COATINGS

OCTOBER 2022
CONFIRMED

CONFIRMED MINUTES
OCTOBER 17- 20, 2022
PITTSBURGH, PA, USA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation
from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

MONDAY, 17-OCT-2022 to THURSDAY, 20-OCT-2022

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN/CLOSED

1.1 Call to Order/Quorum Check – Open/Closed

The Coatings Task Group (CTTG) was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 17-Oct-2022.

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion
of the meeting.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member, ** Indicates Alternate Voting

Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

* Mark Binfield Collins Aerospace (Goodrich) Vice Chairperson

* Sylvain Bolduc Airbus Canada Limited Partnership
* Calvin Chin Pratt & Whitney Canada
* Fabrice Crabos SAFRAN Group
** Daniel Everington Rolls-Royce
* Irena Gas GE Avio S.r.l.
Greg Goldhagen Collins Aerospace (Hamilton Sundstrand)
* Scott Jones GE Aviation
* Dan Loveless Parker Aerospace Group
* Dennis Meehan Pratt & Whitney
* Joel Mohnacky Collins Aerospace (Hamilton Sundstrand) Chairperson
Chris Reilly Collins Aerospace (Hamilton Sundstrand)
* Udo Schuelke Honeywell Aerospace
** Steven Starr Honeywell Aerospace

Other Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member, ** Indicates Alternate Voting

Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

James Adolf Hohman Plating

Paul Austin DIAMONEX
* Mettupalayam Balachander Delta Tech Ops
Ed Brooks Diamonex-Best Engineered Surface
Technology, LLC
Doug Campion Aero Turbine, Inc.
Mark Elliott Delta Air Lines, Inc.
Sheldon Emmanuel DCI Aerotech
Steve Ganske Gamma Aerospace
* Dale Harmon Cincinnati Thermal Spray Secretary
* Marty Hendricks Bodycote Surface Technology
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* Kazuhiko Kakinuma IHI Corporation

* Kevin Klingelhafer Meyer Tool, Inc.
* Kristen Larson Hitemco
** Roger Maragh Hitemco
Tyler Mckinlay Department of Defense Hill Air Force
Base
Manuel Mencia PCC North Hollywood
* Steve Payne Praxair Surface Technologies
Felix Perez Turbo Combustor Technology
* Nick Schumacher Hohman Plating, LLC
Junko Sumi IHI Corporation
* Vern Talmadge Howmet Aerospace - Thermatech
Coatings
* Dave Thompson DCI Aerotech
* Jeff Tomczak Techmetals
** Jeff Viney Metcut Research Inc. / Cincinnati Testing
Laboratories

PRI Staff Present

Justin Rausch
John Winne

1.2 Safety Information – Open/Closed

Safety information for the meeting, including the crisis and evacuation plans for the hotel, was
reviewed.

1.3 Review Code of Ethics and Meeting Conduct – Open/Closed

The Nadcap Code of Ethics and Meeting Conduct was referenced in the Attendees’ Guide.

1.4 Present the Antitrust Presentation – Open/Closed

The Nadcap Antitrust Policy was reviewed.

1.5 Review Agenda – Open/Closed

The agenda for the meeting was reviewed. No changes were proposed or made.

1.6 Expectations – Open

Expectations for the meeting were noted to be clarifying that Type P advisories and NCRs are
separate processes, review auditor Audit Criteria comments, top NCR discussion, FM1000
update, define mechanism to reach all suppliers to enhance knowledge of the Coatings Task
Group, and residual stress (the removal thereof from the Audit Criteria requirements).

1.7 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes – Open

Motion made by Udo Schuelke and seconded by Dennis Meehan to approve the minutes for June
2022 as written. Motion Passed.

