they get a new body and they donee fre. h yi , o h ye r t vrog t Te led n k t die. Where we go and have an out-of-b d ep r ne rg t tei to o y xei c o o o h lh r e g whatever? And we forget where we were and . Jerry: They remember. M . : h y o ee fre w e te d . rX Te d n vrog t h n h y i Yeah, they say we live many lives and t e choose other lives and we go out and cruise space for a while and come back and decide that w w n t le g ia d oni a oh r o y We ee ri . e a toi a a n g i d n te b d. l n g v n se r a n Jerry: Are there two different sexes? Mr. X: Y s B th y o te d n ray h e. u te d n h y o e l a ....procreate like we do. They just t t l make bodies and recycle the biological material. Jr : lf n lta d en su d s c fn sh w y e o t u ta er We,r k h t o s o n a muh u a te a w d ib th t y la y t s beside the point. Jerry: TO THE AUDIENCE We tln t ama w o se u t k e h i ni r ai o e kg n h ak d s o e p i d ty s e t secret, because he does not want to get into trouble. He is breaking his top secret oath because he believes we need to know what really is going between the US Government and the UFO business. He has seen documents, spread out over several decades. We agreed to the terms of this interview by not identifying him and changing his voice, because we think this show is important. Coming up in the next half-hour you will hear how the US Government has secret documents saying, indeed the world for many of us will be coming to an end in 2012. Can this be true? Stay tuned. This is indeed tough stuff. END FIRST HALF HOUR PROGRAM BREAK BEGIN SECOND HALF HOUR Jerry: Official government documents showing live ETs, extraterrestrials, visitors from other worlds. Is it true? Stay tuned folks. This is indeed one of our more intriguing UFO-Files programs. This is Jerry Pippin. Welcome back to this headlinema i so . bo dat g rm a tl t w ny k g h w We e ra csn f n r i o moea T e tNine Palms, California in the southern California desert and our guest is a mystery man We e o g i h . n t in i r vg s name or showing his face, in fact we have even altered his voice because he feels he is in trouble, in danger with our own Government because he has broken his oath of secrecy. He made this oath of secrecy to the US Government when he examined documents from the US Government regarding UFOs and extraterrestrials, beings

from other planets, other galaxies here regularly and our official Government knows a o tt n te n tei yu me. b u ia d h ye o tl g o or r l n Now when we went to the break, (by the way, welcome back to the show), you said the extraterrestrials, at least these that you read about, did not reproduce the way w d , e e a i a o t sxa w y u moe f sita o si tiw yb e ow tln b u a eu l a b t r o a p i lr c ni a,y r kg ru e f c entering a body a new body prepared for them. Now this brings up the thing that I w n ei . h ad b u ma a d e lEs eoes te u so h r o d r g Ie e r a o t l n fma T b fr,o h q et n ee m n v e e i really is, are there two different sexes for ETs, male and female? M . : e h B th y o ra y rc aei w d . h y just make bodies and rX Y a . u te d n e l por t l e e o Te t l e k recycle biological material. Jerry: How does that work? Mr. X: I would imagine they do something in the lab or something in a culture. Jr : h ye rb b c n d er Te po a l l e . y r y o Mr. X: Yeah. Jerry: Did you see any evidence of that in the documents? Mr. X: Quotes and stuff, yeah. Written down, documentation.... Jerry: Do you remember the first time that you saw a document where, I imagine it would be a military officer, talked to an extraterrestrial? Mr. X: Uh-huh. Jerry: Do you remember where that was? M . : rme e iF re o te ou ns rX Ie mb rAr oc n h d cme t . Jr : h r w s l g a e rb m teew stee r a ia tl ah ? er Tee a a a u g po l h r, an h r o w st l e p ti y n e t l e c Mr. X: It was mostly telepathic. And they knew they could think to us in English. Jerry: And then when they were in another country they would think to them in their language? M . : e h B cue h y n ww ag i o h r. rX Y a . ea s te k o h t o g n ee s n Jr : d n h v ei neo mab w d ,h t w a I g i t ak o , o er We o ae v e c,r ye e o ta h t o g o s yu d y t d s m n they prefer certain countries on the Earth? Mr. X: Well....

