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# Brett Kavanaugh and Christine Blasey Ford full testimonies before the Senate
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00:00:01.468 SEE.
00:00:01.668 THE WAY THAT THIS COUNTRY IS
00:00:03.036 DIVIDED CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.
00:00:04.470 THIS WILL BE A MICRO-- THIS
00:00:06.506 WILL BE A MICRO-- WHAT'S THAT
00:00:09.542 WORD?
00:00:10.143 >> MICROCOSM?
00:00:10.476 >> EXACTLY.
00:00:10.810 IT'S EARLY IN THE MORNING BUT
00:00:11.444 IT WILL BE THAT.
00:00:12.879 >> IT'S VERY TRUE.
00:00:13.312 NOT ONLY ARE WE WATCHING SORT
00:00:15.848 OF THIS PROCESS AND I THINK
00:00:17.851 ALMOST UGLIEST FORM PLAY OUT
00:00:19.151 BUT WE CANNOT IGNORE THE FACT
00:00:20.720 THIS IS ALL HAPPENING WITH THE
00:00:22.455 BACKDROP OF THE #METOO MOVEMENT
00:00:23.390 AND BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A
00:00:25.625 WHILE KNEW.
00:00:25.925 HI EVERYONE, I'M -- NOW.
00:00:27.460 HI EVERYONE, I'M ANNE-MARIE
00:00:29.262 GREENE.
00:00:30.063 >> AND I'M VLADIMIR DUTHIERS.
00:00:31.197 A MICROCOSM OF JOURNALISM HERE,
00:00:31.864 I'M GOING TO USE THE WORD NOW
00:00:34.334 IN SO MANY INSTANCES.
00:00:34.867 SO WE ARE JUST AN HOUR AWAY
00:00:37.136 FROM THAT UNPRIEST DEFERENTED
00:00:39.172 HIGH STAKES -- UNPRECEDENTED
00:00:41.307 HIGH STAKES HEARING ON CAPITOL
00:00:42.142 HILL WHERE SUPREME COURT
00:00:44.144 NOMINEE BRETT KAVANAUGH AND
00:00:44.844 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD WILL SOON
00:00:46.579 TESTIFY.
00:00:46.846 THEY'LL BOTH FACE QUESTIONS
00:00:47.413 FROM THE SENATE JUDICIARY
00:00:48.715 COMMITTEE ON THE ALLEGED
00:00:51.017 DECADES OLD INSTENT.
00:00:51.751 >> TODAY'S HEARING COMES AS NEW
00:00:54.187 SEXUAL MISCONDUCT ALLEGATIONS
00:00:54.921 SURFACE AGAINST KAVANAUGH.
00:00:57.857 CBS NEWS CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL
00:01:01.194 CORRESPONDENT NANCY CORDES HAS
00:01:01.828 MORE.
00:01:02.028 >> Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP
00:01:02.929 SAID HE IS STICKING BY JUDGE
00:01:04.664 BRETT KAVANAUGH BUT COULD BE
00:01:06.566 SWAYED BY BLASEY FORD.
00:01:07.066 >> SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU ARE
00:01:08.434 SAYING IS THERE IS A SITUATION,
00:01:10.803 THERE IS A SCENARIO UNDER WHICH
00:01:13.606 YOU WOULD WITHDRAW BRETT
00:01:15.808 KAVANAUGH'S NOMINATION.
00:01:16.308 >> IF I THOUGHT HE WAS GUILTY
00:01:18.278 OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
00:01:18.811 YEAH SURE.
00:01:19.112 I HAVE TO HEAR IT.
00:01:21.547 I CAN ALWAYS BE CONVINCE.
00:01:22.081 >> Reporter: AT THE SAME TIME
00:01:22.916 HE BLAMED THE ALLEGATIONS ON
00:01:25.919 DEMOCRATS.
00:01:26.619 >> ACTUALLY CON CARTISTS, THEY
00:01:27.854 KNOW -- ARTISTS, THEY KNOW HOW
00:01:30.123 QUALITY THIS MAN IS AND THEY
00:01:31.524 WANT TO DESTROY HIS REPUTATION
00:01:33.660 EVEN MORE.
00:01:34.694 >> Reporter: ON CAPITOL HILL.
00:01:35.895 TEMPERS ARE PARTICULARRING AS
00:01:36.996 REPUBLICANS A-- FLARING AS
00:01:37.630 REPUBLICANS ASSESS THE DAMAGE
00:01:39.265 FROM THE LATEST ACCUSATIONS.
00:01:42.202 WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION?
00:01:43.236 >> I HAVEN'T HEARD --
00:01:46.272 >> WE'RE LATE GUYS.
00:01:46.806 >> OKAY.
00:01:47.073 LISTEN.
00:01:47.306 LET'S KNOCK IT OFF FOR A
00:01:49.409 MINUTE.
00:01:49.642 >> Reporter: 55-YEAR-OLD JULIE
00:01:52.111 SWETNICK CLAIMS THAT AT HIGH
00:01:53.079 SCHOOL PARTIES SHE WITNESSED
00:01:55.014 BRETT KAVANAUGH AND OTHERS
00:01:56.516 CAUSE GIRLS TO BECOME
00:01:58.251 INEBRIATED AND DISORIENTED TO
00:01:58.918 THEN BE GANG RAPED IN A SIDE
00:02:06.993 ROOM.
00:02:07.193 SWETNICK'S LAWYER IS MICHAEL
00:02:09.362 AVENATTI.
00:02:09.829 >> THE IDEA THAT ALL THE WOMEN
00:02:12.265 GOT TOGETHER AND ABSURD.
00:02:13.600 >> Reporter: KAVANAUGH
00:02:15.034 FORCEFULLY DENIED THE CLAIMS IN
00:02:16.336 A TRANSCRIBED PHONE INTERVIEW
00:02:18.238 WITH INVESTIGATORS.
00:02:18.738 CALLING THE CLAIMS RIDICULOUS
00:02:20.673 AND A TOTAL TWILIGHT ZONE, AND
00:02:22.308 ADDING I HAVE NEVER
00:02:24.811 PARTICIPATED IN A GANG RAPE.
00:02:25.845 DEMOCRATS WERE SKEPTICAL.
00:02:27.180 >> WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS REALLY
00:02:33.753 APATTERN OF VILE, PREDATORY
00:02:34.320 SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
00:02:34.754 >> Reporter: ON THE EVE OF
00:02:37.657 TODAY'S HEARING, LAWYERS FOR
00:02:38.858 PROFESSOR CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD
00:02:40.059 RELEASED RESULTS AND PHOTOS
00:02:41.294 FROM A POLYGRAPH TEST SHE TOOK
00:02:43.029 IN AUGUST.
00:02:44.631 ACCORDING TO HER PREPARED
00:02:45.665 REMARKS, FORD WILL TELL THE
00:02:47.467 COMMITTEE, I WAS PUSHED FROM
00:02:48.501 BEHIND INTO A BEDROOM AT A HIGH
00:02:49.768 SCHOOL PARTY.
00:02:52.438 BRETT GOT ON TOP OF ME AND PUT
00:02:54.641 HIS HAND OVER MY MOUTH TO STOP
00:02:59.412 ME FROM SCREAMING, THIS
00:03:00.546 TERRIFIED MOE THE MOST.
00:03:01.046 IN HIS -- ME THE MOST.
00:03:04.083 IN HIS PREPARED REMARKS, HE
00:03:04.851 SAYS I HAVE NEVER SEXUALLY
00:03:06.985 ASSAULTED ANYONE.
00:03:07.687 NOT IN HIGH SCHOOL, NOT IN
00:03:09.989 COLLEGE.
00:03:10.323 NOT EVER.
00:03:10.590 >> THIS IS GETTING INTO THE
00:03:13.225 TWILIGHT ZONE.
00:03:13.760 YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BRETT
00:03:16.195 KAVANAUGH BEING A SERIAL RAPIST
00:03:17.096 DURING HIGH SCHOOL.
00:03:18.231 >> Reporter: MANY COMMITTEE
00:03:19.332 REPUBLICANS HAVE OPENLY
00:03:20.400 EXPRESSED DOUBTS ABOUT THE
00:03:23.036 ACCUSERS.
00:03:23.503 ARIZONA REPUBLICAN JEFF FLAKE
00:03:25.271 URGED BOTH SIDES TO KEEP AN
00:03:26.105 OPEN MIND.
00:03:26.806 >> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT JUDGE
00:03:28.241 KAVANAUGH IS SOME KIND OF
00:03:29.742 SERIAL SEXUAL PREDATOR.
00:03:30.877 BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT DR.
00:03:34.247 FORD IS PART OF SOME VAST
00:03:36.949 CONSPIRACY.
00:03:37.249 >> Reporter: ALL RIGHT --
00:03:37.816 ACTUALLY BEFORE WE GO FOR MORE
00:03:38.584 ON THIS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING
00:03:40.052 RIGHT NOW ARE PROTESTORS IN
00:03:42.956 WASHINGTON, D.C..
00:03:43.489 THEY'RE MAKING THEIR WAY
00:03:45.758 TOWARDS THE CAPITOL.
00:03:46.225 VLAD YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST TWO
00:03:47.226 DAYS OF THE HEARING FOR BRETT
00:03:49.762 KAVANAUGH, THERE WERE
00:03:52.899 PROTESTORS ACTUALLY IN THE
00:03:53.933 ROOM.
00:03:54.133 REALLY DISTURBING.
00:03:54.567 EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE SOMEBODY
00:03:56.569 HAD TO YELL OUT AND HAVE TO BE
00:03:58.171 REMOVED FROM THE ROOM.
00:03:59.672 I DON'T KNOW IF THIS TIME
00:04:01.107 AROUND THE PROTESTORS ARE
00:04:01.674 ACTUALLY BEGINNING TO GET IN
00:04:03.443 THE ROOM.
00:04:03.710 >> IF THEY DO IT WOULD BE
00:04:05.979 DETRIMENTAL TO WHAT'S HAPPENING
00:04:06.679 HERE BECAUSE IT WOULD DISTRACT
00:04:08.314 FROM THE REAL SERIOUS
00:04:09.515 ALLEGATIONS THAT CHRISTINE
00:04:10.950 BLASEY FORD HAS MADE.
00:04:11.417 AND IT WILL DETRACT FROM BRETT
00:04:15.021 KAVANAUGH'S PROTESTATIONS HE
00:04:16.255 DIDN'T DO THEM.
00:04:17.557 ALSO JUST SORT OF DIMINISH WHAT
00:04:19.926 WE'RE WITNESSING.
00:04:20.326 SO I REALLY DO HOPE AND THIS IS
00:04:22.228 JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION,I
00:04:23.463 HOPE THEY DON'T DISTURB THE
00:04:24.864 PROCEEDINGS.
00:04:25.197 IT'S GREAT TO PROTEST OUT HERE
00:04:26.399 IF THAT'S WHAT YOU FEEL
00:04:27.300 INCLINED TO DO BUT IN THE
00:04:29.068 PROCEEDINGS, I THINK BECAUSE
00:04:30.470 SHE'S ALREADY NOT USED TO THIS,
00:04:31.604 AND SHE'S PUT IN HER OPENING
00:04:33.539 TESTIMONY THAT SHE'S AFRAID TO
00:04:35.174 BE HERE, HAVING THESE
00:04:35.674 DISRUPTIONS I THINK WOULD BE
00:04:36.509 JUST NOT A GOOD THING.
00:04:37.710 >> I THINK THIS IS A GOOD RE
00:04:41.414 MINDER OF IS THAT WHILE THE
00:04:43.583 SENATORS WILL BE LISTENING TO
00:04:45.451 THE TESTIMONY, AND PRESUMABLY
00:04:46.051 MAKING A DECISION ON HOW
00:04:47.487 THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE, THE REST
00:04:48.788 OF THE COUNTRY IS WATCHING AS
00:04:51.324 WELL.
00:04:51.557 AND YEAH, THEY'RE NOT CHOOSING
00:04:52.859 THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.
00:04:53.426 BUT YOU KNOW IN A COUPLE OF
00:04:54.660 MONTHS THEY'LL BE HEADING TO
00:04:56.929 THE POLLS TO CHOOSE WHO THEIR
00:04:58.397 REPRESENTATIVE IS AND THEY'RE
00:04:59.365 GOING TO BE WATCHING HOW THE
00:05:01.634 REPUBLICANS PERFORM HERE.
00:05:02.434 SO JOINING US NOW IS REPUBLICAN
00:05:04.303 STRATEGIST AND CBS NEWS
00:05:05.104 CONTRIBUTOR LESLIE SANCHEZ TO
00:05:06.305 TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE
00:05:09.275 CAN EXPECT TODAY.
00:05:09.675 AND TO THAT, HE HAS SEE, THE
00:05:11.511 REPUBLICAN -- LESLIE, THE
00:05:13.579 REPUBLICANS HAVE BROUGHT IN
00:05:15.148 RACHEL MITCHELL.
00:05:15.548 SHE IS A SEASONED SEX CRIMES
00:05:19.919 PROSECUTOR.
00:05:20.219 THE LAWMAKERS, THE OLDER MEN,
00:05:22.188 THEY WON'T BE GRILLING THE
00:05:23.189 ACCUSER HERE OR BRETT KAVANAUGH
00:05:25.525 BUT RACHEL MITCHELL WILL.
00:05:26.926 WHAT WILL YOU BE WATCHING FOR?
00:05:28.661 BECAUSE THE FEELING IS THAT
00:05:29.562 THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE
00:05:32.298 OPTICS BUT DO YOU THINK
00:05:33.232 SUBSTITUTING THEM FOR A WOMAN
00:05:34.467 IS GOING REMEDY THAT PROBLEM?
00:05:35.934 >> I THINK FOR SOME PEOPLE
00:05:36.969 THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO BE
00:05:38.904 SATISFIED.
00:05:39.204 THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THIS IS
00:05:43.376 OUT OF PRECEDENCE AND NOT THE
00:05:43.976 WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE BUT
00:05:45.278 CLEARLY THE REPUBLICANS HAVE
00:05:47.547 LEARNED A LESSON FROM CERTAINLY
00:05:48.181 CLARENCE THOMAS AND HOW IT
00:05:49.115 LOOKS AND PERCEIVED AND SHOULD
00:05:51.451 THE NOMINATION MOVE FORWARD AND
00:05:53.185 GET AFFIRMATIVE VOTE.
00:05:53.652 THIS IS GOING TO BE PIVOTAL IN
00:05:55.554 THAT.
00:05:55.754 IN TERMS OF THE AMERICAN
00:05:57.290 PUBLIC'S ABILITY TO ACCEPT THAT
00:05:59.292 IT WAS A FAIR PROCESS FOR
00:06:01.127 CERTAINLY DR. FORD AND FOR THE
00:06:02.594 JUDGE.
00:06:03.029 SO THIS IS REALLY ABOUT WHAT IS
00:06:06.099 THE FAIREST WAY TO DEPOLITICIZE
00:06:07.400 EXACTLY WHAT VLAD WAS TALKING
00:06:09.135 ABOUT.
00:06:09.368 YOU SEE ALL THE PROTESTORS,
00:06:11.637 IT'S VERY HEIGHTENED POLITICAL
00:06:12.438 SENSE.
00:06:12.671 AND THE THING WE HAVE TO KEEP
00:06:14.073 IN MIND IS THAT IT'S VERY
00:06:16.609 FLUID.
00:06:17.410 IN TERMS OF PUBLIC SENTIMENTS.
00:06:18.144 FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE
00:06:21.047 ALREADY DECIDED THAT THEY'RE
00:06:21.781 CONVINCED AND THEY BELIEVE DR.
00:06:22.415 FORD, ALL DUE RESPECT TO THEM
00:06:25.518 BUT THERE'S A LOT OF FLUIDITY
00:06:26.151 AND EVEN YESTERDAY, THE
00:06:27.153 PRESIDENT WAS MOVING BACK AND
00:06:28.354 FORTH IN TERMS OF HOW HE -- HOW
00:06:30.523 SOLID HE WAS IN TERMS OF
00:06:32.758 SUPPORT OR BEING OPEN-MINDED.
00:06:33.392 AND IF YOU LOOK AT JUST -- I
00:06:34.594 WAS GOING TO SAY VLAD, THERE'S
00:06:37.730 A NEW MORNING CONSULT POLITICAL
00:06:39.966 REPORT SURVEY I'M SORRY, THAT
00:06:41.567 SHOWS THAT REPUBLICAN WOMEN
00:06:42.167 HAVE LOST SUPPORT FOR BRETT
00:06:44.636 KAVANAUGH BY 11 POINTS, SO
00:06:46.205 THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEGATIVE
00:06:47.406 EFFECT THAT ALL THIS IS HAVING
00:06:49.342 ON HIM.
00:06:49.642 >> ANNE MARIE MENTIONED THERE
00:06:51.010 ARE SOME LESSONS THAT HAVE
00:06:53.779 HOPEFULLY BEEN LEARNED FROM THE
00:06:54.647 1991 CLARENCE THOMAS AND HILL
00:06:56.248 HEARINGS.
00:06:56.515 BUT I WONDER, BECAUSE AS I OVER
00:06:59.519 THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, HAVE
00:07:00.920 LISTENED TO SENATOR GRAHAM TO
00:07:02.455 SENATOR JOHN CORNYN, TO SENATOR
00:07:04.991 ORRIN HATCH WHO LET'S REMEMBER
00:07:06.726 WAS VERY, VERY TOUGH AND
00:07:08.661 ULTIMATELY CRITICIZED FOR THE
00:07:10.596 WAY THAT HE WENT AFTER ANITA
00:07:12.832 HILL DURING THE 1991 HEARING,
00:07:13.466 THEY WAS THERE ON THE SENATE
00:07:14.834 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AT THE
00:07:16.469 TIME.
00:07:16.769 AS I HAVE LISTENED TO THEM.
00:07:19.238 THEIR AGGRESSION TOWARDS
00:07:19.772 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD HAS
00:07:21.474 BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE
00:07:23.009 VOCIFEROUS AND MORE VOCAL.
00:07:23.742 JOHN CORNYN TO HIS CREDIT HAS
00:07:24.844 SAID LOOK, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM
00:07:26.379 HER.
00:07:26.579 I WANT TO TREAT HER WITH THE
00:07:27.780 SAME RESPECT THAT I WOULD MY
00:07:31.851 WIFE.
00:07:32.051 MY DAUGHTER.
00:07:34.153 MY MOM.
00:07:34.386 BUT ORRIN HATCH AND NOW LINDSAY
00:07:35.921 GRAHAM HAVE REALLY GONE ON THE
00:07:37.289 OFFENSIVE AND I WONDER IF THEY
00:07:38.758 ARE NOT PERHAPS READING THE TEA
00:07:40.659 LEAVES THE WAY YOU ARE.
00:07:42.428 I'M SURE THEY ARE.
00:07:44.130 THEY HAVE A STAFF AND EVERYONE
00:07:45.197 OUT THERE TELLING THEM WHAT THE
00:07:47.366 VIBE IN THE COUNTRY IS BUT IT
00:07:48.934 ALMOST FEELS AS IF THEY ARE
00:07:51.103 PERSONALLY AFFRONTED BY THE
00:07:51.904 ACCUSATIONS THAT HAVE COME OUT
00:07:54.907 AND MAYBE THEY'RE CONFLATING
00:07:55.975 THE NUMEROUS ACCUSATIONS THAT
00:07:57.109 HAVE COME OUT SINCE HERS BUT
00:07:58.176 SHE'S THE ONLY ONE THERE TODAY.
00:08:01.880 >> DO YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAS
00:08:06.719 CHANGED HIS APPROACH?
00:08:07.186 THE PRESIDENT.
00:08:07.687 INWOUNDER IF THEY'RE FOLLOWING
00:08:08.821 HIS LEAD AS WELL.
00:08:09.989 >> Reporter: LET'S MAKE YOUNG
00:08:11.724 MEN AND HIMSELF HE'S BEEN
00:08:13.426 VICTIMIZED BY ALL THE FALSE
00:08:14.760 ACCUSATIONS.
00:08:15.093 OR YOU KNOW NEARLY TWO DOZEN
00:08:16.095 WOMEN.
00:08:16.529 THAT HAVE COME FORWARD AND HAVE
00:08:18.931 ACCUSED HIM OF VERY SIMILAR
00:08:20.833 THINGS AND HE HAS A VERY
00:08:22.568 PARTICULAR LENS.
00:08:22.968 A PERSONAL LENS BY WHICH WE
00:08:27.006 VIEWS THIS.
00:08:27.973 AND THERE ARE CERTAINLY PEOPLE
00:08:28.908 IN BASE AMERICA AND OTHERS WHO
00:08:30.042 FEEL THE SAME WAY AND IT'S
00:08:30.943 ALMOST LIKE YOU ARE HEARING THE
00:08:33.279 SENATORS ECHO THAT SENTIMENT.
00:08:34.480 AND PART OF IT IS, THE
00:08:36.448 OVERREACH.
00:08:36.749 IT'S NOW IT EMS LIKE IT'S
00:08:38.951 KIND OF PILING ON ALL THESE
00:08:41.620 DIFFERENT ANONYMOUS LETTERS.
00:08:42.287 MAYBE I RECOLLECT IT.
00:08:43.321 MAYBE I DON'T.
00:08:44.590 AND THE DIFFERENCE IS, DR.
00:08:47.126 FORD, IT'S REALLY GOING TO
00:08:48.728 COMMA KNOW A MA KNOW.
00:08:50.362 HAND TO HAND -- COME MANO E
00:08:56.034 MANO.
00:08:56.234 VERY STRONG APPEAL -- ON BOTH
00:08:58.704 SIDES.
00:08:59.005 >> ALL RIGHT LET'S BRING IN OUR
00:09:01.340 FRIEND.
00:09:01.573 WHO IS JOINING US ALSO FROM
00:09:04.577 WASHINGTON, D.C..
00:09:04.977 LINDA TRAN.
00:09:05.611 YOU ARE THE FOUNDING PARTNER OF
00:09:06.445 270 STRATEGIES AND YOU ARE
00:09:07.847 JOINING US FROM WASHINGTON.
00:09:08.747 ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON OUR
00:09:10.516 PANEL.
00:09:10.917 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
00:09:11.884 >> THANK YOU.
00:09:12.818 >> SO LET ME ASK YOU SORT OF A
00:09:16.489 SIMILAR QUESTION.
00:09:16.889 WE ALL HAVE NOW SEEN THAT
00:09:18.724 PHOTOGRAPH.
00:09:19.024 THAT WAS SNAPPED BY OUR BEAU
00:09:24.997 ERICSON OF SENATOR MURKOWSKI
00:09:25.597 AND FEINSTEIN SOMEWHERE IN THE
00:09:27.033 CAPITOL BUILDING AND MAYBE
00:09:28.868 THROW THAT PICTURE UP.
00:09:29.634 BUT IT SHOWS SORT OF THE
00:09:32.437 INTENSE DISCUSSION THAT SENATOR
00:09:34.006 FEINSTEIN IS HAVING WITH LISA
00:09:36.142 MURKOWSKI.
00:09:36.442 WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT?
00:09:37.943 BECAUSE MURKOWSKI AND COLLINS
00:09:39.912 AND BOB CORKER AND JEFF FLAKE
00:09:42.214 ARE THOSE SENATORS WHICH ARE
00:09:45.317 SORT OF UNDECIDED.
00:09:46.285 AT LEAST IN PUBLIC STATEMENTS
00:09:48.287 THAT THEY'VE MADE.
00:09:48.720 UNDECIDED ABOUT WHERE THEY
00:09:51.657 ULTIMATELY WILL VOTE.
00:09:52.258 AND HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THESE
00:09:53.592 ALLEGATIONS THAT HAVE COME OUT.
00:09:54.727 AT THE VERY LEAST, SOME OF THEM
00:09:57.063 HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THE SENATE
00:09:58.464 SHOULD OR THE PRESIDENT SHOULD
00:10:00.199 ASK THE FBI TO INVESTIGATE
00:10:02.902 THESE ALLEGATIONS.
00:10:03.568 ALL EYES WILL BE ON THEM.
00:10:05.037 THE HOW MUCH -- HOW MUCH
00:10:09.642 INFLUENCE DO YOU THINK THAT
00:10:10.209 SENATOR FEINSTEIN FOR EXAMPLE
00:10:10.910 WILL HAVE ON HER FRIENDS
00:10:12.745 BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT.
00:10:13.512 THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE FRIENDS
00:10:14.580 AND THEY'RE COLLEAGUES AND THEY
00:10:16.082 DO TALK TO EACH OTHER BEYOND
00:10:19.018 THE CAMERAS.
00:10:20.385 >> YES.
00:10:20.652 I MEAN, IT'S ANYONE'S GUESS
00:10:22.521 WHAT PRECISELY THEY WERE
00:10:23.923 TALKING ABOUT AS YOU SAID IN
00:10:25.758 THE BOWELS THERE.
00:10:26.926 BUT YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE THAT
00:10:29.095 SENATOR FEINSTEIN WAS APPEALING
00:10:32.264 TO SENATOR MURKOWSKI TO GIVE
00:10:33.966 THE ACCUSER A CHANCE TO STATE
00:10:35.067 HER CASE.
00:10:35.467 TO LISTEN TO THE DETAILS THAT
00:10:38.404 SHE PROVIDES.
00:10:38.737 TO LISTEN TO THE RESPONSES THAT
00:10:40.106 SHE OFFERS TODAY TO THE
00:10:41.340 QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL HEAR FROM
00:10:43.676 THE PROSECUTOR.
00:10:44.043 BEFORE SHE MAKES A DECISION.
00:10:45.343 ALSO IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT IN
00:10:46.712 ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT
00:10:48.013 SENATOR MURKOWSKI IS GOING TO
00:10:49.815 BE A KEY VOTE IN THAT
00:10:51.484 PARTICULAR SCENARIO, ALSO BEEN
00:10:52.418 ESSENTIALLY A SWING VOTE ON
00:10:53.719 SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT
00:10:55.454 HAVE COME BEFORE THE SENATE
00:10:58.624 DURING THE TRUMP
00:10:59.759 ADMINISTRATION.
00:11:00.126 INCLUDING THEIR EFFORT TO
00:11:00.660 REPEAL THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
00:11:03.295 SO LISA MURKOWSKI IS USED TO
00:11:04.897 BEING IN THE SPOTLIGHT.
00:11:05.397 SHE IS SOMEBODY WHO HAS MADE A
00:11:07.633 CAREER OUT OF DEMONSTRATING HER
00:11:10.703 INDEPENDENCE.
00:11:11.036 AND I BELIEVE THAT SHE WILL
00:11:13.138 LISTEN TO WHAT HAPPENS TODAY
00:11:15.107 WITH GREAT ATTENTION.
00:11:16.008 >> LINDA, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT
00:11:16.575 YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
00:11:18.778 THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK
00:11:19.979 ABOUT REPUBLICAN SENATORS LIKE
00:11:20.679 JEFF FLAKE AND YOU KNOW WHETHER
00:11:21.714 OR NOT THEY ALL DECIDE NOD TO
00:11:24.850 VOTE IN -- NOT TO VOTE IN FAVOR
00:11:27.319 OF HIM.
00:11:28.354 BUT THERE ARE DEMOCRATS TOO
00:11:30.389 LIKE JOE MANCHIN WHO ARE
00:11:31.223 FACTORING IN THAT HE'S COMING
00:11:32.591 FROM A SPREAD STATE.
00:11:33.058 IS THERE ANY ANSWER -- RED
00:11:34.126 STATE.
00:11:34.660 IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT
00:11:36.528 REPUBLICANS COULD VOTE IN HIS
00:11:38.497 FAIR OR IN THIS ENVIRONMENT
00:11:41.033 THAT'S -- FAVOR OR IN THIS
00:11:44.770 ENVIRONMENT THAT'S NEVER GOING
00:11:46.906 TO HAPPEN?
00:11:47.739 DEMOCRATS RATHER.
00:11:48.139 >> DEMOCRATS, THE SENATORS WHO
00:11:49.208 ARE ALSO UNDER THE SPOTLIGHT
00:11:52.278 AND CERTAINLY INCLUDE SENATOR
00:11:53.312 MANSION.
00:11:53.579 BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT
00:11:55.014 ACTUALLY THE DSCC JUST PULLED
00:11:57.850 SOME OF THEIR DEDICATED BUDGET
00:11:59.151 TO ADVERTISEMENTS IN SUPPORT OF
00:12:00.786 HIM.
00:12:00.986 SO THERE'S A SENSE THAT HE'S IN
00:12:02.087 A PRETTY GOOD POSITION AND
00:12:04.056 HONESTLY, THE FACT THAT DR.
00:12:04.757 FORD HAS COME FORWARD AND SOME
00:12:07.026 OF THESE OTHER ACCUSATIONS HAVE
00:12:10.129 OCCURRED, MAKES IT SOMEWHAT
00:12:11.163 EASIER FOR EVEN THE RED STATE
00:12:12.665 DEMOCRATS THAT WE'VE BEEN
00:12:14.500 WATCHING TO POTENTILLY VOTE
00:12:15.100 NO.
00:12:15.267 DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY
00:12:17.803 VOTED TO SUPPORT KNEEL GORSUCH
00:12:20.339 LAST -- NEIL GORSUCH LAST GO
00:12:21.674 ROUND.
00:12:21.907 >> THE RESULTS OF THE TEST ARE
00:12:23.008 NOW IN THE HANDS OF THE SENATE
00:12:24.410 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TODAY.
00:12:24.977 THE DOCUMENTS SHOW FORD TEST
00:12:27.046 THE TEST ON -- TOOK THE TEST ON
00:12:30.282 AUGUST 7th AND PASSED.
00:12:31.650 CBS NEWS POLITICAL
00:12:32.117 CORRESPONDENT ED O'KEEFE SPOKE
00:12:33.219 WITH THE FORMER FBI AGENT WHO
00:12:35.254 CONDUCTED THE POLYGRAPH EXAM.
00:12:37.323 LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO THAT.
00:12:38.724 >> ALTER BEHAVIOR, I FELT HER
00:12:42.161 ANSWERS DURING THE INTERVIEW
00:12:44.262 WERE VERY APPROPRIATE.
00:12:45.197 SO AGAIN, SHE WAS NERVOUS AND
00:12:46.732 EVERYBODY WHO TAKES THE TEST --
00:12:47.633 SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS NERVOUS AND
00:12:50.236 EVERYBODY WHO TAKES THE
00:12:51.170 POLYGRAPH TEST IS NERVOUS.
00:12:52.237 I THOUGHT ALL THE BEHAVIORS AND
00:12:53.305 ALL HER ANSWERS I THOUGHT
00:12:54.507 EVERYTHING THAT SHE DID WAS
00:12:56.207 APPROPRIATE.
00:12:56.742 WHAT WE BASICALLY CALL IT WAS
00:12:58.343 AN UNREMARKABLE POLYGRAPH TEST.
00:13:01.914 >> BUT IS HER INNER TRUTH, WHAT
00:13:04.250 SHE BELIEVES TO BE TRUE,
00:13:06.385 POTENTIALLY NOT THE ACTUAL
00:13:08.621 TRUTH?
00:13:08.888 >> PEOPLE SOMETIMES THINK OKAY.
00:13:09.655 IF I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS
00:13:11.190 EVENT HAPPENED, THEN I CAN PASS
00:13:13.726 A POLYGRAPH.
00:13:14.393 THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
00:13:14.960 THAT CAN HAPPEN.
00:13:16.762 HOWEVER, YOU -- THAT'S ONE OF
00:13:18.364 THE REASONS YOU DO YOUR
00:13:21.233 INTERVIEW BEFOREHAND.
00:13:21.700 OKAY?
00:13:21.900 YOU ASKED QUESTIONS AND YOU
00:13:23.902 ASKED FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS OKAY?
00:13:24.569 IS THAT A POSSIBILITY TO
00:13:26.739 SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD
00:13:28.273 HAPPEN?
00:13:28.506 ABSOLUTELY.
00:13:28.807 BUT IN MY OPINION, AND AFTER
00:13:29.808 HER PASSING THE TEST AND MY
00:13:31.643 INTERACTION WITH HER, I DON'T
00:13:35.080 THINK SHE'S MISTAKEN.
00:13:35.647 >> YOU KNOW, LESLIE I THINK
00:13:36.715 IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE TEST BE
00:13:37.649 SUBMITTED TO THE SENATE
00:13:40.452 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
00:13:40.919 BECAUSE YOU HAVE HEARD PEOPLE
00:13:41.987 EVERYONE FROM THE PRESIDENT OF
00:13:43.355 THE UNITED STATES TO SURROGATES
00:13:46.892 FOR BRETT KAVANAUGH SEEMINGLY
00:13:48.928 SUGGESTING THAT WHAT WE'RE
00:13:49.728 WITNESSING WHEN IT COMES TO
00:13:52.064 THESE SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS OF
00:13:52.765 SEXUAL ASSAULT AND ABUSE ARE
00:13:53.599 SOMEHOW AND TO USE THE
00:13:56.402 PRESIDENT'S WORDS, A CON JOB.
00:13:59.004 THAT THIS -- THIS PERSON, THIS
00:14:00.639 DOCTOR, WOKE UP ONE DAY AND
00:14:02.274 SAID YOU KNOW WHAT?
00:14:03.175 I DON'T LIKE BRETT KAVANAUGH
00:14:03.775 AND I'M GOING TO PUT MY
00:14:06.145 FAMILY'S LIFE OUT THERE AND
00:14:06.878 BUTT MY KIN -- PUT MY
00:14:08.080 CHILDREN'S LIFE OUT THERE AND
00:14:08.981 I'M GOING TO COME OUT AND
00:14:12.618 SUGGEST SOMETHING THAT'S
00:14:13.852 EXPLOSIVE SIMPLY BECAUSE I'M A
00:14:15.654 TOOL OF THE DEMOCRATS.
00:14:18.057 NOW ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE
00:14:19.758 ALSO SOME KIND OF A PLOT TO
00:14:23.028 DERAIL WRECK'S NOMINATION.
00:14:23.929 -- BRETT KAVANAUGH'S
00:14:25.331 NOMINATION.
00:14:25.631 WHEREAS WE DIDN'T SEE THAT WITH
00:14:27.366 NEIL GORSUCH OR JOHN ROBERTS OR
00:14:28.300 ALL THE OTHER SUPREME COURT
00:14:31.036 NOMINEES THAT HAVE COME SINCE
00:14:32.004 CLARENCE THOMAS.
00:14:32.404 SO ISN'T IT IMPORTANT FOR THE
00:14:34.340 REPUBLICANS ON THE COMMITTEE
00:14:34.973 AND THE REPUBLICANS WHO MAKE UP
00:14:36.976 THE SENATE AS A WHOLE, TO NOT
00:14:40.512 SEEMINGLY IMPUGN HER CHARACTER
00:14:41.246 JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE
00:14:42.915 SUPPORTIVE OF BRETT KAVANAUGH?
00:14:45.584 >> EXACTLY RIGHT.
00:14:46.819 BECAUSE THE DEFAULT WAS -- THE
00:14:48.120 KNEE JERK RESPONSE, WE WILL
00:14:49.655 SUPPORT BRETT KAVANAUGH AT ALL
00:14:51.223 COSTS.
00:14:52.524 THERE'S NOTHING, AFTER SIX FBI
00:14:54.225 INVESTIGATIONS, AFTER TWO
00:14:54.860 CONFIRMATIONS, TO BELIEVE THAT
00:14:55.561 HE WOULD HAVE THIS IN HIS
00:14:57.830 CHARACTER.
00:14:58.130 BUT NO ONE WITHIN BACK AND
00:14:59.031 ASKED WHAT YOU DID AT THE HIGH
00:15:00.432 SCHOOL PARTY RIGHT?
00:15:00.899 SO THIS IS A NEW AREA WE'RE
00:15:04.370 GOING INTO.
00:15:04.703 IT'S THE VERIES ARETY OF
00:15:10.910 INDEPENDENCE -- VORACITY OF
00:15:12.177 INDEPENDENCE.
00:15:12.778 THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
00:15:13.579 IF YOU ARE GOING TO CHALLENGE
00:15:16.949 SOMEBODY OF BRETT KAVANAUGH'S
00:15:17.750 CHARACTER.
00:15:18.050 AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS HARD TO
00:15:20.986 TAKE THE POLITICAL ASPECT FROM
00:15:22.654 REALLY HOW SERIOUS THIS
00:15:23.188 ALLEGATION IS AND THAT'S WHY I
00:15:25.491 THINK FUNDAMENTALLY IT COMES
00:15:26.191 DOWN TO THE TWO PEOPLE.
00:15:27.426 NOT THE OTHER NOISE OF OTHER
00:15:30.662 KIND OF INSTANTED AND --
00:15:32.464 UNSUBSTANTIATED AND SOME WOULD
00:15:35.000 ARGUES THIS UNSUBSTANTIATED.
00:15:35.701 BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
00:15:36.268 DESERVE THIS IS AMOUNT OF
00:15:38.003 RESPECT.
00:15:38.637 >> WHY ARE THE MALE SENATORS SO
00:15:40.773 INCLINED TO GO ON TELEVISION
00:15:42.107 AND FOX NEWS AND BE
00:15:43.709 DISBELIEVING OF HER ASSERTIONS
00:15:44.943 BUT ARE UNWILLING TO SATE IN A
00:15:46.245 LINE OF FIRE -- SIT IN A LINE
00:15:47.880 OF FIRE AND QUESTION HER WHEN
00:15:49.681 SHE'S STANDING RIGHT IS THERE?
00:15:50.682 >> THE TRUTH IS THEY'RE SO
00:15:53.052 CYNICAL.
00:15:54.353 I MEAN ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN IN
00:15:55.721 WASHINGTON THIS LONG FINDS IT
00:16:00.359 HARD TO BELIEVE THAT AN HONEST
00:16:01.593 PERSON WOULD COME FORWARD AFTER
00:16:04.330 30 MANAGER YEARS.
00:16:05.464 THEY -- SOMETHING YEAR, VERSUS
00:16:07.966 A POLITICALLY CONCAVED
00:16:08.466 MOTIVATOR AND YOU HAVE SCHUMER
00:16:10.235 IN THE BACK ROOM WRINGING HIS
00:16:11.103 HANDS TRYING TO ORCHESTRATE
00:16:12.904 THIS.
00:16:13.104 THAT'S THE CHALLENGE AND
00:16:13.839 THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE
00:16:15.007 PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE THAT
00:16:16.075 REGARDLESS WHAT HAPPENS TODAY.
00:16:17.443 >> WOW.
00:16:17.676 THERE ARE PROTESTORS IN THIS
00:16:18.677 SIDE THAT ROOM SHARON -- THAT
00:16:20.112 ROOM SHARON.