2.0 REVIEW DELEGATION STATUS – CLOSED

Data was reviewed for CTTG Subscriber concurrence with Audit Report Reviewer decisions. The
delegated Audit Report Reviewers (Jim Lewis, Jim Doherty, and Justin Rausch) met the criteria of
over 10% of NCRs reviewed, greater than 90% concurrence, and a minimum of ten (10) audits
reviewed for the year. Their delegation is maintained.
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The non-delegated Audit Report Reviewers (Marcel Cuperman and John Winne) met the criteria
of 100% oversight for non-delegated review.

An historical review of prior non-delegated Reviewers (Jim Doherty, Justin Rausch, and John
Winne) was reviewed. The CTTG agreed to waive all or part of the initial delegation requirements
per OP1114 APP CT and delegate John Winne.

3.0 TASK GROUP RESOLUTION – CLOSED

There is no Task Group Resolution to review at this time.

4.0 TYPE P ADVISORIES – CLOSED

A report of the issued advisories was reviewed.

5.0 AUDITOR CONSISTENCY – CLOSED

5.1 Review Observation Plan

The 2022 Audit Observation Plan was reviewed. Two (2) observations were completed. One (1)
report was reviewed. The second report was unavailable and will be reviewed at the next
meeting. An Auditor was approved for Asia. An observation will need to be scheduled per the
Observation Plan.

ACTION ITEM: John Winne to send email requests to Sylvain Bolduc (Don Spriggs), Mark Binfield
(Francesco Siniscalchi), and Udo Schuelke (Paco Elizondo) requesting Auditor Observations.
(Due Date: 30-Nov-2022)

5.2 Review Auditor Consistency Data

Auditor consistency data was reviewed. The review included: individual Auditor evaluations and
Auditee feedback for all audits conducted between 01-Jan-2021 and 30-Sep-2022; peer
comparison of average number of NCRs written per audit day; comparison of the number of
NCRs written by an Auditor versus the number of NCRs by both the previous and following
Auditors; and influence of failure criteria on written NCRs per audit. Auditee Feedback comments
were good.

All feedback was positive.

No additional actions have been identified as part of the Auditor Consistency review.

5.3 Review Dashboard Metrics

The Coatings dashboard metrics through 30-Sep-2022 were reviewed by the CTTG.

Frequency of Auditor Consistency Data Review, Goal Annually: Green.

Auditee Feedback Question 16 is no longer reviewed.

6.0 EAUDITNET SUPPORT TRAINING FOR SUBSCRIBERS – CLOSED

The Nadcap Subscriber Tutorial and Subscriber Voting Members Training presentations were
reviewed.

7.0 VOTING MEMBER UPDATES AND COMPLIANCE WITH VOTING REQUIREMENTS – OPEN

 Subscriber Voting Member: UVM

 Supplier Voting Member: SVM
 Alternate: ALT
 Task Group Chairperson: CHR
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 Vice Chairperson: VCH

 Secretary: SEC

7.1 Compliance with Voting Requirements

Compliance with voting requirements per PD 1100 Nadcap Program Requirements was
reviewed.

All voting members were compliant with requirements.

7.2 New Voting Members

NAME COMPANY POSITION MEETINGS ATTENDED

NAME (new role) (Month/Year)

Bala Balachander Delta Air Lines SVM Feb 2022 Oct 2022
Irena Gas GE Avio S.R.L. UVM Jun 2022 Oct 2022
Kazuhiko Kakinuma IHI Corporation SVM Jun 2022 Oct 2022

7.3 Voting Membership Removed

NAME COMPANY BALLOT MEETING

NAME RESPONSE MET ATTENDANCE MET
(Y/N) (Y/N)

Tetyana Shmyreva Rolls-Royce Y Y

7.4 Changes to Voting Membership

NAME COMPANY POSITION

NAME (new / updated role)

Kristen Larson Hitemco NMC ALT SVM

7.5 Confirmation by Task Group Chair

Voting rights added, updated, and removed were confirmed by the Task Group Chairperson. All
additions and changes are pending completion of all required steps on the Nadcap Membership
Form (m-frm-1101).

