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The Maternal in Creative Work
The Maternal in Creative Work examines the interrelation between art, creativity
and maternal experience, inviting international artists, theorists and cultural
workers to discuss their approaches to the central feminist question of the
relation between maternity, generation and creativity.
This edited collection explores various modes and forms of art practice
which look at mothers as subjects and as artists of the maternal experience,
and how the creative practice is used to accept, negotiate, resist or challenge
traditional conceptions of mothering. The book brings together some of the
major projects of maternal art from the last two decades and opens up new
ways of conceptualizing motherhood as a creative and communicative practice.
Chapters include intergenerational discussion of art practices in the 20th
and 21st centuries, representations of breastfeeding and infertility in creative
projects, the notion of the ‘unfit mother’ and childlessness, together with the
experiences of women and men who take on maternal identities through many
forms of kinship and social mothering.
The Maternal in Creative Work will be essential reading for interdisciplinary
students and scholars in cultural studies, gender studies and art theory and will
have wider appeal to audiences interested in maternity, childcare, creativity and
psychoanalysis.
Intersections of Mothering
Feminist Accounts
Edited by Carole Zufferey and Fiona Buchanan
https://www.routledge.com/Interdisciplinary-Research-in-Motherhood/
book-series/IRM
The Maternal in
Creative Work
Intergenerational Discussions
on Motherhood and Art
PART I
Intergenerational maternal discussions11
6 The Mothernists 59
DEIRDRE M. DONOGHUE AND LISE HALLER BAGGESEN
viii Contents
7 A.M.M.A.A. – The Archive for Mapping Mother Artists in Asia 72
RUCHIKA WASON SINGH
PART II
Encountering the maternal in artistic practice81
PART III
Maternal future: Interrupting the field151
Index210
Figures and plates
Figures
2.1 Nightcleaners, 1975, 16 mm, black and white film still. 14
3.1 Maternal Metaphors the Rochester Contemporary, May 2004.
Clockwise from left: Aura Rosenberg, Judy Glantzman,
Marion Wilson. 27
3.2 Maternal Metaphors II, Trisolini Gallery, October 2006. Maeve
Morgan Phoa watching Myrel Chernick’s Mommy Mommy,
1992.29
3.3 Maternal Metaphors II, Ohio University Art Gallery,
October 2006. Gail Rebhan’s Baby, black and white photos,
1987–88.31
5.1 Carrie Mae Weems, Welcome Home, Family Pictures and Stories,
1978–1984, vintage silver gelatin print with text, dimensions vary. 52
5.2 Carrie Mae Weems, Van and Vera, Family Pictures and Stories,
1978–1984, vintage silver gelatin print with text, dimensions vary. 52
5.3 Carrie Mae Weems, Alice, Family Pictures and Stories, 1978–
1984, vintage silver gelatin print with text, dimensions vary. 53
5.4 Carrie Mae Weems, Alice in the Bed, Family Pictures and Stories,
1978–1984, vintage silver gelatin print with text, dimensions vary. 53
5.5 Carrie Mae Weems, Black Man Holding Watermelon, Ain’t
Jokin’, vintage silver gelatin print, 1987–1988, dimensions vary. 54
7.1 CHING CHING CHENG, Letting Go Series, still image, 2017. 77
7.2 Miharu Hatori at work during the Inaugural A.M.M.A.A.
Artist Residency 2017. 78
8.1 Things I have never told you (first fragment). 86
8.2 I have marked.92
8.3 Grandmother (lacuna). 93
8.4 Things I have never told you (fourth fragment). 95
10.1 A Mend: A Collection of Scraps from Local Seamstresses and Tailors
(Chicago), 2011–2013, jean scraps and gold denim thread,
14 × 10 × 4 ft. 113
10.2 Nara Sitting, 2016,Younghye Han, pencil on paper,
24 × 16 inches. 115
Figures and Plates xi
13.1 Sarah Polley directs Michael Polley, Stories We Tell (2012). 145
14.1 One for Sorrow, video installation, 2015, Still 1¸ https://vimeo.
com/153248784.159
14.2 One for Sorrow, video installation, 2015, Still 2¸ https://vimeo.
com/153248784.160
14.3 One for Sorrow, video installation, 2015, Still 3, https://vimeo.
com/153248784.160
16.1 Ida and Tabitha, #40 Digital C print, 10 × 8, 2014. 179
16.2 Shroud#2, Monoprint over Digital C print, 34 × 29, 2016. 181
17.1 Gina’s drawing. 186
17.2 Lynn’s drawing. 187
17.3 Julia’s drawing. 189
Plates
2.1 Post-Partum Document, Introduction, 1973, detail.
2.2 The Practical Past, 2018, Mitchell Innes & Nash, New York.
5.1 Carrie Mae Weems, Untitled, Colored People, 2009–2010, 42
inkjet prints, dimensions vary.
5.2 Carrie Mae Weems, Blue Black Boy, Colored People, 1989–
1990, triptych of three toned gelatin silver prints with
Prestype and frame, dimensions vary.
