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An Interview With Gary Hamel
An Interview With Gary Hamel
An Interview With Gary Hamel
Jim Euchner [JE]: You have published many books over the structure—and that knowledge structure will remain unchal-
years, including Competing for the Future, Leading the Revolution, lenged, often for decades. Only slowly does pressure build
and your latest book, Humanocracy. Several threads run through as contrary evidence is accumulated, and then you have an
these books: the innovation imperative, the bureaucratic dif- intellectual revolution that embraces a different set of
ficulty of innovation, and the value of empowering people assumptions.
throughout the organization. Another theme, which is in the Kuhn said revolutions tend to come either from young
title of one of your books and is subtext of the others, is the people or from people outside the immediate field of inquiry.
need for revolutionaries to make innovative stuff happen. Can Even today most of the big ideas in Silicon Valley are coming
you discuss your concept of a corporate revolutionary? from outsiders—mostly young people but often people who
do not have 10 or 20 years of experience working in the
Gary Hamel [GH]: Let me start with innovation. It has particular industry they are now intending to change.
always seemed to me that the most important thing about My interest over the years has been how to create the
any strategy is how different it is from every other strategy context and the opportunity for those kinds of ideas to
or every other idea. It is clear to me that the ideas that really emerge. You have to start by recognizing that there is much
make a difference in our world are ideas that, at first glance, in organizations that works against any idea that is truly
are going to seem a little crazy. These ideas will not imme- unconventional. Almost by definition, any idea that is
diately have a constituency around them, and yet those are unconventional will also be uncomfortable for many people.
the ideas that move our species forward. The moment you recognize that, you start to understand that
One of the most influential books that I read early in my innovation is as much a political problem as it is a creativity
career was Thomas Kuhn’s The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. problem. How do you bring other people along? How do you
Kuhn said knowledge advances through punctuated equi- build a constituency for the future that is more powerful
librium. A group of scientists will come together and coalesce than the constituency for the status quo?
around a particular set of assumptions—some knowledge
JE: How do you answer that question?
Gary Hamel is one of the world’s most influential and iconoclastic business
thinkers. He has been on the faculty of the London Business School for more GH: Let me get a little intellectual for a moment and start with
than 30 years and is director of the Management Lab. Hamel has written articles an overarching framework that I think is useful. If you think
for numerous publications, including Harvard Business Review, The Financial about business, it is helpful to think in terms of the following
Times, The Wall Street Journal, and Fortune. He’s written several best-selling
hierarchy. At the top you have a paradigm—a worldview about
books, including Humanocracy, What Matters Now, and The Future of
Management. His books have been translated into more than 25 languages. the nature of business, the nature of human beings, the nature
He earned his PhD in international business from the University of Michigan of consumers, whatever it may be. You have acquired certain
and his MBA from Andrews University. gary@managementlab.org very deeply held assumptions about the nature of the world
Jim Euchner is editor-in-chief of Research-Technology Management and around you, and these are mostly invisible to you.
Honorary Professor at Aston University (UK). He previously held senior Those beliefs point you toward certain problems and away
management positions in innovation leadership at Goodyear Tire and Rubber from other problems. They help to define for you what prob-
Company, Pitney Bowes, and Bell Atlantic. He holds BS and MS degrees in
lems are worth solving. Once you are focused on a problem,
mechanical and aerospace engineering from Cornell and Princeton
Universities, respectively, and an MBA from Southern Methodist University. you tend to look for principles that will help you solve it. What
euchner@iriweb.org are the broad principles that are going to be useful in address-
DOI: 10.1080/08956308.2020.1842629
ing this problem?
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