8.0 METRICS – OPEN

8.1 NMC

The Nadcap Management Council (NMC) metrics through 30-Sep-2022 were presented and
reviewed by the CTTG.

On-Time Certifications, Goal 98% on-time: Green Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep (99%, 98%, 98%, 99%).

Supplier Merit, Action Target Level 80%: Green Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep (83%, 83%, 83%, 82%).

Cycle Time Jun 2022-Sep 2022

Total, Goal 53 days: Red Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep (67, 61, 65, 57 days).
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Staff, Goal 17 days: Red Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep (23, 22, 22, 23 days).

Auditee, Goal 28 days: Red Aug (32 days), Green Jun, Jul, Sep, (27, 24, 24 days).

9.0 NCR PARAGRAPH REFERENCE ANALYSIS – OPEN

Top NCR paragraph references issued by Audit Criteria for the period of 01-Oct-2021 through 30-
Sep-2022 were reviewed. Top NCRs included self-audit violations, calibrations, parameters not
fully defined, and processes not performed per instructions. The Audit Report Reviewer Insight
column was found to add value.

Further discussion regarding how to convey NCR analysis data to Auditees more effectively than
posting to eAuditNet occurred.

ACTION ITEM: John Winne to post Top NCRs on eAuditNet. (Due Date: 15-Dec-2022)

ACTION ITEM: John Winne to add the number of audits per Audit Criteria on the Top NCR List to
provide a better scope of the issues. (Due Date: 15-Dec-2022)

ACTION ITEM: John Winne to investigate the possibility of creating periodic webinars to review
the top NCRs for those Coatings Auditees who do not attend meetings. (Due Date: 31-Jan-2023)

10.0 SSC INTRODUCTION – OPEN

The Supplier Support Committee (SSC) and an overview of planned activities for the week were
reviewed.

11.0 ALTERNATE NMC SVM DISCUSSION – OPEN

Kristen Larson agreed to be CTTGs alternate representative to NMC. The request was brought to
the NMC Steering Committee. The Steering Committee approved the request.

12.0 SAE J442 ALMEN STRIP DISCUSSION – OPEN

The recent revision of SAE J442 adds Grade 1S strip and required locator pins. The CTTG
agreed there is no impact to the Audit Criteria.

13.0 REVIEW OF PROCEDURE CHANGES – OPEN

13.1 Changes to General Operating Procedures since the Last Meeting

There were no procedure changes made to review.

13.2 Changes to OP 1114 and OP 1116 CT Appendices since the Last Meeting

OP 1114 Appendix CT and OP 1116 Appendix CT were reviewed.

13.3 Review All Coatings Audit Criteria Agreements

The two existing agreements in place were reviewed. No changes were made.

ACTION ITEM: John Winne to identify the number of AC7109/5 Nadcap Audit Criteria for
Evaluation audits conducted by the Materials Testing Laboratories (MTL) TG to determine use at
materials testing labs. (Due Date: 15-Jan-2023)

14.0 INDUSTRY STANDARD CHAMPION REPORT – OPEN

The Coatings Industry Standard Watch List was reviewed. AMS 2750 Rev G is on the agenda as
a separate topic. ASTM E18-22 has new reporting requirements with no impact to Coatings Audit
Criteria.
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15.0 RAIL (ROLLING ACTION ITEM LIST) REVIEW – OPEN

The Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) was reviewed.

For specific details on all RAIL items, please see the current Coatings Rolling Action Item List
posted at www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.

ACTION ITEM: The Audit Response Sub-Team will meet to discuss how to further analyze the
NCR data from audits. (Due Date: 15-Dec-2022)

16.0 AUDITOR FEEDBACK FROM SUBSCRIBER COMPLETION OF TEMPLATES – OPEN

The Auditors concluded that there is no requirement for a list of specifications. A hierarchy flow
down of requirements is optimal.