5.3 Carrie Mae Weems, Moody Blue Girl, Colored People,
1989–1990, triptych of three toned gelatin silver prints
with Prestype and frame, dimensions vary.
6.1 The Mothernist Manifesto.
7.1 Open hour of discussion during the first A.M.M.A.A. Art
Workshop 2018 (left to right: Ruchika Wason Singh, Ritu
Kamath, Shruti Gupta Chandra, Merlyn Moli and Kavita Nayar).
8.1 Grandmother (fold).
8.2 Grandmother (figure).
10.1 Roses, 1983,Younghye Han, ink on mulberry paper,
26 × 36 inches.
10.2 Thomas Kong’s collages at Kim’s Corner Food, 2015.
13.1 Real and fake home movies, Stories We Tell (2012), Still 1.
13.2 Real and fake home movies, Stories We Tell (2012), Still 2.
16.1 The Presence of Their Absence, #32 Digital C print, 14 × 11, 2015.
Contributors
This unique and timely volume, The Maternal in Creative Work, returns us to
the central feminist question of the relation between maternity, generation
and creativity. It asks us to think deeply about the potentialities for mother-
hood to open up new ways of doing, thinking and being, for conceptualizing
motherhood, that is, as a creative and communicative practice. By bringing the
maternal into representation through arts-based practices, a recursive loop is
established whereby maternity is produced, even as it is represented, and inter-
generation becomes temporally reciprocal, the act of creativity passing back to
the mother her renewed subjectivity.The mother-artist, through a displacement
or entanglement of the creative act that involves both ‘child’ and ‘artwork’,
brings creativity, generation and intergeneration into view, even as such creative
practices produce maternity itself. The practice of motherhood, then, can make
for a different kind of making, one imbued with an ethical concern for the
other, for sure, but also with loss, hate, trauma, dependency, vulnerability and
ambivalence, the stuff, that is, of psychosexual life.
One of the aims of The Maternal in Creative Work is to hold open endless vari-
ability within an expanded notion of a practice of mothering, without denying
or diminishing the effects of structural conditions that shape, foster, maintain,
support and recognize some versions of mothering and not others. Endless var-
iability can only flourish in conditions that allow such flourishing to take hold.
In Hortense Spillers’s seminal paper, ‘All the Things You Could Be by Now if
Sigmund Freud’s Wife Were Your Mother: Psychoanalysis and Race’ (Spillers,
1996),1 she draws on the Black American tradition of the ‘dozens’ – a game of
exchanging insults – to offer a figuration for extending the realm of possibility
of what can be known, that she also links with the maternal. She writes:
Among all the things you could be by now if Sigmund Freud’s wife were
your mother is someone who understands the dozens, the intricate ver-
boseness of America’s inner city. The big mouth brag, as much a sort of
art form as a strategy of insult, the dozens takes the assaulted home to the
backbone by ‘talking about’ his mama and daddy.
(Spillers, 1996: 733)
Foreword xxi
In the game of the ‘dozens’, to insult one’s ‘mama and daddy’ takes the
assaulted ‘home to the backbone’ in a particular way, as it ‘always changes the
topic’; hence, it takes us to a new place. The words and imagery conjured by
insults about one’s mother both wound, she states, and operate as form of
democracy, as anyone can play and be played, though it is ‘not always pleasant’
for all involved. It is this wounding openness, this openness to wounding and
being wounded that is also the ‘game of living’ that she ties in with the mater-
nal. She wonders if the jazz bassist Charlie Mingus was playing around with
the question of what is created out of ‘no thing’ when he made up the title to
the melody he was playing, on the spot, calling it ‘All the Things You Could Be
by Now if Sigmund Freud’s Wife Were Your Mother’, a title that Spillers then
borrows for her chapter, adding ‘Psychoanalysis and Race’. The addition offsets
not just patriarchy a.k.a. Mingus (if Freud’s wife were your mother, then Freud
could be, or then again could not be, your father), but that other form of other-
ing, that of race:
What Spillers draws our attention to, then, is that creativity, variability, flourish-
ing, the extension of the realm of possibility for what might be known, requires
proceeding from a place of ‘no thing we know’, a place that is sutured to both
the mother and to the racialised notion of blackness, Fanon’s ‘zone of nonbe-
ing’ (1967, 2).2 Joy James calls this unacknowledged place the Black Matrix, the
captive maternal figure who is forgotten or othered by Western theory, or what
she calls ‘Womb Theory’3 (James, 2016). From these two formulations of the
maternal we come to understand that the maternal is a shadow that contains a
myriad of other shadows, and yet out of the shadows come possibilities for gen-
erativity through rupture and resistance that might entail ‘playing’ with insult,
and that are not always ‘fun’. This volume attests to precisely these possibilities
and their agonies.