00:16:21.279 >> OUTSIDE, OUR PRODUCER
00:16:22.247 TELLING THE PROTESTORS ARE
00:16:23.015 OUTSIDE AND POLICE ARE SORT
00:16:24.183 AFTER APPEASING AS WELL -- OF
00:16:27.319 AMASSING AS WELL OUTSIDE.
00:16:28.020 WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THINGS
00:16:30.489 HERE AND EMOTIONS ARE RUNNING
00:16:31.223 HIGH AND YOU CAN SEE AT LEAST
00:16:33.358 ONE PROTESTER THERE WITH TEARS
00:16:36.795 IN THEIR EYES.
00:16:37.162 SEVERAL HAVE SHIRTS THAT SAY
00:16:38.931 THEIR SURVIVORS.
00:16:40.833 THE STAKES ARE VERY HIGH.
00:16:41.567 AND VERY PERSONAL FOR A LOT OF
00:16:43.635 PEOPLE.
00:16:43.869 BUT CERTAINLY THE PEOPLE WHO
00:16:45.304 HAVE GATHERED HERE.
00:16:45.737 SO WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT'S
00:16:48.740 GOING ON HERE.
00:16:49.107 LESLIE AND LINDA YOU ARE GOING
00:16:49.741 TO BE WITH US ALL MORNING LONG
00:16:54.913 AND TAPPING INTO YOUR
00:16:56.914 EXPERTISE.
00:16:57.215 >> YEAH AND IN FACT ONE NOTE
00:16:59.485 FROM OUR ED O'KEEFE HE CONFIRMS
00:17:02.821 FOR US IS DR. BLASEY FORD.
00:17:06.090 HER HUSBAND AND CHILDREN ARE IN
00:17:07.826 WASHINGTON.
00:17:08.627 SHE MADE THE -- NOT IN
00:17:09.694 WASHINGTON.
00:17:09.994 SHE MADE THE TRIP SOMEWHERE
00:17:11.128 SOME CLOSE FRIENDS.
00:17:11.597 YOU CAN -- WITH SOME FRIENDS.
00:17:13.866 YOU CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND,
00:17:14.933 SHE SAYS SHE IS AFRAID TO BE
00:17:16.635 HERE.
00:17:16.835 >> COMING UP AFTER THE BREAK
00:17:18.337 THE PRESIDENT LASHED OUT AT
00:17:19.438 REPORTERS AND PRAISED BRETT
00:17:20.071 KAVANAUGH DURING A RARE NEWS
00:17:21.673 CONFERENCE YESTERDAY.
00:17:22.374 >>> UP NEXT, WE'LL HEAR FROM
00:17:23.709 OUR WEIJIA JIANG WHO WAS THERE
00:17:24.910 AND GOT CAUGHT IN THE
00:17:25.711 CROSSFIRE.
00:17:29.781 >>> IF I COULD JUST ACTUALLY
00:17:36.254 AND MY QUESTION MR. TRUMP.
00:17:37.523 >> YOU'VE BEEN ASKING YOUR
00:17:38.924 QUESTION FOR TEN MINUTES,
00:17:39.958 PLEASE SIT DOWN.
00:17:40.358 PLEASE GO AHEAD.
00:20:10.175 >>> WE ARE LESS THAN AN HOUR
00:20:11.610 AWAY FROM THE STAT OF THE HIGH
00:20:13.745 STAKES HEARING AT THE SENATE
00:20:14.913 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WHERE
00:20:15.948 SUPREME COURT NOMINEE BRETT
00:20:16.515 KAVANAUGH AND ONE OF HIS
00:20:19.017 ACCUSERS CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD
00:20:23.088 WILL TESTIFY.
00:20:24.122 >> SAMANTHA GARY IS A FORMER
00:20:30.295 CLASSMATE AND 40 YEAR FRIEND OF
00:20:31.596 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD.
00:20:32.130 EARLIER SHEWAS ON "CBS THIS
00:20:33.999 MORNING."
00:20:34.266 >> SOME OF THE QUESTIONING
00:20:34.933 ABOUT HER RECOLLECTION OF THIS
00:20:38.904 EVENT IS CENTERED AROUND THE
00:20:40.272 SPECIFICITY ON THE ONE HAND BUT
00:20:41.607 ALSO THE VAGUENESS ON THE OTHER
00:20:44.142 HAND.
00:20:44.342 IN TERMS OF HER ACCOUNT.
00:20:45.177 HOW DO YOU SORT THROUGH THOSE
00:20:47.946 DETAILS?
00:20:48.213 IS IT POSSIBLE IN YOUR MIND
00:20:48.814 WHILE YOU BELIEVE YOUR FRIEND
00:20:49.615 AND YOU BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING
00:20:52.250 HAPPENED, ARE YOU AS CERTAIN
00:20:53.352 THAT IT WAS THIS SPECIFIC
00:20:55.587 PERSON, JUDGE KAVANAUGH, THAT
00:20:57.756 WAS INVOLVED IN WHATEVER
00:21:01.793 HAPPENED?
00:21:02.060 >> I AM.
00:21:02.527 I AM.
00:21:03.061 I THINK IT'S WELL DOCUMENTED
00:21:06.531 FROM EVERYTHING I'VE BEEN
00:21:07.098 HEARING AS WELL AS THROUGH THE
00:21:09.267 NEWS AND WHATNOT THAT YOU KNOW
00:21:10.602 PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THESE TYPES
00:21:14.239 OF TRAUMAS HAVE ACUTE MEMORY OF
00:21:16.742 A LOTO DETAILS AND THERE ARE --
00:21:17.809 OF DETAILS AND THERE ARE A LOT
00:21:19.177 OF THINGS THAT ARE SOMEWHAT
00:21:23.248 VAGUE.
00:21:24.783 I THINK THAT'S FAIRLY TYPICAL.
00:21:25.416 BLUE THIS CASE HUH -- BUT IN
00:21:26.285 THIS CASE SHE KNEW BRETT
00:21:27.018 KAVANAUGH AND SHE KNEW WHO WAS
00:21:29.287 ATTACKING HER AND THERE'S NO
00:21:32.224 QUESTION ABOUT HIS ISOLATE.
00:21:35.359 MISS -- IDENTITY.
00:21:35.760 THIS IS SOMETHING SHE'S BEEN
00:21:37.763 CLEAR ON SINCE THE BEGINNING
00:21:40.332 AND EVERIEN STANCE THAT --
00:21:42.034 INSTANCE THAT SHE BROUGHT THE
00:21:43.068 INFORMATION FORWARD TO A
00:21:44.469 FRIEND.
00:21:45.871 >> OKAY SAMANTHA GARY THANKS SO
00:21:47.873 MUCH.
00:21:48.073 >> MY PLEASURE.
00:21:48.440 >> AND ADAM BLAKE IS A SENIOR
00:21:50.141 POLITICAL REPORTER FOR THE
00:21:51.009 "WASHINGTON POST" AND JOINS US
00:21:53.345 NOW FROM WASHINGTON.
00:21:53.845 SO AARON, A FULL SENATE VOTE
00:21:56.815 FOR BRETT KAVANAUGH'S CON FIR
00:21:57.415 MISSION COULD BE MUCH CLOSER
00:22:00.952 THAN ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.
00:22:01.485 REPUBLICANS JEFF FLAKE AND BOB
00:22:03.054 CORKER ARE TWO SENATORS WHO
00:22:05.657 APPEAR TO BE UNDECIDED THOUGH.
00:22:06.491 HERE'S WHAT THEY SAID
00:22:07.058 YESTERDAY.
00:22:07.358 >> IF WE CANNOT HAVE A HUMAN
00:22:08.560 RATHER THAN A POLITICAL
00:22:10.294 RESPONSE TO THESE WITNESSES, IF
00:22:12.731 WE ARE HEEDLESS TO THE CAPACITY
00:22:13.831 THAT WE HAVE TO DO REAL AND
00:22:16.001 LASTING DAMAGE THEN WE
00:22:18.904 SHOULDN'T BE HERE.
00:22:20.705 >> I ENTERED THIS HEARING WITH
00:22:23.475 GOOD FEELINGS ABOUT OUR
00:22:24.576 NOMINEE.
00:22:24.976 AND MY PERSONAL INTERACTIONS
00:22:25.643 WITH HIM AND THE FIRST HEARING.
00:22:29.348 BUT LOOK, I MEAN, MY JOB IS TO
00:22:32.751 TAKE IN ALL THE INFORMATION AND
00:22:33.685 TOMORROW I'LL BE LISTENING TO
00:22:36.955 EVERY WORD OF WHAT HAPPENS.
00:22:38.923 AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING
00:22:39.491 ADDITIONAL THAT HAPPENS, I DO
00:22:40.892 THE SAME THING.
00:22:41.325 >> ALL RIGHT AARON AND THAT'S
00:22:43.528 CORKER AND FLAKE.
00:22:43.961 THE OTHER TWO THAT PEOPLE ARE
00:22:45.764 CLOSELY WATCHING, MURKOWSKI AND
00:22:47.999 COLLINS, WHAT ARE YOU HEARING
00:22:49.401 FROM YOUR SOURCES ABOUT WHERE
00:22:50.135 THEY ARE TODAY?
00:22:50.836 >> I THINK THAT JEFF FLAKE'S
00:22:52.738 COMMENTS YESTERDAY WERE THE
00:22:54.439 MOST TELLING.
00:22:54.772 HE TALKED ABOUT THE IDEA THAT
00:22:56.575 THIS HEARING, THE VOTE ON IT
00:22:58.910 RATHER, THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR
00:22:59.977 FRIDAY, MIGHT HAVE TO BE
00:23:01.412 DELAYED IF SOMETHING COMES OUT
00:23:02.547 OF THIS HEARING THAT NEEDS TO
00:23:05.383 BE REVIEWED.
00:23:05.716 HE SEEMS TO BE AT LEAST
00:23:07.652 PUBLICLY EXPRESSING OPENNESS TO
00:23:09.254 A DELAY.
00:23:10.021 AND THIS IS A GUY WHO COULD
00:23:11.923 PREVENT THE COMMITTEE FROM
00:23:12.791 VOTING FOR BRETT KAVANAUGH.
00:23:14.759 HE IS ONE PERSON ON A COMMITTEE
00:23:18.763 THAT'S SPLIT 11-10 FOR
00:23:19.897 REPUBLICANS WHO COULD TOWARD
00:23:21.799 THAT VOTE.
00:23:22.234 THEY -- THWART THAT VOTE.
00:23:22.867 THEY COULD CONFIRM BRETT
00:23:24.202 KAVANAUGH ON THE FULL SENATE
00:23:25.637 ANYWAYS WITHOUT THE SENATE
00:23:27.405 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE'S
00:23:27.872 ENDORSEMENT OF HIM BUT THAT
00:23:29.307 WOULD BE A HIGHLY UNUSUAL SET
00:23:30.542 OF CIRCUMSTANCES AND I THINK
00:23:31.743 THANK YOU VERY MUCH MORE
00:23:36.681 DIFFICULT GIVEN THE CLOSE --
00:23:38.016 MUCH MORE DIFFICULT GIVEN THE
00:23:40.152 CLOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.
00:23:40.619 >> THAT'S NOT ALL THAT THESE
00:23:43.188 LAWMAKERS WILL BE CONSIDERING.
00:23:43.888 WHAT ARE SOME OF THE FACTORS DO
00:23:46.123 YOU BELIEVE THEY'LL BE TAKING
00:23:48.125 INTO CONSIDERATION?
00:23:48.559 >> WELL, I THINK A LOT OF IT IS
00:23:50.829 GOING TO BE NOT NECESSARILY DID
00:23:52.430 THIS HAPPEN OR DID THIS NOT
00:23:54.332 HAPPEN?
00:23:54.699 A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO BE
00:23:56.467 RECOUPABLING DETAILS OF WHAT --
00:23:57.468 RECOUNTING DETAILS OF WHAT
00:23:59.604 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD AND BRETT
00:24:01.606 KAVANAUGH HAVE SAID ABOUT THIS
00:24:03.341 SITUATION.
00:24:03.842 GOING THROUGH THEIR ACCOUNTS OF
00:24:06.077 THIS, WHICH IN SOME KEY DETAILS
00:24:07.746 HAVE CONTRASTED WITH ONE
00:24:09.114 ANOTHER AND TRYING TO FIGURE
00:24:09.847 OUT THE EITHER OF THEM CAN BE
00:24:11.783 ESTABLISHED AS BEING MORE
00:24:13.385 CREDIBLE THAN THE OTHER ONE.
00:24:15.020 A KEY DIFFERENCE THAT I NOTICED
00:24:19.024 YESTERDAY IN THE POLYGRAPH
00:24:21.125 REPORT THAT CHRISTINE BLASEY
00:24:23.394 FORD THE GAVE, SHE -- SHE GAVE.
00:24:25.964 SHE SAID SHE DATED ONE OF BRETT
00:24:29.334 KAVANAUGH'S FRIENDS.
00:24:29.801 ALBEIT BRETT KAVANAUGH IN HIS
00:24:31.803 FOX NEWS INTERVIEW SUGGESTED
00:24:32.703 THAT THEY REALLY WEREN'T IN THE
00:24:34.172 SAME SOCIAL CIRCLES THAT HE
00:24:36.508 MIGHT HAVE MET HER.
00:24:37.174 AND REALLY DOWNPLAYED THE IDEA
00:24:38.510 THAT HE WAS SOMEBODY WHO SHE
00:24:41.246 WAS FAMILIAR WITH.
00:24:41.746 AND SO YOU MIGHT SEE THE
00:24:43.748 PROSECUTOR FOR REPUBLICANS AND
00:24:45.917 THE DEMOCRATIC SENATORS TRY AND
00:24:47.419 ESTABLISH WHICH OF THOSE CLAIMS
00:24:48.920 IS MORE CLOSE TO REALITY AND I
00:24:50.922 THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S
00:24:52.123 IMPORTANT HERE IS WHICH PERSON
00:24:53.124 COMES OUT OF THIS HEARING
00:24:54.359 LOOKING MORE CREDIBLE AND
00:24:56.061 LOOKING MORE CONSISTENT.
00:24:56.661 >> AS YOU KNOW AARON,
00:24:58.029 REPUBLICAN SENATORS ON THE
00:24:59.397 SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ARE
00:25:00.832 NOT EXPECTED TO QUESTION THE
00:25:02.033 WITNESSES.
00:25:02.467 THEY WILL LIKELY YIELD TO
00:25:06.371 RACHEL MITCHELL.
00:25:06.771 THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR.
00:25:07.739 WHAT ARE THE OPTICS OF THAT?
00:25:09.908 >> WELL, CERTAINLY THEY WANTED
00:25:12.076 TO AVOID HAVING 11 WHITE MEN ON
00:25:14.779 THE COMMITTEE OLDER WHITE MEN
00:25:17.315 AND A LOT OF CASES, GO AFTER
00:25:21.286 THIS PERSON WHO'S MAKING A VERY
00:25:22.587 SERIOUS ACCUSATION, ANYBODY WHO
00:25:24.021 LISTENS TO THE TAPES OF THE
00:25:26.791 CLARENCE THOMAS HEARINGS IN
00:25:29.494 WHICH REPUBLICAN SENATORS WERE
00:25:31.429 VERY FORCEFULLY QUESTIONING
00:25:32.631 ANITA HILL IN WAYS THAT DON'T
00:25:34.766 NECESSARILY REFLECT VERY WELL
00:25:36.601 UPON THEM 27 YEARS LATER, WILL
00:25:40.305 UNDERSTAND THAT DECISION.
00:25:40.838 I THINK THAT IF YOU WERE BEHIND
00:25:42.908 THE SCENES RIGHT NOW, YOU
00:25:45.176 PROBABLY WOULD SEE MITCH
00:25:50.448 McCONNELL AND JUDICIARY
00:25:51.149 CHAIRMAN CHUCK GRASSLEY
00:25:51.682 ADVISING ALL THE REPUBLICAN
00:25:52.384 SENATORS TO STAY OUT OF THIS
00:25:54.185 AND NOT TALK EVEN IF THEY THINK
00:25:56.054 THEY HAVE A REALLY IMPORTANT
00:25:57.355 POINT MAKE BECAUSE THE DOWNSIDE
00:25:58.490 OF HAVING A REALLY BAD MOMENT
00:26:00.658 IS SO SIGNIFICANT.
00:26:01.693 >> AARON BLAKE, THANK YOU SO
00:26:03.061 MUCH.
00:26:03.461 >> THANK YOU.
00:26:04.562 >> ALL RIGHT.
00:26:04.996 SO TODAY'S HEARING WILL LIKELY
00:26:08.233 COME DOWN TO JUDGE KAVANAUGH'S
00:26:10.935 WORD AGAINST HIS ACCUSERS.
00:26:12.636 >> JENNA ELLIS IS A ATTORNEY
00:26:15.006 AND JOINS US NOW FROM DENVER.
00:26:16.741 SO PRESIDENT TRUMP IS
00:26:18.843 VIGOROUSLY DEFENDING HIS
00:26:19.744 NOMINEE.
00:26:20.011 AND BRETT KAVANAUGH HAS FLATLY
00:26:21.680 DENIED ALL THE ALLEGATIONS
00:26:22.747 AGAINST HIM.
00:26:23.080 SO WHY DO YOU BELIEVE HE'S
00:26:25.216 TELLING THE TRUTH AND NOT DR.
00:26:28.853 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD?
00:26:30.221 DEBORAH RAMIREZ AND ALSO JULIE
00:26:31.623 SWETNICK.
00:26:31.890 >> WELL -- WELL, I DON'T THINK
00:26:33.858 THAT THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED
00:26:36.494 YET.
00:26:36.694 WHAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IS THE
00:26:38.963 CONTEXT OF THE SENATE
00:26:40.065 CONFIRMATION HEARING.
00:26:41.466 THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL TRIAL.
00:26:42.266 WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A
00:26:43.802 VERDICT OR FINDING OF GUILT.
00:26:44.969 WE'RE LOOKING FOR FAIRNESS IN
00:26:46.504 THE PROCESS AND WE'RE LOOKING
00:26:48.006 TO MAKE SURE THAT BRETT
00:26:49.741 KAVANAUGH'S ACTUALLY FIT FOR
00:26:51.776 OFFICE.
00:26:52.009 THE SENATE UNDER THE
00:26:52.777 CONSTITUTION IS VESTED WITH THE
00:26:54.813 POWER TO ADVISE AND ULTIMATELY
00:26:56.815 CONSENT OR NOT TO A JUDICIAL
00:26:58.349 NOMINEE.
00:26:58.616 WHAT WE NEED TO REMEMBER FROM A
00:27:01.686 BIG PICTURE PERSPECTIVE IS THAT
00:27:03.655 THIS IS ABOUT FUNDAMENTALLY
00:27:05.356 WHAT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC
00:27:07.025 BELIEVES ABOUT DUE PROCESS.
00:27:08.493 AND HOW WE UNDERSTAND THE
00:27:09.861 CONFIRMATION HEARINGS TO
00:27:10.929 COMMENCE AND WE NEED TO MAKE
00:27:12.464 SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING
00:27:14.098 HERE TO JUST SIMPLY BELIEVE ONE
00:27:15.800 OVER THE OTHER BUT WE NEED TO
00:27:18.703 MAKE SURE THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH
00:27:19.337 HAS THE PRESUMPTION OF
00:27:20.839 INNOCENCE.
00:27:21.639 FUNDAMENTAL FAIRNESS AND WE
00:27:22.239 NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
00:27:24.476 PRESERVE ASKING PROTECTING OUR
00:27:25.109 RULE -- PRESERVING AND
00:27:26.645 PROTECTING OUR RULE OF LAW.
00:27:27.846 THE FACT THAT ONE WOMAN'S
00:27:30.482 ALLEGATION THAT'S
00:27:31.683 UNCORROBORATED AND INSTANTED
00:27:33.118 ABSENT SOMETHING --
00:27:33.618 UNSUBSTANTIATED ABSENT
00:27:34.119 SOMETHING ELSE COMING OUT IN
00:27:34.753 THE HEARING IS SETTINGS THIS UP
00:27:36.721 TO BE A POLITICAL QUESTION
00:27:37.789 RATHER THAN ADHERING TO THE
00:27:41.359 RULE OF LOYALTY.
00:27:41.759 >> WE HAVE YOU KNOW -- LAW
00:27:43.094 ULTIMATELY.
00:27:43.495 >> WE HAVE YOU KNOW BRETT
00:27:47.465 KAVANAUGH AND HIS ACCUSER.
00:27:48.532 NO OTHER WAY OF SORT OF
00:27:50.602 VERIFYING EITHER OF THEIR
00:27:51.903 STORY.
00:27:52.136 DO YOU THINK WE CAN COME OUT
00:27:53.271 WITH A CLEAR ANSWER AS TO WHO'S
00:27:55.106 TELLING THE TRUTH AND WHO'S NOT
00:27:58.143 UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES?
00:27:58.710 >> TRUTH NEEDS TO BE THE
00:28:02.013 ULTIMATE QUESTION BUT HERE THE
00:28:03.014 STANDARD OF COURSE WITH SENATE
00:28:04.849 CONFIRMATION HEARING CONTEXT,
00:28:05.750 WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR LEGAL
00:28:07.385 STANDARD OF PROOF.
00:28:07.818 SO IT NEEDS TO BE ONE AT
00:28:11.356 MINIMUM OF REASONABLENESS.
00:28:11.923 IS THE ALLEGATION IN THE
00:28:13.191 CONTEXT OF EVERYTHING WE DO
00:28:14.626 KNOW TO BE TRUE?
00:28:15.627 EVERYTHING THAT IS ON THE
00:28:18.163 RECORD OF BRETT KAVANAUGH'S
00:28:20.565 CLEAR HISTORY OF QUALIFICATIONS
00:28:22.300 AND HIS SIX FBI BACKGROUND
00:28:23.434 CHECKS SINCE 1993, ALL OF THE
00:28:24.535 THINGS THAT WE DO KNOW ARE
00:28:29.874 TRUE.
00:28:30.075 IS THIS REALLY REASONABLE?
00:28:35.013 WHAT SHE'S CLAIMING VERSUS HIS
00:28:43.588 EMINENT QUALIFICATION.
00:28:44.088 DR. JAMES DOBSON WHO'S MY BOSS
00:28:47.158 WAS QUOTED ON CBS ACTUALLY
00:28:50.295 YESTERDAY SAYING UNLESS THERE'S
00:28:50.929 SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S COMING
00:28:52.997 OUT AND THERE'S SOME OTHER
00:28:54.532 EVIDENCE.
00:28:55.033 HE WOULD STRONGLY SUPPORT BRETT
00:28:55.833 KAVANAUGH AND I WOULD AGREE
00:28:58.303 WITH THAT ASSESS.
00:28:59.103 THIS HAS BECOME -- ASSESSMENT.
00:29:01.372 THIS HAS BECOME A POLITICAL
00:29:02.306 CIRCUS.
00:29:02.539 >> YOU KNOW, YOU RAISE A GOOD
00:29:04.342 POINT ABOUT THE PRESUMPTON OF
00:29:05.142 INNOCENCE.
00:29:05.442 BUT THIS ISN'T A COURT OF LAW.
00:29:08.279 THERE IS A CREDIBILITY ISSUE AT
00:29:11.015 PLAY HERE.
00:29:11.716 AND AT THE VERY LEAST, WHEN
00:29:12.550 BRETT KAVANAUGH DOES A
00:29:14.786 TELEVISION INTERVIEW, AND HE
00:29:15.386 DOWNPLAYS THE AMOUNT OF THE
00:29:17.689 DRINKING THAT HE HAS DONE AS A
00:29:18.656 YOUNG MAN OR EVEN AS AN ADULT
00:29:21.292 AND THEN THESE ALLEGATIONS COME
00:29:22.427 OUT WHERE THEY SEEM TO SUGGEST
00:29:24.128 THAT HE LIKES TO PARTY.
00:29:24.962 THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT
00:29:26.064 BUT TO SUGGEST AS HE DID THAT
00:29:28.499 HE DOESN'T DO THOSE THINGS,
00:29:30.001 THAT'S WHERE YOU START TO SEE
00:29:30.935 THIS CREDIBILITY GAP.
00:29:32.603 IT'S NOTE A QUESTION OF THE
00:29:33.938 PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE.
00:29:34.805 WHICH WAS OF COURSE INTEGRAL TO
00:29:36.174 OUR RULE OF LAW.
00:29:36.874 THIS IS ABOUT A MAN WHO SAYS HE
00:29:39.010 DOESN'T DO EVEN REMOTELY SOME
00:29:40.311 OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE
00:29:41.846 SAID THAT'S OKAY TO DO.
00:29:42.379 IT'S OKAY TO HAVE A COUPLE OF
00:29:45.984 BEERS.
00:29:46.217 >> HE DOESN'T KNOW ANY OF THE
00:29:50.488 WOMEN AT ALL.
00:29:50.922 >> I WONDER IF THE CORRECT GAP
00:29:54.359 IS -- CREDIBILITY GAP IS WHY
00:29:56.761 PERHAPS WHAT DR. FORD'S
00:29:57.294 ALLEGATIONS ARE SHOULD BE AT
00:29:58.396 LEAST LISTENED TO AND AT SOME
00:30:00.431 LEVEL THERE'S GOT TO BE AN
00:30:04.268 UNDERSTANDING SHE WOULDN'T COME
00:30:06.471 OUT AND SAY THE THINGS BECAUSE
00:30:07.705 SHE WANTS TO PUT HERSELF AND
00:30:10.141 HER FAMILY UNDER THE GLARE OF
00:30:11.910 SPOTLIGHT.
00:30:12.210 >> THERE ARE A LOT OF
00:30:13.278 ASSUMPTIONS THAT YOU JUST SAID.
00:30:14.479 THAT HE'S DOWNPLAYING THE
00:30:15.213 ALLEGATIONS AND QUESTIONING HER
00:30:16.714 MOTIVE OF SAYING YOU KNOW SHE
00:30:17.949 WOULDN'T HAVE COME FORWARD
00:30:18.549 UNLESS SHE WAS TELLING THE
00:30:22.186 TRUTH.
00:30:22.419 THOSE ARE ALL ASSUMPTIONS.
00:30:23.220 THERE ARE A WIDE VARIETY OF
00:30:26.491 REASONS WHY SOMEONE MAY COME
00:30:27.692 FORWARD WITH THIS TYPE OF
00:30:28.926 ALLEGATION.
00:30:29.226 CERTAINLY THAT THE DEMOCRATS
00:30:30.962 HAVE HELD ON TO THIS EVIDENCE
00:30:33.798 UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE THE
00:30:34.398 CONFIRMATION --
00:30:34.899 >> HE SAID HE DOESN'T DRINK.
00:30:37.335 >> EVEN JUST THE STORY ITSELF.
00:30:38.903 >> HE SAYS HE DOESN'T DRINK.
00:30:41.906 HE SAYS HE ONLY HAD A COUPLE OF
00:30:45.109 BEERS HERE AND THERE.
00:30:46.110 INCLUDING FROM HIS FRIEND, MARK
00:30:47.946 JUDGE, SEEMS TO SUGGEST THAT HE
00:30:48.680 HAS MORE THAN A COUPLE OF BEERS
00:30:50.181 AND HAS HAD THAT HABIT FOR
00:30:53.317 MANY, MANY YEARS.
00:30:53.751 >> AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO
00:30:55.753 HAVE AT LEAST A STANDARD OF
00:30:57.488 REASONABLENESS.
00:30:58.323 I AGREE YOU THAT IT'S A
00:31:00.458 CREDIBILITY ISSUE AND LOOKING
00:31:03.695 AT HIS FUNDAMENTAL FITNESS FOR
00:31:04.629 OFFICE WE STILL HAVE TO AGREE
00:31:06.264 THAT HE HAS CONSTITUTIONAL
00:31:07.398 PROTECTIONS HERE.
00:31:07.798 WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT
00:31:09.167 WE'RE NOT LITIGATING THIS IN
00:31:10.501 THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION.
00:31:13.871 WE'RE LITIGATING THIS IN REALLY
00:31:15.306 THE SENATE CONFIRMATION
00:31:15.839 HEARING.
00:31:16.106 AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT
00:31:17.876 WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS ACTUALLY
00:31:19.210 ON THE RECORD.
00:31:20.078 NOT ANYTHING THAT HAS JUST BEEN
00:31:21.412 POSTED ON TWITTER, BY DEMOCRATS
00:31:23.380 LOOKING TO DELAY AND DERAIL THE
00:31:25.115 PROCESS.
00:31:25.683 BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE
00:31:28.119 HISTORIC DAY IN AMERICA.
00:31:30.254 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
00:31:31.021 PREFERRING AND PRESECT --
00:31:32.991 PRESERVING AND PROTECTING OUR
00:31:34.726 CONFIRMATION HEARINGS FOR
00:31:35.259 JUDICIAL NOMINEES AND THEY ARE
00:31:36.160 NOT DERAILED JUST BASTED ON THE
00:31:39.931 POLITICAL PARTY AFFILIATION.
00:31:40.531 THE DEMOCRATS STARTED BY TRYING
00:31:43.568 TO CONDEMN BRETT KAVANAUGH FOR
00:31:44.569 HAVING KETCHUP ON THE PASTA AND
00:31:45.970 NOW ACCUSING HIM ALL THE WAY UP
00:31:48.373 TO GANG RAPE.
00:31:48.773 IS THAT REALLY REASONABLE HERE
00:31:50.808 IN THIS CONTEXT?
00:31:51.308 OR IS THIS REALLY A POLITICAL
00:31:55.380 TARGET?
00:31:55.613 AND -- WE'RE ALWAYS CONCERNED
00:31:57.081 ABOUT THE TRUTH.
00:31:58.249 >> YOUR POINTS ARE ABSOLUTELY
00:31:58.883 -- YOUR POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN
00:32:00.752 BUT THE DEMOCRATS, IF YOU KNOW,
00:32:02.286 THE IDEA THAT DEMOCRATS WOULD
00:32:03.921 SOMEHOW BE DOING THIS BECAUSE
00:32:05.556 IT'S A CON JOB AS THE PRESIDENT
00:32:07.792 HAS SUGGESTED THEY DIDN'T DO
00:32:10.828 THAT WITH JUDGE GORSUCH OR JOHN
00:32:12.330 ROBERTS BECAUSE THERE WERE NO
00:32:13.665 QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT
00:32:15.332 THESE MEN MAY HAVE SEXUALLY
00:32:18.202 ASSAULTED WOMEN.
00:32:18.602 SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS
00:32:21.306 -- YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO BE
00:32:23.007 THAT THE -- SURROGATES ARE
00:32:25.442 SAYING FOR JUDGE KAVANAUGH IS
00:32:27.011 THESE THINGS ARE BEING DONE
00:32:28.413 BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO
00:32:29.614 DERAIL THE PROCESS.
00:32:30.848 WELL, THEY DIDN'T DERAIL IT
00:32:32.250 WITH THESE EXPLOSIVE
00:32:33.384 ALLEGATIONS FOR ALL THE OTHER
00:32:33.984 MEN THAT ARE SITTING ON THE
00:32:35.119 SUPREME COURT WITH THE
00:32:36.887 EXCEPTION OF JUDGE THOMAS.
00:32:37.922 SO --
00:32:38.455 >> BUT THEY DID PUSH BACK ON
00:32:42.160 NEIL GORSUCH.
00:32:42.527 SENATOR McCONNELL AND OTHERS
00:32:43.161 HAD TO INVOKE THE NUCLEAR
00:32:44.562 OPTION.
00:32:44.795 REMEMBER THAT HAPPENED WITH
00:32:46.297 WHAT?
00:32:46.497 BUT THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT
00:32:47.865 CONTEXT.
00:32:48.131 I WROTE A PIECE FOR THE
00:32:49.233 "WASHINGTON EXAMINER" THIS WEEK
00:32:50.568 THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE
00:32:51.369 FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE THAT'S REALLY
00:32:52.302 ON THE LINE HERE IS PRO-LIFE
00:32:54.872 AND ABORTION.
00:32:55.205 AND THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE
00:32:57.809 FEARFUL OF LOSING.
00:32:58.276 IS THE MAJORITY OF ACTIVISTS ON
00:33:00.845 THE COURT.
00:33:01.145 AND THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THAT
00:33:03.681 THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST BRETT
00:33:05.116 KAVANAUGH HAVE INCREASED BY THE
00:33:06.751 DEMOCRATS AND THEY ARE LOOKING
00:33:08.252 SIMPLY TO DERAIL THE PROCESS.
00:33:10.020 BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT
00:33:11.121 THEY'RE LOSING THEIR ACTIVIST
00:33:13.324 MAJORITY ON THE COURT.
00:33:14.358 AND TO HAVE CONSERVATIVES WHO
00:33:16.994 ARE ORIGINALISTS WHO WILL
00:33:19.030 PROTECT AND PRESERVE EVERY
00:33:19.830 PERSON'S FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT
00:33:20.965 INCLUDING THE RIGHT OF THE
00:33:22.266 UNBORN BECAUSE THAT'S
00:33:23.067 CONSISTENT WITH OUR
00:33:23.701 CONSTITUTION.
00:33:24.034 THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S ON THE
00:33:25.703 LINE HERE.
00:33:26.003 AND SO THIS IS MUCH, MUCH
00:33:28.706 BIGGER THAN ONE CONFIRMATION
00:33:29.440 HEARING.
00:33:29.707 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUPREME
00:33:31.008 COURT FOR DECADES TO COME.
00:33:31.876 FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR
00:33:34.078 CHILDREN'S CHILDREN.
00:33:34.545 THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS
00:33:35.513 ABOUT.
00:33:35.746 >> I THINK EVERYBODY'S WELL
00:33:36.347 AWARE OF IT WHICH IS WHY WE'RE
00:33:38.049 WATCHING THE OUTCOME OF THIS SO
00:33:40.751 CLOSELY.
00:33:41.085 JENNA ELLIS THANK YOU SO MUCH.
00:33:42.587 >> THANKS JENNA.
00:33:43.220 >> THANK YOU.
00:33:43.621 >>> ALL RIGHT, SO COMING UP
00:33:44.455 AFTER THE BREAK, WE WILL TAKE
00:33:47.492 YOU BACK TO 1991 TO ANOTHER
00:33:49.460 HIGH STAKES HEARING BEFORE THE
00:33:50.928 SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
00:33:53.798 THIS TIME, INVOLVING ANITA HILL
00:33:54.699 AND CLARENCE THOMAS.
00:33:55.166 >> WE'LL TELL YOU ABOUT THE
00:33:56.534 SIMILARITIES AND THE
00:33:57.001 DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THAT CASE
00:33:58.136 AND WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW.
00:33:58.836 YOU ARE STREAMING CBSN.
00:36:37.728 >>> WELL, QUESTIONS ABOUT BRETT
00:36:39.029 KAVANAUGH'S CONFIRMATION
00:36:39.796 HEARING DOMINATED PRESIDENT
00:36:41.098 TRUMP'S NEWS CONFERENCE
00:36:42.199 YESTERDAY.
00:36:42.499 THE PRESIDENT CONTINUED TO SHOW
00:36:43.401 SUPPORT FOR THE SUPREME COURT
00:36:44.935 NOMINEE BUT HE SAID HE WILL BE
00:36:49.640 WATCHING CHRISTINE BLASEY
00:36:50.541 FORD'S TESTIMONY TODAY.
00:36:51.074 LEAVING HIMSELF A LITTLE BIT OF
00:36:52.209 WIGGLE ROOM.
00:36:52.542 >> YEAH SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING
00:36:54.412 AT HERE IS THE CAMERA JUGGLING
00:36:56.247 AROUND IS THE HALLWAY WHERE
00:36:57.048 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING
00:36:59.884 IN AND OUT AS THEY HEAD TO THE
00:37:01.485 HEARING ROOM.
00:37:01.886 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD IS IN THE
00:37:03.988 BUILDING RIGHT NOW AS WENS IT
00:37:04.889 BUT YOU KNOW THE CAM -- WE
00:37:06.123 UNDERSTAND IT BUT YOU KNOW THE
00:37:08.759 CAMERA IS SETTING UP.
00:37:09.593 THAT'S THE HALLWAY WE'LL BE
00:37:12.797 WATCHING.
00:37:13.063 THINGS GOT THENCE WHEN -- GOT
00:37:13.731 TENSE WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS
00:37:16.133 QUESTIONED BID WEIJIA JIANG --
00:37:21.605 BY WEIJIA JIANG ABOUT SEXUAL
00:37:24.374 MISCONDUCT ALLEGATIONS GUEST
00:37:24.975 HIM.
00:37:25.175 >> Reporter: IF I COULD
00:37:25.976 ACTUALLY ASK MY QUESTION MR.
00:37:29.045 TRUMP.
00:37:29.279 YOU DIDN'T LET ME.
00:37:29.713 >> YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING THE
00:37:31.682 QUESTION FOR TEN MINUTES.
00:37:33.751 PLEASE GO AHEAD.
00:37:34.151 >> Reporter: HOW DID THOSE
00:37:34.785 IMPACT YOUR OPINIONS ON THE
00:37:37.421 ALLEGATIONS --
00:37:37.821 >> IT DOES IMPACT MY OPINION
00:37:39.156 YOU KNOW WHY?
00:37:39.823 BECAUSE I'VE HAD A LOT OF FALSE
00:37:41.892 CHARGES MADE AGAINST ME.
00:37:42.793 I'M A VERY FAMOUS PERSON
00:37:43.928 UNFORTUNATELY.
00:37:44.295 I'VE BEEN A FAMOUS PERSON FOR A
00:37:46.464 LONG TIME.
00:37:46.764 BUT I HAVE HAD A LOT OF FALSE
00:37:49.700 CHARGES MADE AGAINST ME.
00:37:51.101 REALLY FALSE CHARGES.
00:37:51.568 I KNOW FRIENDS THAT HAVE HAD úF
00:37:56.006 PEOPLE WANT FAME.
00:37:56.974 THEY WANT MONEY.
00:37:57.374 THEY WANT WHATEVER.
00:37:58.341 SO WHEN I SEE IT, I VIEW IT
00:38:01.445 DIFFERENTLY THAN SOMEBODY
00:38:02.346 SITTING HOME WATCHING
00:38:03.047 TELEVISION WHERE THEY SAY OH
00:38:05.983 JUDGE KAVANAUGH THIS OR THAT.
00:38:06.583 >> CBS NEWS WHITE HOUSE
00:38:08.119 CORRESPONDENT WEIJIA JIANG IS
00:38:08.819 WITH US NOW FROM JUST OUTSIDE
00:38:10.888 OF TRUMP TOWER IN NEW YORK
00:38:13.023 CITY.
00:38:13.223 SO I THOUGHT THAT YOUR BACK AND
00:38:14.158 FORTH WITH THE PRESIDENT DURING
00:38:15.025 THAT PRESS CONFERENCE WAS
00:38:17.161 PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST SORT
00:38:19.697 OF ILLUMINATING COMPONENTS OF
00:38:21.432 THAT PRESS CONFERENCE.