ACTION ITEM: John Winne to review the Conventional Machining as a Special Process (CMSP)
Task Group Prime Reference Document to determine applicability as a template for CT. Either this
or a new template will be created and sent to Subscribers. (Due Date: 15-Dec-2022)

17.0 AMS 2750 REVISION G REVIEW – OPEN

The Task Group reviewed changes to AMS 2750 Rev G and the impact to AC7109/7 Nadcap
Audit Criteria for Heat Treating for Suppliers of Coatings. There were few technical changes from
Revision F to Revision G; all table references were re-sequenced.

Adding the termination of use of analog instruments after 30-Jun-2023 may be included in the
editorial change.

ACTION ITEM: John Winne to issue an Auditor Advisory that analog equipment used for
Pyrometry will no longer be permitted after 30-Jun-2023. (Due Date: 15-Dec-2022)

18.0 UPDATE TO STANDARD AGENDA ITEMS LIST – OPEN

The standard agenda items were reviewed. The Task Group added Top 3 NCRs to the list.

ACTION ITEM: John Winne to update CT agenda template to include Top 3 NCRs for all meetings.
(Due Date: 15-Dec-2022)

19.0 REVIEW OF STATUS FOR FUTURE AUDIT CRITERIA CHANGES – OPEN

There have been no new comments added to the Rolling Comments section in eAuditNet.
Subscribers, Suppliers, and Auditors can send comments to the Staff Engineer and request they
be added to the respective Audit Criteria.

There is an open RAIL item to determine if Rolling Comments can be added by the Task Group.

20.0 CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT INITIATIVE – OPEN

20.1 Coatings Task Group Common NCR Response Issues Sub-Team Report Out

The Common NCR Response Sub-Team reported on the status of the project. The “60 Ways”
document has been uploaded into eAuditNet as “Ineffective NCR Responses”. Upon review of the
Paragraph Analysis discussed in Topic 9.0 of the October 2022 meeting, the three buckets, Initial
Audits, Reaccreditation Audits, and New Auditee Contacts, can be collated from the same report.
The sub-team will report out at the February 2023 meeting.
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20.2 Review Project List

The project list was reviewed. Two new projects were added: Defining a Method for Reviewing
Audit Criteria, and Improve Method of Communication and Encouragement of Supplier Task
Group Engagement.

20.3 Develop New Project Charter

A new project charter titled Suppler Engagement was developed. A sub-team has been created
and will meet after the Staff Engineer confirms that the Task Group can conduct Task Group-
specific webinars designed to further engage the Suppliers.

ACTION ITEM: The Audit Response Sub-Team will meet to discuss how to further analyze the
NCR data from audits. (Due Date: 15-Dec-2022)

ACTION ITEM: John Winne to present webinar concept in next NOps meeting. (Due Date:
15-Nov-2022)

ACTION ITEM: The Supplier Engagement Sub-Team will review the Coatings Task Group
Overview Presentation and revise as necessary to make suitable for the initial webinar. (Due Date:
15-Feb-2023)

21.0 FM1000 DISCUSSION – OPEN

GE Aerospace has identified two (2) potential options to replace FM1000 in testing: Solvay
FM309-1, and Henkel Loctite EA9658. GE suppliers will need to comply with E50TF60 for
demonstrating their process to meet the tensile requirements.

22.0 AUDIT CRITERIA [CHECKLIST] REVISION – OPEN

Audit Criteria AC7109/7 Nadcap Audit Criteria for Heat Treating for Suppliers of Coatings,
AC7109/4 Nadcap Audit Criteria for Stripping of Coated Material, and AC7109/6 Nadcap Audit
Criteria for Plating of Coated Parts were reviewed for revision. Editorial changes will be made to
AC7109/7 Nadcap Audit Criteria for Heat Treating for Suppliers of Coatings. Minor clarifications
were noted in AC7109/4 Nadcap Audit Criteria for Stripping of Coated Material. The Audit Criteria
will be revised and sent for ballot.

