that's why i feel my work has helped so many people who have had sicknesses and diseases

some of which have been chronic,

because as soon as they let go of the internal mechanism that creates that dis-ease and they
find peace then their external physiology eventually is given the permission to actually heal
itself and miracles literally do happen

why do so many of us these days seem to struggle with negative thoughts and anxiety

well i mean what's going on in the world that certainly hasn't helped the issue right like there's
just an immense amount of uncertainty right now and any organism's primordial imperative

is to survive right so let's just start there so what does that mean in plain english

as human beings our predominant fear is for our own existence right

so we want to perpetuate our living and so anything that is a

perceived as a potential threat to that is going to inspire fear so if we look at anxiety on a

spectrum

there's going to be these bed fellows apprehension concern worry fear they're sort of

they're all bad fellows of anxiety right sort of as a broad umbrella term and they all speak to
our

perception of a future that really is undesirable right one of the quotes i use i say most

people are trying to avoid a bad future that hasn't happened yet so that that perception that
projection

the brain which is designed to predict and protect is is creating an illusion of a future

that is undesirable to one's existence now that could be truly an esoteric

conversation existential or it could be like i'm going to get in trouble with the boss or my wife
is going to be mad at me but

it's not really a threat to our literal existence but to the ego there's a perception that

something quote bad is going to happen and so in present time there's an apprehension about
that

and then there's as i said there's a gradient of like panic attacks and terror to anxiety to

fear there's different iterations of that concern for the future that ironically our own brain is

creating that's the madness right so i i have complete compassion for people who struggle
with anxiety i'm actually
doing a workshop on anxiety this coming saturday and i want people to understand it's

self-generated so to answer your question why well because as mammals as humans we want
to

exist and the brain is sort of designed to look out for anything

sort of potentially going to threaten that and so there's this mild unrest

where we feel like ooh you know something could go down where my life is going to be in

jeopardy it's primal at the deepest level it's a primal way that we just try to survive the

quintessential sabertooth tiger out there that might take our life when we go out to get food
except now

you're going to tescos to pick up some bread you know you're not going to probably get
mauled by a

saber-toothed tiger but you might run into someone who you don't get along with and you
don't want to have to deal with that sort of

disagreement energy anxiety then at its core

or fear i should say at its core is there to protect us so if we are in real physical danger we
want

fear right we want that as a protective response so that we can change our behavior

take a verse of action so that what we think may happen doesn't happen i guess it's when we

start to utilize that same mechanism that same way of

thinking when the threat actually just isn't real it's this imagine threats

in the future and that's why i love that quote you know we're trying to prevent this future and
we're getting anxious in the present

about a future that hasn't yet happened yet so many people do that so

how do you help people in that situation so first of all awareness of the pattern

to to recognize that that is the tendency of a human being and especially when somebody's
had

you know some past traumas right which fill in the it's every human being everybody's going

to have gone through their version of something to the extremes of physical abuse sexual

abuse which is of course abhorrent and awful to maybe somebody who just wasn't picked for
the footy
team and they felt left out right but it to a child it's traumatic and so the brain whenever again
one of

my quotes which i know you're familiar with i say past hurt informs future fear so wherever
we've

had any past hurts then the brain is going to go well that sucked i don't want to do that again
i'm

going to make sure that i can personally manage and control my environment such that i
mitigate the

repetition of the thing that hurts right which seems very logical unfortunately it's really

not because what happens is we tend to perpetuate the very thing we're trying to avoid
because we're actually in the

energy of it we haven't reconciled it so when i'm helping people i'm really cleaning up their
history

so that they're no longer using that as evidence to project into a future possible

repetition of something that hurt them right so like i take one of my nba

players basketball who had the worst league i think i spoke about him on the first podcast he
did

but he had the worst league average in terms of free throw shooting at

the league average is so it's not even of that like it's half of the average

and so what was happening in his brain because it's for an athlete who's being paid millions of
dollars to

perform it's it's embarrassing it's you know he felt guilt and shame and all of these things that
human beings do

everything we can to avoid so when he's standing there his brain is like well make sure you
don't miss again

because that really hurts but now he's actually put himself into a position of

a preemptive failure which for an athlete is kryptonite because now he's tense and he's
worried

which doesn't allow him to perform from the place that he does effortlessly when he's relaxed
so

it's really it becomes self-fulfilling this is when people talk about this self-fulfilling prophecy
of the mind is
well if we worry about a fear then we tend to actually live from a place energetically with a
frequency that is

the precursor to it so that you know that's where we you know we attract

the very thing that we're trying to avoid ironically until such time that we get to a place where
we can go oh my

gosh i'm just living from history and my hurts and fears are the byproduct of things that i

haven't fully accepted in my life so to answer your question first thing is the awareness of the
pattern secondly compassion it's okay you're

human you're you know it's not a human being on the planet who doesn't have some kind of
fear it's okay

you know if you're a parent you understand if if the kid is if your child is scared you you hold
a

space for them you don't berate them or you don't judge them and go that's stupid you know
you you have compassion you're

like it's okay come here you would hold them you'd give them a hug you'd reassure them right
so that's what we

want to do for ourselves is recognize oh okay it's just a primal pattern in me where i'm trying
to avoid something that

could hurt me that's you know survival as you said but it's unnecessary because i'm

the one creating the illusion of the future that i'm now trying to avoid when you when you see
that part it

becomes kind of comical you've got one brain like if you really break it down one brain
projecting

a future that you don't want and then the same brain that created the illusory

future is now trying to avoid it yeah i mean when you really see that

it becomes borderline comical i tell people you can't help but laugh when you realize the only
thing

upsetting you is your own imagination

what i love about your approach and our on our previous conversations

peter is you you really help bring an awareness

to people and i think that awareness is is such a

crucial and critical set because until we get that awareness we're sort of walking around with
blindfolds on

we sort of are at the mercy of other people and other things around us influencing the way we
act and we kind

of feel that if the world around us changed if the people around us changed and behaved in a
different way we'd be

okay yeah when you get to that point

i i'd like to think i did a few years back where you realize that that is not the case at all that is
a myth that you have

created inside your brain it is freedom and and i can see why you say that the main product
you

offer people is freedom i'd love you to sort of define what do you mean by freedom

because i think if you asked people on the street would you like to be free they say yeah but i
guess those

people might have a different definition of what freedom really means so what does it mean to
you

they also might think that they already are therein lies the real conundrum right because you
go up to joe

blow on the street and say you know are you free they'll be like well yeah like you know
they're under the impression

from a conscious perspective meaning the conscious thinking they have that they have free
will that they you

know if they want to go to work they go to work if they want to go to the pub they go to the
pub like they're under the impression that

because they have some illusion of choice that they're free what i'm pointing to and you
articulated

it beautifully is that one of the biggest illusions of a human being is that our experience is
generated from

circumstance so it therefore if so factor it's only sensical that if we think we

feel the way we feel because of what's going on well then what are we going to do we're
going to try and control what's

going on because that's the precursor to how we feel and we want to feel good but that's
exhausting there's no
freedom there at all that's called victim of circumstance right so my product what i mean
about freedom

to quote krishnamurti who was one of my sort of teachers when i was very young and i found
his books

he'd already passed he's sort of an old traditional indian guru and um he had a beautiful quote
he said

this is my secret i don't mind what happens and you know there's if you can really

feel into the energy of that it's incredibly liberating now i i've i've got an addendum to that i

say yeah i don't mind what happens and i have a personal preference right so i can get to a
place where yeah i'm okay

with the fact that whatever's going on is going on and if i don't have any direct control over
that then it's a

futile endeavor for me to just grapple with something that's not in my immediate

zone of some sort of responsibility so that's where we want to reconcile and surrender and go