Jerry: Or do different races go different places? I did a story recently with Wendelle Stevens, in which he talked about a particular extraterrestrial race that he thought preferred Germans. Nazis. And it goes back to the Foo Fighter days and before that, and when he was at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in 1947 he threw away a lot of evidence, not by malice....[but from] i oa c; e i k o w a iw s g rneh d n n w h tt a. n dt He just thought it was strange writing and pitched it. And then later on he figured out there was a German connection. S te o F hes ee eitlet tr s i a d h t w ee e a l v g o h F o i tr w r d f i y x aer ta n ta h r h w se i g ne r e rl s an his conversation. M . : l h t w a te ue t cl h m. h y o ue h tem a y r rX We ta h th y sd o a te Te d n s ta tr n moe l s l t obviously. Because they thought they were a threat. They thought they were from another country. There was Germany and Russia. h y i k o w ee h y te d n n w h r te dt came from. They thought these were secret weapons. Jerry: You can understand some of the things that we did, top-secret-wise when the C lWa w s n n Wol Wa l a o , u I n to ue h th ra y o d r a o ad r d rl s nb t o s sr ta tee n w m s tra le h t o . d n ti a yo y g i t g t n cmea d a e n T he ti ta n w I o h k nb d o g o e o a a l n tk a E, k t n s n you know what I mean? Mr. X: Yeah. Jerry: So we do h v a he ti ta n w n ae tra le h t o . t k Mr. X: It was done out of ignorance and it was innocent ignorance, not.. Jerry: What really jumps out at you, I mean this has been several years back, that you saw these documents.fo h d n vrl sa e fh s documents that Iyu a a oea mesg o tee l yu a , h t o l ib ?Ta tee n ti t fa? o sw w a w u t e h th r oh g o e r d s n M . : oh g o e rrm te b th ye o cre a o t s rX N ti t fa f n o h m,u te cnen d b u u. r Jr : h yh k e e r d n eo s h n h y r, u ? er Te ti w moe a g ru ta te aeh h y n r Mr. X: More dangerous to ourselves. Jerry: Well Ia ag e i ta. cn ru wt h t t h Mr. X: You know, like dirty radiation. There are two real major issues they now have with usand this will be the Graysita w g in te a a i yo rvl . . h t e e a i h cp b i t t e s r ng l t a interplanetarily (sic) and enter different solar systems. Between other solar systems a d e e tatd o iya i i ....bombs, engines, whatever it is n w at c t d trd t n r r e r ao .not clean radiation, and their fear is that not only are we going to destroy ourselves. Number Two, that we could take it somewhere else.

Jerry: And acta y a s u l cue . l M . : a g a d oui sme h r e e n ta rX D ma e n p l t n o w ee l a d h t. lo s s Jr : etla il b a o to p rcl i i nsh to rme e. o er Lt a lt i b u sme at u rn d tta yu e mb r Y u y s k te t i a ce said they had two sexes, male and female, I imagine. Mr. X: Yeah. Jr : u te d n poraete n t ai . er B th y o rc t;h ye o d t g y t e r n M . : o S me r. me n o ,h y r tg te b th y o . are rX N . o ae I a smete ae o eh r u te d n they t cmp n n. h y o h v t h v sxo o a i s Te d n ae o ae e t procreate; te cn e a e b d o t h y a gt n w o y . Jerry: I wonder if they show affection at all. They probably do h v t.t n ae o Is t probably just a mental, emotional thing. M . : l h ye e g. ye vn ft o g t f c o ,I o l ti i rX We te b i s Mab ee iis t u h af t n w u h kt l r n h ei d n w u b ol e . d Jr : h t w a I sy g Te ma h v po rse b yn ata te c a er Ta h t ai . h y y ae rgesd eo d c lh at l y s m n u u physical part ft . Do you have any idea how they get from huge distances to oi here? Was there any information in there like. Weut o u d rtn te a j d n n es d h w y s t a te . h ye r M . : h t petmuh h tt a. a a o t e d g p c a d r g g . rX Ta rt s y c w a iw s Tl b u b n i sae n bi i you k n nn d n g tere, you bring them here. That sort of stuff, where you create a vacuum o o h t in distance, a distance vacuum, and you bring whatever you want to get to you, to yu a d t let sotr us e h c fta i i . o ,n i i is h r o td te r th n n d k s e i a se Jerry: Hmm. Mr. X: From inside, it tk s h m a he o e h r b t us eisat a e te w i t g t ee u o td , fs l i t . Jerry: Instantaneous. Mr. X: Close to it. Not exactly, but close to it. Within minutes to get from here to there, where there might be 40 light-years....whatever.... Jr : n tee sme v er A d h r o eidence that some of these craft shot lasers out or light y s beams or whatever. Anything in there like that? M . : i t e ms h r, u Ie ee h ad fh m d s oi a y i . rX L h b a teeb t n vr e r o te et y g nt n g v r n hg Jerry: You never saw anything where a fighter plane was shot down that was attacking them?