When I first starting working in maternal studies, around a decade ago, many
of the reference points for thinking about artistic representations of birth and
motherhood came from my own mother’s generation, including Mary Kelly,
Nancy Spero, Monica Sjoo, Catherine Elwes, Judy Chicago and Kiki Smith,
as well as the rediscovery of work by the painters Paula Modersohn-Becker,
Mary Cassatt and later Alice Neel. In the theoretical realm, Griselda Pollock
was central to keeping this work visible and motherhood viable as a subject for
art practice. I think it would be fair to say that we are now in a significantly
xxii Foreword
different place – in the midst of a renewed engagement with the notion of
the ‘mother-artist’, one that, as Irina Aristarkhova says in the afterword to this
volume, can push the multiple experiences of (non)mothering into a ‘heter-
oglossia’. A ‘mother-artist’ pushes ‘the maternal’ into a wide set of associations
with technologies, bodies, care, labour, ethics, relationality, temporality, affect,
psychosexuality. The maternal emerges as a dense layering of lived experience,
identity, individual history and desire; of intersecting material, social, political
and scientific relations; of forms of labour and dimensions of care; of theoreti-
cal questions and structural dimensions in the human and posthuman domains.
The mother-artist becomes the name for the possibility of a relation that can
manage the tension of both connectedness and separation, and between the past
and the future, the creation, that is, of a border space, or more accurately, a ‘bor-
derlink’, as Bracha Ettinger would have it,4 that links as it separates. A mater-
nal subject, for instance, is never divorced from a political generation (both a
political era and a part in the generation of the political). ‘She’ is a figure for
the capacity to hold in mind the absolute specificity of human life, and that
life’s political potential that is always already collective, impossibly linked and
interlinked. In this sense we can think of the maternal as a performative act of
remembrance – the remembrance of the co-emergence of subjectivity within
the context of the constant need to remember feminist histories, and histories
of feminisms, to think and re-think sexual politics, even as ‘she’ reproduces
unknown futures.
In much of the creative practice discussed in the pages of this volume, we are
moved from profit to project, we are asked to dwell in the time of the project
where project is precisely marked out as distinct from profit: the aspect of expe-
rience that resists commodification and that refuses to be involved simply in
exchange.This evokes maternal time – the time of maintaining, staying, waiting,
delaying, repeating and recalling, time that no longer flows as such but is sus-
pended, withdrawn, if you will, from neoliberal time, neither slow, nor frantic,
but time that is simply endured. Such time is the time of care – whether such
care extends to one we come to claim and name as our ‘child’, at whatever stage
of life that might be, or the time it takes to remain attached to anachronistic
ideas of political change and hope in an era in which hope has worn thin, or
the time it takes to take care of time itself in an historical moment in which
the future appears foreclosed and the present empty of qualities whilst being
simultaneously totally qualified as the time of work. The distinction between
project and profit is an evocation of such suspended time that is associated with
the hidden time of reproduction.
At the end of Maggie Nelson’s The Argonauts, she writes:
Don’t produce and don’t reproduce, my friend said. But really there is no
such thing as reproduction, only acts of production. No lack, only desir-
ing machines. Flying anuses, speeding vaginas, there is no castration. When
all the mythologies have been set aside, we can see that, children or no
Foreword xxiii
children, the joke of evolution is that it is a teleology without a point, that
we, like all animals, are a project that issues in nothing.
But is there really such a thing as nothing, as nothingness? I don’t know.
I know we’re still here, who knows for how long, ablaze with our care, its
ongoing song.5
Notes
1 Hortense J. Spillers. ‘“All the Things You Could Be by Now, If Sigmund Freud’s Wife Was
Your Mother”: Psychoanalysis and Race’, Critical Inquiry,Vol. 22 (1996), pp. 710–734.
2 Frantz Fanon. Black Skin, White Masks. Translated by Charles Lam Markmann (New York:
Grove Press, 1967).
3 Joy James. ‘The Womb of Western Theory:Trauma,Time Theft, and the Captive Maternal’,
Carceral Notebooks, 12 (Part III: Carceral Logic Today, 2016), pp. 253–296. www.thecar
ceral.org/cn12/14_Womb_of_Western_Theory.pdf).
4 Bracha L. Ettinger. ‘The Matrixial Gaze’, in Brian Massumi (ed.), The Matrixial Borderspace
(Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press, 2007).
5 Maggie Nelson. The Argonauts (Minneapolis, MN: Graywolf Press, 2015), p. 143.
Preamble
Valerie Walkerdine
The maternal is central to each and every one of our lives; whether or not we
are or have been mothers, each of us was born to a mother, and the maternal in
all its forms enters our lives in many ways.
In the 1970s, Mary Kelly first exhibited work relating to the birth of her son
at the height of second wave feminism. It caused a sensation and a furore. Not
only were the visual arts confronting the politics of the female artist, but those
artists were confronting the centrality of the maternal in bold, new ways.
By 2015, when we organised a conference on the maternal in artistic prac-
tice, the reader might be forgiven for thinking that issues of the feminine and
maternal had been around now for several decades and thus that things would
have got easier for artist-mothers and for making artwork around the maternal.
Yet, at that conference, speaker after speaker recounted just how difficult it
was to work on the maternal in art schools still, how much opposition artists
were facing to the kind of work they were trying to make.Yet the conference
was brimming over with excitement and enthusiasm, with paper after paper,
discussion after discussion and hundreds of participants making a diverse and
wonderful array of different kinds of work.