okay well it is the way it is it's not like i don't want my flight to be cancelled for example

and that it's going to have the ramifications of now i'm going to be late for my meeting
wherever i'm flying

to or i'll miss my connection or whatever it is i don't want that to happen but if i'm sitting

at the gate in an airport and just getting really bent out of shape that's all self-inflicted now i'm
a

victim of circumstance versus to stay centered to stay at peace to have a much

bigger understanding of the universe as a whole and the things that are unfolding are in
accordance with how things are

unfolding and not to be in a state of resistance to that is what elicits the internal experience

of freedom i'm no longer at the mercy of what's unfolding

in fact we never were that's the irony we think we're you know i'm upset because the missus

said something or i'm upset because my family did something or i'm upset because i lost some
money on

the stock market no none of that ever affected anyone it didn't what affected us is our reaction
to it
so it's still us so i'm helping people transcend that world of self-inflicted suffering

under the guise of the illusion of that it was the external world that was the instigator

of your suffering no it looked that way but it never was and once you see the truth which is
wow

i am a hundred percent responsible for the experience of my life i'm the one generating how i
feel

then why would anybody with an ounce of intelligence want to generate suffering

they wouldn't and that's freedom yeah it it's sort of beyond intelligence though isn't it because
you're right people

when they hear that they they don't want to generate their own suffering yet they often still do

and it's it's not it's not because there's not a desire to change it because ultimately we create
the

narrative we can write the story that we want to write about that event that just happens

and you know why not choose a story that that kind of sits well with us and keeps us relaxed

and calm and you know i think that plain example the plane being late or the train being late

or the bus being like whatever it is right i think it's a really good example because it's a very
tangible

kind of day-to-day event that affects a lot of people so if we just use that example i don't
know

if you've had an experience with this recently or not but what can someone do in that

situation so you know they're waiting for they're waiting on the train they're waiting for the
train to take them into london

because they've got a meeting but the trains canceled because if road travel works or whatever
works railworks

i should say yeah and so like man i'm going to miss my meeting and then you can actually
feel that stress start to build up in

your body as that is happening so in that moment yeah what can someone do to kind of

change the narrative and stop that uh lack of ease building up inside themselves

uh great question so first of all what you said is like to feel like the primal reaction to that
right
like you can feel the stress you might get a little sweaty in the armpits the brain starts to
ruminate a little

bit more you're trying to figure out solutions it's a mild form of panic right panic is

a strong word but really viscerally biologically we go into a state of mild panic so why

well the subtext of the reaction is that there's going to be some sort of pending

doom right in late terms there's this feeling that it's not going to work out like whatever it is
that we think we need to

get we we're we're putting the future in a context of concern that

whatever the intention is going to work or going to a job interview or meeting you know
maybe you've got a

hot date you're on the way to and you're not going to be there on time there's this feeling
fundamentally of

the experience of loss which for a human being is very scary because it fights the

primal instinct to feel secure right we want to feel held we

want to feel safe and when something in any way intervenes potentially with what we

think is going to give us that security and we think about all the things that give us security
like money is a big one

job security financial security even a relationship having sort of some sort of love or

companionship as a form of security so when there's any perceived threat that could pull any
of those things away

then the primal urge in us is like oh no i'm not going to be okay now

to notice that pattern and realize it's illusory it you feel that way but as i tell

nearly everyone your feelings are a lousy indicator of truth right just because you feel that
way

it's not what's going to happen so if you're sitting there and maybe you're you know a little bit
nervous you're on the way to a job

interview and it means a lot to you because certainly with what's been going on in the world
maybe you've been

laid off made redundant or something and you're feeling the pressure of paying rent or your
mortgage and providing for

your family these are all very real situations and so going to the interview means a
lot to you so wherever we put more significance we're actually also leaving ourselves more
vulnerable right wherever

we put more importance on something we're actually creating more potential

resistance right so once we see that go okay this means so much to me i really need this

job well then if the train's cancelled then the cancellation is like magnified right because
there's the

significance to the event itself which appears like it's not going to work now

what could someone do in that situation well first of all you just got to deal with reality right
which is you can't just like click

your fingers and you know sort of like alice in wonderland or something up here at the

interview site you know you just got to deal with it maybe you get out the underground and
you get a cab

and or maybe the next train is only going to be minutes i don't know and you'd be responsible

you maintain integrity so you would call the person the company that you're going for an
interview and say

you know i really apologize for the inconvenience i'm on my way unfortunately a train has
been cancelled

this really means a lot to me i hope that we can you know reschedule for minutes from

now you know you don't know how that's going to be met when you come from an authentic
place they might find that to be the

most important part of your interview process because of the way you dealt with it so

you could energetically say that's actually the best thing that ever happened because i can
display to this

potential employer responsible i am and the degree of integrity i have that i'm going to

communicate to you and let you know that yes life happens but i'm handling it gracefully

and hopefully that bodes well for you looking at me as a potential employee where there can
be stressful situations

but i'm already displaying before i even get to the interview site that i can handle these things
so it

could through reframing be the best part of your day that it got cancelled and you were able to
demonstrate the ability
that you have to have integrity responsibility and authenticity and therefore you got the job
before you

even got there right that's that's how my brain works is everything is an opportunity and it
reminds me in kanji you know

which is the japanese symbols the word for um challenge and

opportunity it's the same symbol love it yeah but it's just it's so

like just the energetics of understanding that is so okay it looks like something bad happened
in my world nothing ever bad happens

just something happens and then it's the way that we choose to reframe it yeah i love that and
if we play that

story out even further and i think the key the key thing there for me was you know having
integrity and coming

from a place of authenticity when you call up that person to reschedule or explain what's
happened

and yeah that could be the best part of the interview process but let's say the people who you
have an interview

with didn't like that and they said no no we're not going to do it if you can't show up on time
then you can also continue that

narrative oh i got the opportunity to stress test this company and see how they

handle some very basic simple things in life this didn't go the way

i planned it to and that's how they responded i'm glad i know now that i didn't go and sign up
for that company

do you know what i mean this there's possibilities yeah there's there's a myriad of different
ways that we can

interpret it but as i'm saying the the fundamental subtext i want people to understand is

that regardless of what happens your life's taken care of and that's the subtext that allows you

to sink into surrender with a really profound sense of trust now it's not a knowing you don't
know

what's going to happen it's an energetic experience where like i joked i think even again on
our first

podcast like i'm a trust fund baby not you know my parents both died when i was very young i
wasn't left
one penny because whatever money my dad had which was a much went to a stepmother

and yeah i trust the universe i like when things in my personal life my

subjective wants and not wants don't unfold as i would like

i still trust that okay even though i wanted something and it didn't happen the fact that it didn't
manifest is in

ways that i don't understand still for my benefit right that's the profound deeper sense

of like trust that things are unfolding in a way that little old me i don't fully understand

yet i am still the beneficiary of and that gives people internal sense

of calm and peace i'm totally on board with that but i

suspect there'll be some people who push back against a thought like that they think

what do you mean that i just need to trust that everything's working out the way that it is you
know i'm i'm struggling to make my ends you

know i'm struggling to make ends meet you know i don't have the job of my dreams i see
everyone around me crushing it at life and i'm kind of

struggling what do you mean everything's sort of panning out the way it was meant to and i i
guess that sort of dovetails

into something else which is coming out in this conversation something i've heard you say
before that we are

responsible for our lives but what would you say to those people who

sort of push back a bit and go you know it's all right for you buddy but i wasn't born into i
don't know

money opportunity i didn't go to a great school yeah do you know what i mean because i
guess is that something you hear a lot

with your work or do you is that the pushback that if if you ever get any pushback would you
say that is one of

those things um i don't get a lot of it but i mean i totally understand your point and it's

very valid that people feel that way but equally for those people who don't know my story you
know i didn't even have

parents i wasn't left a penny i wasn't born into money you know so it's not like it's a an excuse
you know like for sure if you look at a trust on baby and who whoever it is like literally like
the paris hilton's and the

whatever people who've got stacks of cash yeah if they sit there and they espouse about

oh don't worry like yeah that comes across as a bit disingenuous you know because it's like
well duh

you know you've never had to freaking lift a finger you know i've done i've done it all you
know like working in a waiter like

hoping that i get pence tip or you know it's like the whole thing you know so

so it's a valid concern first of all i really always want to acknowledge people's reality

but it's nonetheless inaccurate so we have to redefine what it is it means

to be human and what everyone's after right so with the person who's struggling they don't
have the job of their dreams maybe they don't have money

they weren't left anything whatever their validation is for their woe

they're under the impression that their happiness uh like we started this conversation is

dependent on their circumstance but it still goes back to the same point that you're a victim of
circumstance

but the happiness the true happiness which again i shared on your for your podcast is the

absence of the pursuit of happiness or the absence of the search for happiness right so it's not
dependent on my circumstances

my joy and my inner peace is not because of something it's my own semblance of

centeredness and self-acceptance regardless of circumstance that ironically is the precursor to

everything changing around me so the person who's pushing back a little bit to this

previous conversation that we were on they're just showing the resistance they

have the fight that is in them relative to their life circumstances

that itself ironically is the foundation of their suffering right so their

argument for why they're not happy is the actual precursor to why they're not happy

right do you know byron katie she's um yeah so she's a lovely you know i i'm

not that familiar with her work but i've heard some of her quotes and one that comes to mind
that i really like
she says you know when you fight life you lose but only a hundred percent of the time

right so if someone's in disagreement with anything including me i'm an expression of life

in their view right now they're listening to this podcast they're listening to the conversation
and they're like nah this guy's full of

[ __ ] like well that i'm just saying something it's not like it's gospel i'm just sharing my

opinion and hopefully you know as a man who cares with a big heart who's sensitive i'm just
trying to change people's lives for the better

and if someone doesn't like that well okay i you know that's fine you can listen to somebody
else but your

resistance to what i'm saying is your suffering it's not because i'm saying something

you know there's there's a great line in the third matrix uh which i'm sure you're familiar with

the trilogy um and theme of the day that's our trilogy with you and me today

but in the third one um the zion which is the the headquarters for

the quote-unquote free souls like neo from the you know keanu reeves character where all the
people have been freed out

of the matrix right where they're in this sort of mental psychotic illusion where again

like we're talking about they think that their life is all about success and fame and you know
the corner office and status

and all of this um they they are being under attack from

the machines so everybody has to retreat to zion which is sort of at the center of the

world or wherever it is and for that reason all the ships have to come back to defend

their home and when morpheus laurence fishburne's character comes back he

meets with the head of defense and there's this contentious relationship between them as part
of

hollywood but you know the head of defense basically lets morpheus have it he said i told

everybody they've got to bring their ships back we've got to defend zion and morpheus has
left his ship

out in the matrix so he can communicate with the oracle who's basically the fortune teller

because he wants to know the fate of the world and is neo gonna save everyone is he the
chosen one
right so the head of defense says damn it morpheus not everyone believes

what you believe and morpheus says my beliefs do not require them to

now it's a very powerful line right because what he's saying like the head of defense talking
about you leaving the

ship there because you want to you believe in the one and whatever he's like not everyone
believes what you believe but

morpheus is so grounded in his beliefs that it doesn't matter what other people

believe do you see yeah and that to me is such such a powerful stance for somebody to be in

where i'm not at the effect of other people's opinions so i can listen to anybody tell anything

from catholicism to buddhism if it's religion or it's politics

i listen from a place of they're just sharing their opinion so i'm no longer at the mercy of

something and this is where people's egos are very fragile and where people get into fights in
relationships because

somebody says blah blah blah and their blah blah blah doesn't fit with the other person's blah
blah blah

belief and now they fight versus no you do okay you have at it believe whatever you want to
believe you

know if you think that you're going to come back as some goddess or a queen or that you
lived in past lives there's like

this knight in shining armor and well you believe that lada yeah i mean good luck to you have
at it

you know let's see how it works who am i to tell you how to live your life i mean relationships
are something that

you know they they make the world go round right relationships with other people that's who
we are you said earlier in this conversation

that the amount of importance you put on something you

almost put the more importance you put on it the more vulnerable you become because the
more kind of attached i

guess you are to the outcome of however you're sort of

showing up in that realm so let's say in the relationship realm yes you know you really value
your
partner and therefore everything in that interaction means so much more to you but it means if
you're not careful you can

also be very vulnerable to feeling really bad and getting really upset with things

yeah because of how that goes down and i wanted to talk about relationships today you know
through the lens

through which you look at the human experience yeah what are some of these common

patterns that come up in relationships that end up causing so much conflict

um i mean great question and they're these very primal pans where fundamentally as human
beings we want to

be loved and accepted that's really what it comes down to and so when we're in a relationship
with

someone who we're under the assumption has chosen us you know if it's a wife or a partner or
a husband or whatever

or even family you know there's this sort of unwritten rule that well you know you love me
and then if they display any

behaviors that are in conflict with that then we feel threatened again right so we're putting

a lot of the onus on people around us to provide the security

and the reassurance and the sense of self-worth for us but that's that is a very

slippery slope i literally helped two clients yesterday and today this morning briefly

who are struggling with the fact that a relationship they're in has fallen apart and their partner
is now already with

somebody else and it's really triggering in them

they're feeling that they're not loved but as i explained to them that was there before you even
met that

person that was your karma because you had your relationship with your mom or your dad

where you felt that you weren't the chosen one you weren't as special as a sibling or you know
your dad was a

little bit absent or your mom didn't quite give you enough attention you know every

it's such a big topic because every human being has got their version of trauma it's just most
people don't really look
it's just become baked into their personality you know personality meaning your

personal reality is now an extension of what you went through as a child the trials and

tribulations the hurts and the failures and the disappointments sort of get baked into who you
think you

are so that now when you're an adult and you're in a relationship if there's anything that has
any sort of

semblance of what you went through as a child where you felt dismissed you felt unwanted
you felt you did something

wrong you felt like you weren't valuable or special wherever you feel your partner do the
same

boom straight comes up that hurt from your childhood that's the power of relationship really

as far as i'm concerned is to reveal those things within us that have yet to be reconciled

that's the beauty now of course most people don't look at it that way so they just fight and they
throw spatulas and

frying pans and you know talk to my lawyer and you know use the kids as bargaining

tools or whatever it is i mean it's pretty ugly but yes relationships are beautiful and

i'm all about companionship and love and having fun and intimacy and meeting people and
traveling the world but

really as far as i'm concerned relationships of the conduit for our own spiritual evolution to
reconcile where

we're still trapped based on our past traumas

and those relationships could be relationships with anyone not just anyone partner our

friends the person at the shop the your boss your work colleague i guess and and what

i'm hearing and something i i strongly believe is that in many ways

the people around us can be our therapists if we look at them in that way you know

i'm not saying it's the same as going to see a therapist right i understand uh that you know that
there's different

skill set there but in some ways you can look at it look i'm being presented on a

daily basis on a weekly basis areas that i'm not okay with and if i look at

it if i choose to sort of come into my power and not make myself a victim i can
actually start to work on some of these things yeah through the relationship this way

of thinking puts the individual in the driver's seat of their life

there's nothing worse than feeling that you are a victim to circumstance that if the train came
on time i'd be happier

if my wife behaved in a certain way i'd be happier if my mom didn't do that i'd be happier

yeah a b c d you know go to go to zed and start again

it's you're a prisoner aren't you it's in that story that i choose to tell myself