M .: oIe e n h m rx N ,v se te .seen documents about disabling the instrumentation in aircraft and aircraft crashing, but only because they were chasing, but nothing to destroy .just like, to prevent. Jerry: So basically, you saw absolutely no evidence of them being a threat to us. Mr. X: Absolutely not. Jerry: Just the other way around. Mr. X: Correct. Jr : w r t i t so th m d w er We ee rn o h o te o n .which we were at one time. y yg M . :Wh h e a rX i w cn . c t Jerry: Right. We figured out, e a I o ti te ee t t d ia y r. w cn . d n h k h y vn r o ot n moe t t n y Mr. X: No. Jerry: And you saw evidence of them working together, maybe not in unison, but they were aware of each other. Mr. X: Correct. Jr : u ta b k d f n e N t n o te a x s o smeh g er Wo l h t e i o a U i d ai s fh G l i r o ti ? y d n t o ae n Mr. X: I liken it most to the Prime Directive of Star Trek. Jerry: It seems to me that Star Trek is right-on about a lot of things. Mr. X: Absolutely. Absolutely. Jerry: Do you have any theory about that? How that happened? Mr. X: I think there are b i sh tma etl g n u h n eo e n u h o e g ta k i o e o g a d vl e o g t n n v raz ta w a te a e g Eeyo y n at,h r ae o n e le h t e e l h sme b i . vr d o E r tee r s ma y i r l n b h races and all that stuff but our souls are the same and that we need to get it all together and. Jerry: I want to get back to the ET biology. Mr. X: Okay. Jerry: Do they have stomachs? Mr. X: No.

Jerry: How do they eat? Mr. X: Their blood is chlorophyll-b sd S te a l t n lT e d n e t ae . o h ye p n-a i . h y o a. r a ma t They absorb sunlight and use carbon dioxide. Jerry: Unless their structure is totally different from ours, they have to have some sort of energy. Mr. X: Yeah, they get minerals and stuff from the atmosphere and from. Jerry: They absorb it. Mr. X: Uh-huh. Through their skin. Jerry: So nobody sits down and orders a steak. Mr. X: No. Jerry: They must look upon us, having to eat three meals a day, rather quizzically. M . : h w r p ro iite f r t,h w s . me ni le p n h s rX Te os at ftsh at mah te at I a t i a l t a t e e k s a no waste. It has waste i w s iw a w le fo: oye . t at s h t ei of fi xg n s e v t s Jr : o n te w rste d n h v b w l vme to a y i le h t er S i oh r od,h y o ae o emoe ns r nt n i ta. y t h gk M . : on th t a ae f Te eo h g s o s o n o p i a d h t rX N ,o ta I w r o. h i sp a u g e d w t a o t n ta m r n s it. Jerry: Do some of them actually have voices do you think? Mr. X: Yeah, I would think so. Not a lot about that. A lot about thoughtcommunication. Jr : ayu fen r h n w D yu h k h rEs mo g stln t er Wh t o re lg i t o . o o ti tee T a n u,a i o y s i g n s kg some Colonel or General right now someplace? Mr. X: I think so. I think there are different kinds. A lot of different kinds. And I think in other nations too. Jr : o o ti a y rs e t ee me a E? er D yu h k n Pei n vr t n T y n d s M . : w u sy rma a d i n o e po a l I o ti a yo y l . rX I o l a Tu n n E e h w r rb b . d n h k nb d e e d s y t n s Jr : o d n se n d cme tt ta efc to g . er Y u i e a y ou nso h t f t h u h y dt e, Mr. X: No. But I would .