00:38:22.232 AND HE DIDN'T JUST STOP AT THE
00:38:29.607 LITTLE PIECE WE PLAYED.
00:38:31.642 EVENTUALLY HE TALKED ABOUT HOW
00:38:32.276 HE FEEL HE WAS THE VICTIM OF --
00:38:37.014 FELT HE WAS THE VICTIM OF FALSE
00:38:38.716 ACCUSATIONS.
00:38:39.049 >> I HAD IN FALSE CHARGES --
00:38:41.285 MANY FALSE CHARGES.
00:38:41.952 I HAD A WOMAN SITTING IN AN
00:38:43.821 AIRPLANE AND ATTACKED HER WHILE
00:38:44.755 PEOPLING WERE COMING ON THE
00:38:46.290 PLANE AND I HAVE A NUMBER ONE
00:38:47.557 BEST SELLER OUT.
00:38:49.327 I MEAN IT WAS A TOTAL PHONY
00:38:53.164 STORY, MORE IN OF THEM.
00:38:53.964 -- THERE ARE MANY OF THEM.
00:38:55.099 SO WHEN YOU SAY DOES IT ATE
00:38:56.333 TICKET ME WITH RESPECT TO --
00:38:57.234 AFFECT ME WITH RESPECT TO JUDGE
00:38:58.836 KAVANAUGH?
00:38:59.136 ABSOLUTELY.
00:38:59.436 >> SO I BELIEVE HE WAS TALKING
00:39:01.138 ABOUT A FLIGHT ATTENDANT ON
00:39:02.039 THAT FLIGHT AND SHE STAND BY
00:39:04.508 HER STORY.
00:39:04.808 >> SHE DOES INDEED.
00:39:05.242 >> SO BUT I WANT TO GET FROM
00:39:07.545 YOU YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU TOOK
00:39:11.182 FROM THAT BECAUSE I THOUGHT TO
00:39:13.684 MYSELF OKAY I KNOW HE HAS SHADE
00:39:16.153 HE'SING THERE -- SAID THAT HE'S
00:39:16.921 WILLING TO LISTEN TO THE
00:39:17.687 VICTIMS BUT THAT WAS VERY
00:39:19.323 TELLING WHEN HE SAYS HIS POINT
00:39:20.257 OF VIEW ON THE ACCUSATIONS IS
00:39:21.859 INFORMED BY HIS OWN PERSONAL
00:39:24.395 EXPERIENCES.
00:39:24.728 AND WE KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT
00:39:26.530 HAS NEVER ADMITTED TO ANY
00:39:27.431 WRONGDOING WHEN IT COMES TO
00:39:29.833 SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
00:39:30.267 >> Reporter: WELL, YOU KNOW
00:39:31.902 WHAT I SHOULD CLARIFY --
00:39:33.671 THERE'S THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD
00:39:35.606 TAPE THAT HE DID.
00:39:36.707 AGREE THERE WAS LOCKER ROOM
00:39:37.741 TALK AND THEN LATER THERE WAS
00:39:38.442 SOME REPORTING THAT HE EVEN
00:39:40.077 QUESTIONED THE AUTHENTICITY OF
00:39:42.178 THAT TAPE.
00:39:43.113 BUT GO AHEAD.
00:39:44.548 >> Reporter: RIGHT.
00:39:45.382 YES.
00:39:45.749 BUT YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I
00:39:46.951 THOUGHT THIS CONTEXT WAS SO
00:39:49.553 IMPORTANT.
00:39:49.853 BECAUSE WHEN HE HEARD PRESIDENT
00:39:50.754 TRUMP TALKING ABOUT THE
00:39:52.556 KAVANAUGH ACCUSERS, YOU ARE
00:39:53.891 RIGHT.
00:39:54.124 IN THE BEGINNING, HE MADE CLEAR
00:39:55.693 HE WANTED THEM TO SPEAK.
00:39:56.827 HE WANTED TO HEAR THEIR STORY.
00:39:59.096 BUT THEN HE FLIP-FLOPPED AND AT
00:40:01.165 TIMES SUGGESTED THAT THEY WERE
00:40:02.800 LYING.
00:40:03.033 AND HE WAS SO PASSIONATE ABOUT
00:40:05.236 YOU KNOW, HOW ANNOYING IT IS TO
00:40:09.406 ACCUSATIONS AND IT FELT VERY
00:40:10.507 PERSONAL.
00:40:10.941 NOT ONLY WHEN HE SPOKE ABOUT
00:40:13.243 THIS, BUT ALSO WHEN HE TWEETED
00:40:14.678 ABOUT IT.
00:40:14.945 POINTING OUT THAT THE THIRD
00:40:17.314 ACCUSER IS REPRESENTED BY
00:40:20.250 MICHAEL AVENATTI.
00:40:20.650 WHO HE ALSO DUG INTO BECAUSE HE
00:40:23.186 SAID AVENATTI BROUGHT FALSE
00:40:25.022 CLAIMS AGAINST HIM.
00:40:25.756 AND SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT STORY
00:40:26.757 WE'RE REPORTING ON, WE WANT TO
00:40:30.127 TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE PERSON AT
00:40:31.228 THE CENTER OF IT WHO IS MAKING
00:40:33.063 CLAIMS ABOUT THE STORY AND IN
00:40:33.697 THIS CASE IT IS THE PRESIDENT.
00:40:36.867 AND BECAUSE IT FELT SO
00:40:39.036 PERSONAL, THAT'S WHY I PRESSED
00:40:40.303 HIM ABOUT WHETHER THIS WAS
00:40:41.906 COMING FROM HIS OWN EXPERIENCES
00:40:43.441 AND SURE ENOUGH EVEN THOUGH IT
00:40:46.377 TOOK GOADING, HE ACKNOWLEDGED
00:40:47.010 THAT YES, BECAUSE HE HAD GONE
00:40:50.147 THROUGH THIS HIMSELF.
00:40:52.249 HE SAID ABSOLUTELY.
00:40:53.150 THAT THIS IS GOING TO COLOR HIS
00:40:55.786 VIEW OF THESE ACCUSATIONS AND
00:40:58.556 HOW THE ALLEGATIONS SHOULD BE
00:41:00.391 HANDLED.
00:41:00.658 >> AND YET, THROUGH THAT HOUR
00:41:03.027 AND 20 MINUTE PRESS CONFERENCE,
00:41:04.060 THERE, IF YOU READ THE TEE
00:41:06.964 LEAVES -- TEA LEAVES, THERE DID
00:41:09.633 APPEAR TO BE MOMENTS THROUGH
00:41:12.636 THE THAT PRESS CONFERENCE WHERE
00:41:13.704 THE PRESIDENT SEEMED TO BE
00:41:18.075 INDICATING THAT PERHAPS BRETT
00:41:19.009 KAVANAUGH'S DEMEANOR IN THE FOX
00:41:20.911 NEWS INTERVIEW AND HE HASN'T
00:41:22.646 BEEN AS FORCEFUL AS THE
00:41:24.682 PRESIDENT HAS IN DENYING PAST
00:41:25.316 INSTANCES OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT,
00:41:26.517 THERE WAS A LITTLE LIGHT AT THE
00:41:27.618 END OF THE TUNNEL IN THAT THE
00:41:30.888 PRESIDENT WOULD BE WILLING TO
00:41:33.223 JETTISON KAVANAUH DEPENDING
00:41:34.558 WHAT HE HEARS TODAY.
00:41:35.025 YOU HAVE HEARD A LOT OF
00:41:37.695 REPUBLICANS SAYING FROM
00:41:38.228 McCONNELL TO GRAHAM SAYING THEY
00:41:38.929 WANT TO GET THIS DONE AND SEAT
00:41:41.966 HIM AS A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.
00:41:42.966 PRESIDENT SEEM TODAY OFFER A
00:41:44.268 LITTLE LIGHT THERE.
00:41:44.802 -- SEEMED TO OFFER A LITTLE
00:41:46.704 LIGHT THERE.
00:41:47.037 I WONDER IF YOU HAD THE SAME
00:41:49.807 TAKE.
00:41:50.007 >> Reporter: YEAH.
00:41:50.441 AND I THINK AFTER HE WAS
00:41:51.942 PRESSED ABOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES,
00:41:53.677 AND AFTER HE FELT THE MOUNTING
00:41:57.014 PRESSURE, AND HE YOU KNOW,
00:42:01.652 LISTENED TO AS YOU MENTIONED,
00:42:02.919 WHAT HIS FOLLOW REPUBLICANS
00:42:04.654 WERE SAYING, HE HAS TO LEAVE
00:42:07.992 SOME WIGGLE ROOM.
00:42:08.425 CAN'T COMPLETELY SHUT THE DOOR
00:42:09.493 BECAUSE THAT'S PERCEIVED IN A
00:42:10.928 CERTAIN WAY HE DOESN'T WANT
00:42:12.562 EITHER.
00:42:13.063 SO EVEN THOUGH HE IS COUCHING
00:42:14.330 HIS WORDS VERY CAREFULLY, IN
00:42:16.400 SAYING HE BELIEVES THAT THEY
00:42:17.701 ARE PROBABLY FALSE, HE ALSO
00:42:20.504 SAID HE'S WILLING TO LISTEN AND
00:42:24.875 HE MIGHT BE EVEN PERSUADE TODAY
00:42:27.011 CHANGE HIS MIND.
00:42:27.711 -- PERSUADED TO CHANGE HIS
00:42:29.446 MIND.
00:42:29.646 HE COULD BE PERSUADED AND HE
00:42:30.848 WILL BE WATCHING THIS HEARING
00:42:33.984 VERY CAREFULLY.
00:42:34.351 BECAUSE WHO KNOWS HE SAYS,
00:42:35.619 PERHAPS DR. FORD WILL SAY
00:42:37.688 SOMETHING INTERESTING.
00:42:41.025 AND YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT
00:42:42.325 PERFORMANCE.
00:42:42.659 BANKRUPT WE KNOW -- PRESIDENT
00:42:44.662 TRUMP WE KNOW REALLY VALUES
00:42:45.863 SOMETHING'S CHARACTER BASED ON
00:42:48.933 THEIR PERFORMANCE.
00:42:49.366 NOT ALWAYS THE SUBSTANCE OF
00:42:51.969 WHAT THEY CAN DELIVER.
00:42:52.870 BUT HOW THEY PERFORM UNDER
00:42:55.139 PRESSURE.
00:42:55.406 ESPECIALLY ON TELEVISION.
00:42:55.973 BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HE DOES
00:42:56.640 ALL DAY AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
00:42:59.009 HE WATCHES A LOT OF TV.
00:43:01.811 AND WE KNOW THAT WHEN SOME OF
00:43:04.181 HIS AIDES PERFORM WELL THEY GET
00:43:06.116 A PHONE CALL SAYING SO MUCH AND
00:43:07.283 CONGRATULATIONS YOU DID A GREAT
00:43:09.053 JOB.
00:43:09.253 THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE TOO.
00:43:12.022 THAT WHEN HE BELIEVES SOMEONE
00:43:13.824 IS ON SCREEN AND NOT
00:43:16.360 REPRESENTING HIM AND HIS
00:43:17.194 ADMINISTRATION IN THIS CASE HIS
00:43:19.029 SUPREME COURT NOMINEE, THE WAY
00:43:20.431 HE WANTS IT TO HAPPEN, HE
00:43:21.965 DOESN'T HESITATE TO SAY YOU
00:43:23.200 COULD HAVE DONE BETTER.
00:43:23.800 YOU DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB.
00:43:25.302 SO THAT'S I THINK WHAT HE'S
00:43:26.503 GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR AND OF
00:43:28.606 COURSE WE'VE HEARD SO MUCH
00:43:31.241 CRITICISM AGAINST KAVANAUGH FOR
00:43:33.177 HIS FOX NEWS INTERVIEW.
00:43:34.411 IN WHICH HE WAS VERY ROBOTIC.
00:43:35.578 AND YOU KNOW, HE SEEMED TO JUST
00:43:38.048 HAVE A FEW LINES OF MESSAGING
00:43:39.783 THAT HE REPEATED OVER AND OVER
00:43:43.787 AND OVER.
00:43:44.054 REGARDLESS OF THE QUESTION.
00:43:44.688 AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
00:43:46.824 CAREFULLY WATCH KAVANAUGH TO
00:43:48.225 SEE WHETHER HE'S ABLE TO PAINT
00:43:51.762 A VERY SINCERE PICTURE AND BE
00:43:54.364 MORE CREDIBLE THAN DR. FORD.
00:43:58.368 >> WELL, YOUR PERSISTENCE IN
00:43:59.002 QUESTIONING THE PRESIDENT OF
00:43:59.602 THE UNITED STATES WAS IN THE
00:44:01.004 VERY BEST TRADITIONS OF CBS
00:44:03.039 NEWS GOING BACK 75 YEARS.
00:44:03.907 AND YOU GOT THE ANSWER TO THE
00:44:05.909 QUESTION THAT ACTUALLY MADE
00:44:07.277 NEWS.
00:44:07.477 SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR
00:44:09.446 REPORTING.
00:44:10.481 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:44:10.948 >> Reporter: THANK YOU.
00:44:11.915 >>> WELL, TODAY'S HEARING IS
00:44:13.684 DRAWING STRONG PARALLELS TO
00:44:16.053 ANOTHER HIGH-PROFILE TESTIMONY.
00:44:16.786 IN 1991, ANITA HILL A PROFESSOR
00:44:17.821 WHO HAD WORKED WITH THE SUPREME
00:44:20.057 COURT NOMINEE CLARENCE THOMAS
00:44:22.993 HARASSMENT.
00:44:23.293 >> HILL TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF
00:44:24.695 THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
00:44:27.030 ABOUT HER CLAIMS.
00:44:28.365 NOW 27 YEARS LATER, CHRISTINE
00:44:30.333 BLASEY FORD'S ALLEGATION
00:44:31.201 AGAINST BRETT KAVANAUGH BRING
00:44:32.102 HER TO THAT SAME BUILDING TO BE
00:44:34.705 QUESTIONED BY SOME OF THE SAME
00:44:36.940 SENATORS SO LET'S BRING IN
00:44:40.811 JESSICA LEVINSON A PROFESSOR AT
00:44:41.544 LOYOLA HIGH SCHOOL IN LOS
00:44:44.681 ANGELES.
00:44:44.948 LISTEN ONE OF THE MAIN
00:44:45.949 DIFFERENTS WITH THE HILL
00:44:46.550 HEARING AND TODAY --
00:44:47.684 DIFFERENCES WITH THE HILL
00:44:48.785 HEARING AND TODAY'S HEARING IS
00:44:51.088 THAT IT'S HAPPENING IN THE WAKE
00:44:52.923 OF THE #METOO MOVEMENT.
00:44:54.024 HOW DO YOU THINK THAT WILL
00:44:55.125 IMPACT OR HELP OR HURT DR.
00:44:57.561 FORD?
00:44:57.761 >> I THINK IT'S HELPED C. FORD
00:44:58.962 IN THIS SENSE THAT -- DR. FORD
00:45:01.397 IN THE SENSE THAT THE SENATORS
00:45:02.132 UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO DO
00:45:04.968 SOMETHING AND I THINK THE
00:45:05.869 INCLINATION FOR MANY OF THE
00:45:06.469 REPUBLICAN SENATORS IN THE WAKE
00:45:07.971 OF THE ACCUSATIONS IS THAT THEY
00:45:09.406 DIDN'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING.
00:45:10.040 THEY WANTED TO HAVE BRETT
00:45:12.342 KAVANAUGH CONFIRMED.
00:45:12.809 THEY SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO
00:45:14.278 AVOID WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.
00:45:15.011 WHICH IS WALL TO WALL HEADLINES
00:45:17.514 OF SUPREME COURT NOMINEE BRETT
00:45:19.783 KAVANAUGH AND THE WORDS "SEXUAL
00:45:20.751 ASSAULT."
00:45:21.018 SO CLOSE TO THE MIDTERM
00:45:22.919 ELECTIONS.
00:45:23.219 THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THEY
00:45:24.354 WANTED.
00:45:24.588 AND SO THE #METOO MOVEMENT YOU
00:45:26.757 THINK HAS REALLY FORCED THE
00:45:29.593 REPUBLICANS' HANDS IN ASKING
00:45:30.227 THEM TO AT LEAST GIVE A
00:45:31.328 HEARING.
00:45:31.595 BUT IF YOU LOOK A LITTLE BIT
00:45:34.164 DEEPER, THE #METOO MOVEMENT
00:45:35.199 CLEARLY DOES HAVE ITS LIMITS
00:45:36.800 BECAUSE WE HAVE A HEARING
00:45:37.834 THAT'S NOT SET UP IN ANY WAY AS
00:45:41.338 A TRUE FACT FINDING MISSION.
00:45:43.406 AND WE HAVE HEARING THAT IS
00:45:45.709 PITTED STRUCTURALLY DESIGNED,
00:45:46.410 SO THAT IT'S HE SAID, SHE SAID.
00:45:48.512 WHEN IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE TO
00:45:49.746 BE THAT WAY.
00:45:50.113 SO WE ALSO SEE IN THE COMMENTS
00:45:51.782 OF MANY OF THE SENATORS A
00:45:53.383 DISCONNECT BETWEEN ME TOO AND
00:45:55.018 OUR REPRESENTATIVES.
00:45:56.086 >> IT'S A GOOD POINT JESSICA.
00:45:58.288 AND WHEN ANITA HILL TESTIFIED
00:45:59.089 IN 1991, I WANT TO PLAY A
00:46:02.392 LITTLE BIT OF WHAT SHE SAID HAD
00:46:03.660 BEEN HER CLAIMS.
00:46:04.060 >> I GUESS -- ABOUT HER CLAIMS.
00:46:05.929 >> I GUESS ONE REALLY DOES HAVE
00:46:07.731 TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING ABOUT
00:46:09.967 THE NATURE OF SEXUAL
00:46:11.034 HARASSMENT.
00:46:12.603 IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE
00:46:13.704 TO COME FORWARD WITH THESE
00:46:16.707 THINGS.
00:46:17.207 >> SO NOW THREE WOMEN HAVE GONE
00:46:19.643 THROUGH WHAT DR. HILL CALLED
00:46:21.678 THE DIFFICULTY AND SHE MENTIONS
00:46:23.914 WITH THEIR CLAIMS OF ASSAULT
00:46:24.647 AGAINST JUDGE BRETT KAVANAUGH
00:46:26.082 AND WE JUST LEARNED THAT HE WAS
00:46:28.652 QUESTIONED ABOUT TWO OTHER
00:46:29.753 ALLEGATIONS AS WELL.
00:46:31.421 OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER OF
00:46:32.356 ACCUSATIONS AGAINST-AND-A-HALF
00:46:32.990 IS A MAY -- KAVANAUGH IS A
00:46:35.392 MAJOR DIFFERENCE WITH TODAY'S
00:46:36.693 HEAR ASKING THE ONE IN 199 --
00:46:38.328 HEARING AND THE ONE IN 1991.
00:46:40.230 DO YOU THINK IF OTHER WOMEN HAD
00:46:44.334 MADE THE PUBLIC CLAIM AGAINST
00:46:45.702 CLARENCE THOMAS TESTIMONY.
00:46:46.269 IT WOULD HAVE GONE THE SAME
00:46:47.804 WAY?
00:46:48.037 >> I DON'T KNOW.
00:46:48.438 I THINK WE HAVE TO REMEMBER
00:46:49.239 THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF KEY
00:46:51.775 DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE
00:46:53.076 CLARENCE THOMAS SITUATION AND
00:46:53.676 THE JUDGE KAVANAUGH SITUATION.
00:46:55.479 SO FOR INSTANCE, WITH CLARENCE
00:46:56.747 THOMAS, WHAT WE'RE TALKING
00:46:57.848 ABOUT IS YOU HEARD ANITA HILL
00:47:00.884 SAY, WAS SEXUAL HARASSMENT.
00:47:01.518 NOT SEXUAL ASSAULT AND I THINK
00:47:02.419 IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO TREAT
00:47:05.389 THOSE DIFFERENTLY.
00:47:05.822 WE WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT
00:47:07.624 ADULTS WHICH CHANGES THE
00:47:09.026 CALCULUS IN BOTH WAYS AND ON
00:47:11.028 ONE HAND WE DON'T HAVE AS
00:47:12.729 VULNERABLE VICTIM.
00:47:13.163 ON THE OTHER HAND YOU HAVE
00:47:14.531 SOMEONE WHO WE'RE NOT TALKING
00:47:16.266 ABOUT A 17-YEAR-OLD.
00:47:16.733 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE CASE
00:47:18.568 OF JUSTICE THOMAS, AN ADULT IN
00:47:21.672 THE MIDDLE OF HIS CAREER.
00:47:22.438 WHO'S ACCUSED OF THESE
00:47:24.308 PARTICULAR CRIMES.
00:47:24.741 SO THE MORE PEOPLE HAD COME
00:47:27.010 FORWARD, WOULD IT HAVE MADE A
00:47:28.745 DIFFERENCE FOR THE CLARENCE
00:47:31.715 THOMAS CONFIRMATION?
00:47:32.382 THAT'S ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE.
00:47:34.117 IN THIS CASE, WHEN WITH JUDGE
00:47:36.987 KAVANAUGH, AGAIN THE
00:47:37.821 ALLEGATIONS ARE FOR EITHER
00:47:38.755 UNDERAGE ACCUSATIONS OF SEXUAL
00:47:40.490 ASSAULT WHICH IS A LOT MORE
00:47:42.392 SERIOUS THAN SEXUAL HARASSMENT
00:47:45.529 OR FOR ACCUSATIONS THAT
00:47:47.197 HAPPENED IN EARLY ADULTHOOD AND
00:47:47.831 I WOULD THEY ONE ACCUSATION WAS
00:47:50.500 BAD.
00:47:50.700 TWO ACCUSATIONS WAS MUCH WORSE.
00:47:51.535 IT WAS MUCH WORSE THAN DOUBLY
00:47:55.071 WORSE.
00:47:55.305 AND NOW THREE ACCUSATIONS IS
00:47:57.374 EXPONENTIALLY WORSE BECAUSE THE
00:47:58.275 ACCUSATIONS GO TO THE HEART OF
00:48:00.610 HIS DEFENSE.
00:48:01.511 WHICH IS THERE'S NOTHING IN MY
00:48:02.546 CHARACTER THAT WOULD ALLOW ME
00:48:04.548 TO DO THIS.
00:48:05.248 I AM A CHOIR BOY.
00:48:06.082 I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL.
00:48:07.650 I WANTED TO GET GOOD FRIDAY AND
00:48:08.318 I WANTED TO PLAY -- GRADES AND
00:48:11.188 I WANTED TO PLAY BASKETBALL AND
00:48:13.023 THAT WAS IT.
00:48:13.523 I WAS NEVER CAMABLE OF THIS.
00:48:14.925 THE -- CAPABLE OF THIS.
00:48:15.625 ACCUSATIONS GO TO THE HEART OF
00:48:17.761 THIS.
00:48:17.961 >> ONE MORE SIMILARITY BETWEEN
00:48:19.730 THOMAS HEARING AND TODAY IS
00:48:20.563 THAT WITH CLARENCE THOMAS,
00:48:22.232 THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE WILLING
00:48:23.967 TO COME FORWARD.
00:48:24.567 THREE OTHER WITNESSES WILLING
00:48:25.168 TO COME GO WARD.
00:48:25.769 THE COMMITTEE DID NOT WANT TO
00:48:26.603 HEAR FROM THEM JUST LIKE
00:48:28.171 THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO HEAR
00:48:30.507 FROM OTHER WITNESSES TODAY.
00:48:31.207 JESSICA THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:48:32.642 >> THANK YOU.
00:48:33.009 >>> WELL, COMING UP ON CBSN
00:48:34.978 TAKE A LOOK AT THE CAPITOL
00:48:36.913 RIGHT NOW WHERE VERY SOON,
00:48:37.681 BRETT KAVANAUGH AND CHRISTINE
00:48:39.449 BLASEY FORD WILL TESTIFY.
00:48:40.016 LAWMAKERS ARE STARTING TO MAKE
00:48:41.084 THEIR WAY IN.
00:48:41.417 WE KNOW THAT SHE IS ALSO IN THE
00:48:44.187 BUILDING.
00:48:44.487 AND NOW ALSO PROTESTORS HAVE
00:48:46.924 GATHERED OUTSIDE.
00:51:24.580 >>> WE ARE JUST MOMENT ACE WAY
00:51:26.049 FROM A HISTORIC -- MOMENTS AWAY
00:51:29.786 FROM A HISTORIC HEARING THAT
00:51:31.221 COULD INFLUENCE THE BALANCE OF
00:51:32.088 POWER IN THE UNITED STATES FOR
00:51:34.991 DECADES TO COME AND THE SUPREME
00:51:38.061 COURT.
00:51:38.528 BRETT KAVANAUGH AND HIS ACCUSER
00:51:39.162 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD WILL
00:51:41.698 TESTIFY BEFORE THE SENATE
00:51:43.099 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
00:51:43.933 >> CBS NEWS MOLA LENGHI IS ON
00:51:44.600 ú
00:51:46.036 TESTIMONIES ARE SET TO BEGIN
00:51:47.570 SHORTLY.
00:51:47.837 GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT ARE YOU
00:51:54.511 SEEING THERE?
00:51:54.844 >> Reporter: HIGH STAKES
00:51:55.545 SHOWDOWN AS YOU MENTIONENED THE
00:51:57.881 HILL TODAY.
00:51:58.181 THIS ENTIRE PROCESS HAS REALLY
00:52:00.083 FALLEN ALONG PARTY LINES
00:52:01.117 INCLUDING THE ALLEGATIONS AS
00:52:02.018 WELL AS WHO LAWMAKERS SEEM TO
00:52:04.587 BELIEVE.
00:52:04.887 TODAY RACHEL MITCHELL.
00:52:05.522 SHE WILL DO THE QUESTIONING AND
00:52:07.057 REALLY BE THE FACE OF THE
00:52:09.659 REPUBLICANS DURING THIS HEARING
00:52:10.727 TODAY.
00:52:10.961 ASKING MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE
00:52:13.863 QUESTIONS ON THE GOP BEHALF.
00:52:15.265 DEMOCRATS ON THE OTHER HAND,
00:52:16.299 THEY'LL DO MOST OF THEIR
00:52:17.167 QUESTIONING OR THEY WILL DO
00:52:19.603 THEIR QUESTIONING ON THEIR OWN.
00:52:20.270 MITCHELL AS WE KNOW IS A CAREER
00:52:24.174 PROSECUTOR.
00:52:25.075 DECADES OF EXPERIENCE
00:52:26.676 PROSECUTING SEXUAL CRIMES.
00:52:28.044 IN MARICOPA COUNTY.
00:52:28.477 ARIZONA, SHE IS NO STRANGER TO
00:52:31.748 ACCUSATIONS LIKE THESE.
00:52:32.982 TO CRIMES LIKE THESE.
00:52:33.650 SO AS WE KNOW THESE ARE VERY
00:52:35.185 SERIOUS AM GRACES AND --
00:52:37.320 ALLEGATIONS AND REPUBLICANS
00:52:37.920 WALKING ON VERY SENSITIVE
00:52:39.189 GROUND HERE.
00:52:39.522 SO IN TERMS OF THE OPTICS IN
00:52:41.324 TERMS OF LOOKING THROUGH THE
00:52:43.827 GOP POLITICAL LENS, WHO ASKS
00:52:46.296 THE QUESTIONS MATTERS HERE.
00:52:47.998 AND IT APPEARS THAT THE 11
00:52:49.032 REPUBLICAN MEN SITTING ON THIS
00:52:52.836 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WOULD
00:52:53.469 PREFER A FEMALE TO -- TO PURSUE
00:52:56.773 THE FORMAL QUESTIONING OF DR.
00:52:59.409 FORD.
00:53:00.610 OF COURSE WE CAN EXPECT DR.
00:53:01.511 FORD TO RELAY HER SIDE OF THE
00:53:03.446 STORY.
00:53:04.281 BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW
00:53:05.582 MUCH ABOUT DR. FORD YOU KNOW.
00:53:09.218 -- THIS IS HER FIRST PUBLIC
00:53:09.819 EXPERIENCE AND THERE ARE --
00:53:10.954 APPEARANCE AND THERE ARE STILL
00:53:12.322 A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
00:53:13.022 OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WHAT TO
00:53:13.756 EXPECT FROM JUDGE KAVANAUGH.
00:53:15.225 HE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO
00:53:16.993 STAND HIS GROUND AND DENY THESE
00:53:20.163 ALLEGATIONS.
00:53:20.496 HE HAS CALLED IT A SMEAR
00:53:21.531 CAMPAIGN.
00:53:21.798 AND THE JUDGE WILL CONTINUE TO
00:53:23.632 DEFEND HIMSELF.
00:53:24.033 AND BE ADAMANT ABOUT THE
00:53:25.101 DENIALS AND YOU KNOW HE'S LAID
00:53:26.903 OUT A VERY DIFFERENT PICTURE
00:53:29.105 THAN HIS ACCUSERS HAVE IN TERMS
00:53:30.106 OF WHO HE WAS AND WHAT HE WAS
00:53:31.541 AS A YOUNG MAN.
00:53:32.542 YOU KNOW HE SAYS HE WAS MORE OF
00:53:36.513 A CHURCH GOING BOY SCOUT CHOIR
00:53:39.449 BOY-TYPE.
00:53:39.716 WHEREAS HIS ACCUSERS HAVE
00:53:40.450 PAINTED HIM AS YOU KNOW A HARD
00:53:45.154 PARTYING, DRINKING, FRAT BOY.
00:53:46.923 SEXUAL PREDATOR IN MANY WAYS.
00:53:47.991 VERY SERIOUS GAILS AND A VERY
00:53:50.193 -- ALLEGATIONS AND A VERY STARK
00:53:50.927 CONTRAST IN THE WAY THE TWO
00:53:54.764 IMAGES HAVE BEEN DEPICTED.
00:53:55.331 IF ANYTHING THAT IS SAID TODAY,
00:53:57.701 ANYTHING THAT IS LEARNED TODAY,
00:54:00.303 WILL IMPACT TOMORROW'S EXPECTED
00:54:03.640 VOTE.
00:54:03.840 BUT CHAIRMAN GRASSLEY, CHUCK
00:54:04.741 GRASSLEY, OF THE JUDICIARY
00:54:06.442 COMMITTEE, HE INSISTS THAT A
00:54:10.847 VOTE WILL HAPPEN ON KAVANAUGH'S
00:54:12.849 CONFIRMATION TODAY.
00:54:13.282 >> ALL RIGHT MOLA LENGHI
00:54:14.050 REPORTING FROM CAPITOL HILL.
00:54:14.884 WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:54:16.252 WE JUST SAW A PICTURE THERE OR
00:54:18.388 AN IMAGE OF RACHEL MITCHELL WHO
00:54:19.689 IS NOW SEATED IN THE SENATE
00:54:22.726 CONFIRMATION HEARING ROOM.
00:54:23.293 ABOUT TO START JUST IN ABOUT
00:54:25.762 SIX MINUTES.
00:54:26.729 >> YEP.
00:54:27.397 SO YESTERDAY, NEW ACCUSATION OF
00:54:28.097 SEXUAL MISCONDUCT AGAINST BRETT
00:54:30.333 KAVANAUGH SHOOK WASHINGTON.
00:54:31.334 AS A THIRD ACCUSER JULIE
00:54:33.169 SWETNICK CAME FORWARD.
00:54:34.037 IN A STATEMENT POSTED ON
00:54:34.971 TWITTER SHE SAID SHE WITNESSED
00:54:36.806 THE FUTURE SUPREME COURT
00:54:38.308 NOMINEE AT HIGH SCHOOL PARTIES
00:54:39.876 WHERE HE ENGAGED IN SEXUALLY
00:54:41.778 AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR.
00:54:42.245 AND THAT KAVANAUGH WAS PRESENT
00:54:43.480 AT A PARTY WHERE SHE WAS
00:54:45.448 ALLEGEDLY DRUGGED AND GANG
00:54:47.016 RAPED.
00:54:47.249 >> JOINING US ON SET TO TALK
00:54:49.786 ABOUT THE LATEST ALLEGATIONS IS
00:54:52.355 CBSN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR --
00:54:52.988 NOW POLITICAL REPORTER FOR CBS
00:54:55.792 NEWS CAITLIN HUEY BURNS AND
00:54:58.928 ALSO FROM WASHINGTON IS WHITE
00:55:09.172 HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR Mc
00:55:14.778 CLATCHIE.
00:55:15.045 >> CIRCUMSTANCES BROUGHT IT OUT
00:55:16.713 THAT WAY.
00:55:16.979 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED
00:55:19.349 A LONG TIME AGO.
00:55:20.350 AND IT'S NOT THAT I JUST ABOUT
00:55:24.220 IT.
00:55:25.855 IT'S -- THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
00:55:26.923 IT'S BEEN ON MY MIDNIGHT --
00:55:27.924 MIND EVER SINCE THE
00:55:28.425 OCCURRENCES.
00:55:28.792 AS FAR AS IT GOES BRETT
00:55:29.526 KAVANAUGH IS GOING FOR A SEAT
00:55:30.427 WHERE HE'S GOING TO HAVE THAT
00:55:31.861 SEAT ON THE SUPREME COURT FOR
00:55:34.097 THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
00:55:35.031 AND IF HE'S GOING TO HAVE THAT
00:55:38.168 SEAT LEGITIMATELY, ALL THE
00:55:39.669 THINGS SHOULD BE EVACUATED.
00:55:40.603 >> ALL RIGHT -- INVESTIGATED.
00:55:41.237 >> ALL RIGHT SO CAITLIN BEFORE
00:55:42.605 WE GO TO ANITA, IN LISTENING TO
00:55:45.008 THAT MOMENT TO THAT SOUNDBYTE,
00:55:47.010 IT DID STRIKE ME THAT IT'S A
00:55:50.680 BRIEF CLIP.
00:55:50.980 BUT SHE DID SOUND PARTISAN.
00:55:53.682 THESE ALLEGATIONS MAY BE TRUE,
00:55:54.316 BUT I THINK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE
00:55:55.484 THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO THAT
00:55:58.621 AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY WELL
00:55:59.322 IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE AN
00:56:01.658 APOGEAN DA.
00:56:01.958 YOU HAVE -- AGENDA.
00:56:02.425 YOU HAVE WORKED IN GOVERNMENT
00:56:03.526 FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, YOU WHO
00:56:04.828 LEFT THE WASHINGTON BUBBLE AND
00:56:06.729 SHE WENT FAR AWAY.
00:56:07.162 SHE SAYS IN PART BECAUSE OF
00:56:08.865 THIS.
00:56:09.065 THIS IS A WOMAN WHO ACCORDING
00:56:10.600 TO THE SWORN AFFIDAVIT HAS
00:56:11.835 SPENT YEARS IN THE GOVERNMENT.
00:56:13.236 SO PRESUMABLY SHE WOULD HAVE
00:56:15.638 TRACKED BRETT KAVANAUGH'S
00:56:17.674 CAREER ASK HIS RISE IN
00:56:21.611 WASHINGTON JURISPRUDENCE.
00:56:22.144 DID YOU GET THE SAME TAKE?
00:56:24.747 >> IT ALREADY HAS BEEN AND
00:56:28.318 ESPECIALLY SINCE MICHAEL AVENUE
00:56:29.853 IN THE TEE IS HER ATTORNEY --
00:56:34.023 AVENATTI IS HER ATTORNEY HERE.
00:56:35.859 BECAUSE HE IS POTENTIALLY A
00:56:37.360 2020 PRESIDENTIAL CONTUNDER.
00:56:38.194 HE'S BEEN MAKING THE STOPS TO
00:56:38.895 THE EARLY STATES AND BEEN
00:56:41.231 INVOLVING HIMSELF IN THE
00:56:42.532 POLITICAL CIRCUS TO BORROW FROM
00:56:45.168 THE TITLE OF THAT CLIP THERE.
00:56:46.702 BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF IT TOO IS
00:56:48.805 THAT THIS IS A PERSON WHO KNOWS
00:56:53.643 THE PENALTY FOR PRESENTING THIS
00:56:55.778 INFORMATION IN A SWORN LEGAL
00:56:58.615 DOCUMENT.
00:56:58.882 KNOWS WHAT THE PENALTY FOR
00:56:59.449 PERJURY WOULD BE IN THAT CASE.
00:57:01.851 GIVEN HER CIRCUMSTANCE AND HER
00:57:04.387 HISTORY.
00:57:04.654 NOW WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING
00:57:05.588 TO ME IS AND THE BIGGEST
00:57:07.257 QUESTION I HAVE HEADING INTO
00:57:08.591 THERE SPECIFIC HEARING WHICH IS
00:57:10.627 ABOUT FORD AND KAVANAUGH, IS
00:57:12.162 HOW PERSUADABLE IS THE AMERICAN
00:57:14.697 PUBLIC?
00:57:14.931 AND HOW PERSUADABLE ARE THE
00:57:18.601 MEMBERS OF THE U.S. SENATE?
00:57:22.906 AND REALLY INTERESTING POLL
00:57:24.774 FROM NPR THAT CAME OUT
00:57:26.175 YESTERDAY SAYS LOT OF PEOPLE
00:57:27.710 HAVE REALLY MADE UP THEIR MINDS
00:57:30.647 ABOUT THIS.
00:57:30.947 9% OF REPUBLICAN -- 59% OF
00:57:32.782 REPUBLICANS SAYING THEY BELIEVE
00:57:34.083 KAVANAUGH AND 50% OF DEMOCRATS
00:57:35.018 SAYING THEY BELIEVE FORD AND
00:57:36.619 WHAT REALLY STUCK OUT TO ME IS
00:57:39.088 A # 4% OF REPUBLICAN -- 54% OF
00:57:41.857 REPUBLICANS SAY EVEN IF THE
00:57:43.760 ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE, THEY
00:57:44.327 STILL THINK HE COULD BE
00:57:45.895 CONFIRMED.
00:57:46.195 WE ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT
00:57:47.030 WE ARE JUST SIX WEEKS AWAY FROM
00:57:51.367 THE MID TEMPLE ELECTION AND
00:57:52.602 POLITICS IS HOVERING OVER ALL
00:57:53.703 OF THIS.
00:57:54.003 >> YOU WERE AT THE PRESIDENT'S
00:57:56.639 PRESS CONFERENCE YESTERDAY.
00:57:57.206 ANITA, HE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE
00:57:59.876 ALLEGATION BUT HE DID TALK
00:58:00.677 ABOUT THE WOMEN SPECIFICALLY
00:58:02.211 BUT SORT OF THE CLOUD AT THE
00:58:04.948 ALLEGATIONS HAVE SORT OF
00:58:06.950 PRESENTED ON THIS CONFIRMATION
00:58:07.684 HEARING.
00:58:07.951 JUST TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT HE
00:58:09.886 SAID.
00:58:10.119 >> I ONLY TELL YOU THIS, THIS
00:58:12.956 IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY
00:58:14.490 PEOPLE THAT I HAVE EVER MET.
00:58:17.060 AND EVERYBODY THAT KNOWS HIM
00:58:18.627 SAYS THE SAME THING.
00:58:21.598 AND THESE ARE ALL FALSE TO ME.
00:58:25.000 THESE ARE FALSE ACCUSATIONS AND
00:58:27.637 CERTAIN CASES AND CERTAIN CASES
00:58:30.073 EVEN THE MEDIA AGREES WITH
00:58:31.207 THAT.
00:58:31.407 >> ALL RIGHT SO EARLIER IN THE
00:58:33.209 WEEK, OR EARLIER WE HEARD HIM
00:58:34.644 SAY YOU GOT TO LET HER TALK.
00:58:37.480 CLEARLY BY YESTERDAY, THE
00:58:38.915 PRESIDENT WAS YOU KNOW, CLEARLY
00:58:41.217 INDICATING THAT HE DIDN'T
00:58:42.051 BELIEVE WHAT THE WOMEN HAD TO
00:58:44.319 SAY.
00:58:44.520 CERTAINLY WHAT BLASEY FORD HAS
00:58:45.922 TO SAY.
00:58:46.155 BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE
00:58:47.657 ON WHAT THE PRESIDENT HOW HE
00:58:50.593 PRESENTED HIMSELF?
00:58:51.026 >> SUREMENT I MEAN, HE'S -- THE
00:58:52.829 PRESIDENT HAS SLOWLY CHANGED
00:58:54.530 OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS RIGHT?
00:58:56.499 HE WAS VERY RESERVED.
00:58:57.734 THE FIRST FEW DAYS AND HIS
00:58:59.402 ADVISORS WERE TELLING HIM TO
00:59:00.002 KIND OF STAY OUT OF THINGS AND
00:59:02.005 LET IT PROCEED ON THE HILL.
00:59:04.841 LET SENATOR MITCH McCONNELL
00:59:06.376 SORT OF TAKE THE LEAD AND JUST
00:59:07.677 SORT OF STAY OUT.
00:59:08.411 BUT AS SOON AS HE LEFT
00:59:10.012 WASHINGTON, AND HIT THE ROAD
00:59:13.750 FOR A POLITICAL SWING THROUGH
00:59:14.550 LAS VEGAS AND MISSOURI, YOU SAW
00:59:16.986 THAT HIS TUNE CHANGED RIGHT?
00:59:18.054 HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HOW HE
00:59:19.088 REALLY FELT LIKE THIS NEEDED TO
00:59:21.791 HURRY UP.
00:59:22.057 THAT HE DID NOT BELIEVE DR.
00:59:23.726 FORD OR AT LEAST WAS SKEPTICAL
00:59:25.261 ABOUT WHAT SHE SAID.
00:59:25.862 AND THEN WE'VE SEEN HIM SORT OF
00:59:27.030 ESCALATE OVER THE LAST FEW
00:59:29.998 DAYS.
00:59:30.199 HE'S PRETTY ANGRY AT HOW LONG
00:59:32.769 THIS HAS TAKING -- MISS TAKING
00:59:33.870 AND YOU -- THIS IS TAKING AND
00:59:35.471 YOU HEARD HIM SAY THAT
00:59:36.873 YESTERDAY THAT THE SENATE IS
00:59:38.207 TAKING TOO LONG.
00:59:38.808 THEY SHOULD HAVE HUDRIED UP AND
00:59:39.942 HAD THE -- HURRIED UP AND HAD
00:59:41.244 THE HEARING AND HURRY UP AND
00:59:42.679 VOTE.
00:59:42.979 WHAT -- YOU KNOW CAITLIN
00:59:44.480 MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, WHAT'S
00:59:45.648 REALLY HANGING OVER HIM IS THAT
00:59:46.916 HE NEEDS TO GET THIS DONE.
00:59:48.951 THE SUPREME COURT NEW TERM
00:59:50.186 STARTS ON MONDAY.
00:59:51.520 HE HAS NOT LIKELY TO HAVE A
00:59:54.657 SUPREME COURT NOMINEE CONFIRMED
00:59:55.692 BY MONDAY.
00:59:55.992 SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PROMISE
00:59:57.226 THAT HE SAID HE WOULD MAKE TO
00:59:58.828 PUT A CONSERVATIVE ON THE
01:00:01.464 COURT.
01:00:01.697 A VERY IMPORTANT POSITION.
01:00:02.264 THIS NINTH SEAT.
01:00:04.200 AND ALSO YOU KNOW THE MIDTERMS
01:00:06.536 ARE JUST WEEKS AWAY HERE.
01:00:07.737 IF
01:00:20.883 >>> IT'S WEIGHING ON HIM
01:00:21.917 HEAVILY.
01:00:26.489 WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACT
01:00:27.423 ON THE MIDTERMS AS THIS HEARING
01:00:34.930 HAS UNFOLDED.
01:00:37.133 BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A
01:00:40.169 REALLY GOOD POINT.
01:00:40.703 IT CERTAINLY SEEMS LIKE
01:00:42.605 REPUBLICANS HAVE ALREADY
01:00:44.640 DECIDED WHERE THEY STAND ON
01:00:45.775 THIS, AND PRESUMABLY DEMOCRATS
01:00:46.809 HAVE, AS WELL.
01:00:47.609 SENATORS ARE WATCHING THE
01:00:49.412 TESTIMONY AND LISTENING TO THE
01:00:51.414 TESTIMONY FOR ONE THING BUT
01:00:53.049 WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSE EVERYONE
01:00:54.784 ELSE WILL BE OBSERVING?
01:00:55.851 >> WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER
01:00:57.587 THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME
01:00:58.921 THAT WE ARE SEEING FORD IN
01:01:01.356 PERSON.
01:01:01.858 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE IMAGES
01:01:03.993 FROM THE HEARING ROOM, LOOK HOW
01:01:05.194 INTIMATE IT IS.
01:01:06.396 WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO COME IN
01:01:09.232 FRONT OF CAMERAS, EVEN THOUGH
01:01:10.867 THERE ARE ONLY THREE CAMERAS,
01:01:13.302 TO COME IN FRONT OF THEM, ONE
01:01:16.005 OF THE MOST POWERFUL COMMITTEES
01:01:17.840 IN THE SENATE AND ALSO TO HAVE
01:01:21.010 MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AROUND THE
01:01:23.780 COUNTRY EITHER WATCHING LIVE OR
01:01:25.314 SEEING THESE IMAGES AND HER
01:01:26.916 ACTUAL TESTIMONY DISSEMINATED
01:01:28.551 ACROSS IN BYTES AND THEY WILL
01:01:30.153 SEE IT.
01:01:30.386 EVEN IF SHE JUST REPEATS WHAT
01:01:32.421 SHE HAS TOLD THE WASHINGTON
01:01:34.223 POST OR WHAT WE SAW IN HER
01:01:38.694 TESTIMONY THAT HASN'T BEEN
01:01:39.562 RELEASED ALREADY, HER PREPARED
01:01:40.229 REMARKS, THAT IMAGE AND PUTTING
01:01:43.399 THESE ALLEGATIONS TO A FACE AND
01:01:46.002 TO A PERSON, COULD BE PERSUASIVE
01:01:48.504 AMONG SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
01:01:51.007 WAITING TO HEAR FROM HER.
01:01:54.210 REPUBLICANS, HOWEVER, THEY FEEL
01:01:55.511 FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT,
01:01:56.612 FROM STRATEGIST AND OPERATIVES
01:01:57.847 I'VE BEEN TALKING TO ON THE
01:01:59.715 CAMPAIGN FRONT, THEY FEEL IF
01:02:01.850 THEY DON'T GET KAVANAUGH
01:02:04.220 CONFIRM NOW OR QUICKLY, THERE
01:02:06.322 WILL BE A BACKLASH AGAINST
01:02:07.390 REPUBLICANS IN THE MIDTERM
01:02:08.324 ELECTIONS AND THAT THEIR OWN
01:02:09.692 VOTERS WILL FEEL LIKE
01:02:10.927 REPUBLICANS DIDN'T DO ENOUGH TO
01:02:12.595 STAND UP FOR THIS NOMINEE AND
01:02:14.697 BECAUSE AS ANITA SAID, THIS IS
01:02:17.700 THE SUPREME COURT, BUT THIS IS
01:02:19.969 A PIVOTAL SEAT THAT COULD
01:02:22.538 CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF THE
01:02:23.906 SUPREME COURT FOR A GENERATION
01:02:24.773 AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS
01:02:27.009 REALLY ON TOP OF MIND AMONG
01:02:31.013 THESE.
01:02:31.246 >> LET'S RESET ON TOP OF THE
01:02:33.349 HOUR.
01:02:33.582 YOU SEE WITH THE CAMERA IS
01:02:35.251 POSITIONED TO VIEW RIGHT NOW.
01:02:37.119 DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD IS
01:02:38.854 SET TO APPEAR BEFORE THE SENATE
01:02:40.156 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND ALMOST
01:02:41.657 ALL THE SENATORS ARE ALREADY IN
01:02:45.027 THE COMMITTEE BRIEFING ROOM AND
01:02:46.895 SHE IS SET TO TESTIFY AGAINST
01:02:49.332 HER ACCUSATION THAT JUDGE BRETT
01:02:51.033 KAVANAUGH, TRUMP'S SUPREME COURT
01:02:52.702 NOMINEE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED HER
01:02:54.170 AND YOU SEE HER SEATED THERE
01:02:55.671 RIGHT NOW.
01:02:56.004 JUST BEFORE WE WATCH THIS
01:02:58.207 HEARING TAKE PLACE, I WANT TO
01:02:59.909 LET THE VIEWERS KNOW THAT I'M
01:03:01.677 SURE THIS TESTIMONY, FOR WOMEN
01:03:04.280 AND PEOPLE WHO SURVIVED SEXUAL
01:03:05.748 ASSAULT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT
01:03:07.250 TO WATCH.
01:03:07.816 YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL THE NATIONAL
01:03:09.952 SEXUAL ASSAULT HOTLINE, THEY ARE
01:03:13.256 OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY IN THE
01:03:15.625 NUMBER IS 1-800 -- 1-800-656-
01:03:18.493 4673 AS WE PREPARE TO WATCH DR.
01:03:24.400 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD WITH HER
01:03:25.434 OPENING CEREMONY.
01:03:25.834 THANK YOU SO MUCH AND LET'S SEE
01:03:27.436 IF WE CAN LISTEN IN.
01:03:43.552 SHE IS CLEARLY GETTING READY TO
01:03:44.754 BEGIN HER TESTIMONY AND I SEE
01:03:45.921 CHAIRMAN GRASSLEY IS ALREADY IN
01:03:47.056 THE ROOM AND WILL GAVEL IN
01:03:49.125 SHORTLY.
01:03:49.392 >> MUCH HAS BEEN MADE OF
01:03:50.660 COMPARING THIS TO THE ANITA
01:03:58.634 HILL TESTIMONY.
01:03:59.435 MUCH HAS BEEN MADE ABOUT HOW
01:04:03.005 LITTLE HAS CHANGED IN 27 YEARS.
01:04:05.340 ANITA HILL DID AN OP-ED,
01:04:08.577 BASICALLY SAYING THAT IN THE
01:04:09.912 CASE OF HER TESTIMONY.
01:04:10.813 CLARENCE THOMAS TESTIFIED
01:04:11.413 BEFORE HER AND AFTER HER AND
01:04:14.183 SHE WAS STUCK IN THE MIDDLE.
01:04:16.752 IN A WAY, THIS IS SOMEWHAT
01:04:19.221 SIMILAR.
01:04:20.022 WE'VE HEARD FROM JUDGE
01:04:21.524 KAVANAUGH, HE HAD TWO DAYS OF
01:04:23.025 HEARINGS AND WAS GRILLED ABOUT
01:04:24.260 SOME SORT OF ACCUSATIONS AND WE
01:04:26.195 DIDN'T KNOW THE DETAILS AT THE
01:04:28.163 TIME.
01:04:28.364 KAMALA HARRIS BROUGHT UP
01:04:29.865 SOMETHING THAT LEFT US
01:04:31.867 SCRATCHING OUR HEADS AMIN FOUND
01:04:33.569 OUT LATER.
01:04:34.403 HE WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK AFTER
01:04:37.206 HER AND MUCH IN A SIMILAR WAY.
01:04:38.908 IT CERTAINLY DOES SEEM LIKE THE
01:04:42.511 SENATE COMMITTEE HAS NOT
01:04:44.780 DEVELOPED A PROCESS TO HANDLE
01:04:45.715 THESE SORTS OF ALLEGATIONS.
01:04:46.349 LET'S LISTEN IN.
01:04:46.749 >>> THE NOMINATION OF JUDGE
01:04:50.586 BRETT KAVANAUGH TO SERVE AS
01:04:52.021 ASSOCIATE JUSTICE ON OUR
01:04:53.189 SUPREME COURT AND WE WILL HEAR
01:04:59.629 FROM TWO WITNESSES, DR.
01:05:00.296 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORWARD AND
01:05:01.297 JUDGE KAVANAUGH.
01:05:04.133 THANKS, OF COURSE, TO DR. FORD
01:05:04.900 AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH FOR
01:05:07.603 ACCEPTING OUR COMMITTEE'S
01:05:08.137 INVITATION TO TESTIFY AND ALSO
01:05:16.479 THANKING THEM TO VOLUNTEER
01:05:17.079 BEFORE HE TESTIFIED BEFORE WE
01:05:18.114 EVEN INVITED THEM.
01:05:18.881 BOTH DR. FORD AND JUDGE
01:05:21.250 KAVANAUGH HAVE BEEN THROUGH A
01:05:22.184 TERRIBLE COUPLE OF WEEKS.
01:05:30.993 THEY AND THEIR FAMILIES HAVE
01:05:31.894 RECEIVED VIOLENT THREATS.
01:05:32.794 WHAT THEY HAVE ENDURED OUGHT TO
01:05:33.930 BE CONSIDERED BY ALL OF US AS
01:05:35.363 UNACCEPTABLE AND A POOR
01:05:37.133 REFLECTION ON THE STATE OF
01:05:45.741 CIVILITY IN OUR DEMOCRACY.
01:05:46.609 SO, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU
01:05:47.777 BOTH FOR THE WAY YOU'VE BEEN
01:05:49.378 TREATED AND I INTEND,
01:05:52.181 HOPEFULLY, FOR TODAY'S HEARING
01:06:00.656 TO BE SAFE, COMFORTABLE AND
01:06:01.657 DIGNIFIED FOR BOTH OF OUR
01:06:02.391 WITNESSES.
01:06:02.691 I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES WILL JOIN
01:06:03.792 ME IN THIS EFFORT OF A SHOW OF
01:06:07.763 CIVILITY.
01:06:08.030 WITH THAT SAID, I LAMENT THAT
01:06:09.298 THIS HEARING -- HOW THIS
01:06:15.504 HEARING HAS COME ABOUT.
01:06:18.908 ON JULY 9, 2018, THE PRESIDENT
01:06:23.779 ANNOUNCED JUDGE KAVANAUGH'S
01:06:24.346 NOMINATION TO SERVE ON THE
01:06:25.614 SUPREME COURT.
01:06:27.683 JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS SERVED ON
01:06:28.417 THE MOST IMPORTANT FEDERAL
01:06:29.418 APPELLATE COURT FOR 12 YEARS.
01:06:31.821 BEFORE THAT, HE HELD SOME OF
01:06:34.857 THE MOST SENSITIVE POSITIONS IN
01:06:38.394 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
01:06:38.927 THE PRESIDENT ADDED JUDGE
01:06:40.596 KAVANAUGH TO A SHORT LIST OF
01:06:42.665 SUPREME COURT NOMINEES MORE
01:06:46.168 THAN NINE MONTHS AGO.
01:06:52.541 IT WAS NOVEMBER, 2017 AND AS
01:06:54.744 PART OF JUDGE KAVANAUGH'S
01:06:55.477 NOMINATION TO THE SUPREME
01:06:56.211 COURT, THE FBI CONDUCTED ITS
01:06:57.279 SIXTH FULL-FIELD BACKGROUND
01:07:00.716 INVESTIGATION OF JUDGE KAVANAUGH
01:07:04.120 SINCE 1993, 25 YEARS AGO.
01:07:08.290 NOWHERE IN ANY OF THESE SIX FBI
01:07:11.693 REPORTS, WHICH COMMITTEE
01:07:17.199 INVESTIGATORS HAVE REVIEWED ON
01:07:18.000 A BIPARTISAN BASIS, WAS THERE A
01:07:18.868 WHIFF OF ANY ISSUE -- ANY ISSUE
01:07:23.906 AT ALL -- RELATED IN ANY WAY TO
01:07:25.841 INAPPROPRIATE SEXUAL BEHAVIOR.
01:07:29.745 DR. FORD FIRST RAISED HER
01:07:30.779 ALLEGATIONS IN A SECRET LETTER
01:07:39.221 TO THE RANKING MEMBER NEARLY
01:07:40.322 TWO MONTHS AGO, IN JULY.
01:07:40.855 THIS LETTER WAS SECRET FROM
01:07:44.160 JULY 30, SEPTEMBER 13 2 -- NO
01:07:52.901 -- JULY 30 UNTIL SEPTEMBER 13
01:07:54.170 WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT.
01:07:55.003 THE RANKING MEMBER TOOK NO
01:07:57.373 ACTION.
01:07:57.606 THE LETTER WASN'T SHARED WITH
01:07:58.307 ME OUR COLLEAGUES OR MY STAFF.
01:08:05.314 THESE ALLEGATIONS COULD HAVE
01:08:05.981 BEEN INVESTIGATED IN A WAY THAT
01:08:07.049 MAINTAINED THE CONFIDENTIALITY
01:08:07.683 THAT DR. FORD REQUESTED.
01:08:16.591 BEFORE HIS HEARING, JUDGE
01:08:17.526 KAVANAUGH MET PRIVATELY WITH 65
01:08:18.493 SENATORS, INCLUDING THE RANKING
01:08:19.862 MEMBER.
01:08:22.898 THE RANKING MEMBER DIDN'T ASK
01:08:23.933 JUDGE KAVANAUGH ABOUT THE
01:08:24.600 ALLEGATIONS WHEN SHE MET WITH
01:08:25.434 HIM PRIVATELY IN AUGUST. THE
01:08:30.773 SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HELD
01:08:31.439 ITS 4-DAY PUBLIC HEARING FROM
01:08:32.241 SEPTEMBER 4 THROUGH SEPTEMBER
01:08:32.875 7. JUDGE KAVANAUGH TESTIFIED FOR
01:08:40.515 MORE THAN 32 HOURS IN PUBLIC.
01:08:42.451 WE HELD A CLOSED SESSION FOR
01:08:43.484 MEMBERS TO ASK SENSITIVE
01:08:47.055 QUESTIONS ON THE LAST EVENING,
01:08:48.858 WHICH THE RANKING MEMBER DID
01:08:49.792 NOT ATTEND.
01:08:50.091 JUDGE KAVANAUGH ANSWERED NEARLY
01:08:52.493 1300 WRITTEN QUESTIONS
01:08:53.495 SUBMITTED BY SENATORS AFTER THE
01:08:55.330 HEARING.
01:08:55.898 IT'S MORE THAN ALL PRIOR
01:09:00.903 SUPREME COURT NOMINEES.
01:09:01.803 THROUGHOUT THIS PERIOD, HE DID
01:09:05.274 NOT KNOW ABOUT THE RANKING
01:09:06.006 MEMBER'S SECRET EVIDENCE.
01:09:12.747 THEN, ONLY AT AN 11TH HOUR ON
01:09:13.948 THE EVE OF JUDGE KAVANAUGH'S
01:09:14.917 CONFIRMATION VOTE, DID THE
01:09:15.684 RANKING MEMBER REFER THE
01:09:18.921 ALLEGATIONS TO THE FBI.
01:09:21.323 THEN, SADLY, THE ALLEGATIONS
01:09:22.024 WERE LEAKED TO THE PRESS AND
01:09:22.924 THAT'S WHERE DR. FORD WAS
01:09:26.528 MISTREATED.
01:09:26.828 THIS IS A SHAMEFUL WAY TO TREAT
01:09:32.167 OUR WITNESS WHO INSISTED ON
01:09:33.335 CONFIDENTIALITY.
01:09:37.740 AND, OF COURSE, JUDGE
01:09:40.743 KAVANAUGH, WHO HAS HAD TO
01:09:42.278 ADDRESS THESE ALLEGATIONS IN
01:09:48.183 THE MIDST OF A MEDIA CIRCUS.
01:09:50.018 WHEN I RECEIVED DR. FORD'S
01:09:53.589 LETTER ON SEPTEMBER 13, MY
01:09:54.390 STAFF AND I RECOGNIZED THE
01:09:55.391 SERIOUSNESS OF THESE
01:09:55.924 ALLEGATIONS AND IMMEDIATELY
01:09:56.925 BEGAN OUR COMMITTEE'S
01:10:02.564 INVESTIGATION CONSISTENT WITH
01:10:03.465 THE WAY THE COMMITTEE HAS
01:10:04.533 HANDLED SUCH ALLEGATIONS IN THE
01:10:05.534 PAST.
01:10:05.734 EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, THE
01:10:11.006 DEMOCRATIC SIDE REFUSED TO
01:10:12.374 PARTICIPATE IN WHAT SHOULD HAVE
01:10:13.609 BEEN A BIPARTISAN
01:10:14.977 INVESTIGATION.
01:10:15.344 AS FAR AS I KNOW ON ALL OF THE
01:10:17.980 JUDGESHIPS THROUGHOUT AT LEAST
01:10:19.248 THE LAST THREE YEARS, THAT HAS
01:10:21.816 BEEN THE WAY IT'S BEEN HANDLED.
01:10:23.919 AFTER DR. FORD'S IDENTITY
01:10:24.520 BECAME PBLIC, MY STAFF
01:10:25.220 CONTACTED ALL THE INDIVIDUALS
01:10:32.161 SHE SAID ATTENDED THE 1982
01:10:35.331 PARTY DESCRIBED IN THE
01:10:35.831 WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE.
01:10:36.498 JUDGE KAVANAUGH IMMEDIATELY
01:10:37.099 SUBMITTED TO AN INTERVIEW UNDER
01:10:37.766 PENALTY OF FELONY FOR ANY
01:10:38.533 KNOWINGLY FALSE STATEMENTS.
01:10:45.607 HE DENIED THE ALLEGATIONS
01:10:46.575 CATEGORICALLY AND DEMOCRATIC
01:10:47.543 STAFF WAS INVITED TO
01:10:49.645 PARTICIPATE IN COULD HAVE ASKED
01:10:50.879 ANY QUESTIONS THEY WANTED TO.
01:10:51.714 THEY DECLINED.
01:10:52.081 THAT LEADS ME, THEN, TO WONDER
01:10:55.017 IF THEY ARE REALLY CONCERNED
01:10:58.921 WITH GOING TO THE TRUTH, WHY
01:11:01.790 WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO TALK TO
01:11:03.258 THE ACCUSED?
01:11:03.591 THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE IS
01:11:04.426 WHAT THE COMMITTEE ALWAYS DOES
01:11:05.093 WHEN WE RECEIVE ALLEGATIONS OF
01:11:13.469 WRONGDOING.
01:11:13.769 MY STAFF REACHED OUT TO OTHER
01:11:16.038 INDIVIDUALS ALLEGEDLY AT THE
01:11:17.339 PARTY, MARK JUDGE, PATRICK
01:11:18.107 SMYTH, LELAND KAISER -- ALL
01:11:18.874 THREE SUBMITTED STATEMENTS TO
01:11:19.675 THE SENATE UNDER PENALTY OF
01:11:20.675 FELONY, DENYING ANY KNOWLEDGE
01:11:28.751 OF THE EVENTS DESCRIBED BY DR.
01:11:29.418 FORD.
01:11:29.618 DR. FORD'S LIFELONG FRIEND, MS.
01:11:30.586 KAISER STATED SHE DOESN'T KNOW
01:11:37.893 JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND DOESN'T
01:11:39.895 RECALL EVER ATTENDING A PARTY
01:11:42.431 WITH HIM.
01:11:43.532 MY STAFF MADE REPEATED REQUESTS
01:11:45.200 TO INTERVIEW DR. FORD DURING THE
01:11:47.503 PAST 11 DAYS, EVEN VOLUNTEERING
01:11:48.637 TO FLY TO CALIFORNIA TO TAKE
01:11:49.638 HER TESTIMONY.
01:11:50.005 HER ATTORNEYS REFUSED TO
01:11:51.273 PRESENT HER ALLEGATIONS TO
01:11:52.307 CONGRESS.
01:11:55.944 , NEVERTHELESS, HONORED HER
01:11:56.678 REQUEST FOR PUBLIC HEARING'S
01:12:00.215 AND DR. FORD, TODAY, HAS THE
01:12:01.350 OPPORTUNITY TO PREVENT --
01:12:06.821 PRESENT HER ALLEGATIONS UNDER
01:12:07.790 OATH.
01:12:07.990 AS YOU CAN SEE, THE JUDICIARY
01:12:08.924 COMMITTEE WAS ABLE TO CONDUCT
01:12:10.726 THOROUGH INVESTIGATIONS INTO
01:12:11.393 ALLEGATIONS -- THOROUGHLY
01:12:21.170 INVESTIGATE THE ALLEGATIONS.
01:12:22.437 SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES,
01:12:22.971 CONSISTENT WITH STATED DESIRES
01:12:23.739 TO OBSTRUCT KAVANAUGH'S
01:12:24.373 NOMINATION BY ANY MEANS
01:12:27.209 NECESSARY, PUSHED FOR FBI
01:12:28.176 INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE
01:12:36.151 ALLEGATIONS.
01:12:36.552 I HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO FORCE
01:12:37.786 THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AGENCY TO
01:12:40.021 CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION INTO A
01:12:42.958 MATTER IT CONSIDERS TO BE
01:12:44.026 CLOSED.
01:12:44.259 MOREOVER, ONCE THE ALLEGATIONS
01:12:44.893 BECAME PUBLIC, IT WAS EASY TO
01:12:46.094 IDENTIFY ALL THE ALLEGED
01:12:46.627 WITNESSES AND CONDUCT OUR OWN
01:12:54.169 INVESTIGATIONS.
01:12:54.903 CONTRARY TO WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS
01:12:57.840 BEEN LED TO BELIEVE, THE FBI
01:12:59.007 DOESN'T PERFORM ANY CREDIBILITY
01:12:59.842 ASSESSMENTS OR VERIFY THE TRUTH
01:13:01.210 OF ANY EVENTS IN THESE
01:13:03.011 BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS.
01:13:04.513 I WILL QUOTE JOE BIDEN DURING
01:13:15.357 CLARENCE THOMAS' HEARING.
01:13:16.791 THIS IS WHAT SENATOR BIDEN'S
01:13:17.558 AND, QUOTE, THE NEXT PERSON WHO
01:13:18.894 REFERS TO AN FBI REPORT AS
01:13:24.733 BEING WORTH ANYTHING, OBVIOUSLY
01:13:25.367 DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING.
01:13:25.967 THE FBI EXPLICITLY DOES NOT, IN
01:13:29.271 THIS OR ANY OTHER CASE, REACH A
01:13:30.639 CONCLUSION, PERIOD.
01:13:32.774 THEY SAY HE SAID, SHE SAID, THEY
01:13:43.852 SAID, PERIOD.
01:13:46.154 SO, WHEN PEOPLE WAIVE THE FBI
01:13:47.990 REPORT BEFORE YOU, UNDERSTAND
01:13:49.124 THEY DO NOT -- THEY DO NOT --
01:13:50.626 THEY DO NOT REACH CONCLUSIONS.
01:13:51.559 THEY DO NOT MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS
01:13:58.934 , AND OF SENATOR BIDEN'S QUOTE.
01:14:00.435 THE FBI PROVIDED US WITH THE
01:14:01.470 ALLEGATIONS.
01:14:01.803 NOW, IT'S UP TO THE SENATE TO
01:14:05.540 ASSESS THEIR CREDIBILITY.
01:14:06.307 THAT BRINGS US TO THIS VERY
01:14:07.509 TIME. I
01:14:13.782 LOOK FORWARD TO A FAIR AND
01:14:14.983 RESPECTFUL HEARING AND THAT'S
01:14:15.784 WHAT WE'VE PROMISED DR. FORD.
01:14:16.517 SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE
01:14:17.319 COMPLAINED ABOUT THE FACT THAT
01:14:18.287 AN EXPERT ON THIS SIDE IS
01:14:25.627 INVESTIGATING SEX CRIMES AND
01:14:27.596 WILL BE QUESTIONING THE
01:14:29.797 WITNESS. I
01:14:31.033 SEE NO BASIS FOR COMPLAINT,
01:14:34.303 OTHER THAN JUST PLAIN POLITICS.
01:14:36.939 THE TESTIMONY WE WILL HEAR
01:14:39.374 TODAY CONCERNS ALLEGATIONS OF
01:14:40.509 SEXUAL ASSAULT, VERY SERIOUS
01:14:41.176 ALLEGATIONS.
01:14:41.509 THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY COMPLEX
01:14:42.143 AND SENSITIVE SUBJECT TO
01:14:46.648 DISCUSS AND IT'S NOT AN EASY
01:14:47.482 ONE TO DISCUSS.
01:14:48.182 THAT IS WHY THE SENATORS ON
01:14:48.984 THIS SIDE BELIEVE AN EXPERT WHO
01:14:50.552 HAS DEEP EXPERIENCE AND
01:14:57.926 TRAINING IN INTERVIEWING
01:14:58.594 VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND
01:14:59.561 INVESTIGATING SEXUAL ASSAULT
01:15:00.161 LED ALLEGATIONS SHOULD BE
01:15:01.029 ASKING QUESTIONS.
01:15:07.002 THIS WILL BE A STARK CONTRAST
01:15:09.571 TO THE GRANDSTANDING AND CHAOS
01:15:10.873 THAT WE SAW FROM THE OTHER SIDE
01:15:12.174 DURING THE PREVIOUS FOUR DAYS
01:15:13.041 IN THIS HEARING PROCESS.
01:15:15.344 I CAN THINK OF NO ONE BETTER
01:15:16.678 EQUIPPED TO QUESTION THE
01:15:17.612 WITNESSES THAN RACHEL MITCHELL.
01:15:25.087 MS. MITCHELL IS A CAREER
01:15:27.556 PROSECUTOR, CIVIL SERVANT WITH
01:15:29.758 DECADES OF EXPERIENCE
01:15:30.759 INVESTIGATING AND PROSECUTING
01:15:31.726 SEX CRIMES.
01:15:33.996 SHE HAS DEDICATED HER CAREER TO
01:15:36.598 SEEKING JUSTICE FOR SURVIVORS OF
01:15:38.000 SEX-RELATED FELONIES.
01:15:38.600 MOST RECENTLY, RACHEL WAS THE
01:15:39.334 DIVISION CHIEF OF THE SPECIAL
01:15:40.602 VICTIMS DIVISION, MARICOPA
01:15:48.176 COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHICH
01:15:48.809 PROSECUTES SEX CRIMES AND
01:15:49.444 FAMILY VIOLENCE.
01:15:49.844 THEN DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR, JANET
01:15:52.948 NAPOLITANO, PREVIOUSLY
01:15:53.448 RECOGNIZED HER AS THE
01:15:57.452 OUTSTANDING ARIZONA SEXUAL
01:15:58.720 ASSAULT PROSECUTOR OF THE YEAR.
01:15:59.353 SHE HAS SPENT YEARS INSTRUCTING
01:16:06.762 PROSECUTORS, DETECTIVES AND
01:16:07.329 CHILD PROTECTION WORKERS ON HOW
01:16:07.996 TO PROPERLY INTERVIEW VICTIMS OF
01:16:13.502 SEXUAL ASSAULT AND ABUSE.
01:16:15.470 WITH HER AGE, I LOOK FORWARD TO
01:16:18.340 A FAIR AND PRODUCTIVE HEARING.
01:16:20.008 I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE TWO
01:16:20.808 OTHER PUBLIC ALLEGATIONS.
01:16:21.609 TODAY'S HEARING WAS SCHEDULED,
01:16:28.150 IN CLOSE CONSULTATION WITH DR.
01:16:29.951 FORD'S ATTORNEYS, HER TESTIMONY
01:16:31.653 WAY WILL BE THE SUBJECT OF THIS
01:16:33.989 HEARING.
01:16:34.256 WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO
01:16:36.258 INVESTIGATE OTHER ALLEGATIONS.
01:16:37.693 AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE NOT HAD
01:16:40.495 COOPERATION FROM ATTORNEYS
01:16:41.296 REPRESENTING OTHER CLIENTS.
01:16:41.896 THEY HAVE MADE NO ATTEMPT TO
01:16:42.730 SUBSTANTIATE THEIR CLAIMS.
01:16:47.468 MY STAFF HAS TRIED TO SECURE
01:16:48.670 TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE FROM
01:16:49.270 ATTORNEYS FOR BOTH DEBORAH
01:16:54.242 RAMIREZ AND JULIE SWETNICK.
01:16:54.943 MY STAFF MADE EIGHT REQUESTS.
01:16:59.881 YES, EIGHT REQUESTS FOR
01:17:00.949 EVIDENCE FROM ATTORNEYS FOR MS.
01:17:03.418 RAMIREZ AND SIX REQUESTS FOR
01:17:05.887 EVIDENCE FOR ATTORNEYS FOR MS.
01:17:10.992 SWETNICK.
01:17:11.259 NEITHER ATTORNEY HAS MADE THEIR
01:17:19.768 CLIENTS AVAILABLE FOR
01:17:20.602 INTERVIEW.
01:17:20.902 THE COMMITTEE CAN'T DO AN
01:17:21.536 INVESTIGATION IF ATTORNEYS ARE
01:17:22.304 STONEWALLING.
01:17:22.637 I HOPE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT
01:17:23.271 WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO SEEK
01:17:29.778 ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, AS WE
01:17:30.411 DO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THERE
01:17:31.747 ARE HOLES IN WHAT WE CALL THE
01:17:36.952 VI REPORTS.
01:17:37.285 ADDITIONALLY, ALL THE WITNESSES
01:17:38.286 SHOULD KNOW -- WHEN I SAY ALL
01:17:43.558 THE WITNESSES, I MEAN DR. FORD
01:17:44.759 AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH -- ALL THE
01:17:48.363 WITNESSES SHOULD KNOW THAT THEY
01:17:49.698 HAVE THE RIGHT UNDER SENATE
01:17:58.040 RULE 26.5, TO ASK THAT THE
01:17:58.907 COMMITTEE GO INTO CLOSED
01:17:59.875 SESSION IF THE QUESTION
01:18:00.442 REQUIRES AN ANSWER THAT IS A
01:18:02.210 CLEAR INVASION OF THEIR RIGHT
01:18:07.749 TO PRIVACY.
01:18:08.316 IF EITHER DR. FORD OR JUDGE
01:18:09.951 KAVANAUGH FEEL THAT SENATE RULE
01:18:12.554 26.5 OUGHT TO BE INVOLVED, THEY
01:18:13.555 SHOULD SIMPLY SAY SO.
01:18:14.655 SENATOR FEINSTEIN?
01:18:17.025 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.
01:18:17.959 CHAIRMAN.
01:18:18.226 I WILL MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT ON
01:18:22.898 YOUR REFERENCES TO ME.
01:18:23.598 YES, I DID RECEIVE A LETTER
01:18:28.202 FROM DR. FORD.
01:18:28.803 IT WAS CONVEYED TO ME BY A
01:18:29.871 MEMBER OF CONGRESS, CONGRESSMAN
01:18:36.878 JIM -- ANNA ESHOO.
01:18:44.485 SHE REITERATED SHE WANTED THIS
01:18:45.520 CONFIDENTIAL AND I HELD IT
01:18:46.388 CONFIDENTIAL, UP TO A POINT
01:18:47.555 WHERE THE WITNESS WAS WILLING
01:18:49.524 TO COME FORWARD.
01:18:55.831 I THINK AS I MAKE MY REMARKS,
01:18:58.299 YOU WILL PERHAPS SEE WHY.
01:19:00.635 BECAUSE HOW WOMEN ARE TREATED
01:19:01.403 IN THE UNITED STATES WITH THIS
01:19:02.671 KIND OF CONCERN, IT'S REALLY
01:19:05.941 WANTING A LOT OF REFORM AND I
01:19:07.742 WILL GET TO THAT FOR A MINUTE.
01:19:10.478 IN THE MEANTIME, GOOD MORNING,
01:19:12.647 DR. FORD AND THANK YOU FOR
01:19:13.748 COMING FORWARD AND BEING
01:19:15.016 WILLING TO SHARE YOUR STORY WITH
01:19:18.420 US.
01:19:18.586 I KNOW THIS WAS NOT EASY FOR
01:19:21.022 YOU.
01:19:21.223 BEFORE YOU GET TO YOUR
01:19:22.691 TESTIMONY AND THE CHAIRMAN CHOSE
01:19:24.893 NOT TO DO THIS, I THINK IT'S
01:19:27.229 IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE
01:19:29.030 PROPERLY INTRODUCED.
01:19:29.497 >> I WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE
01:19:30.598 HER.
01:19:30.932 IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE HER, I
01:19:32.701 WILL BE GLAD TO HAVE YOU DO
01:19:34.502 THAT. I
01:19:34.903 WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I DIDN'T
01:19:36.671 FORGET TO DO IT.
01:19:38.105 I WAS ABOUT TO DO IT BEFORE SHE
01:19:41.009 SPOKE.
01:19:41.476 >> THANK YOU.
01:19:42.143 I HAVE TO SAY WHEN I SAW YOUR
01:19:45.614 CV, I WAS EXTREMELY IMPRESSED.
01:19:48.450 YOU HAVE A BACHELORS DEGREE
01:19:49.518 FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH
01:19:51.253 CAROLINA, CHAPEL HILL, TWO
01:19:54.689 MASTERS DEGREES.
01:19:55.824 ONE FROM STANFORD AND ONE FROM
01:19:57.525 PEPPERDINE AND A PhD FROM THE
01:19:59.294 UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN
01:20:00.295 CALIFORNIA, BETTER KNOWN TO
01:20:02.129 SENATOR HARRIS AND I ASKED USC.
01:20:08.470 YOU ARE A PROFESSOR AFFILIATED
01:20:09.371 WITH BOTH STANFORD UNIVERSITY
01:20:10.005 AND PALO ALTO UNIVERSITY.
01:20:10.772 YOU HAVE PUBLISHED OVER 65 PEER-
01:20:11.573 REVIEWED ARTICLES AND HAVE
01:20:12.140 RECEIVED NUMEROUS AWARDS FOR
01:20:12.841 YOUR WORK AND RESEARCH.
01:20:18.146 AS IF THAT WERE NOT ENOUGH, YOU
01:20:21.883 ARE A WIFE, A MOTHER OF TWO SONS
01:20:24.986 AND A CONSTITUENT FROM
01:20:27.155 CALIFORNIA.
01:20:27.789 SO, I AM VERY GRATEFUL TO YOU
01:20:30.792 FOR YOUR STRENGTH AND YOUR
01:20:32.227 BRAVERY IN COMING FORWARD.
01:20:33.862 I KNOW IT'S HARD.
01:20:35.630 BUT, BEFORE I TURN IT OVER, I
01:20:38.400 WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT
01:20:39.567 WHAT IS TO BE DISCUSSED TODAY
01:20:40.702 AND WHERE WE ARE, AS A COUNTRY.
01:20:48.243 SEXUAL VIOLENCE IS A SERIOUS
01:20:51.313 PROBLEM AND ONE THAT LARGELY
01:20:52.747 GOES UNSEEN.
01:20:53.080 IN THE UNITED STATES, IT'S
01:20:53.681 ESTIMATED BY THE CENTERS FOR
01:20:54.816 DISEASE CONTROL THAT ONE IN
01:20:58.920 THREE WOMEN AND ONE IN SIX MEN
01:21:00.522 WILL EXPERIENCE SOME FORM OF
01:21:01.523 SEXUAL VIOLENCE IN THEIR
01:21:02.424 LIFETIME.
01:21:10.165 ACCORDING TO THE RAPE, ABUSE
01:21:11.032 AND INCEST NATIONAL NETWORK,
01:21:11.666 60% OF SEXUAL ASSAULTS GO
01:21:13.935 UNREPORTED.
01:21:15.770 IN ADDITION, WHEN SURVIVORS TO
01:21:16.738 REPORT THEIR ASSAULTS, IT'S
01:21:17.672 OFTEN YEARS LATER, DUE TO THE
01:21:18.907 TRAUMA THEY SUFFERED AND FEARING
01:21:25.780 THEIR STORIES WILL NOT BE
01:21:29.017 BELIEVED.
01:21:29.283 LAST WEEK, I RECEIV A LETTER
01:21:30.986 FROM A 60-YEAR-OLD CALIFORNIA
01:21:31.920 CONSTITUENT WHO TOLD ME THAT
01:21:32.754 SHE SURVIVED AN ATTEMPTED RAPE
01:21:34.522 AT AGE 17 AND DESCRIBED IT AS
01:21:41.396 BEING TERRIFYING AND
01:21:43.164 EMBARRASSING.
01:21:43.497 SHE NEVER TOLD ANYONE UNTIL
01:21:44.566 MUCH LATER IN LIFE.
01:21:45.300 THE ASSAULT STAYED WITH HER FOR
01:21:46.768 43 YEARS. I
01:21:52.507 THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
01:21:54.242 REMEMBER THESE REALITIES AS WE
01:21:55.110 HEAR FROM DR. FORD ABOUT HER
01:21:56.111 EXPERIENCE.
01:21:56.411 THERE HAS BEEN A GREAT DEAL OF
01:21:57.846 PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
01:22:00.048 #METOO MOVEMENT TODAY VERSUS
01:22:00.682 THE YEAR OF THE WOMAN ALMOST 27
01:22:08.155 YEARS AGO.
01:22:10.158 BUT, WHILE YOUNG WOMEN ARE
01:22:12.327 STANDING UP AND SAYING, NO
01:22:14.963 MORE, OUR INSTITUTIONS HAVE NOT
01:22:16.597 PROGRESSED AND HOW THEY TREAT
01:22:18.633 WOMEN WHO COME FORWARD.
01:22:20.534 TOO OFTEN, WOMEN'S MEMORIES AND
01:22:22.837 CREDIBILITY COME UNDER ASSAULT.
01:22:23.671 IN ESSENCE, THEY ARE PUT ON
01:22:24.505 TRIAL AND FORCED TO DEFEND
01:22:33.547 THEMSELVES.
01:22:33.848 OFTEN, THEY ARE REVICTIMIZED IN
01:22:34.582 THE PROCESS.
01:22:34.949 27 YEARS AGO, I WAS WALKING
01:22:36.518 THROUGH AN AIRPORT WHEN I SAW A
01:22:40.922 LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE GATHERED
01:22:41.956 AROUND A TV TO LISTEN TO ANITA
01:22:43.024 HILL TELL HER STORY.
01:22:45.260 ONE I SAW WAS AN ATTRACTIVE
01:22:46.294 WOMAN IN A BLUE SUIT BEFORE AN
01:22:49.431 ALL-MALE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
01:22:50.397 SPEAKING OF HER EXPERIENCE OF
01:22:55.303 SEXUAL HARASSMENT.
01:22:55.737 SHE WAS TREATED BADLY, ACCUSED
01:23:00.742 OF LYING, ATTACKED AND HER
01:23:02.177 CREDIBILITY PUT TO THE TEST
01:23:10.485 THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
01:23:11.920 TODAY, DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY
01:23:12.654 FORD HAS COME FORWARD TO TELL
01:23:13.621 HER STORY OF BEING ASSAULTED
01:23:14.789 AND FEARING FOR HER LIFE WHEN
01:23:17.759 SHE WAS A TEENAGER.
01:23:18.793 INITIALLY, AS I SAID, DR. FORD
01:23:23.398 DR. FORD DID NOT WANT TO MAKE
01:23:24.933 HER PUBLIC -- STORY PUBLIC.
01:23:33.040 REPUBLICANS SCHEDULED THE
01:23:34.109 HEARING WITHOUT TALKING HER OR
01:23:35.009 EVEN INVITING HER TO TESTIFY.
01:23:35.876 SHE WAS TOLD SHE HAD TO SHOW UP
01:23:37.078 OR THE COMMITTEE WOULD MOVE
01:23:38.012 FORWARD WITH A VOTE.
01:23:39.714 IT TOOK A PUBLIC OUTCRY FROM
01:23:47.889 THE MAJORITY -- EXCUSE ME --
01:23:48.723 FOR THE MAJORITY TO BACK DOWN
01:23:49.858 AND GIVE HER EVEN A FEW DAYS TO
01:23:54.529 COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE.
01:23:55.363 REPUBLICANS ALSO SCHEDULED THIS
01:23:56.464 HEARING WITH DR. FORD WITHOUT
01:23:58.266 HAVING HER ALLEGATIONS
01:24:00.201 INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI.
01:24:05.673 IN 1991, ANITA HILL'S
01:24:06.206 ALLEGATIONS WERE REVIEWED BY
01:24:07.775 THE FBI, AS IS THE NORMAL
01:24:11.145 PROCESS AND SQUARELY WITHIN ITS
01:24:18.086 JURISDICTION.
01:24:18.720 HOWEVER, DESPITE REPEATED
01:24:22.123 REQUESTS, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
01:24:23.291 THE REPUBLICANS HAVE REFUSED TO
01:24:24.058 TAKE THIS ROUTINE STEP AND
01:24:25.326 DIRECT THE FBI TO CONDUCT AN
01:24:31.866 IMPARTIAL INVESTIGATION.
01:24:32.399 THIS WOULD CLEARLY BE THE BEST
01:24:33.067 WAY TO ENSURE A FAIR PROCESS TO
01:24:36.070 BOTH JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND TO DR.
01:24:41.943 FORD.
01:24:42.143 IN 1991, THE SENATE HEARD FROM
01:24:44.812 22 WITNESSES OVER THREE DAYS.
01:24:52.520 TODAY, WHILE REJECTING AN FBI
01:24:53.554 INVESTIGATION, REPUBLICANS ARE
01:24:54.188 REFUSING TO HEAR TESTIMONY FROM
01:24:54.855 ANY OTHER WITNESS, INCLUDING
01:25:00.962 MARK JUDGE, WHO DR. FORD
01:25:01.729 IDENTIFIED AS BEING IN THE ROOM
01:25:03.431 WHEN THE ATTACK TOOK PLACE.
01:25:05.533 WE BELIEVE MARK JUDGE SHOULD BE
01:25:09.069 SUBPOENAED SO THE COMMITTEE CAN
01:25:14.642 HEAR FROM HIM DIRECTLY.
01:25:15.209 REPUBLICANS HAVE ALSO REFUSED
01:25:17.011 TO CALL ANYONE WHO COULD SPEAK
01:25:17.912 TO THE EVIDENCE THAT WOULD
01:25:19.948 SUPPORT OR REFUTE DR. FORD'S
01:25:21.782 CLAIM. NOT ONE WITNESS WHO
01:25:26.921 COULD ADDRESS CREDIBILITY AND
01:25:31.859 CHARACTER OF EITHER FORD OR
01:25:32.827 KAVANAUGH HAS BEEN CALLED.
01:25:35.797 WHAT I FIND MOST INEXCUSABLE IS
01:25:40.034 THE RUSH TO JUDGMENT AND
01:25:41.168 UNWILLINGNESS TO TAKE THESE
01:25:45.540 KINDS OF ALLEGATIONS AT FACE
01:25:46.508 VALUE AND LOOK AT THEM FOR WHAT
01:25:48.209 THEY ARE, A REAL QUESTION OF
01:25:51.579 CHARACTER FOR SOMEONE WHO IS
01:25:52.547 ASKING FOR A LIFETIME
01:25:53.514 APPOINTMENT ON THE SUPREME
01:25:55.917 COURT.
01:25:59.454 IN 1991, REPUBLICANS BELITTLED
01:26:01.789 PROFESSOR HILLS EXPERIENCE
01:26:07.495 SAYING, AND I QUOTE, IT WON'T
01:26:08.563 MAKE A BIT OF DIFFERENCE IN THE
01:26:10.064 OUTCOME. THE BURDEN OF PROOF
01:26:17.405 WAS ON PROFESSOR HILL.
01:26:17.972 TODAY, OUR REPUBLICAN
01:26:18.473 COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING IT'S A
01:26:23.744 HICCUP AND DR. FORD IS MIXED UP
01:26:26.147 AND DECLARING I WILL LISTEN TO
01:26:27.615 THE LADY, BUT WE WILL BRING
01:26:28.716 THIS TO A CLOSE.
01:26:29.683 WHAT'S WORSE, MANY OF OUR
01:26:31.019 COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF
01:26:32.654 THE AISLE HAVE ALSO MADE IT
01:26:36.024 CLEAR THAT NO MATTER WHAT
01:26:36.724 HAPPENS TODAY, THE SENATE WILL
01:26:37.759 PLOW RIGHT THROUGH AND ENSURE
01:26:40.628 JUDGE KAVANAUGH WOULD BE
01:26:48.402 ELEVATED WITHIN A WEEK.
01:26:49.303 IN FACT, ON TUESDAY, THE
01:26:50.338 MAJORITY WENT AHEAD AND
01:26:51.306 SCHEDULED A VOTE ON THE
01:26:52.506 NOMINATION BEFORE WE HEARD ONE
01:26:53.941 WORD OF TESTIMONY REGARDING
01:26:54.842 ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
01:27:00.748 AND MISCONDUCT BY BRETT
01:27:01.949 KAVANAUGH.
01:27:02.249 REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP EVEN TOLD
01:27:03.084 SENATORS THEY SHOULD PLAN TO BE
01:27:05.253 IN OVER THIS WEEKEND SO THE
01:27:09.190 NOMINATION CAN BE PUSHED
01:27:09.757 THROUGH WITHOUT DELAY.
01:27:11.426 THIS IS, DESPITE THE FACT THAT
01:27:15.263 IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, TWO MORE
01:27:16.664 WOMEN HAVE COME FORWARD WITH
01:27:19.334 THEIR OWN SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS
01:27:20.201 OF SEXUAL ASSAULT INVOLVING
01:27:27.841 BRETT KAVANAUGH.
01:27:29.677 THIS PAST SUNDAY, WE'VE LEARNED
01:27:32.680 ABOUT DEBBIE RAMIREZ, WHO WAS A
01:27:34.449 STUDENT AT YALE WITH BRETT
01:27:36.517 KAVANAUGH.
01:27:36.817 SHE, TOO, DID NOT WANT TO COME
01:27:39.020 FORWARD BUT AFTER BEING
01:27:39.621 APPROACHED BY REPORTERS, SHE
01:27:41.089 TOLD HER STORY.
01:27:46.994 SHE WAS AT A COLLEGE PARTY
01:27:48.696 WHERE KAVANAUGH EXPOSED HIMSELF
01:27:49.664 TO HER.
01:27:49.897 SHE RECALLS PUSHING HIM AWAY
01:27:50.932 AND THEN SEEING HIM LAUGHING
01:27:55.103 AND PULLING HIS PANTS UP.
01:27:56.770 YESTERDAY, JUDY'S -- JULIE
01:27:58.473 SWETNICK CAME FORWARD TO SAY
01:27:59.407 SHE HAD EXPERIENCES OF BEING AT
01:28:00.575 HOUSE PARTIES WITH BRETT
01:28:01.809 KAVANAUGH AND MARK JUDGE.
01:28:07.448 SHE RECOUNTED SEEING KAVANAUGH
01:28:08.082 ENGAGE -- AND I QUOTE -- AND
01:28:09.550 ABUSIVE AND PHYSICALLY
01:28:10.050 AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR TOWARD GIRLS
01:28:11.185 . IT INCLUDED ATTEMPTS TO,
01:28:17.158 QUOTE, REMOVE OR SHIFT GIRL'S
01:28:18.493 CLOTHING.
01:28:19.026 NOT TAKING NO FOR AN ANSWER,
01:28:23.898 GRABBING GIRLS, QUOTE, WITHOUT
01:28:24.798 THERE CONTENT -- CONSENT AND
01:28:31.539 TARGETING PARTICULAR GIRLS SO
01:28:32.172 THEY COULD BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE
01:28:33.340 OF.
01:28:34.309 EACH OF THESE STORIES ARE
01:28:35.476 TROUBLING ON THEIR OWN AND EACH
01:28:44.619 OF THESE ALLEGATIONS SHOULD BE
01:28:45.586 INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI.
01:28:46.153 ALL THREE WOMEN HAVE SAID THEY
01:28:48.623 WOULD LIKE THE FBI TO
01:28:49.656 INVESTIGATE, PLEASE DO SO.
01:28:58.933 ALL THREE HAVE SAID THEY HAVE
01:29:01.402 OTHER WITNESSES AND EVIDENCE TO
01:29:02.403 CORROBORATE THEIR ACCOUNTS.
01:29:03.103 YET, REPUBLICANS CONTINUE TO
01:29:04.305 BLINDLY PUSH FORWARD.
01:29:06.908 SO, TODAY, WE ARE MOVING
01:29:07.809 FORWARD WITH A HEARING AND
01:29:09.010 BEING ASKED TO ASSESS THE
01:29:13.748 CREDIBILITY OF BRETT KAVANAUGH.
01:29:14.849 HE'S MADE SEVERAL STATEMENTS
01:29:20.087 ABOUT HOW HIS FOCUS WAS ON
01:29:21.289 SCHOOL, BASKETBALL, SERVICE
01:29:22.222 PROJECTS AND GOING TO CHURCH.
01:29:26.026 HE DECLARED THAT HE, QUOTE,
01:29:27.194 NEVER DRANK SO MUCH HE COULDN'T
01:29:30.164 REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED AND HE
01:29:33.301 HAS, QUOTE, ALWAYS TREATED
01:29:34.302 WOMEN WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT.
01:29:43.511 WHILE HE HAS MADE THESE
01:29:44.812 DECLARATIONS, MORE AND MORE
01:29:45.580 PEOPLE HAVE COME FORWARD TO
01:29:46.347 CHALLENGE HIS CHARACTERIZATION
01:29:46.981 OF EVENTS AND BEHAVIORS.
01:29:50.151 JAMES ROCHE, HIS FRESHMAN
01:29:51.218 ROOMMATE AT YALE STATED
01:29:52.186 KAVANAUGH WAS, AND I QUOTE
01:29:56.657 AGAIN, FREQUENTLY INCOHERENTLY
01:29:57.658 DRUNK.
01:29:59.360 THAT WAS WHEN, QUOTE, HE BECAME
01:30:04.732 AGGRESSIVE AND BELLIGERENT.
01:30:13.007 A FRIEND OF HIS FROM YALE SAID,
01:30:15.910 AND I QUOTE, THERE'S NO MEDICAL
01:30:18.112 WAY I CAN SAY THAT HE WAS
01:30:19.914 BLACKED OUT.
01:30:20.247 IT'S NOT CREDIBLE FOR HIM TO
01:30:21.282 SAY THAT HE HAS NO MEMORY
01:30:22.517 LAPSES IN THE NIGHTS THAT HE
01:30:24.252 DRANK TO EXCESS. LYNN BROOKS, A
01:30:31.092 COLLEGE CLASSMATE SAID THE
01:30:31.993 PICTURE KAVANAUGH IS TRYING TO
01:30:33.427 PAINT DOESN'T MATCH HER MEMORIES
01:30:38.166 OF HIM.
01:30:39.300 AND I QUOTE, HE IS TRYING TO
01:30:40.635 PAINT HIMSELF AS SOME KIND OF
01:30:41.636 CHOIR BOY.
01:30:42.503 YOU CAN'T LIE YOUR WAY ONTO THE
01:30:48.776 SUPREME COURT.
01:30:49.143 WITH THAT STATEMENT OUT HE'S
01:30:49.810 GONE TOO FAR.
01:30:50.344 IT'S ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE
01:30:51.678 INSTITUTION, AND QUOTE.
01:30:58.286 ULTIMATELY, MEMBERS AND LADIES
01:30:58.920 AND GENTLEMEN, I REALLY THINK
01:30:59.720 THAT'S THE POINT.
01:31:00.420 WE ARE HERE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO
01:31:06.894 EVALUATE THIS NOMINEE TO THE
01:31:09.162 MOST PRESTIGIOUS COURT IN OUR
01:31:10.498 COUNTRY, AND IT'S ABOUT THE
01:31:11.265 INTEGRITY OF THAT INSTITUTION
01:31:12.633 AND THE INTEGRITY OF THIS
01:31:14.502 INSTITUTION.
01:31:14.835 THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IS WATCHING
01:31:16.704 HOW WE HANDLE THESE
01:31:17.705 ALLEGATIONS.
01:31:23.444 I HOPE THE MAJORITY CHANGES
01:31:24.412 THEIR TACTICS, OPENS THEIR MIND
01:31:25.346 AND SERIOUSLY REFLECTS ON WHY
01:31:29.417 WE ARE HERE.
01:31:29.784 WE ARE HERE FOR ONE REASON, TO
01:31:31.052 DETERMINE WHETHER JUDGE
01:31:31.552 KAVANAUGH SHOULD BE ELEVATED TO
01:31:35.823 ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL
01:31:36.790 POSITIONS IN OUR COUNTRY. THIS
01:31:41.629 IS NOT A TRIAL OF DR. FORD,
01:31:42.697 IT'S A JOB INTERVIEW FOR JUDGE
01:31:43.798 KAVANAUGH.
01:31:44.098 IS BRETT KAVANAUGH WHO WE WANT
01:31:46.901 ON THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS COURT
01:31:53.140 IN OUR COUNTRY?
01:31:54.141 IS SEE THE BEST WE CAN DO?
01:31:57.144 THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:31:58.545 >> I'M SORRY YOU BROUGHT UP
01:31:59.714 ABOUT THE UNSUBSTANTIATED
01:32:00.281 ALLEGATIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE
01:32:01.215 BECAUSE WE ARE HERE FOR THE
01:32:06.020 SOLE PURPOSE OF LISTENING TO
01:32:06.988 DR. FORD AND WILL CONSIDER
01:32:07.688 OTHER ISSUES AT OTHER TIMES.
01:32:13.694 I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU RISE
01:32:14.995 ú
01:32:25.706 NOW, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE
01:32:27.675 TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE
01:32:28.843 BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE WILL BE
01:32:30.678 THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND
01:32:32.313 NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP
01:32:34.682 YOU GOD?
01:32:34.949 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:32:35.449 PLEASE BE SEATED AND BEFORE YOU
01:32:36.517 GIVE YOUR STATEMENT, I WANT TO
01:32:38.052 SAY THAT -- TO EVERYBODY --
01:32:39.954 THAT SHE HAS ASKED THAT ANY
01:32:45.159 TIME YOU ASK FOR A BREAK, YOU
01:32:46.360 GET A BREAK.
01:32:47.328 ANYTIME THERE'S SOMETHING THAT
01:32:49.463 YOU NEED THAT YOU DON'T HAVE,
01:32:50.331 JUST ASK US.
01:32:54.068 YOU CAN HAVE AS MUCH TIME FOR
01:32:55.670 YOUR OPENING STATEMENT AS YOU
01:32:56.570 WANT.
01:33:00.608 JUST, GENERALLY, LET US KNOW IF
01:33:01.876 THERE'S ANY ISSUES.
01:33:05.913 PROCEED, PLEASE.
01:33:06.814 >> THANK YOU, SENATOR GRASSLEY.
01:33:14.755 I THINK AFTER I READ MY OPENING
01:33:17.725 STATEMENT I ANTICIPATE NEEDING
01:33:18.526 SOME CAFFEINE IF THAT IS
01:33:20.261 AVAILABLE.
01:33:20.561 >> OKAY.
01:33:20.828 CAN YOU PULL THE MICROPHONE A
01:33:21.595 LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO YOU,
01:33:22.863 PLEASE?
01:33:27.468 >> OKAY.
01:33:28.435 >> CAN THE WHOLE BOX GO A
01:33:31.672 LITTLE BIT CLOSER?
01:33:32.105 >> I'M TRYING, SENATOR.
01:33:32.840 >> I WILL LEAN FORWARD.
01:33:34.008 >> THANK YOU.
01:33:39.480 IS THIS GOOD?
01:33:40.781 >> YES.
01:33:41.582 >> OKAY.
01:33:42.383 THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN GRASSLEY
01:33:44.284 AND RANKING MEMBER FEINSTEIN,
01:33:47.021 MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
01:33:48.121 MY NAME IS CHRISTINE BLASEY
01:33:49.056 FORD.
01:33:49.256 I'M A PROFESSOR OF PSYCHOLOGY
01:33:50.023 AT PALO ALTO UNIVERSITY AND I'M
01:33:55.329 A RESEARCH PSYCHOLOGIST AT THE
01:33:56.697 STANFORD UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF
01:33:57.331 MEDICINE.
01:33:57.598 I WILL DETAIL MY EDUCATIONAL
01:33:58.466 BACKGROUND SINCE IT HAS ALREADY
01:33:59.633 BEEN SUMMARIZED.
01:34:02.737 I'VE BEEN MARRIED TO RUSSELL
01:34:03.604 FORD SINCE 2002 AND WE HAVE TWO
01:34:05.172 CHILDREN.
01:34:10.978 I'M HERE TODAY NOT BECAUSE I
01:34:12.312 WANT TO BE.
01:34:13.380 I AM TERRIFIED.
01:34:14.682 I AM HERE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT
01:34:17.084 IS MY CIVIC DUTY TO TELL YOU
01:34:18.385 WHAT HAPPENED TO ME WHILE BRETT
01:34:19.420 KAVANAUGH AND I WERE IN HIGH
01:34:20.788 SCHOOL SCHOOL.
01:34:24.424 I'VE DESCRIBED THE EVENTS
01:34:26.727 PUBLICLY BEFORE.
01:34:27.127 I'VE SUMMARIZED THEM IN MY
01:34:30.097 LETTER TO RANKING MEMBER
01:34:30.965 FEINSTEIN AND AGAIN IN THE
01:34:33.400 LETTER TO CHAIRMAN GRASSLEY.
01:34:34.502 I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE
01:34:36.137 IMPORTANCE OF YOU HEARING FROM
01:34:37.438 YOU DIRECTLY ABOUT WHAT
01:34:38.673 HAPPENED TO ME AND THE IMPACT
01:34:39.907 IT HAS HAD ON MY LIFE AND ON MY
01:34:43.010 FAMILY.
01:34:46.046 I GREW UP IN THE SUBURBS OF
01:34:48.282 WASHINGTON, D.C. AND I ATTENDED
01:34:49.350 THE HOLTON ARMS SCHOOL IN
01:34:50.584 BETHESDA, MARYLAND, FROM 1978
01:34:51.519 THROUGH 1984.
01:34:56.724 HOLTON ARMS IS AN ALL GIRL
01:34:59.093 SCHOOL BUILT IN 1901 AND DURING
01:35:01.996 THE TIME AT THE SCHOOL, GIRLS
01:35:04.331 AT HOLTON ARMS FREQUENTLY MET
01:35:05.499 AND BECAME FRIENDLY WITH BOYS
01:35:06.634 FROM ALL BOY SCHOOLS IN THE
01:35:07.968 AREA INCLUDING GEORGETOWN PREP,
01:35:09.570 GONZAGA HIGH SCHOOL AS WELL AS
01:35:12.673 COUNTRY CLUBS AND OTHER PLACES
01:35:19.847 WHERE KIDS AND FAMILIES
01:35:21.582 SOCIALIZED.
01:35:21.882 THIS IS HOW I MET BRETT
01:35:23.017 KAVANAUGH, THE BOY WHO SEXUALLY
01:35:24.018 ASSAULTED ME.
01:35:24.351 DURING MY FRESHMAN AND
01:35:24.885 SOPHOMORE SCHOOL YEARS WHEN I
01:35:27.888 WAS 14 AND 15 YEARS OLD, MY
01:35:29.557 GROUP OF FRIENDS INTERSECTED
01:35:33.461 WITH BRETT AND HIS FRIENDS FOR
01:35:34.762 A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
01:35:35.663 I HAD BEEN FRIENDLY WITH A
01:35:36.530 CLASSMATE OF BRETT'S FOR A
01:35:40.067 SHORT TIME DURING MY FRESHMAN
01:35:40.935 AND SOPHOMORE YEAR AND IT WAS
01:35:42.570 THROUGH THAT CONNECTION THAT I
01:35:47.007 ATTENDED A NUMBER OF PARTIES
01:35:48.542 THAT BRETT ALSO ATTENDED.
01:35:50.010 WE DID NOT KNOW EACH OTHER WELL
01:35:52.046 BUT I KNEW HIM AND HE KNEW ME.
01:35:53.881 IN THE SUMMER OF 1982, MOST
01:35:59.253 SUMMERS, I SPENT MOST EVERY DAY
01:36:02.656 AT THE COLUMBIA COUNTRY CLUB IN
01:36:04.758 CHEVY CHASE, MARYLAND, SWIMMING
01:36:06.160 AND PRACTICING DIVING.
01:36:07.427 ONE EVENING THAT SUMMER, AFTER
01:36:08.796 A DAY OF DIVING AT THE CLUB, I
01:36:10.731 ATTENDED A SMALL GATHERING AT A
01:36:16.737 HOUSE IN THE BETHESDA AREA.
01:36:18.939 THERE WERE FOUR BOYS I REMEMBER
01:36:20.340 SPECIFICALLY BEING AT THE
01:36:21.342 HOUSE.
01:36:22.109 BRETT KAVANAUGH, MARK JUDGE, A
01:36:26.280 BOY NAMED PJ AND ONE OTHER BOY
01:36:28.415 WHOSE NAME I CANNOT RECALL.
01:36:29.149 I ALSO REMEMBER MY FRIEND LELAND
01:36:34.488 ATTENDING.
01:36:34.955 I DO NOT REMEMBER ALL OF THE
01:36:36.924 DETAILS OF HOW THAT GATHERING
01:36:38.259 CAME TOGETHER.
01:36:38.626 TOGETHER.
01:36:38.893 LIKE MANY THAT SUMMER, IT WAS
01:36:39.660 ALMOST SURELY A SPUR OF THE
01:36:41.128 MOMENT GATHERING.
01:36:43.764 I TRULY WISH I COULD BE MORE
01:36:45.199 HELPFUL WITH MORE DETAILED
01:36:46.033 ANSWERS TO ALL OF THE QUESTIONS
01:36:49.203 THAT HAVE AND WILL BE ASKED
01:36:50.404 ABOUT HOW I GOT TO THE PARTY
01:36:51.739 AND WHERE IT TOOK PLACE AND SO
01:36:53.340 FORTH. I
01:36:56.844 DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS AND
01:36:58.946 I DON'T REMEMBER AS MUCH AS I
01:37:00.047 WOULD LIKE TO.
01:37:00.780 BUT, THE DETAILS ABOUT THAT
01:37:03.517 NIGHT THAT BRING ME HERE TODAY
01:37:05.386 ARE THE ONES I WILL NEVER
01:37:06.387 FORGET.
01:37:06.620 THEY HAVE BEEN SEARED INTO MY
01:37:08.021 MEMORY AND HAVE BEEN HARD TO
01:37:13.394 BEAT EPISODICALLY AS AN ADULT.
01:37:14.661 WHEN I GOT TO THE SMALL
01:37:17.398 GATHERING, PEOPLE WERE DRINKING
01:37:18.666 BEER AND A SMALL LIVING
01:37:20.033 ROOM/FAMILY ROOM AREA ON THE
01:37:21.368 FIRST FLOOR OF THE HOUSE.
01:37:21.935 I DRANK ONE BEER. BRETT AND
01:37:29.143 MARK WERE VISIBLY DRUNK.
01:37:30.143 EARLY IN THE EVENING, I WENT UP
01:37:32.980 A VERY NARROW SET OF STAIRS
01:37:34.247 LEADING FROM THE LIVING ROOM TO
01:37:35.382 A SECOND FLOOR TO USE THE
01:37:36.816 RESTROOM.
01:37:43.757 WHEN I GOT TO THE TOP OF THE
01:37:45.059 STAIRS, I WAS PUSHED FROM
01:37:46.026 BEHIND INTO A BEDROOM ACROSS
01:37:47.027 FROM THE BATHROOM.
01:37:47.560 I COULDN'T SEE WHO PUSHED ME.
01:37:51.398 BRETT AND MARK CAME INTO THE
01:37:53.067 BEDROOM AND LOCKED THE DOOR
01:37:54.335 BEHIND THEM.
01:37:54.668 THERE WAS MUSIC PLAYING IN THE
01:37:55.870 BEDROOM.
01:37:59.340 IT WAS TURNED UP LOUD OR BY
01:38:00.908 EITHER BRETT OR MARK ONCE WE
01:38:01.875 WERE IN THE ROOM.
01:38:02.543 I WAS PUSHED ONTO THE BED AND
01:38:08.115 BRETT GOT ON TOP OF ME.
01:38:09.483 HE BEGAN RUNNING HIS HANDS OVER
01:38:10.217 MY BODY AND GRINDING INTO ME. I
01:38:17.091 YELLED, HOPING THAT SOMEONE
01:38:18.391 DOWNSTAIRS MIGHT HEAR ME AND I
01:38:20.995 TRIED TO GET AWAY FROM HIM BUT
01:38:22.663 HIS WEIGHT WAS HEAVY.
01:38:23.196 BRETT GROPED ME AND TRIED TO
01:38:24.231 TAKE OFF MY CLOTHES. HE HAD A
01:38:26.467 HARD TIME BECAUSE HE WAS VERY
01:38:27.734 INEBRIATED AND BECAUSE I WAS
01:38:31.839 WEARING A 1-PIECE BATHING SUIT
01:38:33.340 UNDERNEATH MY CLOTHING.
01:38:37.878 I BELIEVED HE WAS GOING TO RAPE
01:38:39.213 ME.
01:38:39.379 I TRIED TO YELL FOR HELP.
01:38:43.450 WHEN I DID, BRETT PUT HIS HAND
01:38:45.986 OVER MY MOUTH TO STOP ME FROM
01:38:48.489 YELLING.
01:38:48.922 THIS IS WHAT TERRIFIED ME THE
01:38:50.524 MOST AND HAS HAD THE LASTING
01:38:52.993 IMPACT ON MY LIFE.
01:38:54.027 IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO BREATHE
01:38:55.362 AND I THOUGHT THAT BRETT WAS
01:38:56.530 ACCIDENTALLY GOING TO KILL ME.
01:39:02.036 BOTH BRETT AND MARK WERE
01:39:02.936 DRUNKENLY LAUGHING DURING THE
01:39:03.537 ATTACK.
01:39:03.770 THEY SEEMED TO BE HAVING A VERY
01:39:05.439 GOOD TIME.
01:39:10.878 MARK SEEMED AMBIVALENT AT
01:39:12.679 TIMES, URGING BRETT ON AND AT
01:39:14.481 TIMES, TELLING HIM TO STOP.
01:39:16.216 A COUPLE OF TIMES, I MADE EYE
01:39:18.085 CONTACT WITH MARK AND THOUGHT
01:39:19.085 HE MIGHT TRY TO HELP ME.
01:39:20.153 BUT, HE DID NOT.
01:39:24.625 DURING THIS ASSAULT, MARK CAME
01:39:25.659 OVER AND JUMPED ON THE BED
01:39:26.627 TWICE WHILE BRETT WAS ON TOP OF
01:39:28.228 ME.
01:39:32.266 THE LAST TIME THAT HE DID THIS,
01:39:34.935 WE TOPPLED OVER AND BRETT WAS
01:39:36.136 NO LONGER ON TOP OF ME.
01:39:37.371 I WAS ABLE TO GET UP AND RUN
01:39:38.639 OUT OF THE ROOM.
01:39:43.243 I WENT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE
01:39:45.813 BEDROOM TO THE SMALL BATHROOM
01:39:47.982 AND I RAN INSIDE THE BATHROOM
01:39:49.917 AND LOCKED THE DOOR.
01:39:51.118 I WAITED UNTIL I HEARD BRETT
01:39:52.086 AND MARK LEAVE THE BEDROOM
01:39:53.020 LAUGHING AND LOUDLY WALKED DOWN
01:39:54.354 THE NARROW STAIRWAY, PIN
01:39:56.890 BOWLING OFF THE WALLS ON THE
01:39:58.359 WAY DOWN.
01:39:58.625 I WAITED AND WHEN I DID NOT
01:40:05.332 HEAR THEM COME BACK UP THE
01:40:07.701 STAIRS, I LEFT THE BATHROOM,
01:40:10.170 WENT DOWN THE SAME STAIRWELL
01:40:11.004 THROUGH THE LIVING ROOM AND
01:40:11.672 LEFT THE HOUSE.
01:40:12.472 I REMEMBERED BEING ON THE STREET
01:40:17.144 AND FEELING AN ENORMOUS SENSE
01:40:18.879 OF RELIEF THAT I ESCAPED THAT
01:40:19.947 HOUSE AND THAT BRETT AND MARK
01:40:21.148 WERE NOT COMING OUTSIDE AFTER
01:40:22.916 ME.
01:40:23.717 BRETT'S ASSAULT ON ME
01:40:24.418 DRASTICALLY ALTERED MY LIFE FOR
01:40:27.954 A VERY LONG TIME.
01:40:28.655 I WAS TOO AFRAID AND ASHAMED TO
01:40:33.994 TELL ANYONE THESE DETAILS.
01:40:34.928 I DID NOT WANT TO TELL MY
01:40:37.931 PARENTS THAN I, AT AGE 15, WAS
01:40:41.802 IN THE HOUSE WITHOUT ANY
01:40:42.703 PARENTS PRESENT DRINKING BEER
01:40:43.937 WITH BOYS.
01:40:46.607 I CONVINCED MYSELF THAT BECAUSE
01:40:48.008 BRETT DID NOT RATE ME, I SHOULD
01:40:49.542 JUST MOVE ON AND PRETEND IT
01:40:51.078 DIDN'T HAPPEN.
01:40:56.817 OVER THE YEARS, I TOLD VERY,
01:40:59.887 VERY FEW FRIENDS THAT I HAD HAD
01:41:02.856 THIS TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE. I
01:41:04.525 TOLD MY HUSBAND BEFORE WE WERE
01:41:06.360 MARRIED THAT I HAD EXPERIENCED
01:41:07.227 A SEXUAL ASSAULT.
01:41:08.161 I HAD NEVER TOLD THE DETAILS TO
01:41:09.762 ANYONE, THE SPECIFIC DETAILS,
01:41:15.169 UNTIL MAY 2012 DURING A COUPLES
01:41:16.637 COUNSELING SESSION.
01:41:17.070 THE REASON THIS CAME UP IN
01:41:18.137 COUNSELING WAS THAT MY HUSBAND
01:41:20.607 AND I HAD COMPLETED A VERY
01:41:23.010 EXTENSIVE, VERY LONG REMODEL OF
01:41:27.281 OUR HOME AND I INSISTED ON A
01:41:28.348 SECOND FRONT DOOR, AN IDEA THAT
01:41:32.019 HE AND OTHERS DISAGREED WITH
01:41:32.786 AND COULD NOT UNDERSTAND. IN
01:41:38.992 EXPLAINING WHY, WHY I WANTED A
01:41:42.129 SECOND FRONT DOOR, I BEGAN TO
01:41:44.498 DESCRIBE THE ASSAULT IN DETAIL.
01:41:46.900 I RECALLED SAYING THAT THE BOY
01:41:48.936 WHO ASSAULTED ME COULD SOMEDAY
01:41:50.904 BE ON THE U.S. SUPREME COURT
01:41:53.273 AND SPOKE ABOUT HIS BACKGROUND
01:41:54.675 AT AN ELITIST ALL BOYS SCHOOL IN
01:41:57.344 BETHESDA, MARYLAND.
01:41:57.777 MY HUSBAND RECALLS THAT I NAMED
01:41:58.679 MY ATTACKER AS BRETT KAVANAUGH.
01:42:05.085 AFTER THAT MAY 2012 THERAPY
01:42:07.888 SESSION, I DID MY BEST TO
01:42:10.657 IGNORE THE MEMORIES OF THE
01:42:12.226 ASSAULT BECAUSE RECOUNTING THEM
01:42:13.060 CAUSED ME TO RELIVE THE
01:42:13.927 EXPERIENCE AND CAUSED PANIC AND
01:42:15.161 ANXIETY.
01:42:19.099 OCCASIONALLY, I WOULD DISCUSS
01:42:20.167 THE ASSAULT IN INDIVIDUAL
01:42:21.034 THERAPY SESSIONS.
01:42:25.672 TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE
01:42:26.840 RELIVING OF THE TRAUMA SO I
01:42:28.242 TRIED NOT TO THINK ABOUT IT OR
01:42:29.843 DISCUSS IT.
01:42:30.143 OVER THE YEARS, I WENT THROUGH
01:42:31.011 PERIODS WHERE I THOUGHT ABOUT
01:42:32.312 THE ATTACK. I HAD CONFIDED IN
01:42:38.452 SOME CLOSE FRIENDS THAT I HAD
01:42:39.419 AN EXPERIENCE WITH SEXUAL
01:42:40.487 ASSAULT.
01:42:43.590 OCCASIONALLY, I STATED THAT MY
01:42:44.424 ASSAILANT WAS A PROMINENT
01:42:45.225 LAWYER OR JUDGE BUT I DID NOT
01:42:47.027 USE HIS NAME.
01:42:48.829 I DO NOT RECALL EACH PERSON I
01:42:50.163 SPOKE TO ABOUT BRETT'S ASSAULT.
01:42:56.103 SOME FRIENDS HAVE REMINDED ME
01:42:58.038 OF THESE CONVERSATIONS SINCE
01:42:58.939 THE PUBLICATION OF THE
01:42:59.472 WASHINGTON POST STORY ON
01:43:00.574 SEPTEMBER 16, 2018.
01:43:06.079 UNTIL JULY 2018, I HAD NEVER
01:43:06.947 NAMED MR. KAVANAUGH AS THE
01:43:07.814 ATTACKER OUTSIDE OF THERAPY.
01:43:09.015 THIS CHANGED IN EARLY JULY
01:43:17.824 2018. I
01:43:19.259 SAW PRESS REPORTS STATING THAT
01:43:20.927 BRETT KAVANAUGH WAS ON THE
01:43:21.862 SHORT LIST OF A LIST OF VERY
01:43:23.196 WELL-QUALIFIED SUPREME COURT
01:43:24.064 NOMINEES.
01:43:26.867 I THOUGHT IT WAS MY CIVIC DUTY
01:43:29.269 TO RELAY THE INFORMATION I HAD
01:43:31.037 ABOUT MR. KAVANAUGH'S CONDUCT
01:43:31.738 SO THAT THOSE CONSIDERING HIS
01:43:32.739 NOMINATION WOULD KNOW ABOUT
01:43:33.440 THIS ASSAULT.
01:43:34.207 ON JULY 6, I HAD A SENSE OF
01:43:42.683 URGENCY TO RELAY THE
01:43:43.283 INFORMATION TO THE SENATE AND
01:43:45.118 THE PRESIDENT AS SOON AS
01:43:46.587 POSSIBLE BEFORE A NOMINEE WAS
01:43:48.388 SELECTED.
01:43:49.456 I DID NOT KNOW HOW,
01:43:52.693 SPECIFICALLY, TO DO THIS. I
01:43:54.861 CALLED MY CONGRESSIONAL
01:43:56.396 REPRESENTATIVE AND LET HER
01:43:57.598 RECEPTIONIST KNOW THAT SOMEONE
01:43:59.299 ON THE PRESIDENT'S SHORTLIST
01:44:02.035 HAD ATTACKED ME. I
01:44:03.704 ALSO SENT A MESSAGE TO THE
01:44:04.771 ENCRYPTED WASHINGTON POST
01:44:05.605 CONFIDENTIAL TIP LINE. I
01:44:07.274 DID NOT USE MY NAME, BUT I
01:44:10.344 PROVIDED THE NAMES OF BRETT
01:44:11.478 KAVANAUGH AND MARK JUDGE.
01:44:13.813 I STATED THAT MR. KAVANAUGH HAD
01:44:14.715 ASSAULTED ME IN THE 1980s IN
01:44:16.048 MARYLAND.
01:44:17.017 THIS WAS AN EXTREMELY HARD
01:44:17.951 THING FOR ME TO DO.
01:44:21.088 BUT, I FELT THAT I COULDN'T NOT
01:44:23.056 DO IT.
01:44:28.061 OVER THE NEXT TWO DAYS, A TOLD
01:44:31.732 A COUPLE OF CLOSE FRIENDS ON
01:44:33.500 THE BEACH IN CALIFORNIA THAT
01:44:34.801 MR. KAVANAUGH HAD SEXUALLY
01:44:35.702 ASSAULTED ME.
01:44:36.035 I WAS VERY CONFLICTED AS TO
01:44:36.803 WHETHER TO SPEAK OUT.
01:44:41.575 ON JULY 9, I RECEIVED A RETURN
01:44:42.843 PHONE CALL FROM THE OFFICE OF
01:44:44.277 CONGRESSWOMAN ANNA ESHOO AFTER
01:44:50.917 MR. KAVANAUGH HAD BECOME THE
01:44:53.520 NOMINEE.
01:44:53.854 I MET WITH HER STAFF ON JULY 18
01:44:56.990 AND WITH HER ON JULY 20,
01:44:57.991 DESCRIBING THE ASSAULT AND
01:44:58.558 DISCUSSING FEARS OF COMING
01:44:59.626 FORWARD.
01:45:05.665 LATER WE DISCUSSED THE
01:45:06.900 POSSIBILITY OF SENDING A LETTER
01:45:07.934 TO RANKING MEMBER FEINSTEIN,
01:45:08.534 ONE OF MY STATE SENATORS,
01:45:09.335 DESCRIBING WHAT OCCURRED.
01:45:11.638 MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT
01:45:12.506 REPRESENTATIVE ANNA ESHOO'S
01:45:20.680 OFFICE TO THE ZOO -- DELIVERED
01:45:22.649 A LETTER TO MS. FEINSTEIN'S
01:45:23.683 OFFICE.
01:45:23.916 THE LETTER INCLUDED MY NAME AND
01:45:25.018 A REQUEST THAT IT BE KEPT
01:45:26.286 CONFIDENTIAL.
01:45:28.955 MY HOPE WAS THAT PROVIDING THE
01:45:30.090 INFORMATION CONFIDENTIALLY
01:45:30.957 WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO ALLOW
01:45:37.097 THE SENATE TO CONSIDER MR.
01:45:39.900 KAVANAUGH'S SERIOUS MISCONDUCT
01:45:41.468 WITHOUT HAVING TO MAKE MYSELF,
01:45:44.004 MY FAMILY OR ANYONE'S FAMILY
01:45:45.705 VULNERABLE TO THE PERSONAL
01:45:46.473 ATTACKS AND INVASIONS OF
01:45:47.040 PRIVACY THAT WE HAVE FACED
01:45:47.974 SINCE MY NAME BECAME PUBLIC.
01:45:52.145 IN A LETTER DATED AUGUST 31,
01:45:53.980 SENATOR FEINSTEIN WROTE THAT
01:45:54.748 SHE WOULD NOT SHARE THE LETTER
01:45:55.816 WITHOUT MY EXPLICIT CONSENT AND
01:45:56.983 I APPRECIATED THIS COMMITMENT.
01:46:03.990 SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIMS SHOULD
01:46:04.657 BE ABLE TO DECIDE FOR
01:46:05.826 THEMSELVES WHEN AND WHETHER
01:46:06.393 THEIR PRIVATE EXPERIENCE IS
01:46:11.231 MADE PUBLIC.
01:46:11.564 AS THE HEARING DATE GOT CLOSER,
01:46:12.699 I STRUGGLED WITH A TERRIBLE
01:46:13.833 CHOICE. DO I SHARE THE FACTS
01:46:18.271 WITH THE SENATE AND PUT MYSELF
01:46:19.439 AND MY FAMILY AND THE PUBLIC
01:46:20.907 SPOTLIGHT?
01:46:23.710 OR, DO I PRESERVE MY PRIVACY
01:46:24.945 AND ALLOW THE SENATE TO MAKE
01:46:25.879 ITS DECISION WITHOUT KNOWING
01:46:26.979 THE FULL TRUTH OF HIS PAST
01:46:28.415 BEHAVIORS.
01:46:33.620 I AGONIZED DAILY WITH THIS
01:46:34.554 DECISION THROUGHOUT AUGUST AND
01:46:35.455 SEPTEMBER 2018.
01:46:43.930 THE SENSE OF DUTY THAT
01:46:45.532 ORIGINALLY MOTIVATED ME TO
01:46:46.500 REACH OUT CONFIDENTIALLY TO THE
01:46:47.968 WASHINGTON POST AND TO THE
01:46:48.935 OFFICE OF ANNA ESHOO WHEN THERE
01:46:50.036 WAS STILL A LIST OF EXTREMELY
01:46:50.803 QUALIFIED CANDIDATES AND TO
01:46:51.972 SENATOR FEINSTEIN, WAS ALWAYS
01:47:00.046 THERE.
01:47:01.214 BUT, MY FEARS OF THE
01:47:03.683 CONSEQUENCES OF SPEAKING OUT
01:47:06.086 STARTED TO EXPONENTIALLY
01:47:07.053 INCREASE.
01:47:07.320 DURING AUGUST 2018, THE PRESS
01:47:08.021 REPORTED THAT MR. KAVANAUGH
01:47:09.089 CONFIRMATION WAS VIRTUALLY
01:47:09.656 CERTAIN.
01:47:12.659 PERSONS PAINTED HIM OF A
01:47:13.693 CHAMPIONS RIGHTS AND
01:47:20.901 EMPOWERMENT AND I BELIEVED IF I
01:47:23.436 GAME FORWARD, MY SINGLE VOICE
01:47:24.971 WOULD BE DROWNED OUT BY A CHORUS
01:47:27.207 OF POWERFUL SUPPORTERS.
01:47:28.108 BY THE TIME OF THE CONFIRMATION
01:47:29.276 HEARINGS I HAD RESIGNED MYSELF
01:47:29.976 TO REMAIN QUIET AND LETTING THE
01:47:32.212 COMMITTEE AND THE SENATE MAKE
01:47:33.380 THEIR DECISION WITHOUT KNOWING
01:47:35.114 WHAT MR. KAVANAUGH HAD DONE TO
01:47:36.583 ME.
01:47:41.754 ONCE THE PRESS STARTED
01:47:43.290 REPORTING ON THE EXISTENCE OF
01:47:45.992 THE LETTER, THAT I HAD SENT TO
01:47:47.994 SENATOR FEINSTEIN, I FACED
01:47:48.695 MOUNTING PRESSURE.
01:47:49.128 REPORTERS APPEARED AT MY HOME
01:47:49.762 AND AT MY WORKPLACE DEMANDING
01:47:51.397 INFORMATION ABOUT THE LETTER
01:48:00.040 AND IN THE PRESENTS OF MY
01:48:02.442 GRADUATE STUDENTS.
01:48:03.009 THEY CALLED MY BOSSES AND
01:48:05.045 COWORKERS AND LEFT ME MANY
01:48:07.447 MESSAGES MAKING IT CLEAR THAT
01:48:09.249 MY NAME WOULD INEVITABLY BE
01:48:11.051 RELEASED TO THE MEDIA. I
01:48:13.053 DECIDED TO SPEAK OUT PUBLICLY
01:48:13.986 TO A JOURNALIST WHO ORIGINALLY
01:48:15.255 RESPONDED TO THE TIP I HAD SENT
01:48:16.523 TO THE WASHINGTON POST AND WHO
01:48:17.290 HAD GAINED MY TRUST.
01:48:20.927 IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO
01:48:22.028 DESCRIBE THE DETAILS OF THE
01:48:23.330 ASSAULT IN MY OWN WORDS.
01:48:26.833 SINCE SEPTEMBER 16, THE DATE OF
01:48:29.035 THE WASHINGTON POST STORY, I
01:48:33.239 HAVE EXPERIENCED AN OUTPOURING
01:48:37.009
01:48:37.811 STATE OF THIS COUNTRY.
01:48:39.612 THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF
01:48:41.080 PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THEIR LIVES
01:48:43.116 DRAMATICALLY ALTERED BY SEXUAL
01:48:43.984 VIOLENCE HAVE REACHED OUT TO
01:48:44.951 SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCE AND HAVE
01:48:45.719 THANKED ME FOR COMING FORWARD.
01:48:51.057 WE HAVE RECEIVED TREMENDOUS
01:48:52.892 SUPPORT FROM OUR FRIENDS IN OUR
01:48:55.495 COMMUNITY.
01:48:55.795 AT THE SAME TIME, MY GREATEST
01:48:58.097 FEARS HAVE BEEN REALIZED AND
01:48:59.899 THE REALITY HAS BEEN FAR WORSE.
01:49:01.768 MY REALITY IS FAR WORSE THAN
01:49:03.670 EXPECTED.
01:49:03.937 MY FAMILY AND I ARE THE TARGET
01:49:05.105 OF CONSTANT HARASSMENT AND
01:49:06.006 DEATH STRENGTHS -- DEATH
01:49:10.544 THREATS AND I'VE BEEN CALLED
01:49:11.578 THE MOST VILE AND HATEFUL NAMES
01:49:12.846 IMAGINABLE.
01:49:13.980 THESE EXPRESSIONS HAVE BEEN
01:49:18.852 TERRIFYING AND HAVE ROCKED ME
01:49:19.652 TO MY CORE.
01:49:20.320 PEOPLE HAVE POSTED MY PERSONAL
01:49:21.153 INFORMATION AND THAT OF MY
01:49:22.923 PARENTS ONLINE ON THE INTERNET.
01:49:29.829 THIS HAS RESULTED IN ADDITIONAL
01:49:31.297 EMAILS, CALLS AND THREATS.
01:49:33.233 MY FAMILY AND I WERE FORCED TO
01:49:35.502 MOVE OUT OF OUR HOME.
01:49:36.202 SINCE SEPTEMBER 16, MY FAMILY
01:49:36.970 AND I HAVE BEEN VISITING IN
01:49:42.041 VARIOUS LOCALES, AND TIME
01:49:44.844 SEPARATED AND AT TIMES TOGETHER
01:49:46.145 WITH THE HELP OF SECURITY
01:49:47.480 GUARDS.
01:49:47.713 THIS PAST TUESDAY EVENING, MY
01:49:48.448 WORK EMAIL WAS HACKED AND
01:49:49.416 MESSAGES WERE SENT OUT TRYING
01:49:50.583 TO RECANT MY DESCRIPTION OF THE
01:49:53.319 SEXUAL ASSAULT.
01:49:58.925 APART FROM THE ASSAULT, ITSELF,
01:50:01.227 THESE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS HAVE
01:50:03.029 BEEN THE HARDEST OF MY LIFE.
01:50:04.130 I'VE HAD TO RELIVE THIS TRAUMA
01:50:05.164 IN FRONT OF THE WORLD AND I'VE
01:50:11.371 SEEN MY LIFE PICKED APART BY
01:50:12.505 PEOPLE IN TELEVISION, ON
01:50:13.072 TWITTER AND OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA
01:50:14.908 AND IN THIS BODY, WHO HAVE
01:50:20.880 NEVER MET ME OR SPOKEN WITH ME.
01:50:21.981 I HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF ACTING
01:50:23.048 OUT OF PARTISAN POLITICAL
01:50:24.216 MOTIVES AND THOSE WHO SAY THAT
01:50:30.056 DO NOT KNOW ME.
01:50:32.091 I'M AN INDEPENDENT PERSON AND
01:50:33.126 I'M NO ONE'S PAWN.
01:50:33.860 MY MOTIVATION IN COMING FORWARD
01:50:34.728 WAS TO BE HELPFUL AND TO
01:50:38.465 PROVIDE FACTS ABOUT HOW MR.
01:50:39.065 KAVANAUGH'S ACTIONS HAVE
01:50:40.200 DAMAGED MY LIFE SO THAT YOU
01:50:45.038 COULD TAKE INTO A SERIOUS
01:50:47.640 CONSIDERATION, AS YOU MAKE YOUR
01:50:49.242 DECISION ABOUT HOW TO PROCEED,
01:50:51.010 AND IT IS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY
01:50:52.245 TO DETERMINE WHETHER MR.
01:50:52.779 KAVANAUGH DESERVES TO SIT ON
01:50:54.214 THE SUPREME COURT. MY
01:50:55.315 RESPONSIBILITY IS TO TELL YOU
01:50:56.583 THE TRUTH.
01:51:03.857 I UNDERSTAND THAT A
01:51:05.291 PROFESSIONAL PROSECUTOR HAS
01:51:06.092 BEEN HIRED TO ASK ME QUESTIONS
01:51:08.061 AND I'M COMMITTED TO DOING MY
01:51:09.429 VERY BEST TO ANSWER THEM.
01:51:10.830 I'VE NEVER BEEN QUESTIONED BY A
01:51:11.798 PROSECUTOR AND I WILL DO MY
01:51:13.165 BEST.
01:51:16.035 AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE THE
01:51:17.437 COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL BE
01:51:18.304 JUDGING MY CREDIBILITY, I DO
01:51:19.038 HOPE TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE
01:51:20.373 DIRECTLY WITH EACH OF YOU. AT
01:51:22.709 THIS POINT, I WILL DO MY BEST
01:51:23.910 TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
01:51:30.717 AND, THE REQUESTS FOR CAFFEINE.
01:51:31.851 >> A COKE OR SOMETHING?
01:51:34.420 >> THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
01:51:36.856 THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
01:51:38.925 >> THANK YOU.
01:51:39.626 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:51:40.693 BEFORE I USE MY FIVE MINUTES OF
01:51:41.494 QUESTIONING, I THOUGHT THAT I'D
01:51:43.029 TRY TO REMIND MY COLLEAGUES --
01:51:47.834 AND IN THIS CASE, MS. MITCHELL,
01:51:49.235 AS WELL, THAT THE 5 MINUTES --
01:51:57.076 THE WAY I TRADITIONALLY HAVE
01:51:58.378 DONE THIS.
01:51:58.678 IF YOU ASK A QUESTION BEFORE
01:52:03.115 YOUR TIME RUNS OUT AND EVEN
01:52:04.751 THOUGH YOU GO OVER YOUR TIME,
01:52:05.785 AS LONG AS YOU AREN'T
01:52:07.019 FILIBUSTERING, I WILL LET YOU
01:52:11.290 ASK YOUR QUESTION.
01:52:11.991 I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT
01:52:12.758 BOTH DR. FORD AND DR. FORD AND
01:52:16.830 JUDGE KAVANAUGH -- AS CHAIRMAN
01:52:22.535 OF THE COMMITTEE -- I KNOW THEY
01:52:23.770 WILL GET A CHANCE TO ANSWER THE
01:52:25.905 QUESTIONS FULLY.
01:52:26.305 BEYOND THE 5 MINUTES.
01:52:27.173 BUT, WHEN EITHER DR. FORD OR
01:52:31.043 JUDGE KAVANAUGH GETS DONE, WE
01:52:36.449 IMMEDIATELY GO TO THE NEXT
01:52:37.283 PERSON.
01:52:37.516 SO, I HOPE THAT WILL BE DONE.
01:52:45.258 DR. FORD, I'M TOLD THAT YOU
01:52:47.627 WANT A BREAK RIGHT NOW.
01:52:49.162 IF YOU DO, THAT'S FINE.
01:52:50.830 >> I'M OKAY.
01:52:51.865 I GOT THE COFFEE.
01:52:54.200 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:52:55.001 I THINK I CAN PROCEED WITH THE
01:52:57.570 COFFEE.
01:52:57.803 >> NOBODY CAN MIX UP MY COFFEE
01:52:59.005 RIGHT, SO YOU ARE PRETTY
01:52:59.872 FORTUNATE.
01:53:00.506 NOW, WITH THAT, YOU HAVE MY
01:53:06.779 FIVE MINUTES TO ASK QUESTIONS,
01:53:08.047 MS. MITCHELL.
01:53:11.417 >> GOOD MORNING, DR. FORD.
01:53:16.289 WE HAVEN'T MET.
01:53:17.023 MY NAME IS RACHEL MITCHELL.
01:53:18.257 >> NICE TO MEET YOU.
01:53:19.392 >> I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THE
01:53:22.395 FIRST THING THAT STRUCK ME FROM
01:53:23.730 YOUR STATEMENT THIS MORNING WAS
01:53:26.232 THAT YOU ARE TERRIFIED AND JUST
01:53:27.367 WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I'M VERY
01:53:28.668 SORRY.
01:53:29.335 THAT'S NOT RIGHT. I
01:53:34.307 KNOW THIS IS STRESSFUL AND I
01:53:36.442 WOULD LIKE TO SET FORTH SOME
01:53:38.444 GUIDELINES THAT MAY ALLEVIATE
01:53:40.680 THAT A LITTLE BIT.
01:53:41.547 IF I ASK YOU A QUESTION THAT
01:53:42.782 YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, PLEASE
01:53:43.750 ASK ME TO CLARIFY IT.
01:53:48.888 OR, ASK IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
01:53:51.724 WHEN I ASK QUESTIONS, I MAY
01:53:53.660 REFER TO OTHER INFORMATION YOU
01:53:54.761 HAVE PROVIDED.
01:53:55.128 IF I DO THAT AND I GET IT
01:53:56.396 WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME.
01:54:00.233 I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU TO
01:54:03.136 GUESS. I
01:54:03.937 KNOW IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
01:54:05.905 IF YOU DO ESTIMATE, PLEASE LET
01:54:06.940 ME KNOW THAT YOU ARE
01:54:08.308 ESTIMATING, OKAY?
01:54:13.246 WE'VE PUT BEFORE YOU, AND I'M
01:54:16.182 SURE YOU HAVE COPIES OF IT
01:54:18.051 ANYWAY, FIVE PIECES OF
01:54:19.852 INFORMATION AND THEY WANT TO GO
01:54:20.820 OVER THEM.
01:54:21.120 THE FIRST IS A SCREENSHOT OF A
01:54:22.621 WHATSAPP TEXTING BETWEEN YOU
01:54:26.559 AND SOMEBODY AT THE WASHINGTON
01:54:27.727 POST.
01:54:27.927 DO YOU HAVE THAN IN FRONT OF
01:54:29.262 YOU?
01:54:31.030 >> YES.
01:54:33.166 >> THE FIRST TWO TEXT MESSAGES
01:54:34.767 WERE SENT BY YOU ON JULY 6, IS
01:54:37.070 THAT CORRECT?
01:54:37.437 >> CORRECT.
01:54:37.970 >> THE LAST WAS ON JULY 10 SENT
01:54:40.673 BY YOU?
01:54:40.940 >> CORRECT.
01:54:41.273 >> ARE THOSE THREE COMMENTS
01:54:42.909 ACCURATE?
01:54:45.611 >> I WILL READ THEM.
01:54:46.479 >> TAKE YOUR TIME.
01:54:57.657 >> THERE IS ONE CORRECTION.
01:54:58.958 >> OKAY.
01:54:59.225 >> I MISUSED THE WORD BYSTANDER
01:55:00.058 AS AN ADJECTIVE.
01:55:05.098 >> OKAY.
01:55:05.365 >> BYSTANDER MEANS SOMEONE THAT
01:55:06.332 IS LOOKING AT AN ASSAULT AND THE
01:55:12.238 PERSON NAMED PJ WAS NOT
01:55:14.007 TECHNICALLY A BYSTANDER. I
01:55:14.807 WAS WRITING VERY QUICKLY WITH A
01:55:17.477 SENSE OF URGENCY. I
01:55:19.012 WOULD NOT CALL HIM A BYSTANDER.
01:55:21.347 HE WAS DOWNSTAIRS AND WHAT I
01:55:22.215 REMEMBER OF HIM, HE WAS TALL AND
01:55:25.018 A VERY NICE PERSON. I
01:55:27.620 DIDN'T KNOW HIM WELL.
01:55:29.956 HE WAS DOWNSTAIRS, NOT ANYWHERE
01:55:31.024 NEAR THE EVENT.
01:55:32.057 >> THANK YOU.
01:55:33.392 >> I'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT WORD
01:55:36.295 OUT, IF POSSIBLE.
01:55:38.063 >> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING
01:55:40.333 THAT.
01:55:40.733 THE SECOND IS THE LETTER THAT
01:55:42.101 YOU WROTE TO SENATOR FEINSTEIN
01:55:44.037 DATED JULY 30 OF THIS YEAR.
01:55:46.839 DID YOU WRITE THE LETTER
01:55:47.673 YOURSELF?
01:55:47.973 >> I DID.
01:55:48.574 >> SINCE IT'S DATED JULY 30,
01:55:49.542 DID YOU WRITE IT ON THAT DATE?
01:55:56.416 >> I BELIEVE SO.
01:55:57.049 IT SOUNDS RIGHT.
01:55:57.683 I WAS IN DELAWARE AT THE TIME. I
01:56:02.555 COULD LOOK INTO MY CALENDAR AND
01:56:04.223 TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
01:56:04.924 >> WAS IT WRITTEN ON OR ABOUT
01:56:06.025 THAT DATE?
01:56:06.893 >> YES. I
01:56:12.332 TRAVEL, I THINK, THE 26TH OF
01:56:14.266 JULY 2 DELAWARE.
01:56:15.034 IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE I WROTE
01:56:16.235 IT FROM THERE.
01:56:16.602 >> IS A LETTER ACCURATE?
01:56:20.572 >> I WILL TAKE A MINUTE TO READ
01:56:22.775 IT.
01:56:22.941 I CAN READ FAST.
01:56:23.476 >> TAKE YOUR TIME.
01:56:30.416 >> OKAY.
01:57:23.035 >> OKAY. I
01:57:29.075 HAVE THREE AREAS I'D LIKE TO
01:57:30.209 ADDRESS.
01:57:30.476 >> OKAY.
01:57:30.742 >> IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH,
01:57:31.376 WHERE IT SAYS THE ASSAULT
01:57:34.347 OCCURRED IN A SUBURBAN MARYLAND
01:57:35.715 AREA HOME, AT A GATHERING THAT
01:57:44.223 INCLUDED ME AND FOUR OTHERS, I
01:57:45.658 CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THERE
01:57:46.225 WEREN'T A FEW OTHER PEOPLE
01:57:47.192 THERE.
01:57:47.827 THEY ARE NOT IN MY PURVIEW OF
01:57:52.665 MY MEMORY.
01:57:52.965 >> WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY
01:57:56.035 THERE WERE AT LEAST FOUR
01:57:57.570 OTHERS?
01:57:57.803 >> YES.
01:57:58.704 >> OKAY.
01:57:59.739 >> WHAT IS THE SECOND
01:58:01.807 CORRECTION?
01:58:02.108 >> THE NEXT SENTENCE BEGINS
01:58:03.776 WITH KAVANAUGH PHYSICALLY
01:58:05.044 PUSHED ME INTO THE BEDROOM.
01:58:06.646 I WOULD SAY I CAN'T PROMISE
01:58:08.648 THAT MARK JUDGE DIDN'T ASSIST
01:58:10.016 WITH THAT. I
01:58:11.017 DON'T KNOW.
01:58:11.317 I WAS PUSHED FROM BEHIND. I
01:58:14.020 DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT FULLY ON
01:58:15.654 HIM.
01:58:16.122 >> OKAY.
01:58:16.622 >> MS. MITCHELL, I DON'T KNOW
01:58:18.324 WHETHER IT'S FAIR TO ME TO
01:58:19.859 INTERRUPT BUT I WANT TO KEEP
01:58:20.993 PEOPLE WITHIN FIVE MINUTES.
01:58:22.428 IS THAT A MAJOR PROBLEM FOR YOU
01:58:24.330 IN THE MIDDLE OF A QUESTION?
01:58:26.432 BECAUSE, WE'VE GOT TO -- I'VE
01:58:29.302 GOT TO TREAT EVERYBODY THE
01:58:31.337 SAME.
01:58:31.537 >> A UNDERSTAND THAT.
01:58:32.037 >> CANNOT GO TO SENATOR
01:58:35.007 FEINSTEIN?
01:58:36.008 >> YES, SIR.
01:58:36.742 I'M SORRY.
01:58:37.042 PLEASE DO.
01:58:37.342 >> SENATOR FEINSTEIN?
01:58:38.778 >> WE WILL COME BACK TO THAT.
01:58:42.148 >> OKAY.
01:58:45.584 >>
01:59:10.910 .
01:59:12.712 >>> A THOUSAND FEMALE
01:59:14.313 PHYSICIANS CHOOSE THE COUNTRY
01:59:16.214 THOSE ARE WHAT THE LETTERS ARE.
01:59:18.884 I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH
01:59:21.487 FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.
01:59:32.031 WHY HAVE YOU HELD IT TO
01:59:33.332 YOURSELF ALL THESE YEARS?
01:59:35.234 ASYOU LOOK BACK CAN YOU
01:59:37.103 INDICATE WHAT THE REASONS ARE?
01:59:43.342 .
01:59:46.913 >>WELL, I DID DISCLOSE IT IN
01:59:47.513 THE CONFINES OF THERAPY WHERE I
01:59:50.082 FELT LIKE IT WAS AN APPROPRIATE
01:59:53.386 PLACE TO COPE WITH THE EVENT.
01:59:56.822 >> WELL, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT
01:59:59.592 IMPACT THE EVENTS HAD ON YOU?
02:00:03.562 >> WELL, I THINK IT VARIES BY
02:00:06.799 PERSON.
02:00:07.032 SO FOR ME PERSONALLYANXIETY,
02:00:10.635 PHOBIA, AND PTSD-LIKE SYMPTOMS
02:00:13.940 ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT
02:00:16.242 I'VE BEEN COPING WITH.
02:00:17.877 SOMORE SPECIFICALLY PANIC AND
02:00:19.011 THAT TYPE OF THING.
02:00:20.813 >> IS THAT THE REASON FOR THE
02:00:23.549 SECOND DOOR, FRONT DOOR?
02:00:29.755 >> CORRECT, CORRECT -- OUR
02:00:30.322 HOUSE DOES NOT LOOK AS AT THE
02:00:31.089 TIME COLLEAGUE PLEASING FROM
02:00:32.058 THE CURB.
02:00:32.725 >> AND DO YOU HAVE THAT SECOND
02:00:34.259 FRONT DOOR?
02:00:36.729 >> YES.
02:00:37.029 IT NOW IS A PLACE TO HOST
02:00:38.831 GOOGLE INTERNS.
02:00:39.231 WE LIVENEAR GOOGLE SO WE GET TO
02:00:41.500 -- OTHER STUDENTS --
02:00:43.836 >> CAN YOU TELL US, IS THERE
02:00:46.305 ANY OTHER WAY THIS HAS AFFECTED
02:00:46.939 YOUR LIFE?
02:00:48.374 >> UM, THE PRIMARY IMPACT WAS
02:00:52.444 IN THE INITIAL 4 YEARS AFTER
02:00:57.383 THE EVENT.
02:00:58.684 UM, I STRUGGLED ACADEMICALLY, I
02:01:01.854 STRUGGLED VERY MUCH IN CHAPEL
02:01:02.487 HILL IN COLLEGE WHEN I WAS 17
02:01:04.389 AND WENT OFF TO COLLEGE I HAD A
02:01:07.026 VERY HARD TIME, UM, MORE SO
02:01:08.127 THAN OTHERS.
02:01:10.730 FORMING NEW FRIENDSHIPS AND
02:01:12.665 ESPECIALLY FRIENDSHIPS WITH
02:01:13.232 BOYS.
02:01:17.870 AND I HAD ACADEMIC PROBLEMS .
02:01:25.077 >> WHAT WERE THE -- [INAUDIBLE]
02:01:29.382 WHEN -- WHEN WE SPOKE AND IT
02:01:31.150 BECAME VERY CLEAR HOW DEEPLY
02:01:32.017 YOU FELT ABOUT THIS, AND THE
02:01:35.888 NEED THAT YOU WANTED TO REMAIN
02:01:36.656 CONFIDENTIAL.
02:01:36.989 >> UM-HUM.
02:01:38.557 >> CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT
02:01:40.025 ABOUT THAT?
02:01:42.728 .
02:01:42.861 >> YES.
02:01:43.095 SO I WAS WATCHING CAREFULLY
02:01:45.997 THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER -- WELL,
02:01:49.969 MY OR NOT INTENT I JUST WANT TO
02:01:51.003 REMIND IS TO COMMUNICATE WITH
02:01:53.806 EVERYONE WHEN THERE WAS STILL A
02:01:55.007 LIST OF CANDIDATES WHO ALL
02:01:56.041 SEEMED TO BE JUST FROM MY
02:01:59.011 PERSPECTIVE FROM WHAT I COULD
02:02:01.714 READ EQUALLY QUALIFIED.
02:02:02.247 I WAS IN A HURRY TO TRY TO GET
02:02:05.451 THE INFORMATION FORWARD BUT
02:02:06.919 DIDN'T QUITE KNOW HOW TO DO
02:02:07.519 THAT.
02:02:07.920 HOWEVER, ONCEHE WAS SELECTED
02:02:11.056 AND SEEMED LIKE HE WAS POPULAR
02:02:13.559 AND A SURE VOTE, I WAS
02:02:14.059 CALCULATING DAILY THE RISK
02:02:16.328 BENEFIT FOR ME OF COMING
02:02:17.062 FORWARD.
02:02:20.065 AND WONDERING WHETHER I WOULD
02:02:23.035 JUST BE JUMPING IN FRONT OF A
02:02:25.237 TRAIN THAT WAS HEADED TO WHERE
02:02:25.871 IT WAS HEADED ANY WAY AND THAT
02:02:29.441 I WOULD JUST BE PERSONALLY --
02:02:30.643 >> HOW DID YOU DECIDE TO COME
02:02:31.277 FORWARD?
02:02:33.045 .
02:02:33.178 >> ULTIMATELY BECAUSE
02:02:35.614 REPORTERS WERE SITTING OUTSIDE
02:02:37.883 OF MY HOME TRYING TO TALK TO MY
02:02:40.920 DOG THROUGH THE WINDOW, UM TO
02:02:42.921 CALM THE DOG DOWN AND A
02:02:46.425 REPORTER APPEARED IN MY
02:02:47.126 GRADUATE CLASSROOM AND I
02:02:48.928 MISTOOK HER FOR A STUDENT.
02:02:50.229 AND SHE CAME UP TO ASK ME A
02:02:52.831 QUESTION, AND I THOUGHT THAT
02:02:54.900 SHE WAS A STUDENT.
02:02:55.333 AND IT TURNED OUTTHAT SHE WAS A
02:02:57.203 REPORTER.
02:02:59.972 SO AT THAT POINT I FELT LIKE
02:03:02.040 ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH.
02:03:04.076 PEOPLE WERE CALLING MY
02:03:06.979 COLLEAGUES AND LEAVING MESSAGES
02:03:08.647 ON THEIR VOICE MAILS AND EMAILS
02:03:11.416 SAY THEY KNEW MY NAME.
02:03:12.718 CLEARLYPEOPLE KNEW INTO ADDRESS
02:03:14.053 BECAUSE THEY WERE OUT IN FRONT
02:03:15.087 OF MY HOUSE AND THE MOUNTING
02:03:18.190 PRESSURE IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS
02:03:18.824 TIME TO JUST SAY WHAT I NEEDED
02:03:20.225 TO SAY.
02:03:20.459 >> I'M SORRY.
02:03:21.460 I WANT TO ASK YOU ONE QUESTION
02:03:25.898 ABOUT THE ATTACK ITSELF.
02:03:31.470 UM, YOU WERE VERY CLEAR ABOUT
02:03:33.806 THE ATTACK BEING PUSHED INTO
02:03:37.943 THE ROOM, YOU SAY YOU DON'T
02:03:39.978 KNOW QUITE BY WHOM.
02:03:42.515 BUT THAT IT WAS BRETT KAVANAUGH
02:03:44.583 THAT COVERED YOUR MOUTH TO
02:03:47.185 PREVENT YOU FROM SCREAMING, UM,
02:03:49.555 AND THEN YOU ESCAPED.
02:03:50.022 HOW AREYOU SO SURE THAT IT WAS
02:03:52.591 HE?
02:03:54.727 .
02:03:54.860 >> THE SAME WAY THAT I'M SURE
02:03:58.030 THAT I'M TALKING TO YOU RIGHT
02:04:00.466 NOW.
02:04:01.433 JUST BASIC MEMORYFUNCTIONS AND
02:04:02.100 ALSO JUST THE LEVEL OF -- IN
02:04:06.906 THE BRAIN THAT SORT OF AS YOU
02:04:10.008 KNOW ENCODES THAT NERVE
02:04:13.612 TRANSMITTERS ENCODES MEMORIES
02:04:15.581 AND SO THE TRAUMA RELATED
02:04:18.316 EXPERIENCE THEN IS KIND OF
02:04:19.351 LOCKED THERE WHEREAS OTHER
02:04:20.786 DETAILS KIND OF DRIFT.
02:04:23.289 >> SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS
02:04:26.224 THIS COULD NOT BE A CASE OF
02:04:26.791 MISTAKEN IDENTITY.
02:04:27.660 >> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
02:04:32.665 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:04:36.835 >> MISS MITCHEL FOR SENATOR
02:04:37.402 HATCH.
02:04:40.139 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:04:41.073 UM,WHEN WE WERE STOPPED YOU
02:04:43.074 WERE GOING TO TELL US A THIRD
02:04:45.711 CORRECTION THAT YOU WANTED TO
02:04:47.245 MAKE ON THAT STATEMENT.
02:04:50.316 -- OR I'M SORRY THE LETTER TO
02:04:51.449 SENATOR FINESTEIN.
02:04:53.719 >> IT WASN'T A CORRECTION, BUT
02:04:55.453 I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON IT
02:04:57.323 SINCE WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS
02:04:59.959 LETTER.
02:05:00.226 UM, THAT I DID SEE MARK JUDGE
02:05:03.495 ONCE AT THE SAFEWAY AFTER THE
02:05:05.096 TIME OF THE ATTACK.
02:05:05.597 >> UM-HUM.
02:05:07.633 >> AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL WITH
02:05:09.068 ANYONE'S RESOURCES TO FIGURE
02:05:09.668 OUT WHEN HE WORKED THERE IF
02:05:11.036 PEOPLE ARE WANTING MORE DETAILS
02:05:14.073 FROM ME ABOUT WHEN THE ATTACK
02:05:15.007 OCCURRED.
02:05:15.874 IF WE COULD FIND OUT WHEN HE
02:05:18.611 WORKED THERE THEN I COULD
02:05:19.144 PROVIDE A MORE DETAILED TIME
02:05:21.613 LINE AS TO WHEN THE ATTACK
02:05:22.281 OCCURRED.
02:05:23.315 >> OKAY.
02:05:25.951 [INAUDIBLE]
02:05:26.518 NOT A CORRECTION IN YOUR
02:05:27.051 STATEMENT.
02:05:28.954 >> IT'S JUST -- NO.
02:05:31.991 >> OKAY.
02:05:32.658 YOU ALSO WROTE OUT AHANDWRITTEN
02:05:34.860 STATEMENT FOR THE -- WHEN YOU
02:05:38.097 TOOK YOUR POLYGRAPH TEST THAT'S
02:05:39.798 CORRECT?
02:05:40.065 >> YES.
02:05:40.599 >> OKAY.
02:05:42.368 I SEE CORRECTIONS ON THAT WHERE
02:05:44.103 YOU CROSSED OUT SO I WILL GO
02:05:47.139 ONTO THE WASHINGTON POST
02:05:48.307 ARTICLE THAT WAS --
02:05:48.874 >> OKAY.
02:05:50.776 >> ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED ON
02:05:52.277 SEPTEMBER 16TH OF THIS YEAR.
02:05:54.312 >> AND SHOULD I JUST NOT LOOK
02:05:55.247 AT THIS FOR ACCURACY OR WE'RE
02:05:56.281 JUST GOING TO LEAVE THAT --
02:05:59.685 >> WE MAY COME BACK TO IT.
02:06:00.319 >> OKAY.
02:06:01.954 >> IF YOU NEED TO REFER TO IT.
02:06:03.088 >> OKAY.
02:06:06.291 >> ON THE WASHINGTON POST
02:06:07.359 ARTICLE DID YOU SUBMIT TO AN
02:06:09.361 INTERVIEW BY A REPORTER WITH
02:06:11.063 THE WASHINGTON POST FOR THAT
02:06:11.663 ARTICLE TO BE WRITTEN?
02:06:12.665 .
02:06:12.798 >> CORRECT.
02:06:13.732 >> OKAY.
02:06:14.132 .
02:06:18.904 >> AND THEN FINALLY, WAS THE
02:06:19.504 STATEMENT THAT YOU PROVIDED
02:06:20.305 THIS MORNING, I ASSUME THAT TO
02:06:23.074 THE BEST OF YOUR REX THAT THAT
02:06:24.576 WAS ACCURATE.
02:06:26.045 .
02:06:27.813 >> THAT THIS WHOLE ARTICLE IS
02:06:30.716 ACCURATE
02:06:30.982 >> NO, NO, THE STATEMENT YOU
02:06:31.750 MADE THIS MORNING.
02:06:32.351 >> YES.
02:06:33.552 >> OKAY.
02:06:33.852 I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE
02:06:37.990 DAY THAT THIS HAPPENED LEADING
02:06:38.623 UP TO THE GATHERING.
02:06:39.324 >> OKAY.
02:06:40.626 >> IN YOUR STATEMENT THIS
02:06:42.360 MORNING, HAVE YOU TOLD US
02:06:42.894 EVERYTHING THAT YOU REMEMBER
02:06:46.465 ABOUT THE DAY LEADING UP TO
02:06:47.032 THAT?
02:06:47.232 >> YES.
02:06:48.500 >> LET ME ASK JUST A FEW
02:06:49.835 QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT
02:06:53.172 YOU'VE THOUGHT OF EVERYTHING,
02:06:53.806 OKAY?
02:06:56.675 UM, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU WERE
02:06:59.011 AT THE COUNTRY CLUB SWIMMING
02:07:01.947 THAT DAY?
02:07:04.683 >> THAT'S MY BEST ESTIMATE OF
02:07:05.283 HOW THIS COULD HAVE HAPPENED.
02:07:07.186 >> OKAY.
02:07:07.453 UM, AND WHEN YOU SAYBEST
02:07:09.654 ESTIMATE, IS THAT BASED ON THE
02:07:11.390 FACT THAT YOU SAID YOU WENT
02:07:13.092 THERE PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY.
02:07:13.993 >> UM-HUM.
02:07:16.061 >> IS THAT A YES?
02:07:16.962 >> YES
02:07:18.330 >> OKAY.
02:07:18.597 DO YOU RECALL PRIOR TOGETTING
02:07:19.965 THERE -- SO I'M ONLY TALKING
02:07:22.767 ABOUT UP TO THE GATHERING.
02:07:23.435 >> OKAY.
02:07:25.370 >> HAVE YOU HAD ANYTHING TO
02:07:25.937 [INAUDIBLE].
02:07:29.074 >> NOT AT ALL.
02:07:29.441 >> WERE YOU ON ANY SORT OF
02:07:30.008 MEDICATION?
02:07:30.676 >> NONE.
02:07:31.777 >> DO YOU RECALL KNOWING BEFORE
02:07:33.378 YOU WENT WHO WAS GOING TO BE AT
02:07:36.315 THAT GATHERING?
02:07:38.550 >> I RECALL THAT EXPECTING
02:07:45.357 THAT MARK JUDGE AND LELAND
02:07:47.225 WOULD BE AT THAT GATHERING.
02:07:48.594 >> DO YOU RECALL AN EXPECTATION
02:07:50.095 THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH WOULD BE
02:07:50.696 THERE?
02:07:51.230 >> I DON'T RECALL WHETHER OR
02:07:52.097 NOT I EXPECTED THAT.
02:07:54.566 >> OKAY.
02:07:55.033 NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE
02:07:57.502 GATHERING UP FROM THE TIME YOU
02:07:59.371 ARRIVED UNTIL RIGHT WHEN YOU
02:08:02.040 WENT UP THE STAIRS, JUST THAT
02:08:03.275 PERIOD OF TIME, OKAY?
02:08:05.544 >> UM-HUM.
02:08:06.745 >> WHAT WAS THE ATMOSPHERE LIKE
02:08:08.514 AT THE GATHERING?
02:08:10.916 .
02:08:12.818 >> UM, MR. KAVANAUGH AND MR.
02:08:17.522 JUDGE WERE EXTREMELY -- THEY
02:08:19.191 HAD CLEARLY BEEN DRINKING PRIOR
02:08:20.058 AND THE OTHER PEOPLE AT THE
02:08:20.859 PARTY WERE NOT.
02:08:25.097 UM, THE LIVING ROOM --
02:08:27.766 >> CAN I ASK YOU TO FOLLOW-UP
02:08:29.568 WHEN YOU SAID IT WAS CLEAR THAT
02:08:30.936 THEY HAD BEEN DRINKING PRIOR DO
02:08:32.805 YOU MEAN PRIOR TO THE TIME
02:08:33.372 YOU'D GOTTEN THERE FOR PRIOR TO
02:08:35.073 THE TIME THAT THEY HAD ARRIVED?
02:08:37.342 >> PRIOR TO THE TIME THAT THEY
02:08:38.877 ARRIVED.
02:08:39.144 I DON'T RECALL WHOARRIVED FIRST
02:08:41.980 THOUGH, WHETHER IT WAS ME OR
02:08:43.015 THEM
02:08:45.384 >> OKAY.
02:08:47.019 PLEASE CONTINUE.
02:08:47.586 >> OKAY.
02:08:47.852 I RECALL -- I CANSKETCH A FLOOR
02:08:51.023 PLAN.
02:08:51.223 I RECALLTHAT IT WAS A SPARSELY
02:08:54.592 FURNISHED FAIRLY MODEST LIVING
02:08:55.226 ROOM AND IT WAS NOT REALLY A
02:08:56.761 PARTY.
02:08:58.597 LIKE THE NEWS HAS MADE IT
02:08:59.998 SOUND.
02:09:00.265 IT WAS NOT -- IT WAS JUST A
02:09:03.134 GATHERING THAT I ASSUMED WAS
02:09:06.905 GOING TO LEAD TO A PARTY LATER
02:09:10.909 ON THAT THOSE BOYS WOULD ATTEND
02:09:12.978 BECAUSE THEY ATTENDED TO HAVE
02:09:14.079 PARTIES LATER AT NIGHT THAN I
02:09:15.047 WAS ALLOWED TO STAY OUT.
02:09:16.781 SO IT WAS KIND OF A PRE-
02:09:17.749 GATHERING.
02:09:18.584 >> WAS IT LOUD?
02:09:21.854 >> NO, NOT IN THE LIVING ROOM.
02:09:24.389 >> OKAY.
02:09:26.124 [INAUDIBLE]
02:09:26.424 PLAYING INTHE BEDROOM, WAS
02:09:27.459 THERE ANY OTHER UM, MUSIC OR
02:09:31.029 TELEVISION OR ANYTHING LIKE
02:09:32.765 THAT THAT WAS ADDING --
02:09:33.564 >> NO.
02:09:35.834 >> OKAY.
02:09:38.103 SO THERE WASN'T ASTEREO PLAYING
02:09:38.904 DOWNSTAIRS?
02:09:39.204 >> NO.
02:09:41.506 >> SENATOR, DR. FORD THANK
02:09:43.976 YOU FOR BEING HERE.
02:09:46.078 MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW, THE WAY
02:09:50.082 TO MAKE THIS INQUIRY TRULY
02:09:52.050 CREDIBLE IS TO DO WHAT WE'VE
02:09:54.753 ALWAYS DONE WHEN NEW
02:09:55.220 INFORMATION ABOUT A NOMINEE
02:09:57.089 COMES TO LIGHT, TO USE YOUR
02:09:59.691 WORDS THIS MORNING, YOU WANT
02:10:02.327 TO REACH THE TRUTH, THE EASY
02:10:03.795 WAY TO DO THAT ASK THE FBI TO
02:10:05.230 INVESTIGATE IS WHAT WE'VE
02:10:06.565 ALWAYS DONE.
02:10:08.834 AFTER THEY INVESTIGATE REPORT
02:10:11.135 BACK TO US.
02:10:13.972 THE SAME APPLIES TOTHE SERIOUS
02:10:14.907 ALLEGATIONS MADE BY DEBRA
02:10:19.077 RAMIREZ.
02:10:19.344 LET'S HAVE ANON-PARTISAN
02:10:22.514 PROFESSIONAL INVESTIGATION AND
02:10:23.147 THEN TAKE THE TIME TO HAVE
02:10:24.583 THESE WITNESSES TESTIFY.
02:10:27.920 CHAIRMAN, YOU AND I WERE BOTH
02:10:33.058 HERE 27 YEARS AGO.
02:10:33.525 AT THAT TIME THE SENATE FAILED
02:10:38.096 ANITA HILL.
02:10:39.731 I'M CONCERNED WE'RE DOINGA LOT
02:10:42.935 LESS FOR THESE 3 WOMEN TODAY,
02:10:44.636 THAT'S MY PERSONAL VIEW.
02:10:46.271 DR. FORD, NO MATTER WHAT
02:10:47.272 HAPPENS AT THIS HEARING TODAY,
02:10:49.207 NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS
02:10:50.075 NOMINATION I KNOW AND I HEAR
02:10:52.511 FROM SO MANY FROM MY STATE OF
02:10:55.213 VERMONT THERE ARE MILLIONS OF
02:10:58.750 VICTIMS AND SURVIVORS OUT THERE
02:10:59.384 WHO HAVE BEEN INSPIRED BY YOUR
02:11:03.054 COURAGE.
02:11:05.857 I AM.
02:11:07.059 BRAVERY IS CONTAGIOUS.
02:11:07.526 INDEED THAT'S THE DRIVING FORCE
02:11:09.528 BEHIND THE ME TOO MOVEMENT.
02:11:10.862 YOUSHARING YOUR STORY IS GOING
02:11:11.496 TO HAVE A LASTING POSITIVE
02:11:14.099 IMPACT ON SO MANY SURVIVORS IN
02:11:14.832 OUR COUNTRY.
02:11:19.004 WE OWE YOU A DEBT OF GRATITUDE
02:11:23.241 FOR THAT, DOCTOR.
02:11:25.978 NOW, [INAUDIBLE]
02:11:28.480 MIXED UP ABOUT WHO ASSAULTED
02:11:31.349 YOU.
02:11:32.084 AND NOW [INAUDIBLE]
02:11:32.517 PLOTMODES A WILD THEORY ABOUT A
02:11:36.221 KAVANAUGH LOOK-ALIKE.
02:11:37.589 YOUIMMEDIATELY REJECT THAT HAD
02:11:38.223 THEORY.
02:11:42.227 AS DID THE INNOCENT MAN WHO HAD
02:11:45.397 BEEN CALLED THAT LOOKALIKE.
02:11:47.299 ALOT OF THIS COMMITTEE
02:11:51.036 FORCEFULLY REJECTED -- ASK
02:11:55.240 CONSENT TO ENTER THAT INTO THE
02:11:57.910 RECORD.
02:11:58.143 >> WITHOUT OBJECTION.
02:12:00.045 >> NOW, HOW DO YOU KNOW BRETT
02:12:01.713 KAVANAUGH AND MARK JUDGE, IS IT
02:12:03.115 POSSIBLE THAT YOU HAD MIXED
02:12:04.149 THEM UP WITH SOMEBODY ELSE?
02:12:06.551 >> NO, IT IS NOT.
02:12:07.185 AND THEPERSON THAT WAS BLAMED
02:12:08.586 FOR THE INCIDENT IS ACTUALLY
02:12:11.723 THE PERSON WHO INTRODUCED ME TO
02:12:12.891 THEM ORIGINALLY.
02:12:14.092 SO HE WAS A MEMBER OF COLUMBIA
02:12:17.429 COUNTRY CLUB AND I DON'T WANT
02:12:18.029 TO TALK ABOUT HIM BECAUSE I
02:12:19.064 THINK IT'S UNFAIR.
02:12:20.298 BUT HE IS THEPERSON THAT
02:12:22.834 INTRODUCED ME TO THEM.
02:12:24.169 >> BUT YOU -- YOU WOULD NOT
02:12:28.674 MIX-UP SOMEBODY ELSEWHERE BRETT
02:12:29.307 KAVANAUGH, IS THAT CORRECT?
02:12:29.875 >> CORRECT.
02:12:31.109 >> OR MARK JUDGE?
02:12:31.710 >> CORRECT.
02:12:32.010 >> WELL, THEN LET'S GO BACK
02:12:38.083 TO THE INCIDENT.
02:12:39.417 WHAT IS THE STRONGESTMEMORY YOU
02:12:42.921 HAVE, STRONGEST MEMORY OF THE
02:12:44.122 INCIDENT?
02:12:45.390 SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN NOT
02:12:46.791 FORGET.
02:12:47.024 TAKE WHATEVER TIME YOUNEED.
02:12:53.031 .
02:12:57.469 >> INDELIBLE -- IS THE
02:12:59.337 LAUGHTER, THE LAUGHTER BETWEEN
02:13:02.274 THE 2, AND THEIR HAVING FUN AT
02:13:04.976 MY EXPENSE.
02:13:07.980 .
02:13:09.448 >> YOU NEVER FORGOTTEN THAT
02:13:12.651 LAUGHTER, YOU NEVER FORGOTTEN
02:13:14.519 THEM LAUGHING AT YOU.
02:13:15.520 >> THEY WERE LAUGHING WITH EACH
02:13:16.354 OTHER.
02:13:17.522 .
02:13:19.057 >> AND YOU WERE THE OBJECT OF
02:13:19.991 THE LAUGHTER?
02:13:23.028 .
02:13:23.628 >>YEAH, I WAS [INAUDIBLE]
02:13:24.161 WHILE THE 2 LAUGHED.
02:13:26.932 2 FRIENDS HAVING A REALLY GOOD
02:13:28.934 TIME WITH ONE ANOTHER.
02:13:34.906 .
02:13:37.943 >> LET ME ENTER INTO THE RECORD
02:13:39.678 A STATEMENT BY THE NATIONAL
02:13:42.447 TASK FORCE TO END DOMESTIC
02:13:43.281 VIOLENCE WITHOUT OBJECTION SO
02:13:44.082 ORDERED.
02:13:44.983 >> A LETTER FROM 24 MEMBERS OF
02:13:47.418 THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
02:13:48.019 URGING THE COMMITTEE TO USE
02:13:52.491 THE TRAUMA -- APPROACH AND
02:13:53.625 QUESTION DR. FORD.
02:13:56.094 .
02:13:56.227 >> [INAUDIBLE].
02:13:58.796 >> A LETTER FROM ANOTHER 116
02:14:01.233 MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE ASKING TO
02:14:03.101 DELAY UNTIL ALL THIS HAS BEEN
02:14:03.968 HEARD.
02:14:06.138 >> WITHOUT OBJECTION SO
02:14:07.238 ORDERED.
02:14:09.741 >> AND DR. FORD, HAS AT TIMES
02:14:12.144 BEEN CRITICIZED FOR WHAT SHE
02:14:13.444 DOESN'T REMEMBER FROM 36 YEARS
02:14:14.078 AGO.
02:14:15.280 BUT WE HAVE NUMEROUS EXPERTS
02:14:18.917 INCLUDING A STUDY BY THE U.S.
02:14:20.085 ARMY MILITARY POLICE SCHOOL OF
02:14:23.054 BEHAVIOR SCIENCES EDUCATION
02:14:25.991 LAPSES OF MEMORY ARE WHOLLY
02:14:27.025 CONSISTENT WITH SEVERE TRAUMA
02:14:30.862 AND STRESS OF ASSAULT AND I'D
02:14:31.462 ASK THAT BE ENTERED.
02:14:32.898 >> WITHOUT OBJECTION SO
02:14:35.266 ORDERED.
02:14:36.301 >> AND DR. FORD JUST CONCLUDED
02:14:38.002 THIS, YOU DO REMEMBER WHAT
02:14:39.070 HAPPENED, DO YOU NOT?
02:14:40.439 >> VERY MUCH SO.
02:14:42.908 .
02:14:44.609 >> THANK YOU.
02:14:45.710 THANK YOU.
02:14:45.977 .
02:14:50.615 >> NOW, MK MITC HERBS ELL FOR
02:14:55.987 SENATOR -- I UNDERSTAND YOU
02:14:56.587 WANT TO TAKE A BREAK.
02:14:58.456 >> DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU AS
02:15:01.993 WELL?
02:15:03.428 >> WE'RE HERE TO ACCOMMODATE
02:15:04.195 YOU.
02:15:04.396 >> THANK YOU.
02:15:06.164 >> GO AHEAD.
02:15:06.798 .
02:15:08.900 >> THANK YOU.
02:15:12.304 UM, YOU TOLD SENATOR FINESTEIN
02:15:14.205 IN YOUR LETTER THAT YOU AND 4
02:15:15.907 OTHERS WERE PRESENT.
02:15:17.842 YOU'VE CORRECTED THAT TODAY TO
02:15:19.877 SAY IT WAS LEAST 4 OTHERS.
02:15:21.780 WHEN YOU WERE INTERVIEWED BY
02:15:25.350 THE WASHINGTON POST YOU SAID
02:15:26.084 THAT THERE WERE 4 BOYS PRESENT
02:15:26.718 AT THE PARTY.
02:15:29.321 UM, AND THEN IN YOUR POLYGRAPH
02:15:31.422 STATEMENT YOU SAY THERE WERE 4
02:15:33.091 BOYS AND 2 GIRLS.
02:15:35.160 WHEN YOU SAY 2 GIRLS, WAS THAT
02:15:37.996 YOU AND ANOTHER OR WAS THAT 2
02:15:38.930 OTHER GIRLS?
02:15:40.398 >> THAT WAS ME AND ONE OTHER
02:15:43.034 GIRL.
02:15:43.234 >> AND THAT OTHER GIRL'S NAME.
02:15:45.637 >> LEELAND.
02:15:50.642 >> LEELAND KAISER NOW?
02:15:52.677 >> CORRECT.
02:15:55.647 >> SO THEN WOULD IT BE FAIR TO
02:15:58.049 SAY LEAST P.J., BRETT
02:15:59.117 KAVANAUGH, MARK JUDGE, LEELAND
02:16:03.421 INGRAM AT THE TIME AND YOURSELF
02:16:06.758 WERE PRESENT AND POSSIBLY
02:16:07.291 OTHERS.
02:16:09.794 >> AND ONE OTHER BOY.
02:16:10.261 I JUSTDON'T KNOW THE NAME OF
02:16:11.496 THE OTHER BOY.
02:16:13.098 >> HAVE YOU BEEN CONTACTED BY
02:16:15.000 ANYBODY SAYING HEY, I WAS AT
02:16:15.734 THAT PARTY TOO?
02:16:17.435 >> NO, I HAVEN'T TALKED WITH
02:16:18.503 ANYONE FROM THAT PARTY
02:16:19.571 >> OKAY.
02:16:20.105 OKAY.
02:16:25.810 NOW, YOU'VE -- YOU'VE BEEN
02:16:26.978 DETAILED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
02:16:28.612 ONCE YOU GOT UP THE STAIRS.
02:16:30.681 AND SO I DON'T NEED TO GO
02:16:32.782 THROUGH THAT AGAIN.
02:16:34.052 I'MSORRY -- GO AHEAD.
02:16:36.353 >> I'M SORRY.
02:16:36.721 I JUST REALIZED ISAID SOMETHING
02:16:37.822 THAT WAS INACCURATE.
02:16:40.290 I SAID I HASN'TSPOKEN WITH
02:16:42.928 ANYONE FROM THE PARTY.
02:16:44.695 I'VE SPOKEN WITHLEELAND.
02:16:46.364 >> THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING
02:16:47.465 THAT.
02:16:49.100 I APPRECIATE THAT.
02:16:49.500 YOU GONE INTO DETAIL ABOUT WHAT
02:16:50.968 HAPPENED ONCE YOU WENT UP THE
02:16:52.070 STAIRS.
02:16:54.339 I DON'T FEEL IT'SNECESSARY TO
02:16:54.939 GO OVER THOSE THINGS AGAIN.
02:16:56.273 >> OKAY.
02:16:57.509 THANK YOU.
02:16:57.808 >> HAVE YOU TOLD US EVERYTHING
02:17:00.912 THAT YOU DO REMEMBER ABOUT IT?
02:17:02.714 >> I BELIEVE SO, BUT IF THERE
02:17:04.215 ARE OTHER QUESTIONS I CAN
02:17:05.483 ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THEM.
02:17:07.218 >> OKAY.
02:17:08.286 UM, YOU SAID THAT THEMUSIC WAS
02:17:11.589 SOCIALLY COMING FROM THAT ROOM
02:17:14.125 IS THAT CORRECT?
02:17:14.525 >> CORRECT.
02:17:16.527 >> OKAY.
02:17:16.794 AND IT WAS TURNED UPONCE THE 3
02:17:19.097 OF YOU WERE INSIDE THAT ROOM,
02:17:20.999 IS THAT CORRECT?
02:17:21.398 >> YES.
02:17:23.368 >> OKAY.
02:17:25.102 AT SOME POINT DO YOURECALL IT
02:17:26.004 BEING TURNED DOWN?
02:17:26.437 >> I DON'T REMEMBE IF IT WAS
02:17:27.806 TURNED DOWN ONCE I WAS LEAVING
02:17:29.707 THE HOUSE.
02:17:30.341 I DON'T REMEMBER.
02:17:30.741 >> OKAY.
02:17:31.743 >> LIKELY SINCE I COULD HEAR
02:17:33.878 THEM WALKING DOWN THE STAIRS
02:17:35.847 VERY CLEARLY FROM THE BATHROOM.
02:17:37.882 >> OKAY.
02:17:38.148 AND THE BATHROOM DOORWAS CLOSED
02:17:40.184 WHEN YOU HEARD THIS IS THAT
02:17:41.553 CORRECT?
02:17:41.818 >> I COULD HEAR THEM CLEARLY
02:17:43.421 HITTING THE WALLS GOING DOWN
02:17:44.022 THE STAIRWELL
02:17:45.757 >> OKAY.
02:17:46.758 IN FACT, IN YOURLETTER YOU SAID
02:17:47.392 THAT THEY WENT DOWN THE STAIRS
02:17:50.128 AND THEY WERE TALKING WITH
02:17:53.198 OTHER PEOPLE --
02:17:53.565 >> UM-HUM.
02:17:54.799 >> IN THE HOUSE?
02:17:55.799 >> CORRECT.
02:17:57.902 >> WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR THAT
02:17:58.702 CONVERSATION?
02:17:59.704 >> I WAS NOT ABLE TO HEAR THE
02:18:02.073 CONVERSATION BUT AWARE THEY
02:18:02.673 WERE DOWNSTAIRS AND I HAD TO
02:18:03.374 WALK PAST THEM TO GET OUT OF
02:18:05.409 THE HOUSE.
02:18:06.644 >> OKAY.
02:18:07.178 NOW, LET ME MAKE SUREWE'RE ON
02:18:09.981 THE SAME PAGE, WERE YOU NOT
02:18:10.548 ABLE TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION
02:18:11.514 OR NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE
02:18:13.151 CONVERSATION?
02:18:13.484 >> I COULDN'T HEAR THE
02:18:14.886 CONVERSATION.
02:18:15.218 I WAS UPSTAIRS.
02:18:16.187 >> OKAY.
02:18:16.454 HOW DO YOU KNOW THEREWAS A
02:18:17.555 CONVERSATION?
02:18:19.224 >> I'M JUST ASSUMING SINCE IT
02:18:21.526 WAS A SOCIAL GATHERING.
02:18:23.326 PEOPLEWERE TALKING.
02:18:24.529 I DON'T KNOW.
02:18:24.861 >> OKAY --
02:18:26.598 >> I HEARD THEM TALKING AS I
02:18:28.967 WENT DOWN THE STAIRWELL.
02:18:29.799 THEYWERE LAUGHING.
02:18:32.003 >> OKAY.
02:18:32.269 IN YOUR LETTER YOUWROTE BOTH
02:18:34.906 LOUDED STUMBLED DOWN THE
02:18:35.739 STAIRWELL AT WHICH POINT OTHER
02:18:37.742 PERSONS AT THE HOUSE WERE
02:18:38.877 TALKING WITH THEM.
02:18:39.309 DOES THATRING A BELL?
02:18:41.779 >> YES, I HAD TO WALK PAST
02:18:43.615 EVERYONE TO LEAVE THE HOUSE SO
02:18:44.415 --
02:18:45.549 >> OKAY.
02:18:48.286 YOUR LETTER --
02:18:49.888 >> I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, I'M
02:18:50.522 SORRY.
02:18:52.590 >> OKAY.
02:18:52.857 YOUR NEXT SENTENCE --LET ME TRY
02:18:55.459 AND CLARIFY.
02:18:56.127 AFTERYOU SAID OTHER PERSONS IN
02:18:58.028 THE HOUSE WERE TALKING WITH
02:18:59.030 THEM THE LETTER GOES ON THE
02:19:01.099 VERY NEXT SENTENCE I EXITED THE
02:19:02.133 BATHROOM, RAN OUTSIDE THE HOUSE
02:19:04.102 AND WENT HOME.
02:19:04.502 >> CORRECT.
02:19:05.170 >> OKAY.
02:19:09.073 YOU SAID THAT YOU DO NOT
02:19:10.941 REMEMBER HOW YOU GOT HOME IS
02:19:11.541 THAT CORRECT?
02:19:13.111 >> I DO NOT REMEMBER.
02:19:13.945 >> OKAY.
02:19:15.447 >> OTHER THAN I DID NOT DRIVE
02:19:17.449 HOME.
02:19:17.648 >> OKAY.
02:19:17.915 I'M GOING TO SHOW YOUIF
02:19:19.384 SOMEBODY CAN PROVIDE TO YOU A
02:19:20.885 MAP OF THE VARIOUS PEOPLE'S
02:19:24.189 HOUSES AT THE TIME.
02:19:24.621 AND IF YOUCOULD VERIFY THAT
02:19:27.025 THIS IS WHERE YOU WERE LIVING
02:19:27.992 AT THE TIME.
02:19:30.061 .
02:19:30.193 >> WHERE I WAS LIVING AT THE
02:19:30.795 TIME?
02:19:31.763 >> YES.
02:19:33.031 .
02:19:33.164 >> OKAY.
02:19:41.673 OKAY.
02:19:41.873 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, DO WE HAVE A
02:19:43.207 COPY OF THESE DOCMENTS?
02:19:45.376 >> YOU DO NOT HAVE A COPY.
02:19:46.878 IFYOU WANT ONE WE CAN GET YOU
02:19:49.380 ONE.
02:19:49.580 >> YES, BEFORE THE QUESTIONS
02:19:50.448 BEGIN SO WE CAN FOLLOW THE
02:19:51.015 TESTIMONY.
02:19:52.750 >> OKAY.
02:19:53.918 MY STAFF SAYS WESHOULD NOT
02:19:54.919 PROVIDE THE COPY.
02:19:57.355 >> NO, WE WILL PROVIDE THE
02:19:58.957 COPY.
02:19:59.290 >>WELL, SPEAK PLAINLY WITH ME,
02:19:59.924 PLEASE.
02:20:00.925 >> SURE I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT
02:20:01.926 SHE'S LOOKING AT.
02:20:05.797 .
02:20:07.065 >> YOU HAVE ANOTHER 30 SECONDS
02:20:09.000 NOW BECAUSE I WAS RUDELY
02:20:09.767 INTERRUPTED.
02:20:10.100 >> OKAY.
02:20:14.439 MR. CHAIRMAN, SENATOR HARRIS,
02:20:16.273 WE DO HAVE A BLOWN UP COPY OF
02:20:18.643 THIS FOR THE MEMBERS TO VIEW.
02:20:20.211 IF THAT'S HELPFUL.
02:20:22.380 >> OKAY.
02:20:23.014 I'M GOING TO PUT CHECKMARKS
02:20:24.882 NEXT TO HOMES THAT I CAN
02:20:27.051 CONFIRM ARE THE CORRECT
02:20:28.720 LOCATIONS AND THEN AN X OR A
02:20:32.056 QUESTION MARK WHEN I DON'T KNOW
02:20:33.458 WHERE THESE PEOPLE LIVE.
02:20:35.292 >> I'M ONLY ASKING YOU TO
02:20:38.897 CONFIRM IF THAT MAP ACCURATELY
02:20:39.531 CONFIRMS WHERE YOU WERE LIVING.
02:20:41.199 >> I CAN'T SEE THE STREET NAME
02:20:42.767 BUT HAPPY TO REFER TO THE
02:20:43.301 ADDRESS.
02:20:45.870 >> COULD, COW TELL US THAT?
02:20:48.106 >> YES, RIVER FALLS.
02:20:49.106 >> OKAY.
02:20:51.876 >> NEAR THE LIKE -- WHAT IS THE
02:20:55.680 PLACE CALLED, THE NAVAL
02:20:56.180 RESEARCH CENTER.
02:20:57.582 >> OKAY.
02:20:58.115 WAS THAT A HOUSE OR AN
02:20:59.283 APARTMENT?
02:21:00.618 >> IT WAS MY PARENTS'S HOME.
02:21:02.787 >> OKAY.
02:21:07.058 .
02:21:08.927 >> -- LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR
02:21:11.963 DR. FORD FROM HER CLASSMATES.
02:21:13.932 1,200 ALUMNI OF THE SCHOOL, 195
02:21:18.903 OF YOUR COLLEAGUE STUDENTS AND
02:21:20.104 MENTORS 1,400 WOMEN AND MEN WHO
02:21:23.007 ATTENDED D.C. SCHOOLS AND 50
02:21:26.110 MEMBERS OF THE YALE SCHOOL
02:21:28.780 CALLING FOR A FULL FBI
02:21:30.915 INVESTIGATION.
02:21:32.050 >> WITHOUT OBJECTION SO
02:21:32.550 ORDERED.
02:21:35.219 >> DR. FORD AS DIFFICULT AS
02:21:37.054 THIS EXPERIENCE MUST BE I WANT
02:21:38.122 YOU TO KNOW THAT YOUR COURAGE
02:21:41.893 IN COMING FORWARD HAS GIVEN
02:21:43.027 COUNTLESS AMERICAN -- BEGIN TO
02:21:44.329 HEAL THEIR WOUNDS.
02:21:45.896 BY EXAMPLE, YOU HAVEBROUGHT
02:21:47.732 MANY FAMILIES INTO AN HONEST
02:21:49.800 AND SOMETIMES PAINFUL DIALOGUE
02:21:50.634 THAT SHOULD HAVE OCCURRED A
02:21:52.003 LONG TIME AGO.
02:21:53.004 I'MSORRY FOR WHAT THIS HAS DONE
02:21:55.205 TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
02:21:56.374 NO ONE, NOONE SHOULD FACE
02:21:59.010 HARASSMENT DEATH THREATS AND
02:22:02.013 DISPARAGING COMMENTS BY CHEAP
02:22:03.046 SHOT POLITICIANS SIMPLY FOR
02:22:05.749 TELLING THE TRUTH.
02:22:07.018 YOU ANDYOUR FAMILY SHOULD KNOW
02:22:08.119 FOR EVERY CHARGE AND PATHETIC
02:22:11.055 TWEET THERE HAVE BEEN THOUSANDS
02:22:13.224 OF AMERICANS WOMEN AND MEN WHO
02:22:14.892 BELIEVE YOU, SUPPORT YOU AND
02:22:16.961 THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE.
02:22:19.430 WATCHING YOUR EXPERIENCE IT'S
02:22:20.264 NO WONDER THAT MANY SEXUAL
02:22:23.034 ASSAULT SURVIVORS HIDE THEIR
02:22:24.769 PAST AND SPEND THEIR LIVES
02:22:26.137 SUFFERING IN PAIN AND SILENCE.
02:22:27.005 YOU HADABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO
02:22:29.607 GAIN BY BRINGING THESE FACTS TO
02:22:30.608 THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
02:22:31.242 THEFACT THAT YOU'RE TESTIFYING
02:22:33.411 HERE TODAY TERRIFIED THOUGH
02:22:34.745 YOU MAY BE, THE FACT THAT
02:22:38.583 YOU HAVE CALLED FOR AN FBI
02:22:39.316 INVESTIGATION OF THIS
02:22:41.686 INCIDENT, THE FACT THAT YOU ARE
02:22:42.820 PREPARED TO NAME BOTH JUDGE
02:22:46.324 KAVANAUGH AND EYEWITNESS MARK
02:22:47.792 JUDGE STANDS IN SHARP CONTRAST
02:22:49.827 TO THE OBSTRUCTION WE'VE SEEN
02:22:50.428 ON THE OTHER SIDE.
02:22:51.963 THE FBI SHOULDHAVE INVESTIGATED
02:22:54.966 YOUR CHRGES AS THEY DID IN THE
02:22:56.400 ANITA HILL HEARING BUT THEY DID
02:22:58.703 NOT.
02:23:00.972 MARK JUDGE SHOULD BE SUBPOENAED
02:23:03.341 FROM HIS BEACH HIDE AWAY
02:23:04.975 [INAUDIBLE]
02:23:05.276 TESTIFY UNDER OATH [INAUDIBLE]
02:23:07.044 HE HAS NOT.
02:23:09.380 JUDGE KAVANAUGH, IF HE TRULY
02:23:12.717 BELIEVES THERE'S NO EVIDENCE,
02:23:13.317 NO WITNESSES THAT CAN PROVE
02:23:14.685 YOUR CASE SHOULD BE JOINING US
02:23:17.956 AND DEMAND AGO THOROUGH FBI
02:23:18.790 INVESTIGATION, BUT HE HAS NOT.
02:23:22.160 TODAY COMING BEFORE THIS
02:23:23.895 COMMITTEE AND BEFORE THIS
02:23:24.495 NATION ALONE.
02:23:25.697 I KNOW YOU'RE JOINED BY COUNSEL
02:23:27.198 AND FAMILY.
02:23:28.666 THE PROSECUTOR ON THE
02:23:31.035 REPUBLICAN SIDE WILL CONTINUE
02:23:32.303 TO ASK QUESTIONS TO TEST YOUR
02:23:35.006 MEMORY AND VERACITY.
02:23:38.042 AFTER SPENDINGDECADES TRYING TO
02:23:38.910 FORGET THAT AWFUL NIGHT IT'S NO
02:23:43.847 WONDER YOUR REX IS LESS THAN
02:23:47.117 PERFECT.
02:23:47.384 ATRAUMA SURVIVOR CANNOT BE
02:23:49.487 EXPECTED TO REMEMBER EVERY
02:23:50.321 PAINFUL DETAIL.
02:24:05.069 .
02:24:07.071 >>> [INAUDIBLE]
02:24:08.339 ANY KIND WITH DR. FORD.
02:24:10.742 I'M NOT QUESTIONINGTHAT DR.
02:24:11.309 FORD MAY HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY
02:24:12.209 ASSAULTED BY SOME PERSON IN
02:24:14.111 SOME PLACE AT SOME TIME.
02:24:15.947 LAST NIGHT THE REPUBLICAN STAFF
02:24:18.850 OF THIS COMMITTEE RELEASED TO
02:24:21.185 THE MEDIA A TIME LINE THAT
02:24:21.785 SHOWS THAT THEY INTERVIEWED 2
02:24:24.822 PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THEY WERE THE
02:24:26.523 ONES WHO ACTUALLY ASSAULTED
02:24:27.391 YOU.
02:24:28.493 I'M ASKING YOU TO ADDRESS THIS
02:24:30.928 NEW DEFENSE OF MISTAKEN
02:24:31.429 IDENTITY DIRECTLY.
02:24:37.101 DR. FORD, WITH WHAT DEGREE OF
02:24:38.836 CERTAINTY DO YOU BELIEVE BRETT
02:24:40.271 KAVANAUGH ASSAULTED YOU?
02:24:41.973 >> 100%.
02:24:44.809 >> 100%.
02:24:45.076 IN THE LETTER IN WHICHYOU SENT
02:24:47.011 TO SENATOR FINESTEIN YOU WROTE
02:24:49.246 I HAVE NOT KNOWLY SEEN
02:24:50.515 KAVANAUGH SINCE THE ASSAULT, I
02:24:53.017 DID SEE MARK JUDGE ONCE AT THE
02:24:56.054 VILLAGE SAFEWAY WHERE HE WAS
02:24:57.722 EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE IN
02:24:59.457 SEEING ME.
02:25:00.858 WOULD YOU PLEASEDESCRIBE THAT
02:25:02.093 ENCOUNTER AT THE SAFEWAY WITH
02:25:05.930 MARK JUDGE AND WHAT LED YOU TO
02:25:06.563 BELIEVE HE WAS UNCOMFORTABLE?
02:25:08.399 >> YES, HE WAS GOING TO THE
02:25:11.536 VILLAGE SAFEWAY ON THE CORNER
02:25:13.070 OF FALLS AND RIVER ROAD.
02:25:14.138 I WASWITH MY MOTHER.
02:25:14.905 AND I WAS A TEENAGER SO I
02:25:19.110 WANTED HER TO GO IN ONE DOOR
02:25:20.044 AND ME GO IN THE OTHER.
02:25:21.178 SO, UM, I CHOOSE THE WRONG
02:25:23.447 DOOR BECAUSE THE DOOR I CHOOSE
02:25:25.082 WAS THE ONE WHERE MARK JUDGE
02:25:27.251 WAS LOOKED LIKE HE WAS WORKING
02:25:29.386 THERE.
02:25:30.888 AND ARRANGING THE SHOPPING
02:25:34.258 CARTS.
02:25:34.659 AND I SAID HELLO TO HIM.
02:25:39.597 AND HIS FACE WAS WHITE.
02:25:43.467 AND VERY UNCOMFORTABLE SAYING
02:25:44.668 HELLO BACK.
02:25:48.039 AND WE HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN
02:25:51.242 FRIENDLY AT THE TIMES THAT WE
02:25:53.844 SAW EACH OTHER OVER THE
02:25:56.214 PREVIOUS 2 YEARS ALBEIT NOT
02:25:57.615 MANY TIMES WE HAD ALWAYS BEEN
02:25:59.417 FRIENDLY WITH ONE ANOTHER.