that i get my power and that i get my freedom right yeah when you realize hang on a minute

i'm the one generating my own experience of life like i'm literally creating how i feel that is

empowering and i'm not a victim of circumstance i don't need my my mom i don't need my

mother-in-law i don't need my boss i don't need my spouse i don't need my children to act in a
certain way for me to be okay

that's the fundamental lie the humans are telling themselves is that i can only be okay

when everything is in accordance to my subjective view like if you really break that down

it's completely nonsensical first of all it's completely audacious it's like i didn't get the memo
that

rangan's in charge of the universe and how everybody should be like it's preposterous like and
if you

are then i didn't get the email that told me and if if that's the case then let me know how i'm
supposed to behave for you

yeah it's like it's just it's comical to realize wow and again there's compassion

right it's not like you oh you idiot you've always been responsible for your life

it's like no it's okay wake up and realize oh yeah why do i have to get so upset because

you know my mother-in-law left the milk on the different like you know shelf in the fridge
that i

don't like it there it's like really is that is that really upsetting me or is it a deeper sense of
feeling not

respected or not seen which reminds me of when i was a child and i never got that sort of
acknowledgement from my dad
and it's really the same energy that's just manifesting now as a year old and through my
mother-in-law not putting

the milk in the right position you you know but that's empowering to go wow that that's so
childish because really

when you break it down without judgment it's always childish when people get upset it's it's
like an adult

tantrum that people have you know they sulk you know they just use different language they'll
curse

but really it's like you're having a tantrum you know you're sulking [Laughter]

peter i've been on a um i guess you would call it a self-growth

journey for a number of years now for me i think it really started when my dad died

um just over eight years ago now okay and i feel that certainly my

experience has been there's multiple stages on that journey um it's an evolution

and i just feel these days mate so much happier so much calmer beautiful i

i i kind of just don't feel this tension that i think has always driven me in the

past i i'm just much more i think i'm i'm able to be in the present much more than i used to be
i'm very

accepting of the way life is and and not trying to wish it was another way and occasionally

if i do i'll catch it now early i'll be like oh okay here we go you're trying you're trying to play
the old record i

thought i'd got rid of that record but it's kind of yeah this situation is me wanting to

play that record so i yeah i feel you know we've had three conversations right this the

i mean i know we've been out and had dinner and hung out as well but we've had three
conversations on the podcast

and yeah it can always be a risky thing to ask but

you know i don't know what would you having had three pretty deep and lengthy
conversations with me

what is what is your reading off me you know is is it possible to make a reading off

me from these conversations you know i don't want to put you on your spot or if you don't
feel you've got enough information but
yeah i'm intrigued as to what you might say about some of my traits um yeah for sure i'm

always happy to share i mean it's typically when somebody's sharing something they're
dealing with so you're sort of coming in from a different angle

which is where you're saying that you're actually not dealing with too much right like i when
i'm helping people it's invariably because

they're struggling with something right but again i've known you for a while

and you gave me a few tells more so in our first podcast if you remember you're talking about
some of your friends and

i sort of broke down some of your language and it was just your way of speaking that
reinforced what i'd want

to point out for you today which is the only thing i feel in you is that you're a little bit overly

self-conscious now what that means is when someone's self-conscious

they're aware of themselves now the only reason somebody would have to do

that is that they have some underlying it can be subtle it can be really severe but there's mild

concern about the way that they are or aren't going to be accepted by their

environment so the fact that i know you know with your heritage

you know your authenticity perhaps you know i've worked with a lot of people who were
perhaps of a different

religion or a different skin tone and they were in an environment a community a school you
know perhaps like one of my friends

from south america he went to an all-white jewish school and so he was quote he stood out
like a sore thumb and for

that reason he was bullied and and it made him feel very conscious of

his heritage so the energy of self-consciousness is

where you in your programming again just from my read will have had moments where you
were

very aware of yourself and how others perceived you right and

potentially usually in a position where you might have been made fun of or bullied or stood
out

or you know the opposite not not belong didn't fit in and so when that's part of somebody's
history the brain tends to become a little bit too active and too sensitive what i call

hyper vigilant so you're a smart guy you're well educated you're intelligent

but i feel you're using those resources a little bit too much in regards to making sure that

you know you're not rocking the boat am i okay here did i say anything to offend anybody

do you like me like that realm which when you tap into it maybe even as

i'm saying it you know you're you'll say whether it resonates or not you know it can be
draining to the

system because what you're actually saying is i don't accept me i'm sort of hoping you do so
that i can

feel relaxed but that's not a powerful place to be that's still the mild victim of

circumstance where you're basically overly self-aware and so there's you're attending to your

safety in an environment it might not feel like safety you know you're not going to be stabbed
or anything but that's how it occurs at the primal level

is like oh you know as human beings we want to belong and wherever in your history you've
had a sense of perhaps

not belonging now you become hyper sensitive to that so now as an adult even though

consciously you know it doesn't make sense viscerally at a deep subconscious level you're like
oh

you know i i hope i'm not saying anything to offend anyone i hope i get accepted in this group
i hope they

like me and that energy is a disservice to you

and to others because it makes a little bit of a block there's a little bit of a barrier

energetically between you and others because you're actually in a relationship with your own
concern

about what others think about you versus just being with others whether they like you or not

so that's that's that's sort of what i think yeah well first of all i

appreciate you going there and i appreciate you um sharing your thoughts on that you know

how to respond to that i think there's a lot of truth to that i can you know she was saying it i
definitely

felt it uh i yeah i definitely with my rational brain

know that that has been a pattern uh my rational brain feels that it's a lot better than it

used to be like for sure significantly better like if it was a hundred percent before

in my rational brain again i'm using the word rational brain very carefully

because i think we can overthink things sometimes i feel yeah i i overthink things i certainly
have that

tendency i kind of feel it's about now if it was but it's very hard for us to see things

ourselves right sometimes it takes somebody else to actually shine a light on an area and
there's

something about what you said yeah i felt it in my body right so

that's a pretty good sign that hey there's something there and yeah i want to thank you for that
because it's

in it's a gift isn't it it's a gift to me so yeah look maybe maybe sort of sit with that

thought later you know really feel into that because i guess i thought i'm sort of close to pretty
much being

over that but you're feeling that it's it's still there and i guess as you say it

i think i do too mate if i'm honest yeah which i really appreciate you know like because

the the irony of whatever our constraint is it's the last thing we want to reveal so here you are
we're on a podcast

hopefully hundreds of thousands maybe millions of people one day will get to see this and so
you asked me to contribute but

you're putting yourself in the hot seat a little bit so first of all i acknowledge your
vulnerability but secondly i really acknowledge the

fact that you can acknowledge what i said you know because it's like yeah yeah that really
kind of hit home like i'm a

bit self-conscious like i'm worried what people think about me first of all if you were to say
that

there's not one person on the planet who couldn't resonate with that they're like well yeah of
course he does he's human i

i have that he knows like everyone can go oh yes i feel the same and and it's okay

that's the beautiful thing is that you're a sensitive caring guy it's actually kind of a it's a form
of acknowledgement really is
that you're that concerned about what people think about you that's that's a nice trait i'm just
inviting

you to recognize you don't have to be just know you're a good guy like because i was that that
really

really consumed me and defined me for many years until i realized you know what not
everyone's gonna love me it's okay i

know i'm a good guy i'm doing the best i can i'm not perfect my intentions are pure i

want to help people and if they've got some you know issue with me because i remind them of
someone

and maybe a guy who you know looked like their wife's ex-boyfriend and that's a trigger i i

don't freaking know why they're upset you know what i mean but i'm going to let them be me
and just

know that i'm doing the best i can and i think there's just a bit of wiggle room there for you or
maybe a lot of

wiggle room for you to go you know what rengar he's a good guy you know he's like he's
doing podcasts he has amazing

guests who he gives information to people he's got his radio show he's got a beautiful family
like

if you could be more self-accepting which really what this is about like i said earlier

the journey is about releasing our own fears it's not about getting more fame or getting more
people to like you it's like no

if you have a deep-seated fear that you're self-conscious of like oh you know and you'll
probably remember

after this podcast certain times in your childhood i would invite you to look where you did
feel self-conscious

because mum said something dad said something you were in trouble you were picked on at
school whatever triggered

you being you know i want to be a good boy like because i can imagine you being a very
good boy like

but you don't need to play that role anymore you know you're a good guy you've established
yourself and it just it allows your system just to relax a

little bit more let everybody have their opinion that's okay of course it's nicer if people like us
i get it
but you know i don't know what's going on in their day that they're in a shitty mood but it just
will give you more freedom

mate so so it's awesome that you can see it i'm glad you felt it in your body that tells me
immediately that was spot on

and now you get to have a bit more compassion for that part of you and go it's okay i can see
that you developed

the habit over time because of your childhood of wanting to make sure you didn't rock the

boat you didn't upset people and that people fundamentally loved you that's very human no
one's gonna begrudge you that

pattern i just don't want you to live from it anymore because you can love that part of you

just like you would love your child if they felt they were not picked or they weren't liked it's
it's kind of adorable

right because it's a child mentality yeah you just don't have to live from it as a grown man
that's all

yeah i mean as you sort of speak to that i've done a form of therapy called ifs internal family
systems which i found

incredibly helpful process various incidents in my childhood but as

she was speaking there you know you mentioned ethnicity you know i i know my brother and
i were two the only

sort of non-white kids at our school growing up you know grew up in a sort of middle class
sort

of white suburban area in cheshire um yeah and i think we were the one or there was only two
indian

families in town and we were one of them so you know there is that self-consciousness there
but yeah

you know there's something you said peter that it's an it's it's a nice you didn't say nice quality
it's an

endearing quality it's uh but actually i think it depends where the energy comes from so

i mentioned my dad's um died just over eight years ago yeah the reason i live in the northwest

of england um where i grew up is because i moved back from edinburgh where i was at med
school
and working to help my mum and my brother look after dads he was he had to uh retire he
had uh with ill health he

had lupus he was on dialysis for years and you know it was a very very intense

and stressful time now yeah i think back to that time and and i

i i think how did i do what i did and what i mean by that is

i would kill myself with caring now i would um i was there seven days a week i was

uh working as a doctor i'd get up at five i've shared this before but i would get up

really early i'd go and shower my dad get him ready i'd go to work i'd sometimes go at lunch

time if he was in hospital i'd you know whatever it needed for years seven days a week days

uh a year i would do right uh it didn't matter what was going on in my life that was my top
priority i remember in

the days after dad died some of my dad's friends would say to me

you know wrong we're just so impressed with you we've never seen anyone do um or look
after someone like that

before and that made me feel good on a level i thought yeah yeah because i had built up mate
this identity that that's who

rongan chastis is he looks after people he cares for people and what's really interesting is my
mum

unfortunately her health has been deteriorating recently her mobility has gone down you know
my brother and i are around

most days i'm there helping him with breakfast most mornings um and there's a couple of
things there

is i i can feel the energy behind me caring for mom very different yeah with dad like it's

no longer my identity i i love my mum i'll do everything that i can to help her

but i'm not gonna kill myself at the same time i can see i can put boundaries up in a way

that i was incapable of doing eight or nine years ago and i it's for me i i'm now starting to
think

about actually i can now see a time when mum won't be around which is something i've sort
of come to terms

with in the last few months yeah and i'm actually a lot of time i'm okay with it that no just
doesn't mean i don't love my mum it doesn't mean i don't get it but but that energy is different
now and it

feels good it feels like it doesn't take every sinew every sort of ounce of

energy away from me i feel like i've still got energy for me and my family but i can also care
for my mum does that

make sense a hundred percent it's why the faa has the ruling that when you get on any

airplane and many people have heard this before and the the tendon or whatever says the
oxygen

masks come down you put yours on first even before your own child now that's a

beautiful metaphor for the fact that if you don't take care of you you have no use to

anyone anyway right so i would assert that with your dad you were still

trapped in the idea that it was incumbent upon you it was like it occurred to you as i have to i
must i

need to yes yeah but now with your mom it's a choice

it doesn't doesn't mitigate or doesn't in any way minimize the amount of love that you

have for her but she's on her own karma we become less attached to form my mom

died when i was seven of cancer my dad went to work when i was never came back right he
died on the the ferry then

jaybrugar and for sure it impacted my life but it really taught me the power of

being able to let go of form right form anything in the manifest world

and form comes and goes all the time even in the course of this conversation we both literally
lost millions of cells anyone

listening they've lost millions of cells they're dying all the time and we're not like holding on
for dear

life you know but when it comes to these archetypes especially with mum or dad or a partner
or a child like

we become so attached and that's human but it again leaves us very vulnerable versus you

know where we combine with the essence of something i feel so grateful that i had a father
even only he was there for

years because the essence of our connection was so beautiful even though the form the time
we
physically had together was quite short right so i i invite people to really look at the

quality of your life in your relationships and the connections versus the quantity or

the attachment to the the external trappings the form of something

so i love the fact that you can even see in your own behavioral adaptation that before the little
boy is sort of it's how it

defines you it's no surprise you're a doctor right like there's this part of you that has been
programmed somewhat through adaptation

to be the care provider like the wounded healer right like sort of that's where you find your
value it's

it's these these identities we construct around ourselves that we live within that you know i

might the identity i had was that i'm a carer you know doesn't matter

night or day seven days a week i am there nothing gets past me i'm there you know and yeah
i'm gonna see that and the

world around me are gonna see that and when you let go of that label and you stop living
within those constraints

it is freeing and may i've i've gone through a process of the last few years of just getting rid of
really feeling into what are these

labels and i no longer i don't define myself as a doctor i no longer even define myself

as a father it's i'm proud to be a father it's a role that i take

very seriously yeah but i think the problem is when you when you define yourselves by

um these kind of labels again you're putting yourself in a box

part of you then starts to live in a corner so what you think society thinks that label should

be which is problematic itself but then of course if you lose that label as you say what i'm
gonna say

if i got fired from my job what happens if i get ill and i couldn't work what happens as a
parent when your kids

leave the house when they're right if that's your whole identity like it becomes really

problematic so i wonder if you can speak a little bit to identity and how problematic

it can be if we select the wrong identity or actually choose any identity really
um yeah but i also want to make sure we touch on we mentioned the body you mentioned

emotions uh stress in the body and disease i think it's something that doesn't get

spoken about enough it's not something that we as doctors really get any training in at all this
is in the

sort of western medical model i know you've trained an eye of eden medicine so i wonder if
you could speak to some of

some of those issues please yeah for sure i mean identity you know we could call it persona

ego they're all sort of interchangeable so it's really it's where we you know we become

collapsed with the idea of who who we are like you know it's a sensitive subject but whatever
i i don't mind talking

about stuff so i'm here to break molds right so if someone says i'm christian

you know and there's millions of christians around the world to me that's a completely
inaccurate statement

it's not bad it's not wrong it's just inaccurate no one on the planet is christian

somebody may subscribe to the tenants of christianity but who they are

as a divine being that baby that they were at one point didn't even know its own name or its

nationality it certainly wasn't associated with any particular religion this is an addendum this
is something that got

added after the fact so if you look at even just religion and how it's been

you know arguably one of the biggest you know causes of bloodshed around the

world it's only because somebody believes there's something and then somebody believes
there's something and there's this disagreement and then well

let's fight so listen i pull from tenants of all sorts of religion i think you know that

i talk about the consciousness of christ and unconditional love i talk about the freedom of
buddha and the

buddha is within you know i can reference a lot of stuff from hinduism with krishna and
shiva's and

you know that you can pull from all of these things but to your point about labels as soon as
we

we basically pigeonhole ourselves and say i am something [Music]

you know it's like you nailed your foot to the floor so identity becomes very

it's very delicate because people are very attached to their beliefs but without knowing that
their

attachment to their beliefs is also what becomes the actual impediment to them

usually creating their life they want so to you you know what we were just talking about if the
belief is that who

you are fundamentally doesn't doesn't you're not you don't fit in and you're not loved because
you're of a

different athleticity you're at this school you it's only you and your brother and while they're
in their indian family

that are really of the the anomaly to the norm then you're going to be self-conscious you have
to be

so that would create an identity where now you're like oh i don't fit in which exacerbates the

feeling of separation which is really what creates all suffering we don't recognize that we're
part of the whole we're all

actually interconnected right that's a much more spiritual conversation there is no

actual separation i mean even in quantum physics right we've got entanglement theory we've
got the unified field

it points to the fact that everything is interconnected so psychologically when you get that
that's where i live from

it's like everybody loves me and i love everybody why wouldn't i if we're all one versus in a
relationship to myself

relative to others now i'm separate then i've got to do whatever i have to as in a separate
identity to feel that i

have value that i fit in that i'm like that you know as long as you're looking through the
isolation

point of view the the the illusion of separation you have no choice but to try and adapt

to manipulate yourself depending on the environment you might go to your friends and you
feel like oh somewhat relaxed because i'm accepted

here but then you go on a job interview and now your value systems are being challenged as
an identity because you're

like they're going to pick me are they going to pick me am i going to get the job and now
you're self-conscious and then you might go to a dinner party and you
don't know anyone and you feel like oh you know i don't have the same i don't go i don't go
grey um i don't go hunting

with these people i don't know anything about hunting or i don't play lacrosse like will they

like me you know so all of these systems get challenged because we think we're independent
we

that's the identity so it can be very deleterious to our psychological our mental and our

physical health to go to your second part of your question which is where i talk about the term

dis-ease a lot you know as the precursor to disease that manifests physiologically

when psychologically we're in a state of dis-ease the absence of ease then the endocrine
system is going to be

dumping the cortisols and norepinephrines the adrenalines into our body which if that's
consistent over time

then our body can't rejuvenate itself things are going to become compromised and that's where
you know it might take a

couple of decades but you're going to get sick so identity it's so ironic because

people fight for their identity but the identity itself becomes the obstacle to what they want
which is

really union you look at look at relationships romantically here's the here's the irony you go
on

your first date and you're really excited male or female and you're meeting male or female
who cares what you're into

but you know you're you're going to do whatever you can to present your greatest ambassador
right like so you know you put on the

shirt that you haven't worn ever or you even went shopping and got some new shoes which
are really uncomfortable but they look good

you know you've actually you know got no shaved for the first time whether you're male or
female wherever you're shaving

you know for a couple of weeks you've put on your best cologne which is a terrible move but
anyway you

know and so you've got this sense of like oh i'm doing the best i can and it goes well to the
point that you

have a second date and maybe you know if you gave out of of your best
on the second day you you know you come down to about and then the third day you know
you're starting to feel

much more comfortable with people and you're down to a of your best and you know maybe
a year from now you're

married and before you know it you're like you know you're you're you're worst average every
day and your partner's

like what the hell happened to you you know it's like that wasn't the person i met yeah well
because you were just coming from fear

you know that's your identity based in inadequacy insecurity and scarcity you had
compensation patterns behavioral

adaptations to try and present yourself so that you become the chosen one that you're

accepted by society as soon as you feel accepted then you go straight back into your
inadequacies

the self-fulfilling prophecy of the fact that no one gives a [ __ ] who cares what the [ __ ] i'm
pal and and and everything starts to become

you know back to this like very mediocre average so identity has it's got its plus signs

because you try a little bit but it's also becomes the very precursor to all of the deleterious
effects

in our life including the worst you know like addictions and self-sabotage and

suicides and things are very real that really affect people it's all because of identity

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yeah it's a big issue i'm basically my work is dissolving identities as i tell people i'm

i'm not here to help the person i'm here to get rid of the person

is it possible to have an identity that's helpful so you mentioned religion so sometimes

of course people like the identity of a religion because it helps them abide by or follow a
certain set of

principles that helps them you know have better relationships and feel calm so

yeah i guess yeah is there a bit of nuance there i mean you your identity to many of us is the
mind
architect right so is that identity could you can you envisage a scenario in your life

where actually having that identity is limiting what if someone's got a problem with

their body that you help with but you're the mind architect you're not the body architect do
you know what i mean

sort of yeah how would you think about that well this seems to be a good platform to
announce that i'm now the

body architect the mind body architect the human art

i'm the life architect no no it's a great point and and you know again people don't know my
inner workings but for me it's very clear that i know i'm

not the minority i know i'm not peter crone these are all things that are they're sort of you
know adorned on my

identity i know for myself without sounding too poetic that i'm just a space of pure love and
possibility

that's how i identify identified myself and then how that manifests you know my background
wasn't just a

trainer and i'm an ayurvedic practitioner so that i can a pull from those skill sets but for
someone to say that they're a

lawyer or they're a doctor or they're an insurance agent you know or they're a professional
athlete

all of these monikers that we have they're not wrong but they're inaccurate to the essence of
who we are

so for me you know i feel very comfortable using labels without being attached to

them i it doesn't it's like oh i'm the mind architect say no i couldn't care less call me whatever

you want like i don't it doesn't really bother me i'm much more interested in the essence of
what people get from the energy of who i am

and the words that i share that help them to tap into their equivalent form of freedom that i
feel that i

embody which is why people find my work inspiring you know they might not know too
much about me as a persona they might not

know my parents died they don't know if i'm married i have children they probably couldn't
care less they're much more interested in like wow
i feel better listening to this guy so really what is that is it because i'm a mine architect or
because i'm

representing the expression of a form of energy that is appealing to them you know the
expression namaste the

divine in me recognizes the divine in you is the translation right so it's really

i'm speaking from a place that i assert is somebody's essence and it's appealing

to the essence in them whether you call that freedom or love or self-worth so that identity that
i use yes can

people have an identity that's beneficial of course but to what end you know you could argue
that your identity of being a doctor

a year with my dad like you could argue that that identity of like

i will not be stopped i'm a care provider you can say that's beneficial you know you probably
helped your dad for a lot you

know but my question is to what expense you know in real estate they have that term carrying
costs you know if a house

is not being sold it's got carrying costs right you have to keep the lights on you keep it clean

you're paying your mortgage whatever and so an identity always has carrying costs

and so it's just the degree to what are those costs now again to the extremes of an identity

that's founded in a feeling of inadequacy where i'm not loved i'm not wanted i'm i'm a failure
because of their childhood

that led them to finding relief in substance and it became an addiction that is now draining
their bank accounts

it's ruined their marriage they don't see their children anymore they're living on the street
that's a lot of cost to that identity

right conversely somebody who feels that they're not good enough and they became a
perfectionist and they

go to the gym six times a week because they're very conscious of their appearance and they
want to make sure they have a

perfect body and they really work hard to make sure that their house looks perfect

you could say that that looks like it's a much better expression of someone's identity

but i would assert that person has still got a lot of carrying costs because they're working so
hard to really try and fundamentally get
people to like them and accept them so even on the surface you know the homeless person
who's a drug addict

the person who has this picture perfect life they're kind of ironically being driven internally by
the same sense of energy