It was as though there was both an incredibly strong vein of work already
existing but also a burning longing or desire for this work to be more strongly
seen and recognised and for the fire that burned in the excitement of those
heady days to be taken seriously.
Over the course of the days, we discussed topics as diverse as childlessness,
speaking to the maternal from the past, in the memory, embodied in the artist,
to work undertaken with and around children, that acknowledged the pres-
ence of children and childcare through metaphors such as ‘prams in hall’, to
the maternal as a structure, a way of engaging with the affective transmission
between bodies in which the possibility of the body that is neither one nor two
makes possible the liminal entry points into that which passes and has passed
between bodies, what Bracha Ettinger (2000) has called ‘art as the transport-
station of trauma’.
So let us turn to that transport-station – the ephemeral, liminal space in
which the past enters the present, unannounced and often unrecognised.
Preamble xxv
And that space entails not only conversations with actual mothers but with
the maternal in all its forms, including children who never were. In what
Ettinger calls the matrixial space, even the vaguest of embodiments can pass
through the thin membranes that separate the generations. We are caught so
that we do not even need to remember a ghost for it to cross that membrane –
it is that which associates itself with the co-emergence of bodies, of the trans-
port across boundaries, whether marked by generation or geography. It is this
wider sense of the maternal that marks its central role that Ettinger maps out.
That sense should not be confused with the maternal body or even the femi-
nine body per se.Yet the centrality of bodies as routes to the passageways across
generations is crucial. But it is art that, for Ettinger, has a special place because
of its ability to work with the affective, that which can barely be spoken but
which is nevertheless communicated. The chapters in this volume amply dis-
play and convey the power of art in this respect. As when Eleanor Bowen and
Laura González talk to ghosts, when Miriam Schaer creates dolls that are not
her children, when Lois Tonkin talks to women who imagined children they
never had, when Rachel Epp Buller and Aram Han Sifuentes talk of links to
past mothers and when Francesca Woodman, Bracha Ettinger and Tina Kinsella
talk of the pre-birth scene.
We are in the underworld, where the spirits communicate with us, whisper-
ing to the ears that exist across all the surfaces of our skin.We feel them and yet
we may not even be able to bear their loud whispering. I remember well that
whispering signalled as madness by a man I once interviewed who presented
so coherently and the wife so strangely that I no longer knew what to think
until I understood from the young daughter, who could hardly announce it
directly, that the mother, the so mad-seeming mother, had been abused by
the so rational-seeming father (Walkerdine, 1986). The mothers that form the
bridge to the next generation with their backs as Cherrie Moraga and Gloria
Anzaldua (1981/2015) so movingly announced all those years ago, the moth-
ers who, if we are lucky, we may get to care for in their old age, almost as if
they become our children, or we perhaps fear that we resemble too much. The
spaces replete with the droning of connection, almost as unbearable as radio
static, a connection that is, in its way, almost impossible to think – and yet
deeply fertile with its possibilities for an understanding well outside the logos
or episteme.
So, if we are to announce the maternal in art, it must surely signal the possi-
bility of a hugely expanded field of knowing otherwise. A field of co-knowing,
of ephemeral knowing held in common and telegraphically relayed across the
skin and viscera of generations. It is the possibilities that this presents that, for
me, are signalled by the present volume that begins to show just what brilliant,
diverse and yet profound and connected work is possible, will be possible and
indeed must be possible, not only for the echoes of the past but also for the
possibilities of the future.
xxvi Preamble
References
Ettinger, B. (2000) ‘Art as the Transport-Station of Trauma’, in Bracha Lichtenberg Ettinger:
Artworking 1985–1999, Gent: Ludion, pp. 91–115.
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and Kaplan, C. (eds.), Formations of Fantasy, London: Methuen.
1 Maternal art practice
An emerging field of artistic
enquiry into motherhood, care
and time
Elena Marchevska
[a] question to which there is only one right answer, at least as far as the
interrogator is concerned. These are questions that push you into the herd
or nip at you for diverging from it, questions that contain their own answer
and whose aim is enforcement and punishment.
(2017: 5)
Questions that can never be answered in the right way, questions that can
only be answered with open questions – as Solnit inquires: ‘Would you ask a
man that?’ (2017: 5).
***
As my pre-school age daughters play with their dollies, I listen how they mother them. Is
that my voice? Is that how they imagine and relive our relationship? How do we teach
maternal?
***
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8 Elena Marchevska
As they grow older, they voice the forthcoming maternal concerns: Do I need a man to
have children? Do I have to give birth? Do I need to have children? Can the planet
take more people? And, I leave my opinions and knowledge aside and I listen. Maybe
they know better, these children, young men and women, that need to take over.We don’t
need a mother (nor father) figure on the pedestal, we need lived knowledge and dreams,
imagining of a mutual future.
