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1 12-20-2017, 05:57 AM (This post was last modified: 12-21-2017, 05:18 AM by MrPhil.)
hello guys,

I'm not used to work on those old MB... I came to this euro world just a few years ago and these old generation cars arent so popular around here so please bear with me on this one .

This 2002 E320 came in for a no start.... and Key is stuck in the EIS, cannot remove it.
Also, the shifter (selector) is stuck in "P" except if i press the release button.

after a few check up:

1) it gets no drive authorization.
2) ETC has a P2314 (One or more message from EZS missing on CAN bus)
3) All datas seems normal in EZS module, all teminals changes as I move the key from one position to another.
4) key data in EZS are has follow (Not sure what this means)
-40 key track last used : 0
-41 key track last but one used : 1
-42 key track 1 : authorized
-43 key track 1 : used
5) shifter position in ETC is shown as "P" and changes to "R" "N" and "D" if i move the lever while pressing the release button

question 1:
does this means that the key inserted in EIS is key 1 and it's authorized ?
remember i cannot get it out so having never worked on those i'm not sure about this.

question 2:
if the key was dead/invalid... should I be able to remove it anyway ?

question 3:
that missing data from EZS to ETC, can it be the "P" signal which would prevent the key to be removed from the EZS not knowing the car is in "P"

question 4:
a missing signal from EZS should also trigger a code in ME ? (that would make sense)

I checked (scoped) my CAN signals at both EZS and ETC and they look fine

after all this... i'm wondering if the problem in related to the ETC or the EZS
I'd use some help please Fing32
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2 12-20-2017, 06:56 AM
Not sure but very likely you have faulty EIS - hence all the DTCs related to the fault and when you switch ignition off it doesnt release the key.
Inserting unauthorized key into EIS you should be able to remove it anyway.
Having a chance check the live data of the EIS, EZS switching ignition on/off.

ETC you mean TCM (transmission control module)? Definitely problem not in there
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(12-20-2017, 06:56 AM)buffalo4x4 Wrote: Not sure but very likely you have faulty EIS - hence all the DTCs related to the fault and when you switch ignition off it doesnt release the key.
Inserting unauthorized key into EIS you should be able to remove it anyway.
Having a chance check the live data of the EIS, EZS switching ignition on/off.

ETC you mean TCM (transmission control module)? Definitely problem not in there

Yeah etc : TCM

The only reason I was looking at it is the DTC for missing data from ezs which isn't triggered on any other ECU.
And the fact that the key cannot be removed similar to a shifter that's not in "p".

With an unauthorized key.. should I be able to move the shifter out of "p" ?
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(12-20-2017, 06:59 AM)MrPhil Wrote: With an unauthorized key.. should I be able to move the shifter out of "p" ?

I dont have a lot experience with MB EZS system but as far as I remember you wouldnt be able to move shifter from P possition if wrong key is inserted or EZS system has malfunction
What does it show on the dash? What gear possition? Is it "P" (parked)?
Again, EZS and TCM live data would be helpful
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5 12-20-2017, 07:55 AM
I think your problem will be in the shifter. I have done a few on those older models. Some fail electrically and some mechanically. As you put the shifter in parking there is a cable that moves and releases the key..... so it's not completing that task. Then the vehicle will not start because it needs to make sure it's in park. Find out why it's not going into park...... to begin. Good luck.
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6 12-20-2017, 08:57 AM (This post was last modified: 12-20-2017, 09:02 AM by MrPhil.)

(12-20-2017, 07:13 AM)buffalo4x4 Wrote:

(12-20-2017, 06:59 AM)MrPhil Wrote: With an unauthorized key.. should I be able to move the shifter out of "p" ?

I dont have a lot experience with MB EZS system but as far as I remember you wouldnt be able to move shifter from P possition if wrong key is inserted or EZS system has malfunction
What does it show on the dash? What gear possition? Is it "P" (parked)?
Again, EZS and TCM live data would be helpful

Dash is a mess.. can't see anything .. display is f#$&@ up. That doesn't help.

TCM data shows the correct position for the shifter in all p,r,n,d positions. EZS data I have refers to key status and actual terminal status ... All look good.

I just can't understand those key status... (See 1st post) but once again... It should get out even if it's not valid.

(12-20-2017, 07:55 AM)MBENZTECH Wrote: I think your problem will be in the shifter. I have done a few on those older models. Some fail electrically and some mechanically. As you put the shifter in parking there is a cable that moves and releases the key..... so it's not completing that task. Then the vehicle will not start because it needs to make sure it's in park. Find out why it's not going into park...... to begin. Good luck.

I'll surely look into that shifter tomorrow.

It does move from park if I press the release button... And status changes in TCM data.
I do know that there's no codes in the shifter/selector ECU and no other code that this "missing data from ezs" in the TCM. A faulty shifter should trigger codes in one of those right ??

Do you know if other module should trigger that missing data from ezs on the can bus ?? Or is it normal that only TCM get it ?
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7 12-21-2017, 05:17 AM
Cheer2 for MBENZTECH.

Parking cable wasn't moving at the ezs end... So no park "signal" .... Explaining the no start situation.

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8 12-21-2017, 06:14 AM
I was thinking about shifter too... thats why I asked Phil if there is "P" on the dash and what live data comes in EZS

Glad you solved it, mate

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9 12-21-2017, 06:36 AM

(12-21-2017, 06:14 AM)buffalo4x4 Wrote: I was thinking about shifter too... thats why I asked Phil if there is "P" on the dash and what live data comes in EZS

Glad you solved it, mate

Yeah having a dash that works good would have probably help.
But anyway I wonder if the park signal comes from the TCM over CAN network to the dash... If that's the case, it would have shown park since the TCM was reading it correctly.

EZS data didn't include a shifter position.... Only a mechanical cable that release the key.

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