and inadequacy they just manifest it in different ways so identity to me fundamentally

does have to be destructed at some point or at least seen for what it is which is a facade and a
mask

so that we can reveal what's beneath that which is the essence of who we all are and from that
place then i feel

you actually live a life that would be you know sort of referenced or

symbolic of somebody who's in harmony with everything so that is beneficial to everyone it's

just you're no longer carrying any cost because you're just in harmony with your true nature
and i'd

like to think that that's where i live from that there is the absence of friction there is the

absence of resistance that is the absence of trying to impress people you know that to me is
true freedom

i'm no longer trying to prove myself to anybody and i don't have anything to hide does

that mean i'm perfect no but i found peace with that does it mean that everything in my history
was

immaculate not at all parents died i drove i drove my dad's car when i was i knocked

down the garden wall like i've done my stupid things i got drunk i've done you know i've done
all the things that humans do

but i found peace with myself and so then there's no longer this external

identity effort of like hoping that you know i look good enough that you like me

that to me is exhausting and why people do have these sort of self-medicated

substances they rely on which as i said can over time really to your question impact people's

physical health and and to me that's why i feel my work has helped so many people who have
had sicknesses

and diseases some of which have been chronic because as soon as they let go of the internal
mechanism that creates that
dis-ease and they find peace then their external physiology eventually is given the permission
to

actually heal itself and and miracles literally do happen

yeah that term caring cost is so so apt um and you know an example in my life

that speaks to that is you know still talking about my my dad's um i

used to have debilitating chronic back pain for many years in my s i had to

give up sports all kinds of things take time off work and you know i was looking for a
physical

solution and after trying lots and lots of different things i found this incredible guy called gary
wards who

you know looks at the whole body and and just he looks at everything frankly but i don't want
to do gary a

disservice but he really helped me by say by seeing how my right foot

wasn't actually working uh as optimally as it could do when he gave me a few exercises to get
that really working and

instantaneously otherwise to percent of my back pain just went to the point where i could get

back to doing all the things that i wanted to do but that would still be occasional tension that
would be

there but it wasn't a problem i was able to do the things in life that i wanted to do

so as a human being i just kept going on and thought i'll just keep doing these exercises and
this is good compared to how things

were at my dad's funeral mate and this really speaks to what you were just saying and

why i'm so passionate of the role that emotions play disease and our health and our

well-being and our whole body and our frame i can remember so clearly that my dad had a
cremation

after the service i remember seeing the coffin going into the kind of i don't know what

it's called like the oven you could see the heat in there and i could see my my dad's body

uh going in and i remember me i could feel as that was going in this tension in my

right back it just went like i still remember it it just it's it just vanished yeah and i totally

got it i was like oh my god i get it like i've been carrying this
tension this responsibility of being there for the entire family making sure everyone's alright
looking

after the family looking after my dads and in that moment where i thought i really had that
realization that

actually does not hear anymore dad's body is about to be burnt into ashes yeah my body
responded instantaneously

mate beautiful really beautiful and no surprise it's your right side because that's the masculine
right so the

paternal the father but the release that you got because it's like especially with the back

which represents you know when we say we have a spine we're a stand for something

like it's where there's this feeling of commitment it's often associated with finances or security

most of the security comes from the masculine and so you were bearing the weight when you
bear weight think about doing a

squat with a lot of weight you know most people's backs get thrown out so you were bearing
the weight of the

masculine role that was crumbling and so you had too much stress

and once that was seen and accepted and reconciled you were able to have the release so to
me in my work and this again like i'm

not a doctor but boy do i change people's physiology and their diseases

by addressing what's the internal what is the root cause energetically energetically

you know this is what i call frequency medicine people who've had chronic issues for like
decades

and they don't know why they've tried everything because of course no one wants to feel
lousy but until such time you dress like the

center ring of those ripples on a pond you've got the fifth sixth ring is the symptom and the
issue

but until you change at the core then your body can't actually release and do what it does
naturally which is

allow the flow of vitality to be there effortlessly like i just did a workshop on health and

i was talking about like our nature is vitality that's our nature but because we deviate away
from
it then we create disease and once you understand that and then you look at okay well what
was the

root cause of my dis-ease why break that word down the absence of ease in my system
energetically emotionally and

psychologically that then manifests in my physiology as a sickness but then the sick care
system which is

the most barbaric system out there no offense to you but you know that it's like trying to fix

things externally and just sell people pills you know most doctors obviously there's many that

are good but they're really you know they're drug pushers they're not like trying to get people

well they're trying to manage symptoms which has its time and place for sure i get it but if
you don't address what's going on

at the deepest energetic emotional level then at best you're just managing a sickness yeah

that was you know what march so we're you know almost eight and a half years

and as a as a as a human being but as a doctor in particular

i've always been fascinated with different fields i i i was thinking about you before this

conversation and thinking about your career in my career and one thing i really resonated with
is that you kind of you've studied lots of different

things you know at university um your master's degree your sort of yoga

pilates ayurveda and and and i really think that gives a real flavor real sense of

everything that's out there so you can bring in what you need to for the individual in front of
you and

i i kind of feel that's the approach i've always taken in medicine i remember at med school i
was learning from pts and i was reading

stuff you know on nutrition and then now psychology and emotions and health and

we talk about the sick care system but the truth is our training as western daughters is limited

the vast majority of our training is diagnose a symptom these are your treatment options

percent of those treatment options uh are pharmaceutical drugs therefore that is their model so
when you go and

see your doctor unless they are open to learning more studying more expanding
their view you are going to get a very limited response and this is why i think many people
not everyone and i know there are some

great doctors out there who are much more open-minded and are trying all kinds of different
approaches

non-harmful approaches to help their patients get better may and then for sure i come with
compassion like some of my friends they're functional

doctors or even regular gps and they're just beautiful people and i really do want to you know
commend those who

choose it's not an easy path right you go through medical school five seven years you do your

you know your um internships or whatever you know you there's a lot of stuff that goes into
including the cost

especially here in the states of going to become a doctor or a nurse and i think it is always
with the best of intentions the

issue is the system right like if we were to break it down in very simple terms what do you
learn as a doctor you've got to learn the

structure right we call that anatomy genetics you know you learn the function we call that
physiology or biology

then you learn the pathology like the diseases that you have you know you're going to face
and then what's the treatment

pharmacology and then maybe intervention which is surgery so you know again without kind
of

pointing to the pound gorilla in the room which is big pharma which wants to control
everything they're the ones giving the money to the

universities there's the one paying the lobbyists you know the system itself is just corrupt i
mean it's just call it what it

is and there's good people trying to help but that like i don't know how many hours in like the
seven years of study

like two or three on nutrition you know in ayurveda we know everything stems from the gut
that's our view

it's like we have an expression with good digestion medicine is unnecessary with bad
digestion medicine doesn't work

so it's all around digestion you know for me psychological digestion to go back to the
beginning of our
conversation if you can't process something that you're visually in front of you're unable to
digest it that's

like most emotional indigestion you're not able to handle it and so that's where people get sick

disease physical disease and we see that in the world right now it's really an asinine

system that we have and and if i was in a car accident to your point there's some things that
this

western system are phenomenal you know they would put me back together save my life

amazing but i think if a species if we're going to move forward we have to you know we have
to call the

spade as fade whatever expression you want to use like it is what it is emergency triage acute
intervention

western medicine awesome but as it relates to everyday wellness and health

then we want the chinese medicines the eye invaders the functional doctors the naturopaths
the osteopaths

there's there's a whole world that allows people to tap into health and wellness we can bring
the best of everything is

what i appeal to first of all agree about all the benefits of western medicine hey we've spoken
a lot about my dad's

day my dad got years extra for life on a dialysis machine i am so grateful if a dance machine
did not