Maternal proposition
This collection is a response to major shifts in practice and theory around the
maternal which are created by fluidity and impermanency – of living condi-
tions, of employment, of female rights, of ecological uncertainties. By including
both theoretical perspectives and the writing of art practitioners, the collection
aims to bridge the gap between theory and practice and offer a unique interdis-
ciplinary perspective on the maternal art field. So, if you arrived here because
you are searching for answers and it appears that there is no art practice about
the maternal, I hope this will ground your experience and allow you to recon-
nect with artwork that unapologetically questions and celebrates maternal sub-
jectivities.There are multiple entry points into this field, and it is becoming very
clear that the maternal perspective is a missing link into the way we encounter
our fellow humans, our society and finally our planet.The book is interdiscipli-
nary by nature, precisely because these problems are not discipline specific. It is
difficult to follow a chronological, longitudinal history of maternal art practice,
because many of these projects are left hidden, are not properly archived or dis-
seminated. So, read these offerings as propositions to a different future, where
the discursive and social regulations of maternal bodies are diffused and reim-
agined. And follow your journey through the maternal conundrum attentively
and in dialogue with others. With hope that this collection will become an
invaluable resource for young art practitioners and students, I invite you to keep
challenging, questioning and realigning the maternal through your practice.
Notes
1 As an example, during the recent one-day event Oxytocin: Mothering the World, co-
organised by Birthrites Collection and Procreate Project in May 2019, the keynote
speaker Del LaGrace Volcano (genderqueer artist, performer and activist), was challenged
and attacked on the basis of their talk on parenting of non-binary children and Queer
Family Constellations. This also highlights how the maternal is at the forefront of discus-
sions about trans activism.The biological essentialist approach to the maternal appeared to
be heavily used by TERF (trans-exclusionary radical feminist) activists in the audience.
2 See Dobkin Jess. ‘Lactation Station’, 2006–2016.
3 See Clayton Lenka’s piece. ‘The Distance I Can Be from My Son’, 2013.
4 See Broda Ana Casas. ‘Kinderwunsch’ series, 2014
5 See Furse Anna. ‘Glass Body’, 2006 or Bobby Baker ‘Drawing on a Mother’s Experience’,
1998.
6 See Qualmann Clare. ‘Perambulator’, 2014.
7 See Annu Matthew Palakunnathu. ‘Re-Generation’ project, 2010
8 See Thompson Selina. ‘Salt’, 2017.
9 It is important to note the intellectual/academic collaboration and the actual embod-
ied, messy conversation emerging during various events. This entire book was conceived
Maternal art practice 9
during the Motherhood and Creative Practice: Maternal Structures in Creative Work conference,
which I co-organised with Valerie Walkerdine in 2015. But other important recent gath-
erings include the Gender Generation conference, A.M.M.A.A. a platform, Mothernist I
and II gatherings, Oxytocin I and II, New Maternalism events and exhibitions, the Cultural
ReProducers series of events and the Artist Parent Index, among many others.
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Jacksons Lane Arts Centre, London, September 2000.
Baraitser, L. (2008) Maternal Encounters:The Ethics of Interruption, London: Routledge.
Bright, S. (2013) Home Truths: Photography and Motherhood, London: Art/Books.
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Part I
Intergenerational maternal
discussions
2 Feminist intergenerational
inheritance
A conversation
Natalie Loveless and Mary Kelly
This interview was conducted in person at Kelly’s studio in Los Angeles, Cali-
fornia, in February of 2018 and has been edited for length and clarity. Mary
Kelly is one of the most important figures in feminist art, due to the range and
depth of her artistic projects as well as the insight and acuity of her writing. Her
first ‘breakout’ work, Post-Partum Document (1973–1979), was a conceptual and
research-based art installation that tracked and analyzed Kelly’s first six years of
motherhood through a psychoanalytic developmental lens. It took the form of
found object and text panels paired with psychoanalytically informed reflection
(139 pieces in total). A feminist response to both minimalist and conceptual art,
the work analyzed the maternal as a socially and affectively produced category.
In the decades since, Kelly has developed a wide range of works addressing war,
genocide, gender and race-based violence, history and collective action. This
interview discusses the political context surrounding Kelly’s early work (both
scholarly and artistic), linking this to the artist’s most recent installation, On the
Passage of a Few People through a Rather Brief Period of Time (2014). In between,
it covers her thoughts on the education of the artist and feminist consciousness
raising as a political strategy, and looks back at the context of the late 1960s and
early 1970s as a site of political potential for feminism today.
NATALIE LOVELESS: Mary, thank you for taking the time to do this interview. It is
such a thrill. I don’t know if I told you this when we first met in Santa Cruz
for the Complicated Labors exhibition,1 but your 1981 essay ‘Re-viewing
Modernist Criticism’ was the very first thing I ever encountered of yours.
I came across it on the bookshelf of a friend, in the edited volume Art after
Modernism. I devoured the essay and then followed up on your work, which
is how I discovered Post-Partum Document (see Plate 2.1 in the colour plate
section). . . . which led me to learn about conceptual art, minimalist art,
feminist art and then, of all things, I found myself picking up Lacan’s Ecrits
and reading the Mirror Stage essay! All of this outside of any formal educa-
tional context; just completely on my own, curious and following a thread
that started with your essay. I honestly think that if it weren’t for those steps,
I never would have ended up going on the journey that I did: going to art
school, then doing a PhD and getting a job teaching contemporary art and
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theory. I mean, it is of course never one thing that sets one on a path. But at
the same time, there are specific moments that one remembers as signifi-
cant, and, for me, this is one of them. I’d love to hear about when you wrote
it, and why you wrote it – how the essay came about.
MARY KELLY: Well, it was at the end of the ’70s, and, if we take the context of
art, and conceptual practices in England at the time, there were two camps.
One centred on art and language, and perhaps the shorthand would be to
say that this camp was engaged with Wittgenstein, and then there was the
other camp, which included Victor Burgin and myself. We were probably
the only visual artists involved, because it was mostly filmmakers – Laura
Mulvey and Peter Wollen, and film theorists like Claire Johnston and Paul
Willemen. This is because the practice that seemed to be most radical to
us at the time, given our theoretical interests (which mostly came from
France – semiotics and structuralist theories of the ’60s), was emerging in
film and photography.
I was always a bit of an anomaly in that camp because I didn’t use pho-
tography, but I did start out in film. I made a film called Antepartum before
I started Post-Partum Document. Anyway, being involved with the film cul-
ture, my friends were engaged in work around Screen. And then when Mark
Nash, who was interested in art, became the editor of Screen, we used to
Feminist intergenerational inheritance 15
talk a lot about how the concept of the ‘work of art’ was misunderstood by
all the French theorists – ranging from Bellour to Lyotard and Kristeva –
it, the artwork, was assumed under the guise of la peinture. The work of art
was something that you could take in a at glance, right? And so the idea of
a more expanded field, something time-based, ambitious and as engaging
as a film, was really not being considered. It is around this time that I talked
to Tim Clark about publishing the first version of his work on Olympia,
and then Peter Wollen wanted to write another response to it, and Victor
Burgin wrote his essay on photography, and Griselda wrote her influential
piece on Van Gogh, and then I wrote ‘Re-Viewing Modernist Criticism’,
and it all happened in a very short period of time, but it had a big impact.2
After this we saw the beginning of ‘the new art history’, which had a simi-
lar kind of a project.
So that was the way ‘Re-viewing Modernist Criticism’ started. And the
last section of the article (on exhibition and system) is really unfinished
business. A lot of people have told me they’ve taken up that idea, and
they’ve tried to run with it – the idea that the object of the critical dis-
course would be more appropriately directed to the exhibition than the
individual work. I was borrowing from Stephen Heath’s theory about film
and system. But my article made more use of Foucault than it did psycho-
analytic theory. I found a non-subjective theory of the subject more useful
in addressing the question of who’s speaking, and for whom, about the
institution, and the fractures within that discourse, right?
Borrowing from Foucault, I said that the artist may be the subject of the
exhibition statement, but he/she is not the author of the formulation. And
so, the curatorial voice, you know – what is that? I was arguing for us to
look at it as a material practice as well as an institutional discourse. What
kind of architecture frames the exhibition? How is each object displayed?
In a course called Exhibition and System, I really finished what I started in
that article, which was to take students to one exhibition and to do a very,
very close reading over a whole term.
NATALIE LOVELESS: That sounds pedagogically amazing. This ‘unfinished’ aspect
of the essay has been really influential for me, especially as a curator. For the
New Maternalisms exhibitions that I began working on in 2010, works were
not chosen as autonomous but for how they would work together (and
with the space) to bring attention to the question of the feminist maternal
in the form of an exhibitionary event.3 Your essay (and later writings)4 set the
stage for my development in ways that I totally internalised.What you were
arguing for with your conception of a diegetic installation practice and the
practice of reading a work of art really called to me.
Later I found myself moving away from conceptual art practices and
towards performance art and then interdisciplinary pedagogical theory and
practice (with my dissertation), and for a while it seemed like I was far away
from what initially inspired me in your work. Until I became pregnant,
my last year in my PhD, and then suddenly Post-Partum Document had a
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whole new meaning. The funny thing is, by that time I had forgotten how
much I had internalised, and rediscovering the depth of your influence in
the years since – how much you, through your art and theory, influenced
me – has been wonderful, humbling and gratifying. I am incredibly grate-
ful. It is an inheritance, a feminist conceptual and political art inheritance,
that I feel in deeply material ways.Would you consider writing a follow-up
essay?