Jr : o d n se h fmo s d ad Ar oc d cme t h r Ie e th r er Y u i e te a u E w rs iF r ou n w ee k w n tee y dt e and they met him on the runway or anything. Mr. X: No. No. Jerry: Did you see anything like that? Anything that they were going to have a meeting or a treaty or agreement or . Mr. X: Just stuff about acquired equipment. Jerry: Required equipment? Mr. X: Acquired equipment. Machines.. Jerry: Okay. In other words, what we found in crashes. M . : i t O w ag e t u:H r,a e h . rX Rg . r h t i n o seetk ti h s v s Jerry: And of course you worked for aerospace company, right? So that may have b e a te tr lh y ee in yu us ea s taw a yu b e n l h maei te w r g i o g y b cue h t h to e l a vg s d interested inyour company. . M . : o lb . o l b ta tate ou ns h t h p e e t se rh t rX C u e C u e h th t h d cme tta I a p n d o e o ta d d s were passed across my desk to be filed. Jerry: You know, this has been an incredible time, and just mind-boggling when we start talking about it and I know you to g t b u ifr l g i n w oe v h u h a o tto ao t e n me o ,vr a d vr n oe. a cnl i s o o da h r?I a ,h rle n n oe a d vr Wh t o c s n d yu rw ee me ntee i o uo sf other worlds. We agree to that, right? Mr. X: Absolutely. Jr : n a fr s o k o te n tno hs a yhe tn g s Te n t er A d sa a yu n w h ye o i p yi l trae i u. h ye o y r t cl n r eating us for lunch. M . : o Te cmi h r to g , l o te ae o n h r.... rX N . h ye o n ee h u h a o fh m r cmi ee r g t g Jr : n w y o yu h k h y a t n fc loi ta te h r? er A d h d n o ti te w n a of i n t e h th ye ee y t n ia c r M . :t cmi .t cmi wti5o 6yas Because that was mentioned: rX Is o n Is o n i n r e r g g h . 2012, and visitations. Jerry: And did it say what this visitation would consist of?

Mr. X: That they would make themselves known to the human race through landing and through our massive communication network. And, if there was nuclear war before that time that they could possibly intervene. Jr : I oh r od,f ed n w iu t 2 1 , ea s w g i t b w er n te w rs iw i a ni 0 2 b cue e e o g o l y dt t l r n o ourselves up, they would intervene. Mr. X: Yes. Jr :Ie o eal o so s b u U Oi evnion with missiles. A lot of people er d n o f h w a o t F n r t y v t t e were on duty when these things happened. Mr. X: Yeah. They shut them down. Jerry: Yeah. Did you see anything like that? Mr. X: I saw documents to that effect, yeah. Jerry: You did see documents to that effect. M . : i b n n c a mi is n sut g fh n rd o so a d rX Ds lg ul r s l a d h tn of u de s fis n ai e se i l Jerry: So basically you really feel, after seeing these documents that probably te n t o g oe u d s o o r l s h ye o g i t l s et y us v . r n t r ee M . : ti te g i t l ao o u d but not all of us. rX Ih k h ye o g oe l f s ie, n r n t t Jerry: Why would they let some of us die, do you think? M .X We,yu e ray n tdi ,N mb rO e Y u b d s ae b i r : l o el o y g u e n. or oi r e g l r l n e n destroyedyu su ae tlle S . r o l r sl i . o . o s ia v Jerry: So they have souls and we have souls. Do these souls intermingle? M . :Y a , p nd ah Wecng u t o eo te I o k o ta yucn rX e h u o e t. a o p o n fh m. d n n w h t o a t tl h d frne B th t j t esn lp i . e te iee c. u ta u p r a o io l f s s o nn Jerry: I understand that. And you did see documents - official US Government documents that dealt with this subject. Mr. X: Yes. That dealt with recycling of bodies and this whole thing about not dying a dn t n es n i p yi l a b cuete d n h v p yi l a .Te n o u d r a d g hs a p i ea s h y o ae hs a p i h y t n c n t c n cn u te am a d . a cth i r n r Jr : h y o h v a y a ? er Te d n ae n p i y t n Mr. X: No.

Jerry: And there are documents to that effect? Mr. X: Yeah. Jr : e rt tu h o ee th m ia a te , o l i er B pet o g t d fa te n w rh n w u n t y y d t? Mr. X: There is no winner. Jerry: Well, do you think some people in our government think they can? Mr. X: Yeah. I think some people in our government think they can control humanity and keep things the way they are, here. Jr : e titi a o t 0 2 .was that date given? er Wh n h h g b u 2 1 y s n Mr. X: Uh-huh. Jerry: It actually was given. Mr. X: December 21st or 22nd. Jr : a w tl d b u b fr. er Wh t e e a e a o t eoe y v k Mr. X: Same old thing everybody else talks about, the Mayan Calendar. Jr :Ik e s o n b c,i t N w w o cmi ? Ddisy go po te er t e p cmi ak r h. o , h o n y g g s g i t a a ru fh m or just one group or did it go into detail? Mr. X: TeGasaew a itl da o t oI o l i g eispo a l te h ry r h tta e b u s w u ma i t rb b h m. k d n y Because they say that they put us here. Jr :S w ra y . fr s h Gas r cnen d w k do te s p er o e e e la a a te ry ae o cre , e e i fh i t y r l s r n r e children. M . :Y a .We ete ci rn Te cr a o t s n w p ro e ea rX e h h i h de . h y ae b u u a d e e at f .w r r l r r po c frh m.We ep ro teleta te p t nE r .A dteeaeoh r rj to te e at fh i h th y u o at n h r r te r f h beings like us on other planets throughout the universe. Jerry: Other human-type.... Mr. X: Yeah, not exactly but maybe have a different color skin but have the same evolutionary process. Jr :A fr s o k o yud n sea y i a o t ep b t o ti tee er s a a yu n w o i e nt n b u S ro u yu h k h r y dt hg n s truth to it.