exist that's kids weren't working that's him gone right that was an artificial kind

of kidney keeping him alive so he got to experience all kinds of things and meet

my kids and all kinds of stuff do you know what i mean so it's not yeah it's not about throwing
it all out it's not recognizing what it's good at what

it's not good at you know i'm an optimist i think things are changing um with it with a
colleague

of mine uh dr a and panzer we created something called prescribing lifestyle medicine this

used to run in person this course that the royal college of gps in london have fully accredited
and we've either

trained over a thousand maybe a couple of thousand health care professionals already and it
percent i'm saying it's significantly
influencing the way that they practice we've now put it online literally i think a week or two
ago we're now

you know taking it out that's why i kind of i'm an optimist right so i think yeah there are
problems

but i i don't want to just keep talking about the problems i want to try and at least do
something that contributes to a solution

uh peter i want to be respectful of your time but there's two big topics we didn't get to um just
briefly i just want to ask you

if past hurt informs future fear yeah how do we deal with that we can

i know you're running a lot of online courses now for people who want to access your work
which is fantastic i know people who've got great benefit

from that what is your view on things like therapy as a way of dealing with past trauma

and then secondly given that a lot of these patterns develop in our childhoods yeah for those
of us

that are parents what can we do with our children to

reduce the likelihood of them developing these patterns that they then have to try and

undo in their s s and s great okay past hurt and forms future

fears one of my quotes that i came up with recognizing the pattern of where the brain when
we've had any kind of

failures disappointments or trauma it's designed to predict and protect so we are going to be
looking

out for the repetition of something that hurt us it's just very simple physics right you you go
near a stove you burn your hand

you're going to be that much more sort of self-aware when you're next near a stove because
like oh that hurt last

time so does therapy help it depends on the quality of the therapist you know i i remember i
did a retreat in

thailand many many years ago and a journalist from the daily telegraph came out to

work with me they sent a few journalists just to do some stories and he had a really pertinent
last

paragraph he said you know when i got back from seeing peter in thailand i went to see my
therapist and i told
him i didn't need him anymore i realized that he'd helped me to identify my fears

but i realized that constantly just talking about my fears didn't make them go away right so
therapy again there's some

amazing therapists out there but there's also some awful ones who just are doing a job and
they're prescribing

you know diazo pens benzodiazepines and ssris and whatever sedative

yeah and i guess that word therapy is so broad it can mean so many different things one of the
one of the reasons i like ifs so much is

because it doesn't require you to go in and talk about it sort of goes back to that childhood
experience and sort of reprograms it straight away in

your mind but i could totally see how for many people your work would um

in many for many people would just mean oh i get it now i can i i just got that realization so i
can

understand why some people wouldn't need a therapist after that or certainly that kind of
therapist

yeah so that's why again one of my catchphrases i said i don't solve problems i dissolve them
right so you know therapist a doctor an

expert a spiritual teacher like whoever you're going to see invariably with the best of
intentions is trying to

help you with your problems but thereby they're sort of reinforcing the fact that you've got
some in my world no one

has a problem no one has a problem in my world now that to most people is like just jarring
it's like wait he doesn't know me he doesn't know that

i don't need to i know that you have a resistance to a circumstance based on your conditioning
and like we said your

identity if i can undo your identity then all of a sudden you're free and you will actually

attract and manifest an entirely different life that is absence of quote-unquote problems so yes
there's

many forms of therapy you could say massage therapy you could say acupuncture is a therapy
right you could

say there's different there's different modalities but i do believe whoever you are as a human
being you
have to have an outlet you have to have some access to conversational therapy of some kind
even if it's just a best

friend even if it's a lover somebody who you can trust who you can just share what you're
going through

in an arena that you're held and you're accepted in a way without judgment itself is a form of
healing therapy i

think one of my greatest skills with people yes i have all of these tools where i can discern
between

you know where someone's lying or they're not or they're coming from fear but one of my
greatest assets i feel is

that i just listen from a place of non-judgment and i just accept people for who they are and
most people have never had that

energy and so it's very liberating so that's the first question um and then regarding parents you
know we get a lot

of that i'll probably do a workshop on parenting soon but in order to how can i do this

without like getting down the rabbit hole i think it's a great topic that warrants another
conversation

but the best way any parents can

inspire influence and impact their children in a quote positive way that is in

keeping with my work which is freedom and love and self-worth is to do the work yourself

because children more than anything mimic who you are versus listening to

what you say and so if you want to inspire your children to become

you know human adults that you would be proud of where they have powerful lives

then emulate embody and reflect express

the type of human being you would want them to be if you're if you're disciplining them and
you're

raising your voice and you're screaming and you're making them wrong and you have
arguments with your spouse

then that's what they're going to recognize is what a relationship looks like and what parenting
looks like

so then they will very invariably from generation to generation adopt those behavioral
patterns of like oh
well i fight with my partner but that's what i learned from my parents so that's normal but it
doesn't feel good it's

just normalized and so i help parents i help athletes i help businessmen i help everyone in

between to find that sense of freedom so that you can be the living embodiment of what

you would wish to pass on not just to your children but to your loved ones

your siblings people you care about and even for me i like to be a living embodiment of my
work i don't want to be the guy who's

full of bs you know who's like oh he sounds great on podcasts but people who know me
behind the scenes

like i'm some sort of jackass you know it's like no i'm i want to live the way that i

like preach and i think so for a parent whatever qualities you would love your

children to embody then you know express those so that they can mimic

you because that's what children learn more than anything and we're all doing the best we can
like my quote i say we're masterpieces but we're all works

in progress so a lot of compassion you know i i i'm i'm a parent to millions i don't have my

own children so you know i can't speak entirely to the you know the the trials and

tribulations of being a parent and children will test your nerve i get it and if you get upset and
pissed off at

times it's okay but try and rectify yourself as quickly as you can understand children are
they're children

they're supposed to draw all over the walls they're supposed to break [ __ ] that's what they do
and the more you can

have love and acceptance of them stop making them wrong that's that's one of the most i find

over time detrimental things that parents do to children is they make them wrong and bad

you know and children don't know they're three they're five they're eight they're doing the best
they can so for a parent to make a human being a

child wrong or bad it leaves such an impression versus

help them understand why what they did perhaps is an ideal or why it did upset you but
educate them

versus disciplining them or judging them i love that peter i think it's a
wonderful place to close off our third conversation for people who want to

follow you sort of do courses uh you know how can they find you where's the best place and
also when's the book coming

out uh best place is uh instagram peter crone official and my website

petercrone.com where they could find workshops and courses um and the book is coming
along i

really don't know you've done this more than me so the publishing time you know dependent

uh i'd like to i'm gonna my intention is to finish the book

by around november december of this year so then i don't know if that puts us around

spring of next year um i just keep getting people who want to work with me which is very
flattering

but it pulls away from my uh writing time yeah it pulls away from writing for sure

you kind of almost got to shut off for a little bit and just get in the zone but uh good luck with
that mate and

thank you thank you for making time your work is helping so many people around the world
uh i value

you for what you do for humanity i value you as a friend and i hope you get to get together
soon

in person mate thank you so much for having me on and sharing me with your audience and i
really as i said at the

sort of middle part i hope people realize i'm i'm doing this because i care and i really want to
make a difference and so far the feedback i've

gotten is very humbling and so it's only through people like yourself and your platforms and
your audiences that i get

to reach people so i'm very grateful so thank you it's that conversation resonated with you i
think you are

really going to get a lot out of the very first one i had with the incredible dr gabor mate it's
right there give it a click and let

me know what you think once you're asking not by the addiction but by the pain now you
have to forget that it's a

choice because nobody chooses to be in pain and you also have to forget the medical idea that
it's an inherited brain disease
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