MARY KELLY: I’m so glad you found it useful. I knew there was more work to
be done and I did have notes for a follow-up essay. Writing requires time,
though, as you know, and I felt that I needed to focus on my artwork. In
terms of pedagogy, at the centre of that argument, in ‘Re-Viewing Mod-
ernist Criticism’, is the unanswered question of how one actually approaches
the individual work of art. While, to address the complexity of this, I think
I needed Foucault to look at the exhibition as a system, it wasn’t sufficient to
deal with the individual works that were included. It was my feeling, and it
still is – and primary to that way that I teach – that you need semiotics in
order to talk about what I call the ‘material signifying reality’ of the visual
text. What I’ve devised over the years is a kind of mix of say, Schapiro talk-
ing about the extended non-mimetic conditions of the work, everything
outside of and up to the frame, and calling this the phenomenological
effect of the signifying system, which is physical, and somatic, and then
looking at the other side of that initial encounter with the work, consider-
ing the internalisation of simultaneity-in-time that an exhibition gener-
ates, and acknowledging that received knowledge about art within this
institutional discourse – certain things that define disciplines, for example,
painting as a central paradigm, this ideological baggage as I sometimes call
it – is already in place.5
So, you have these two things to consider. In the very first instance
there’s something physical, somatic and determined by the primacy of the
body in relation to a specific object. And then you have something so vast
and so different, which is what you’re bringing to it. So, it takes time to under-
stand how those come together, and then to talk about it. In a classroom
context, when we finish with the non-mimetic, as it were, it’s taken at least
an hour and we’re only up to the frame, right? Because there are all the
signifying elements such as lighting, and where the frame ends, or if it’s an
installation, then the spectator is included, all of those sorts of things.
I know it sounds very schematic, but I’ve found over the years that
it really works for students learning how to look at work to insist that
(in critique sessions) the artist doesn’t speak. The artist has made a visual
proposition, and it’s our ethical responsibility to acknowledge it as not us,
to acknowledge its difference. We have to be in what Agamben calls that
medial position, neither performing or enacting, for the ethical possibility
to emerge. Hold back on projections. Maybe it’s not what you want it to
be, but you’ll never know what it is unless you suspend judgment in favour
of anticipation and just encounter the object!
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So eventually, when we move on to the internal signifying system of the
work, I can then say, if it’s a painting, and we’ve gone over the significance
of having a frame or not, now we’re looking at the brushstroke. Taking the
linguistic model of the signifier as the smallest acoustic unit, as Saussure
would say, we look at the smallest visual unit combined with a concept to
produce a sign. So, you have a brush stroke, and either it has impasto, or it
doesn’t. And the colour that’s mixed on it is either subtractive or maybe
it’s primary. And it’s a round or it’s a flat brush. Every single one of those
signifiers attaches to a specific concept almost immediately. If you look at
everything too quickly, then you’re going to miss the fact that it is speak-
ing to you, right? I mean, I think it’s as literal as a child learning to read
a book, and you’re learning to look at a thing as if it is actually speaking.
And you say, ‘Ah. Impasto on the brush stroke.’You know? For the artist, it
is absolutely impossible with the impasto to go towards realism. Because in
order to do that, you have to use more medium, and less colour, so you can
model in relief. With impasto, your attention is drawn to the signifier in
itself, and towards a different kind of pleasure. And then you can see if that
adds up with what else is in the picture, I mean, in terms of shape and line
and texture as well as the relation of foreground, middle ground and back-
ground. And then there is the question of what kind of signs are privileged,
because it’s not likely that the work will privilege the iconic, the symbolic,
the indexical, all in the very same proportion. Say it privileges the indexical
sign, well, then we’re into the trace, a mark that has an existential relation
to the thing that made it. And this can happen in a way that’s obvious, like
the artist’s hand, evidenced in the stroke, or more complexly in a found
object that suggests the context where it was found. So, after Schapiro and
Saussure and Peirce, I go to Barthes’s notion of system and syntagm, which
is a bit like lexicon and syntax in the sentence, but applied to larger semi-
otic structures, and I say let’s see how the parts are put together. It’s a way
of organising the visual language. And it gets more complex as you look
at time-based work – a film, or a performance, which I love to decipher
because the body, used as medium, is a signifying system: does the artist
wear clothes? Do they make eye contact? All those things!
Then finally, as way of summarising what really has been a collective
process of analysis, I consider how the two rhetorical figures, metaphor and
metonymy, that Lacan privileges in ‘The Agency of the Letter’, function
in this specific artwork. Because every work, no matter how it’s organ-
ised, is going to be metaphorical in some sense. It’s going to have an ‘a-
ha’ moment – or a thwarted ‘a-ha’ moment – as its endgame. So how it
privileges this displacement of meaning, or how quickly or how slowly
it reaches the ‘a-ha’ moment, is very important. It’s like a Venn diagram,
bringing together dissimilar or similar things to produce a new system of
meaning. Of course, this kind of close reading that we do in the critique
is always in some sense incomplete. The object is (or objects are) also in
a situation . . . a context . . . this is where the analysis of exhibition and
18 Natalie Loveless and Mary Kelly
system would come in, and even that’s not the end of the story! Because
of my emphasis on the ethically non-projective viewer, we haven’t talked
about what’s going on there from the point of view of psychoanalysis, what
you’re bringing to it subjectively. That’s also interesting, but it’s a different
project. What you find in the psychoanalytic interrogation is that, as Lacan
says, it doesn’t help you to interpret the art object, but, rather, the art object
tells you something about the unconscious.
I just want to say one more thing about how I’ve now come to think
about this critique method in relation to feminism and the maternal. One
of the primary tenets of the feminist movement was that we didn’t speak
for others, as it were. I was very disposed to wanting a system that really
acknowledged that and let the artist speak, but the problem is, in the art
school, making the artist speak seems always to be this structure of putting
them in the hot seat and making them defend what they did, then people
criticising it and saying, ‘Why didn’t you do this or that?’ So, it didn’t seem
to be giving them a voice, in a way. Because they made the work, the
proposition –
NATALIE LOVELESS: – and that was the voice! –
MARY KELLY: Yes! We have to look, and understand this looking as a form of lis-
tening to the artist, through the work. So, I think that’s how I came around to
thinking that this was a better way of doing things. At first, I wouldn’t have
self-consciously called it feminism, it just kind of naturally came out of
that thinking, from the movement. And it was not a conventional approach
then. It was something kind of specific to my teaching, and I think it was
just the way that those conditions overlapped in my life at that moment in
time. When I went to teach at Cal Arts in 1987, Michael Asher was giving
his very famous critique sessions that went on for eight hours or more,
with the artist in the hot seat, right? And I did my version. Then students
started making a joke out it – his being the ‘phallocentric mode’ versus
mine, the ‘concentric mode’. And that was when I first started to think self-
consciously about it: ‘Oh yeah. Okay, concentricity – you know, that’s how
Michèle Montrelay talks about a different kind of psychic organisation of
the drives for the woman in relation to castration’. So, I thought, ‘it kind of
makes sense that there’s a way of working that is not phallocentric’. And as
far as the connection of concentricity to the maternal, I wouldn’t think of
this in the idealised sense (that women would be more likely to empathise
with the other). I think of it perhaps more as Montrelay does, having this
initial kind of connection to the maternal body – she calls it an ‘anxious
proximity’ – that’s difficult to sever. Sublimating the pleasure of having the
first object is essential, but there’s also something that, in combination with
the socialisation of the girl, or the woman, introduces a potential for empa-
thy. It’s certainly not a guarantee, no. But it’s a way of negotiating one’s
psychic economy as a woman.
Anyway, the most important thing, I think, was this practice of listen-
ing in the women’s movement, in the consciousness-raising groups early
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15 Ἀριστοτλίζειν.
22 Sprengel, i. 136.
26 Ib. i. 207.
27 Ib. i. 211.
29 Ib. i. 239.
30 Ib. i. 241.
31 Ib. ib.
We shall see, in the next chapter, that when the intellect of Europe
began really to apply itself to the observation of nature, the progress
towards genuine science soon began to be visible, in this as in other
subjects; but before this tendency could operate freely, the history of
botany was destined to show, in another instance, how much more
grateful to man, even when roused to intelligence and activity, is the
study of tradition than the study of nature. When the scholars of
Europe had become acquainted with the genuine works of the
ancients in the original languages, the pleasure and admiration
which they felt, led them to the most zealous endeavors to illustrate
and apply what they read. They fell into the error of supposing that
the plants described by Theophrastus, Dioscorides, Pliny, must be
those which grew in their own fields. And thus Ruellius, 33 a French
physician, who only travelled in the environs of Paris and Picardy,
imagined that he found there the plants of Italy and Greece. The
originators of genuine botany in Germany, Brunfels and Tragus
(Bock), committed the same mistake; and hence arose the
misapplication of classical names to many genera. The labors of
many other learned men took the same direction, of treating the
ancient writers as if they alone were the sources of knowledge and
truth.
33 De Natura Stirpium, 1536.
But the philosophical spirit of Europe was already too vigorous to
allow this superstitious erudition to exercise a lasting sway.
Leonicenus, who taught at Ferrara till he was almost a hundred
years old, and died in 1524, 34 disputed, with great freedom, the
authority of the Arabian writers, and even of Pliny. He saw, and
showed by many examples, how little Pliny himself knew of nature,
and how many errors he had made or transmitted. The same
independence of thought with regard to other ancient writers, was
manifested by other scholars. Yet the power of ancient authority
melted away but gradually. Thus Antonius Brassavola, who
established on the banks of the Po the first botanical garden of
modern times, published in 1536, his Examen omnium Simplicium
Medicamentorum; and, as Cuvier says, 35 though he studied plants in
nature, his book (written in the 369 Platonic form of dialogue), has
still the character of a commentary on the ancients.
34 Sprengel, i. 252.
42 Cuvier, p. 198.
43 Dedicatio, a 2.
After certain preparatory speculations, he says, 44 “Let us now
endeavor to mark the kinds of plants by essential circumstances in
the fructification.” He then observes, “In the constitution of organs
three things are mainly important—the number, the position, the
figure.” And he then proceeds to exemplify this: “Some have under
one flower, one seed, as Amygdala, or one seed-receptacle, as
Rosa; or two seeds, as Ferularia, or two seed-receptacles, as
Nasturtium; or three, as the Tithymalum kind have three seeds, the
Bulbaceæ three receptacles; or four, as Marrubium, four seeds,
Siler four receptacles; or more, as Cicoraceæ, and Acanaceæ have
more seeds, Pinus, more receptacles.”
44 Lib. i. c. 13, 14.