M . :Y a Ih kta, d n k o ,h rs muhted tii i is o w a rX e h ti h tI o n w tee o c h ea n t t n t h t n t s l , I concerned about; i tew o cne t A dysI oti s.I a tee m t h h l o cp. n e, d h k o me n h r s e n aes ma yti sta aele l eE cu tr o teTi Kn . Tee a r o n h g h t r i ,Co no nes fh h d i h r n k s r d s movie I saw when I was young. And this was before I was working in aerospace, that to me, ipetc s t te rt a d h t,H n a 1 . I o k o iyu e s rt l e o h t h n ta a g r 8 d n n w fo yo u s t v ee se ta moi Isce s.Isleap rlloteR s e cahb tt vr e n h t v . t h ey t i e k aa e t h ow l rs u is l l about a space shuttle that launches a satellite and hits a UFO and it crashes to Earth. Jer We ae tl da o t at muit n b cue e e e ntln a o t r : h vn a e b u cte tai s ea s w b e a i b u y t k l lo v kg te o d es fh et tr s i moe n a dyu e e npet epc a o t h g o n s o te x aer ta vme t n o b e rt xli b u r e rl v y it it and you have documentation to back it up. But how do you explain that part of it? Mr. X: The cattle mutilations? Jerry: Did they deal at all in cattle mutilations? Did you see any documents about that? Mr. X: I saw documents about that but never anything that would mark them as sinister and from the ETs. They wondered what it was and there were UFO sightings ao n toe i s S Ih k h racr l i tee u I o ti tee a ru d h s t . o ti tee me n s or a o h r b t d n h k h r w s e tn t n anything else. Jerry: Did they write about Bigfoot? Mr. X: No. No Loch Ness type stuff, none of that. Jerry: Okay, no Bigfoot, no monsters, and no reptilians. Mr. X: No reptilians. Not come across my desk. Jr :Ieotnflta, o o l i teC r t nrli , u i ma yrli s er f e h tn t n n h hii eg n b tn n eg n, y v e t y sa io io especially the things that were written two, three thousand, four thousand years ago, that there could have been an extraterrestrial element to it and that mankind a ta p i j t o l u d r a di Y th et tr s i s yusi e re th t o tu w u n n es n t e te x aer ta , o a alr n s dt t . r e rl d i that they did believe in a divine God. Mr. X: Yes. Jerry: Did they believe in a singular godhead? Mr. X: Yes. Jr : n d te cl i G d O d te clt r ? er A d i h y a h y d l m o ? r i h y a ia f c d l oe M . :Werfr dt w a te b lvdi a o ,b t ome t no w a te rX eer o h th y eee n s G d u n e i ni f h th y o cld i o r h th yh u h iw s ae h ri o w a te to g tt a. l m t .

Jerry: In other words, as far as they were concerned, it might be as simple as what w swisme fh moi :M yh F re e i yu k d fh g e a n o o te v s a te oc b wt o , i o ti . e h n n Mr. X: Or it could have been their collective consciousness as a set of souls. Jerry: And they really dealt in reincarnation and they really believe in that. M . : h y n fc rd o i ,o e h h y i o j th k . rX Te ma uat e b d ss ya te k d fu ti u e n s n Jerry: They manufactured what? M . : h y n fc rdb d s oue h nte n e e te w e te b d rX Te ma uat e o i t s w e h y e d d h m, h n h i o y u e r s worn out. Jr :S yu esy gtee afc r i tesy o p c w eete sye er o o ai h r at yn h k sme l e h r h y a,H y y r n s o a Jew g t to sn su td y o n a o t We e d o i ? o , e e o a h ua d o l o a cmi b u. n e b d s v s g e Mr. X: Well no, the biological entities themselves had their own laboratory and made their own bodies. T e q oe a hy eyl b de. hi u tw s T e rcc d o i r e s Jerry: In other words, they chose who they were going to be next? Mr. X: Yeah, they were pretty much all the same. There was no. Jerry: So the eternal, everlasting life wt te w s o a s r is fc i h m a n t myt y t a at h e , . Mr. X: Yeah. Jerry: How long do these bodies they have right now, last? Did they say? Mr. X: Three to four hundred years. Jerry: And do they go check into a hospice or someplace? M . : n tue o te d i rX I o sr h w h y o t m . Jerry: I mean I wonder how they do that. Mr. X: I think they just walk into the lab and do an EBE out-of-body experience, an O E n B ad . Jr :Y uti is h tat Iteea y v e c ta Gas r a do s Y u er o h k t ta fs s h r n ei ne h t ry ae n ri ? o y n ? d d hear about that a lot. Mr. X: No.

Jr : o ti te e ti ,u ? er Y u h k h ye nie h h y n r ts Mr. X: Yeah, oh I know they are. Jerry: All of them. M . :We w a Ie re a o t I i sea y i a o t n k do a do s rX l h t l n d b u. d n e nt n b u a y i f n ri l a dt hg n d o at ci r rp rmah e o. n Jr : si sme a le r -sa i ti s op o l Ie e nd i so s er We e a o fiy at h k g h g t e p . b e o g h w y v d r h n n e v n like this for four decades and you saw all these secret documents, so it may not be earth-sa i t yuo me b to ten r l esno th r, e epet w l h k g o o r , u frh oma p r n o u tee w rt e v y l skirted heresy here. What do you say to those people? M . :We,h ral moeh p e i ta yura z.T ew r i a as rX l tee l s o t r a p n g h n o e le h ol s t l y n i d n w w a yu e a d h to tu h. ut e aeu w o o ltn o n .... h to se n w a yu e a g t Jsb crfl h yu i e t a d r s Jerry: Do you have any evidence where they voluntarily come and stay, like you k o w h a a o th s r I i aso rcently, with the Aviary, in which they n w e e r b u te t y d o d hw e talked about EBE 3 being a female ambassador. And being in a safe-house near Wah go , Ca d h yr d o k cnat i h r n te w rn a l t d si tn D n te te t ma e o tc wt e a d h y ee b o o n i h t e it but they almost did. But Reagan, according to their story, did see the EBE 3, the female ambassador. Did you see anything like that in these documents? Yours w r moeut rs ee r j c h . s a Mr. X: Crash and then . Jerry: Well you did have some interrogations though. Mr. X: Uh-huh. A little bit but more just the informational type and reports and, h i w a w ti . A d h i w a w k o . M r o iw s a w Ti s h t e h k s n n ,Ti s h t e n w oe ft a,Wh t e s ti . hk n Jerry: You never saw in any of these documents, where a crash, extraterrestrial that we recovered or one that we met or captured, or they came willingly or however it h p e e , h r te si smeh gle cod gt teG n v C ne t nI a p n d w ee h y a o ti i ,A cri o h e ea o vni d n k n o d n h v t tl o a y i . T e w r co eai , oh r od. o ae o e yu nt n h y ee o p rtei te w rs t l hg v n Mr. X: To a certain extent. I think they told us what we could handle. Jerry: You know they gave more than their name, rank, and serial number. M . : Rg t Te d an wt teG vrme t Te n t e lgwt a rX i . h ye e lg i h oen n. h ye o d a n i h r i h r i h normal person that might be more open-mi e .Te d a n wt sme o y n d h ye e l g i o b d d r i h whose mi stsrtc cnrl n o n n e i poet o t , d w . d , , oa