23.0 OCTOBER 2022 AUDITOR CONFERENCE FEEDBACK DISCUSSION – OPEN

AC7109 Nadcap Audit Criteria for Coatings will be revised to require control of emissivity and
Infrared Gun resolution. A reference to AMS2448 Paragraph 3.4.3.4 was noted. Items from the
Auditors were noted in Rolling Comments.

ACTION ITEM: John Winne to review possibility of using MS Teams or Google Chat for Auditor
communication. (Due Date: 15-Jan-2023)

24.0 SSC REPORT – OPEN

A report on the SSC meeting was provided.

25.0 NMC, AQS, AND PLANNING & OPS REPORTS – OPEN

Summaries of the NMC and Planning & Ops meetings were reviewed.

26.0 NEW BUSINESS – OPEN

There was some discussion on the fact that Type P advisory responses are different from NCR
responses.
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BEST Engineered Surface Tech (dba as Diamonex) is requesting a way for Diamond-Like
Carbon (DLC) coating process to be accredited by the CTTG. An overview of the process was
presented. There are six (6) different processes that can be used, and other Nadcap-accredited
Coatings suppliers also apply this coating.

Some Auditees with Virtual Verification Audits (VVA) scheduled are having difficulty finding
copies of obsolete Audit Criteria for their self-audits when an Audit Criteria has been revised but
they are still certified to the old revision. Solutions include downloading the previous audit and
using that Audit Criteria or contacting PRI Task Group Coordinator to get an old revision sent.

ACTION ITEM: Jeff Tomczak and Diamonex to review AC7109/2 Nadcap Audit Criteria for Vapor
Deposited Coatings to see if it covers the DLC process or needs revision to accommodate the
process and report to John Winne for Task Group review at the February 2023 meeting. (Due
Date: 15-Jan-2023)

ACTION ITEM: John Winne to email Auditees with scheduled VVAs to share guidance on finding
obsolete versions of Audit Criteria. (Due Date: 15-Jan-2023)

27.0 MEETING CONCLUSION – OPEN

27.1 Review Expectations

All expectations expressed earlier in the week were met.

27.2 Meeting Summary

A brief summary of key decisions was provided.

27.3 Agenda Items for Next Meeting

The next meeting will be 27-Feb-2023 to 02-Mar-2023 in Garden Grove, California, United States.
Proposed agenda items beyond the standard items include: FM1000 epoxy replacement update,
review ASTM C633 reference to FM1000, how to incorporate Diamond-Like Carbon process into
AC7109/2 Nadcap Audit Criteria for Vapor Deposited Coatings Audit Criteria, Top 3 NCRs across
all Audit Criteria for the last 6 months (separate VVA data), update on Auditor Capacity metric /
Auditor retention, Continuous Improvement report (Coatings Task Group webinar on Task Group
Overview), AC7109/6 Nadcap Audit Criteria for Plating of Coated Parts and AC7109 Nadcap
Audit Criteria for Coatings Audit Criteria revision, audit failure criteria, and Task Group Program
Documents review for possible updates.

27.4 Review New Action Items

New action items were documented. For details, see the Coatings Rolling Action Item List (RAIL)
posted at www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.

27.5 Meeting Feedback

Meeting feedback was provided by attendees. A suggestion was made that a summary of the
Closed Meeting be provided at the start of the Opening Meeting. John Winne is doing a great job
as the new Staff Engineer. Good discussions and engagement by all attendees. It was noted that
while the meeting went at an appropriate pace little time was left to thoroughly review AC7109/6
Nadcap Audit Criteria for Plating of Coated Parts Audit Criteria.

ADJOURNMENT – Meeting adjourned 20-Oct-2022 at 11:00 a.m.

Motion made by Udo Schuelke and seconded by Joel Mohnacky to adjourn the meeting. Motion
Passed.
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Minutes Prepared by: Dale Harmon, dharmon@cts-inc.net

John Winne, jwinne@p-r-i.org

***** For PRI Staff use only: ******

Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting?
(select one)

YES* NO ✘

*If yes, the following information is required:

Documents requiring revision: Who is responsible: Due date: