AES vs SUMMIT AIR

Deciding Factors
1) Hours
2) Pay

AES
Advantages
• 50 hours a month guaranteed.
• Actual flight experience – Including planning etc
• Eligible for Permanent-Residency right away – Encore/Jazz
• Pilot in Command Time
• Edmonton
• More opportunities
Disadvantages
• Observer – 3 months
• VFR flying
• Pay off Summit fee.
• Half the Pay
• Single Engine Piston Time only
• Can be used as a transition phase to a bigger airline and not
sustainable as a career.
Summit Air
Advantages
• More Pay
• Bigger Company – Expanding
• Long Term Option
• Northern Flying experience**
• Multi-Turbine Time
• Upgrade to ATR/Avro RJ
Disadvantages
• 9 months of Wait
 • Dornier – 30 hours a month
• Takes 6 months to get to the ATR.
• 15 months to get to where you want to go.
Timeline Comparison
3 months
• AES
o Hours: 0
o Pay: $5400
• Summit
o Hours: 0
o Pay: $12,000
9 months
• AES
o Hours: 550 Hrs – Options Open Up
o Pay: $ 13,050
• Summit
o Hours: 0
o Pay: $36,000
12 months
• AES
o Hours: 700 Hours – Eligible for Porter/WestJet/Jazz
o Pay: $ 20700
• Summit
o Hours: 340 Hours – Possibility for ATR
o Pay: $48,000
Comparative Analysis
Summit Waiting Line
1) Tim – Hovering Stage – No medical
2) Juan – Training Phase – 16 months
3) Itello – Training Phase – 18 months
4) Edourd – 18 months
5) Rafael – 18 months
6) Eric – 18 Months
7) Abdullah – 16 months
8) JD – 16 months
9) Matti – 13 months
10) Heath – 13 months
11) Thomas – UK Position 12 months
12) Freddie – 7 months
13) Himantha – 7 Months
It takes an average of a month to train 1 person into the Dornier. From the
looks of it, it’s going take another 9 months for me. Dornier pilots make 30
hours a month.
To reach 500 Hours
Summit Route – By Summer next year – Flying Multi Engine – Multi
Turbine
• 30 hrs * 8 Months = 240 Hours + 250 Hours (Existing) = 490 Hours
• Total time = 9 months (In Wait) + 8 months (Flying) = 17 months
• Possibility of ATR/Avro RJ Upgrade around 5 months in Dornier
AES Route
• 50 hrs * 5 months = 250 Hours + 250 hours (Existing) = 500 Hours
• Total Time = 3 Months (In Wait/Observer) + 5 months (Flying) = 8
months
Verdict: By next Summer – I would have joined the flight line in Summit
however if I make the change to AES = I would have 500+ Hours and my
options open up to various companies to do multi-engine.
Number of ATR pilots leaving next year
 1) Hossein
2) Yoann
3) Patrick
4) Nitin
ATR Bond – 2 Years Yellowknife

Linked in Message
Good day Sir,
I am reaching out to you to give you an update and as well as require your
two cents to a conundrum I am in right now. You have been in the industry,
and I am sure you know how it has been progressing. I went to Edmonton
over the summer to build another 50 hours PIC to be eligible for MCC flying
as the minimum is 250 hours. Summit has been treating me really well.
Just that the wait time is taking forever. It has been 6 months so far and
only 3 people have moved up. I am currently standing at number 10 with 9
people in front of me. I foresee that it will take another 9 months for me to
get onto the flight line and start building multi turbine time. It takes roughly
a month to train a pilot in the Dornier. The average number of hours
Dornier pilots make is around 30/month based on the stats till date and
take note it is all multi turbine time. However, once we move to the
ATR/Avro RJ its around 70 hours a month. Being upgraded to the
ATR/Avro RJ depends on performance/Sim slot availability (Montreal) etc.

I have been offered a pipeline patrolling job in Edmonton. With the first 3
months (Max) as observer, I will make 50 hours a month in winter and more
in summer depending on weather etc. The good thing about this is its all-
PIC time however, it’s on a C172/182/206. My goal is to hit the regionals as
soon as possible. I would really appreciate it if you could shed some light.
What I have deduced is that if I continued to stay in Summit, I will still be at
250 hours by next summer. However, if I pursued the pipeline patrolling
job, I will be at 500 hours if not more by next summer. I am also aware
multi turbine time is highly essential for airlines but at the rate which the
demand for pilots in ongoing, would I stand a chance with single engine
PIC with around 500 hours? Even if I don’t meet the cut for the regionals,
will my hours get me into other 703/04 operators to gain some multi turbine
on a king air/Twin otter before I make it to the regionals?

Thank you so much for your time, I really appreciate you taking time to read
through.