Jerry: But as far as you could see, from the relationships, the little bit of stuff you saw about relationships, it more or less was a cooperative effort. There was not any animosity on either side. Mr. X: No, not at all, no. In fact, when we recovered their bodies after the crashes, te d n ee cmeb c t g th m.Te cu cr l s B cuete d n h y i vr o dt ak o e te h y o l ae e . ea s h y i d s dt h v a y i w e te h d h b d sacri t te B ste w r leo ae nt n h n h y a te o i , cod g o h E E,h y eei ,S I hg e n k d n h v a o y I j t e a e o e Is o id a o ae b d. u g t n w n .t n b e l t l s l g . Jr :S h w d te l ka o r ttd o k o , u atu ei w h v t er o o i h y o t u atu e yu n w o r ttd s e ae o y d o i i , rcu ta b d,o . eo p h t o ys M . :N ,h yd n seilew d .Ta w a Ih kal o p o l d n rX o te o e ti e o h t h t ti t k s n o f ep o t e t understand, ea s te l ka ii tr o h ma a di h r t l kp s b cue h y o o ttn ems f u n n t ad o o s o at ta b cueta w a w ae Te d n l ka i a, o k o , h ti h t ea s h t h t e r. h y o o s t o t t s yu n w ta t s possible that other people can have other values. Jerry: If I get what you are saying here, in 2012, December 20th, 21st, whatever the d t i tee g i t b ao o si l d C No a te e v i n tok wl aes h r o g o e l fh sa . N r l h tl io ew rs i , s n t p n l esn l b bo dat gt Wel l n wa o tt A diib s a y h r! Ita e ra csn i i . a k o b u i n st ai l,We e ee. s h t l l . cl r the way they plan to do it? Mr. X: Yeah,n w b g e co e. a d el e i n h i s l v c Jerry: And the choice is what? Mr. X: That if we want to learn where they came from and to learn to evolve more spiritually so we too, can go throughout the universe and make life. Jerry: You know many, many governments and some religions, will not accept that. Te wl a,Y a ,h yetl gyuta b t h th yew ni t d ima e h y isye h te ei o h t u w a te a t g o o s k l r l n r n yu h is vs Te cnrl g o ri . o te l e. h ye o t l yu le ra r oi n f M . :Y a , ti ta teG vrme t i syh io r hii rX e h Ih k h th oen n wl a,Ti s u C rt nnation and n l s sa te S tna di l eta w o ti ,h t h l d a t w eeyuco s u h ye aa n t b h t h l h g ta w o u ly h r o h oe s r l e n e i o te rh m. Jerry: It appears to me that our Government is not doing us a favor by keeping us in the dark. Mr. X: Correct. I agree, 100 percent. Jerry: And id e a p a t meta I g tn moei omai teed y f m t o s p e ro h t et g r n r t n h s as r m i f o o ofi sucsn t i , i u b t i e u ta b fr.Is l s lep ro fc lo r , o h h h h p u h h r p h n eoe t a ia e g g g moti at f k the Government wants us to know. Mr. X: Yeah.

Jerry: They feel like you do. Mr. X: I can se o is l lcmi o t e n w t s wy o n u. o g Jr : 0 2mi t e o d r lo al o p o l Al o p o l mi t a,H y er 2 1 y g b w n ef fr o f e p . o f e p h u t e t e g sye! h Tiitea tr Y uk o .S meoh r e p wl a,H yte cmi h s h R pue o n w o s . te p o l isye,h ye o n e l r g t g t s A doh r e p wlb sy g .I mean, I can see it a very confusing o e u. n te p o l i e ai e l n time. M . : w u ti s to Is ea s o h ww tu h.f e e a g t eo t rX I o l h k o o .t b cue f o e e a g t Iw tu h d vu d n r r C rt n y rf o tu h a y te rli is lo k da d frnl Is l hii i o iyu e a g t n oh reg n t a l e t iee t. t a sa t r io l o f y l looked at differently. Jerry: Did you see anything in the documents you did, about the moon? Us going to the moon and never going back? Did they act like they had bases up there or anything? M . : d n se nti , o rX I i e a y n n . dt hg Jerry: Okay. So basically it seems to me that when you really get down to it, the G vrme t rb b d en k o aw o l moeta w d .O d yuti oen n po a l o s n w y t hl o e t r hn e o r o o h k n te k o a o moe n te j t o w n t tl s hy nw l t r a d h yu d n a to e u. s t l M . :I o l ti te k o moea dte d n w n t tlu, d n k o i rX w u h k h y n w r n h y o a to e sI o n w f d n t l t i a o moe Ih k h re o g i omai o th r a de o g p o l t l s t r. ti tee n u h n r t n u tee n n u h e p . n s f o e Jerry: And what do you think that is, that they know the races of the et tr s i s n w ee h ye rm?Ita w a w tln a o t x aer ta a d h r te f r e rl r o sh t h t e e a i b u? r kg Mr. X: That and their capabilities are more and that we can have these capabilities to Te h v al o tcn l y T eG vrme t a al o tcn l y .like, o . h y ae o feh o g. h oen n h s o feh o g t o t o w d n n e o r h n w Teein rao fr s oueo.Weh v p ny f e o e d i i t o . h r s o e sn o u t s i t lg l ae l t o e secret projects that have technology way beyond that. Jerry: Did you ever see any documents on what energy the extraterrestrials used? Was it a zero plus energy base or something? M . : o ta Ia rme e, sta is o le nti w h v. rX N th t cn e mb rj th tt n ti a y n e ae u k hg Jr :We isg o t h a w d n n e g sl e a $ .5a d$ .5ag ln er y l t o d o e r e o e d aon , t 32 n 33 l t i ao l out here in the desert. M . : Isb cuep o l w n mo e yuk o , ti ta w a isa o t rX t ea s e p a t n y o n w Ih k h t h tt b u e n s here.

Jerry: It seems to me that maybe the evil should be spread about a little bit more ta j th G vrme t a t g o e pasce, ye h ra o o croae h n u te oen n w ni t k e s n ertmab tee l f op rt s t interest here too. Mr. X: Oh I think so. I think it all hasis l i tg te. . a t d o eh r t le Jr :Wh t oyuti tea s eg i t b ? Weo lh v s yasiyu er y a d o hn h nw r o g o e k s n n ae i e r f o r y x , pe i i r h. rd t n i t co s g Mr. X: Well yeah, tea s eg i t b . h b po l i g i t b a te h nw r o g o e te i rb m s o g o e l h s n g e n l turmoil. People are given the opportunity to learn who they really are and where te cme rm a d , hy a f o n Jerry: In the worst-case scenario, you see huge amounts of death. Mr. X: Yeah, mass hysteria. Absolutely. Jerry: Do you see this Earth being shrunk from being from six and a half billion maybe to the Neocons say, a half a billion. Mr. X: Yeah. A half to one [billion] I think. Jerry: So that may happen. Mr. X: Uh-huh. And different parts of the world will be differently affected. I think countries like India where they are more spiritual and less .where the religions are more spiritual and less controlling Ih k h ylae etr .ti tefr b t . n l e Jerry: So the disaster will be controlled, in other words in your mind, the Earth is po a la a lg o pi a d h Es o l u d s o ta. rb b fiy o d re n te T w n e s et yh t y r z tt r Mr. X: No. Jerry: We might destroy each other. M . :Y a iw d s o e c oh rte p rX e h f e et y ah te,h yl robably just put more beings on the r l Earth. And probably different ones. Jerry: Really? Did you see any discussions about that? Mr. X: About? Jr : l me nte ry se t ti ta w te ce t n o e a o te er We I a h Gas e m o h k h t e e h i rai , n w y rh y l n r r o oh ra d d n w n to get into the technical part of it or religion and who created te, n I o a t t who, but they think that they had a big part in it. M . : e hw a rs b te n . e te si l k rX Y a , e e cos ew e ...h ye h mi n i . r t r sgn

Jr :Ddte h v d cme t ta si e, ema eamia e We should er i h y ae ou ns h t a ,H y w y d d s k. t h v d n smeh g l h r? ae o e o ti e e ee n s M . :N , ea s i a p ro tep n Ih kw j t i l . w n t rX o b cue t l at fh l . ti e e u s y i e e o l s a n r s mp ... f r evolved enough to take care of ourselves and survive, then we destroy ourselves and they find someplace else or some other beings to cross with them to make something else. Jr : o n u er S i smmayyu e e n ou ns h r ata y x aers i s x t y r o se d cme t w ee c l et tr ta ei. , v u l r e rl s Mr. X: Yes. Jr :A dl s f a cr a doh r rfa dyuh vn se a y v e c o a y er n o o sues n te cat n o ae e n n ei ne f n y t t d combat. Mr. X: No. Just our shooting at them or pursuing them but nothing shooting back. Jr :A dyuh vn se a y v e c ta te g i t d s o u, u te er n o ae e n n ei ne h th ye o g o et y sb th y y t d r n r may let us do part of the job. Mr. X: Yeah. Jr : ate sa e Wh t a w d a o t er Wh t h mesg ? a cn e o b u it? y s M . : d n ti tee a h lh c o a o w cn o b u i Isut rX I o h k h r w o ek f l e a d a o tt t j . t n s e t . s Jerry: Just tighten your seatbelts and go for the ride? M . :Y a , n s moep o l wt i omai cmeo t n tl Ih kis rX e h u l s r e p i n r t n o e e h f o u a d a . ti t k n imperative that people that are in the know tell the truth. Jerry: I appreciate your taking the time to talk to me. M . :t b e a l sr. rX Is e n p aue e Jerry: Okay thank you. This has been another installment in our Insider Disclosure Series. If you are an Insider and you want to go public, simply contact us at jerry@jerrypippin.com.