02:26:01.051 UM,I WOULDN'T CHARACTERIZE HIM
02:26:02.153 AS NOT FRIENDLY.
02:26:04.522 HE WAS JUSTNERVOUS AND NOT
02:26:06.924 REALLY WANTING TO SPEAK WITH
02:26:07.858 ME.
02:26:08.025 HE LOOKED ALITTLE BIT ILL.
02:26:10.027 >> HOW LONG DID THIS OCCUR
02:26:11.128 AFTER THE INCIDENT?
02:26:12.430 >> I WOULD ESTIMATE 6 TO 8
02:26:13.797 WEEKS.
02:26:15.599 .
02:26:17.168 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:26:20.271 >> BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK, I
02:26:22.806 CAN'T LET WHAT THE SENATOR
02:26:23.374 SAID, BY THE WAY, HE'S INTO
02:26:26.243 FRIEND AND WE WORK ON A LOT OF
02:26:27.144 LEGISLATION TOGETHER.
02:26:28.478 BUT YOU TALKED ABOUTTHE
02:26:31.115 OBSTRUCTION FROM THE OTHER
02:26:32.416 SIDE.
02:26:33.117 I CANNOT LET IT GO BY, WHAT
02:26:35.486 YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY SO MANY
02:26:38.155 TIMES THAT BETWEEN JULY 30TH
02:26:38.755 AND SEPTEMBER 13TH, THERE WERE
02:26:41.392 45 DAYS THIS COMMITTEE COULD
02:26:42.660 HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATING THIS
02:26:44.061 SITUATION.
02:26:45.663 AND HER PRIVACY WOULD HAVE BEEN
02:26:47.197 PROTECTED.
02:26:50.701 SO SOMETHING HAPPENED HERE IN
02:26:53.004 BETWEEN ON YOUR SIDE THAT THE
02:26:55.640 WHOLE COUNTRY -- WELL NOT THE
02:26:56.540 WHOLE COUNTRY SHOULD HAVE BEEN
02:26:59.109 -- NO, NOT KNOW ABOUT.
02:26:59.609 WESHOULD HAVE INVESTIGATED IT.
02:27:02.013 WE'LL TAKE A BREAK NOW FOR 15
02:27:02.647 MINUTES.
02:27:17.662 .
02:27:19.297 >> YOU'VE BEEN LISTENING TO
02:27:21.899 DRAMATIC TESTIMONY ON CAPITOL
02:27:22.633 HILL AS DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY
02:27:24.135 FORD TESTIFIES BEFORE THE
02:27:24.735 SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
02:27:27.405 IT'S BEEN ABOUT AN HOUR AND A
02:27:30.975 HALF THAT THIS HEARING HAS
02:27:31.542 TAKEN PLACE.
02:27:34.979 AND THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS TO
02:27:38.049 UNWRAP HERE ABOUT WHAT SHE HAS
02:27:38.916 SO FAR SAID AND ABOUT THE
02:27:39.850 QUESTIONS THAT SHE'S BEING
02:27:41.952 ASKED, AND ABOUT HER
02:27:44.088 RECOLLECTION OF THE NIGHT THAT
02:27:45.523 SHE SAYS THAT SUPREME COURT
02:27:47.190 JUSTICE NOMINEE BRETT KAVANAUGH
02:27:50.461 ASSAULTED HER.
02:27:51.062 WE'RE HERE ATTHE TABLE, AND YOU
02:27:52.796 KNOW, GUYS, THE FIRST THING
02:27:55.066 THAT I THOUGHT OF AS I WAS
02:27:59.103 LISTENING TO DR. FORD IS I'M
02:27:59.703 NOT SO SURE THAT IF YOU ARE A
02:28:02.807 REPUBLICAN, THAT THIS IS --
02:28:04.275 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OPTICS
02:28:04.909 HERE.
02:28:05.109 >> YEAH.
02:28:06.811 >> AS YOU LISTEN TO DR. FORD
02:28:07.411 AND LISTEN TO WHAT SHE HAS TO
02:28:10.447 SAY, AND THAT COMES FROM THE
02:28:11.649 QUESTIONS THAT RACHEL MITCHEL
02:28:15.452 IS ASKING AND QUESTIONS THAT
02:28:18.256 THE DEMOCRATS ARE ASKING, IT IS
02:28:18.923 ABSOLUTELY HEART BREAKING TO
02:28:20.824 HEAR HER SAY THAT THE MOST
02:28:23.160 SERVING MEMORY THAT SHE STILL
02:28:26.330 HAS FROM THE NIGHT SHE ALLEGES
02:28:27.398 BRETT KAVANAUGH ASSAULTED HER
02:28:30.934 WAS THE LAUGHTER.
02:28:31.335 WHEN SENATORFINESTEIN ASKED HER
02:28:34.005 SHE BASICALLY SAID BASIC MEMORY
02:28:35.673 FUNCTION, I REMEMBER THAT
02:28:36.206 NIGHT.
02:28:39.977 >> AND SHE'S A PSYCHOLOGY
02:28:41.678 PROFESSOR.
02:28:42.246 AND SHE WAS 15 ATTHE TIME.
02:28:42.813 I THINK WE NEED TOREMEMBER THAT
02:28:44.048 AS WELL.
02:28:44.314 BECAUSEWE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
02:28:47.018 THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF WELL,
02:28:49.587 THIS WAS 35 YEARS AGO.
02:28:50.187 THINK WHEN YOU'REA 15-YEAR OLD
02:28:53.290 GIRL, WHAT THAT KIND OF MEMORY
02:28:53.924 AND THAT KIND OF -- IDEA THAT
02:28:56.260 THERE WAS LAUGHTER, WHAT THAT
02:28:59.030 CAN DO TO A PERSON.
02:29:00.297 AND SHE WAS ASKED, KINDOF WHAT
02:29:02.433 WERE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOU
02:29:06.837 IN YOUR LIFE.
02:29:07.170 SHETALKED ABOUT ANXIETY, PTSD,
02:29:10.841 PANIC, THE INITIAL 4 YEARS
02:29:11.408 AFTER THIS WHILE SHE WAS A
02:29:11.975 STUDENT IN COLLEGE.
02:29:15.111 SHE STRUGGLEDACADEMICALLY AND
02:29:16.881 ALSO SAID SPEAKING TO THE
02:29:19.016 QUESTION THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS
02:29:20.151 RAISED ABOUT WHY DIDN'T YOU
02:29:23.020 TALK ABOUT THIS EARLIER, WHY
02:29:25.222 DIDN'T YOU COME FORWARD AT THE
02:29:25.855 TIME.
02:29:26.190 SHE TALKEDABOUT THE WAY IN
02:29:27.157 WHICH SHE DIDN'T WANT TO TELL
02:29:30.394 HER PARENTS SHE WAS AT A PARTY
02:29:31.128 WHERE THERE HAS BEEN DRINKING.
02:29:32.663 >> THERE WAS A QUESTIONTHERE
02:29:34.098 -- THE SENATOR IS MAKING HIS
02:29:37.768 WAY OUT OF THE BRIEFING ROOM
02:29:38.368 WITH OTHER SENATORS AND I
02:29:38.935 DIDN'T HEAR WHAT THE QUESTION
02:29:41.305 WAS AND WHAT HE RESPONDED.
02:29:43.007 WE'REKEEPING AN EYE OUT ON
02:29:44.208 THAT.
02:29:45.543 YOU'RE RIGHT, AND YOU KNOW,
02:29:48.479 THIS -- THIS ISN'T A PARTISAN
02:29:49.079 ISSUE.
02:29:49.547 THIS IS CLEARLY A WOMANWHO
02:29:50.114 APPEARS TO HAVE SUFFERED
02:29:53.283 SOMETHING HONORABLE 36 YEARS
02:29:54.919 AGO AND IS BEING ASKED TO
02:29:55.952 RECOUNT THAT.
02:29:56.286 >>YEAH.
02:29:57.354 >> IN FRONT OF A ROOM FULL OF
02:29:58.956 PEOPLE.
02:30:01.058 >> YOU KNOW, AS I WAS WATCHING
02:30:04.061 RACHEL MITCHELL WHICH WE KNOW
02:30:06.297 HER JOB IS SORT OF A TOUGH ONE.
02:30:09.100 I THOUGHT SHE'S PERFORMING AS
02:30:10.501 BEST SHE CAN UNDER THE
02:30:11.669 CIRCUMSTANCES.
02:30:13.370 TALK ABOUT THEOPTICS, WHAT I
02:30:14.138 KEPT ON THINKING IS WHY DOES
02:30:15.105 THIS WOMAN HAVE TO DO THIS?
02:30:17.742 I THOUGHT INITIALLYGOING INTO
02:30:18.909 THIS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE
02:30:20.044 OPTICS WOULD BE THE
02:30:20.644 REPUBLICANS, THEY HAD TO BRING
02:30:22.479 THIS WOMAN BECAUSE THEY
02:30:23.113 COULDN'T DO IT ON THEIR OWN.
02:30:25.616 NOW, IT'SSORT OF LIKE THE
02:30:26.149 ENTIRE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, WHY
02:30:29.120 DOES SHE HAVE -- IT'S CLEAR
02:30:31.055 THAT IT'S PAINFUL.
02:30:31.588 UM -- AND SHE'S COMINGACROSS TO
02:30:37.228 ME, AS CREDIBLE, SHE'S
02:30:38.729 REMEMBERING THESE DETAILS, AND
02:30:40.097 IT JUST DOESN'T -- I DON'T KNOW
02:30:43.433 WHAT WE'RE GAINING FROM ANOTHER
02:30:44.402 SEVERAL HOURS OF THIS.
02:30:48.239 >> COULD IT BE THAT RACHEL
02:30:50.107 MITCHELL -- THE CONTRAST
02:30:50.640 BETWEEN THE QUESTIONS THAT
02:30:54.812 DEMOCRATS ARE ASKING, WHICH
02:30:55.379 LET'S FACE IT, ARE ELICIT AGO
02:30:58.916 RESPONSE WHICH IS LENDING FOR A
02:30:59.616 LOT OF PEOPLE -- IF YOU'RE
02:31:02.053 FOLLOWING ALONG ON SOCIAL MEDIA
02:31:02.920 TO DR. FORD'S CREDIBILITY
02:31:06.490 WHEREAS THE -- RACHEL MITCHELL
02:31:08.125 SEEMS TO BE [INAUDIBLE]
02:31:09.126 IN AN EFFORT -- I DON'T KNOW
02:31:10.927 WHAT TO SORT OF BLEND -- TO
02:31:14.198 SORT OF THROW DOUBT IN THE --
02:31:17.268 THE QUESTION, UM, OR THE MEMORY
02:31:17.902 THAT SHE SAYS HAPPENED THAT
02:31:19.936 NIGHT?
02:31:20.170 I MEAN --
02:31:21.572 >> FIRST OF ALL IT FEELS LIKE A
02:31:22.205 TRIAL.
02:31:23.607 >> UM-HUM.
02:31:26.110 >> SHE'S CROSS EXAMINING.
02:31:27.678 >> CROSS EXAMINATION.
02:31:32.149 >> I THINK WHAT MITCHELL IS
02:31:34.318 DOING -- [INAUDIBLE]
02:31:35.219 FORD FEEL COMFORTABLE SETTING
02:31:36.787 PARAMETERS AND SETTING
02:31:37.955 GUIDELINES FOR HOW TO RESPOND
02:31:38.555 TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS
02:31:39.122 ACCURATE AND OF COURSE THIS IS
02:31:41.025 ALL GOING ON THE RECORD AND IS
02:31:42.826 UNDER OATH, WHAT I THINK SHE'S
02:31:45.429 TRYING TO DO IS KIND OF
02:31:45.929 ESTABLISH THE BASIC FACTS OF
02:31:47.831 THE CASE HERE.
02:31:51.835 UM, AND IT IS AN AWKWARD FORMAT
02:31:53.770 BECAUSE SHE'S GIVEN 5 MINUTES
02:31:55.072 TO DO SO AND THEN SHIFT TO THE
02:31:58.175 DEMOCRATIC SIDE SO THEY CAN ASK
02:31:59.009 QUESTIONS.
02:31:59.309 I'MWONDERING IF SHE WERE
02:32:01.512 ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, MORE TIME TO
02:32:02.146 ESTABLISH THESE FACTS AND DO
02:32:06.684 THESE -- CONDUCT THIS LINE OF
02:32:07.284 QUESTIONS THAT SHE HAS AROUND
02:32:10.687 BASIC FACTS OF THE CASE AND
02:32:11.288 THEN GO TO THE OTHER QUESTIONS,
02:32:13.557 IT'S AN AWKWARD FORMAT.
02:32:15.759 >> IT'S WEIRD BECAUSE YOU'RE
02:32:16.560 CROSS EXAMINING.
02:32:17.962 >> BACK AND FORTH, BACK INTO
02:32:20.564 THAT MEMORY, BACK INTO NOW AND
02:32:21.698 WHAT THIS ALL MEANS.
02:32:23.667 >> THE DEMOCRATS ARE ON A
02:32:25.469 DIFFERENT ADEPEND IT.
02:32:26.236 FOR THEMTHE FACTS ARE WHAT SHE
02:32:27.304 SAYS.
02:32:27.871 >> RIGHT.
02:32:29.373 >> AND FINE WITH WHAT SHE'S
02:32:29.940 PRESENTED.
02:32:30.240 >> RIGHT.
02:32:31.875 >> SO THEY'RE TRYING TO SORT OF
02:32:33.477 CREATE SORT OF A DIFFERENT --
02:32:38.048 NOT A DIFFERENT NARRATIVE BUT
02:32:40.050 TRYING TO FLESH OUT THE IMPACT
02:32:40.684 OF THIS.
02:32:40.951 >> RIGHT.
02:32:42.453 >> THEN YOU HAVE THIS FACT
02:32:43.887 FINDING MISSION, WELL THEN,
02:32:44.521 WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN?
02:32:47.057 WELL, WEDON'T KNOW WHAT THE
02:32:49.994 ENTIRE NARRATIVE IS BECAUSE WE
02:32:50.628 HAVEN'T FINISHED THE FACT
02:32:53.330 FINDING PART.
02:32:53.663 IT'S VERY ODD.
02:32:55.432 >> IT'S WHAT WE SAID, RIGHT, A
02:32:56.500 CROSS EXAMINATION WHICH SOUNDS
02:32:59.270 AS IF YOU'RE PUTTING A VICTIM
02:33:00.337 OF SEXUAL ASSAULT ON TRIAL.
02:33:02.039 >> RIGHT.
02:33:02.640 >> AND THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY
02:33:03.407 A GOOD LOOK.
02:33:06.777 LET'S PLAY A LITTLEBIT --
02:33:07.310 [INAUDIBLE]
02:33:07.611 PLAY OUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE
02:33:09.212 LAST HALF HOUR OR SO.
02:33:11.048 SOUND BITE NUMBER 3. ITTAKES
02:33:13.250 US BACK TO THE NIGHT THAT DR.
02:33:14.585 FORD SAYS BRETT KAVANAUGH AND
02:33:16.019 MARK JUDGE UM, -- WHERE SHE
02:33:20.190 FOUND HERSELF IN THIS ROOM WITH
02:33:22.927 THESE 2 MEN.
02:33:24.395 I WANT TO PLAY THAT.
02:33:26.897 >> HE GROPED ME AND TRIED TO
02:33:30.968 TAKE OFF MY CLOTHES.
02:33:31.435 HE HAD AHARD TIME BECAUSE HE
02:33:34.804 WAS -- AND I WAS WEARING A ONE
02:33:35.438 PIECE BATHING SUIT UNDERNEATH
02:33:37.841 MY CLOTHING.
02:33:38.174 I BELIEVED HE WASGOING TO RAPE
02:33:40.644 ME.
02:33:40.811 I TRIED TOYELL FOR HELP.
02:33:46.250 WHEN I DID HEPUT HIS HAND OVER
02:33:46.883 MY MOUTH TO STOP ME FROM
02:33:48.018 YELLING.
02:33:49.386 THIS ISWHAT TERRIFIED ME THE
02:33:50.154 MOST AND HAD THE MOST LASTING
02:33:51.355 IMPACT ON MY LIFE.
02:33:52.756 IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO BREATHE.
02:33:55.726 AND I THOUGHT THAT BRETT WAS
02:33:59.697 ACCIDENTALLY GOING TO KILL ME.
02:34:04.535 BOTH BRETT AND MARK WERE
02:34:06.470 DRUNKENLY LAUGHING DURING THE
02:34:07.404 ATTACK.
02:34:08.072 THEY SEEMED TO HAVEHAVING A
02:34:10.307 GOOD TIME.
02:34:10.607 >> I MEAN, FOR ME, JUST
02:34:13.977 LISTENING TO THAT AS A MAN, I
02:34:17.881 COULD FEEL MY HEART POUNDING, I
02:34:18.514 COULD FEEL IT BREAKING IN 2.
02:34:19.483 >> WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT
02:34:21.218 THIS HEARING AND THE CONTEXT OF
02:34:22.953 KIND OF THE CULTURAL MOMENT,
02:34:23.787 RIGH
02:34:25.322 THIS HAS BECOME MORETHAN A
02:34:26.090 HEARING FOR THE NOMINATION, THE
02:34:29.293 CONFIRMATION OF A SUPREME COURT
02:34:30.394 JUSTICE.
02:34:30.661 THISHAS TOUCHED LOTS OF
02:34:31.161 DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN LOTS OF
02:34:35.032 DIFFERENT WAYS, IT HAS BEEN
02:34:36.800 VERY IMPACTFUL, IT HAS BROUGHT
02:34:37.868 UP MEMORIES FROM OTHERS TO COME
02:34:39.436 FORWARD TO TALK ABOUT THEIR OWN
02:34:41.405 ASSAULTS AND WHAT THAT HAS
02:34:42.739 MEANT FOR THEIR LIVE.
02:34:43.206 THIS HAS TAKENON A GREATER
02:34:47.010 SIGNIFICANCE IN THE COUNTRY AND
02:34:47.644 AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF THE ME
02:34:50.047 TOO MOVEMENT, OF COURSE AND
02:34:53.050 WHEN WE'RE KIND REVISITING HOW
02:34:54.485 THESE KINDS OF THINGS WERE
02:34:55.052 HANDLED IN THE PAST AND WHAT
02:34:56.053 WE'RE LEARNING FROM THEM GOING
02:34:57.988 FORWARD.
02:34:58.288 I THINKIT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO
02:34:59.022 NOTE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE
02:35:02.192 HEARD TESTIMONY IN WRITTEN
02:35:05.229 FORM, THIS TIME WE'RE SEEING
02:35:07.030 AND HEARING HER.
02:35:07.463 I THINK IT IS VERY UM -- IT
02:35:11.434 GIVES A VERY -- YOU KNOW,
02:35:12.536 VISCERAL REACTION.
02:35:13.136 >> YES.
02:35:14.104 >> RIGHT.
02:35:14.771 I THINK THAT IS VERYIMPORTANT
02:35:16.239 AND THAT'S WHY LOTS OF
02:35:18.408 REPUBLICANS WERE A BIT NERVOUS.
02:35:19.076 >> YES.
02:35:20.978 >> ABOUT HAVING THIS -- IN THIS
02:35:23.046 SETTING AND THE FACT THAT SHE
02:35:23.646 IS WILLING TO SAY ALL OF THESE
02:35:26.316 THINGS UNDER OATH AND ALSO SAID
02:35:27.885 WHAT IS HER LEVEL OF
02:35:30.020 CONFIDENCE THAT SHE IS
02:35:32.122 REMEMBERING THIS CORRECTLY, AND
02:35:33.490 THAT IT WAS BRETT KAVANAUGH,
02:35:34.891 AND SHE SAID 100%.
02:35:36.593 >> YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UM,
02:35:39.096 ALL OF US SORT OF WHEN SHE
02:35:40.964 FIRST STARTED TALKING SORT OF
02:35:41.899 LOOKED UP.
02:35:42.199 YOU HAVE THESE IDEAS OFWHAT
02:35:43.400 SHE'S GOING TO LOOK AND SOUND
02:35:44.434 LIKE.
02:35:44.634 >> RIGHT.
02:35:46.904 >> I THINK IT SORT OF CAUGHT US
02:35:49.172 OFF GUARD THAT SHE WAS NO
02:35:50.441 LONGER AN ACCUSER, SHE'S A
02:35:52.075 WOMAN, A VICTIM.
02:35:54.077 I THOUGHT THE OTHER THING WE
02:35:55.479 REALLY GOT OUT OF THIS
02:35:56.346 TESTIMONY UM IS AN ANSWER TO
02:35:58.615 THAT QUESTION, WHY DIDN'T YOU
02:35:59.216 COME FORWARD SOONER IN.
02:36:01.718 >> UM-HUM.
02:36:03.287 >> AND SHE TALKS ABOUT THE
02:36:06.089 IMPACT -- THE PRESENT DAY
02:36:07.257 IMPACT HOW SHE'S BEEN
02:36:08.192 RETRAUMATIZED BY THE DECISION
02:36:10.560 TO COME FORWARD.
02:36:12.663 LET'S PLAY SLOT NUMBER 4. YOU
02:36:15.098 KNOW, BEFORE SHE EVEN TALKED
02:36:17.201 ABOUT THAT SHE IDENTIFIED A
02:36:18.468 NUMBER OF DIFFERENT INSTANCES
02:36:19.369 WHEN SHE SPOKE ABOUT THIS
02:36:23.006 INCIDENT, RIGHT AND EVEN DIANE
02:36:24.608 FINESTEIN SAID WELL, WHY YOU
02:36:26.476 DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
02:36:27.176 SHE HADTO REMIND HER I TOLD YOU
02:36:30.947 I TALKED ABOUT IT SEVERAL
02:36:31.481 TIMES.
02:36:32.616 >> A PART FROM THE ASSAULT
02:36:33.884 ITSELF THESE PAST COUPLE OF
02:36:35.419 WEEKS HAVE BEEN THE HARDEST OF
02:36:36.986 MY LIFE.
02:36:37.954 I'VE HAD TO RELIVE THIS TRAUMA
02:36:39.857 IN FRONT OF THE WORLD.
02:36:40.791 AND I'VE SEEN MY LIFE PICKED
02:36:43.060 APART BY PEOPLE ON TELEVISION,
02:36:45.229 ON TWITTER, OTHER SOCIAL
02:36:50.100 MEDIA, OTHER MEDIA AND IN THIS
02:36:51.201 BODY WHO HAVE NEVER MET ME OR
02:36:53.070 SPOKEN WITH ME.
02:36:54.538 I HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF ACTING
02:36:58.542 OUT OF PARTISAN POLITICAL
02:36:59.075 MOTIVES.
02:37:00.944 THOSE WHO SAY THAT DO NOT KNOW
02:37:02.813 ME, I AM AN INDEPENDENT PERSON
02:37:04.348 AND I AM NO ONE'S PAWN.
02:37:06.950 MY MOTIVATION IN COMING FORWARD
02:37:08.585 WAS TO BE HELPFUL.
02:37:10.587 AND TO PROVIDE FACTS ABOUT HOW
02:37:14.057 MR. KAVANAUGH'S ACTIONS HAVE
02:37:14.657 DAMAGED MY LIFE.
02:37:17.027 SO THAT YOU COULD TAKE INTO A
02:37:18.395 SERIOUS CONSIDERATION AS YOU
02:37:20.731 MAKE YOUR DECISION ABOUT HOW TO
02:37:21.398 PROCEED.
02:37:21.698 .
02:37:23.867 >> SO THAT'S SORT OF INDIRECT
02:37:28.205 RESPONSE TO THE PRESIDENT'S CON
02:37:31.408 JOB MANTRA HE'S BEEN REPEATING
02:37:32.776 OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
02:37:35.212 UNLIKE THETHIRD ACCUSER, WE
02:37:38.148 PLAYED THAT A LITTLE BIT
02:37:38.916 EARLIER, SHE DOESN'T SAY THAT,
02:37:40.650 SHE JUST SAYS I'M PUTTING IT
02:37:42.986 OUT THERE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER
02:37:44.120 ANSWERED OF STORY.
02:37:46.590 >> SHE'S MAKING CLEAR THAT SHE
02:37:48.425 NEVER WANTED TO OR INTENDED TO
02:37:49.860 BE PART OF THIS STORY, TO BE
02:37:51.128 THE STORY.
02:37:51.595 >> YES.
02:37:53.664 >> SHE SAID SHE BROUGHT THIS UP
02:37:56.500 IN A CONFIDENTIAL MANNER AND
02:37:57.534 COMMUNICATED IT WHILE BRETT
02:37:59.269 KAVANAUGH WAS STILL ON THE
02:38:02.305 LIST, NOT WHILE HE WAS THE
02:38:03.139 NOMINEE.
02:38:03.473 HER POINT OF VIEW IS SHE WAS
02:38:05.475 TRYING TO BE INFORMATIVE TO
02:38:07.310 WHOEVER SHE COULD TELL IN TERMS
02:38:08.812 OF WHO WOULD BE OVERSEEING THIS
02:38:10.179 DECISION MAKING TO PICK BRETT
02:38:10.947 KAVANAUGH OUT OF THE LST.
02:38:11.481 >> RIGHT.
02:38:12.749 >> UM, SO I THINK THAT TIME
02:38:14.317 LINE IS IMPORTANT.
02:38:14.918 AND SHE TALKSABOUT WHY SHE
02:38:16.753 DIDN'T COME FORWARD AT THE
02:38:18.288 TIME.
02:38:18.488 I THINKIT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK
02:38:19.088 ABOUT WHY SHE DIDN'T WANT HER
02:38:20.190 NAME OUT THERE FOR THIS VERY
02:38:22.426 REASON.
02:38:22.659 SHETALKED ABOUT REPORTERS
02:38:23.193 COMING TO HER HOUSE.
02:38:26.029 TALKING TO HER DOG, COMING TO
02:38:28.298 HER PLACE OF WORK WHICH IS UM,
02:38:31.534 A CLASSROOM SETTING.
02:38:32.535 ANDMISTOOK ONE OF THEM FOR A
02:38:35.672 STUDENT.
02:38:36.673 SO THE INVASIVENESS OFTHIS
02:38:37.240 WHOLE PROCESS IS JUST
02:38:38.408 COMPLETELY, UM, JARRING TO ANY
02:38:40.744 OF US LISTENING TO THIS
02:38:42.312 TESTIMONY.
02:38:43.013 CAN'T EVEN IMAGINEWHAT IT'S
02:38:43.980 LIKE FOR HER.
02:38:44.347 I THINKIT'S IMPORTANT THAT
02:38:46.283 SHE'S TRYING TO ESTABLISH THE
02:38:47.017 FACT THAT SHE DID NOT WANT TO
02:38:47.617 BE IN THE POSITION THAT SHE'S
02:38:51.021 IN NOW.
02:38:51.288 SHEWAS SIMPLY TRYING TO INFORM
02:38:53.089 THOSE WHO WOULD BE MAKING A
02:38:54.257 DECISION ABOUT A SUPREME COURT
02:38:54.958 NOMINEE.
02:38:57.327 >> SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT RACHEL
02:38:58.462 MITCHELL AND HOW IT APPEARS AT
02:39:00.998 LEAST TO THOSE OF US WATCHING
02:39:02.599 THAT SHE'S CROSS EXAMINING A
02:39:04.134 VICTIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT.
02:39:06.203 HOWDO WE -- [INAUDIBLE]
02:39:07.004 PERFORMANCE SO FAR?
02:39:09.706 I MEAN IT STRIKES ME AS
02:39:10.607 INITIALLY HIS OPENING
02:39:11.141 STATEMENTS SEEMED TO ATTACK HER
02:39:13.977 ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
02:39:14.410 BUT ON THE OTHERHAND I
02:39:18.081 SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE HE ACTUALLY
02:39:18.715 DOESN'T WANT TO BE THERE AND
02:39:20.083 GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS
02:39:21.184 BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT MITCH
02:39:21.751 McCONNELL WANTS.
02:39:25.923 >> THIS IS NOT A SITUATION THAT
02:39:26.556 ANY OF THESE REPUBLICANS WANT
02:39:27.157 TO BE IN AT ALL FOR STARTERS.
02:39:31.194 HEALSO WAS TRYING TO ESTABLISH
02:39:32.395 IN HIS OPENING STATEMENTS THAT
02:39:33.263 THEY HAVE WANTED THIS
02:39:33.730 INORMATION TO COME TO THE
02:39:35.933 COMMITTEE EARLIER SO THEY COULD
02:39:39.036 -- HE'S ARGUING COULD PROPERLY
02:39:41.238 INVESTIGATE IT.
02:39:43.006 OF COURSEREPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN
02:39:43.640 LAW MEANTING THE PROCESS, THE
02:39:47.076 WAY IN WHICH FINESTEIN WAITED
02:39:50.180 TO BRING IT TO THE FBI OF
02:39:52.415 COURSE ARGUING SHE WANTED TO
02:39:58.355 PROTECT THE CONFIDENTIALITY OF
02:40:00.724 FORD.
02:40:00.924 BUT SOTHERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS
02:40:02.225 OVER ALL OF THIS ABOUT THE
02:40:04.461 POLITICAL NATURE OF IT.
02:40:06.330 I THINK IT ISIMPORTANT TO SEE
02:40:07.030 HOW BOTH SIDES ARE INVOLVED IN
02:40:10.133 POLITICAL BACK AND FORTH HERE
02:40:11.034 AND LOOKING FOR THEIR OWN
02:40:12.469 POINTS TO MAKE.
02:40:12.836 >> SO THE SENATORS ARE STARTING
02:40:14.604 TO MAKE THEIR WAY BACK TO THE
02:40:16.106 BRIEFING ROOM.
02:40:17.641 BEFORE WE GOBACK TO THIS
02:40:19.009 HEARING I WANT TO PLAY SLOT
02:40:20.110 NUMBER 7. THEREPUBLICANS HAVE
02:40:22.913 PUT OUT A THEORY I'VE STARTED
02:40:26.216 TO CALL IT THE MISTAKEN
02:40:26.917 IDENTITY THEORY WHERE THEY'RE
02:40:29.653 SUGGESTING THAT PERHAPS HER
02:40:30.921 MEMORY SHE WAS ASSAULTED THAT
02:40:33.624 NIGHT BUT IT WASN'T BRETT
02:40:34.925 KAVANAUGH OR MARK JUDGE.
02:40:35.458 THEY ASKED HER WHATDEGREE OF
02:40:37.326 CERTAINTY DOES SHE BELIEVE
02:40:37.894 BRETT KAVANAUGH ASSAULTED HER
02:40:41.131 AND SHE SAYS 100%.
02:40:41.564 HERE'S WHAT ELSE SHE SAYS ABOUT
02:40:42.699 HOW SHE FELT THAT NIGHT.
02:40:46.903 .
02:40:48.205 >> WHAT IS THE STRONGORS MEMORY
02:40:48.872 YOU HAVE STRONGEST MEMORY OF
02:40:51.741 THE INCIDENT, SOMETHING THAT
02:40:55.946 YOU CAN NOT FORGET?
02:40:56.646 TAKEWHATEVER TIME YOU NEED.
02:41:02.352 .
02:41:06.123 >> -- IS THE LAUGHTER -- THE
02:41:06.923 [INAUDIBLE]
02:41:09.693 AND THEIR HAVING FUN AT MY
02:41:13.430 EXPENSE.
02:41:18.702 .
02:41:18.835 >> YOU NEVER FORGOTTEN THAT
02:41:19.436 LAUGHTER.
02:41:20.103 >> NO.
02:41:22.906 >> NEVER FORGOTTEN THEM
02:41:23.439 LAUGHING AT YOU.
02:41:24.341 >> THEY WERE LAUGHING WITH EACH
02:41:25.141 OTHER.
02:41:25.809 .
02:41:27.377 >> AND YOU WERE THE OBJECT OF
02:41:29.479 THE LAUGHTER?
02:41:31.014 .
02:41:32.048 >> I WAS, YOU KNOW, UNDERNEATH
02:41:33.650 ONE OF THEM WHILE THE 2
02:41:34.584 LAUGHED.
02:41:36.119 2 FRIENDS HAVING A REALLY GOOD
02:41:37.487 TIME WITH ONE ANOTHER.
02:41:42.926 .
02:41:43.994 >> YEAH, I'VE GOT TO SAY
02:41:44.761 WATCHING HER SAY THOSE WORDS
02:41:49.299 IT -- THEY -- YOU COULD SEE
02:41:51.267 THAT SHE WAS SORT OF RELIVING
02:41:52.301 THAT MOMENT.
02:41:54.704 >>YEAH.
02:41:54.937 >> IN THE WAY THAT SHE
02:41:55.438 DESCRIBED IT.
02:41:56.472 AND I SORT OF THINK THATTHAT
02:41:58.909 MOMENT THERE IS GOING TO
02:42:00.477 CRYSTALLIZE THE ENTIRE THING.
02:42:02.678 IN FACT, I THINK I HEARD YOU
02:42:03.279 SAY WHEN SHE SAID THAT IT'S
02:42:06.650 ALMOST SHE'S THIS OBJECT NOT
02:42:07.250 EVEN THERE, SHE'S A PIECE OF
02:42:10.419 MEAT WHILE THEY'RE HAVING A
02:42:11.020 GOOD TIME AND SHE'S LYING
02:42:13.023 UNDERNEATH ONE OF THEM.
02:42:14.157 >> I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE
02:42:15.926 MAJOR HEADLINES COMING OUT OF
02:42:17.427 THIS.
02:42:18.929 I THINK IT'S ALSOIMPORTANT TO
02:42:19.529 TALK ABOUT THE WAY IN WHICH SHE
02:42:22.933 WAS ESTABLISHING WHAT THAT
02:42:23.500 PARTY WAS LIKE.
02:42:25.502 >> NOT A REAL PARTY SHE SAYS.
02:42:27.571 >> IT WASN'T AS IF -- AND THE
02:42:30.206 SCENE SHE'S SETTING THAT IT
02:42:32.209 WASN'T THIS BIG PARTY, THAT
02:42:33.176 SOMEONE COULD HAVE BUMPED INTO
02:42:35.679 HER AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD
02:42:37.247 HAVE BEEN SOMEONE ELSE.
02:42:38.681 SHEKNEW THESE PEOPLE, GREW UP
02:42:39.315 WITH THEM.
02:42:40.784 THIS IS A COMMUNITY INWHICH ALL
02:42:42.919 OF THESE SCHOOLS ARE MINGLING
02:42:44.186 WITH EACH OTHER AND PEOPLE KIND
02:42:46.957 OF KNOW EACH OTHER.
02:42:47.991 THOSE ARE WHAT SHE WAS TRYING
02:42:49.359 TO ESTABLISH ABOUT THE SCENE
02:42:50.493 AND ONLY YOU KNOW, MAYBE 6 OR
02:42:53.997 SO PEOPLE THERE IN HER
02:42:55.065 RECOLLECTION A THAT SHE KNEW IT
02:42:56.766 WAS MARK JUDGE AND KNEW THAT
02:42:59.035 BRETT KAVANAUGH WAS THERE AND
02:43:01.171 DID THIS TO HER AND SHE SAID A
02:43:01.805 HUNDRED PERCENT.
02:43:04.507 >> I LIKE HOW SHE EXPLAINED HOW
02:43:07.243 MEMORY WORKS [INAUDIBLE]
02:43:07.777 ONE OF 2 THINGS IF YOU'VE
02:43:10.347 EXPERIENCED TRAUMAS, AN
02:43:10.914 INCIDENT THAT CHANGED YOUR
02:43:12.982 LIFE, YOU WOULD EITHER REMEMBER
02:43:14.751 EVERY SINGLE MINOR DETAIL.
02:43:15.452 >> UM-HUM.
02:43:17.988 >> OR BLOCK IT OUT BECAUSE IT
02:43:20.257 WAS SO TRAUMATIC.
02:43:20.690 SHE REALLYEXPLAINED IT DOESN'T
02:43:23.059 WORK LIKE THAT.
02:43:23.426 YOU FOCUS IN ON CERTAINDETAILS
02:43:25.395 AND NEVER FORGET THEM.
02:43:27.564 AND THEN SOME OF THE PER RIVER
02:43:28.498 DETAILS YOU MIGHT NOT REMEMBER.
02:43:29.132 >> YES.
02:43:29.966 >> SO YOU MIGHT NOT REMEMBER
02:43:32.335 THAT 4TH PERSON THAT WAS IN THE
02:43:33.270 KITCHEN AT THE TIME WHEN YOU
02:43:33.870 WALKED IN.
02:43:35.105 >> RIGHT, WHERE THE DOOR WAS.
02:43:38.341 >> RIGHT, EXACTLY.
02:43:38.774 BUT THATDOESN'T MEAN YOUR
02:43:39.308 MEMORY IS UNRELIABLE.
02:43:40.944 >> THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
02:43:43.446 >> IT IS INTERESTING THAT SHE'S
02:43:46.583 USING HER SCIENCE BACKGROUND TO
02:43:49.519 SORT OF PROP UP OR BUTTRESS HER
02:43:51.488 ALLEGATION.
02:43:53.189 AGAIN, IT GOES BACKTO WHAT WE
02:43:55.058 WERE SAYING, IT DOES FEEL THAT
02:43:58.728 THIS WAS A MIS -- THIS WAS A
02:43:59.328 MISSED OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
02:44:01.798 REPUBLICANS.
02:44:02.131 INSTEAD OF HAVINGRACHEL
02:44:02.965 MITCHELL UP THIS CROSS
02:44:04.234 EXAMINING HER THEY COULD HAVE
02:44:06.803 ASKED THE QUESTIONS TO THEIR
02:44:08.338 LIKING.
02:44:08.571 AND THEY DID NOT DOTHAT I FEEL
02:44:09.672 IS GOING TO HURT THEM.
02:44:11.207 >> AND GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO
02:44:12.942 SHOW SOME SYMPATHY TO HER AS
02:44:13.542 WELL.
02:44:14.144 >> YES.
02:44:14.444 >>YEAH.
02:44:17.180 >> AND TO NEGATE THE OPTICS OF
02:44:20.116 THE SITUATION OR TRY TO TEMPER
02:44:22.152 THEM BY SHOWING SOME AMOUNT OF
02:44:23.687 SYMPATHY AND UNDERSTANDING FOR
02:44:24.987 HER ACCOUNTING.
02:44:26.857 >> I THINK RACHEL -- I GO BACK
02:44:28.625 AND FORTH.
02:44:28.925 AS I'M WATCHING ITHINK SHE'S
02:44:30.427 VERY GOOD.
02:44:32.128 >> SHE IS, YEAH, SHE'S DOING A
02:44:32.862 GOOD JOB.
02:44:34.564 >> SHE'S A VICTIM'S ADVOCATE.
02:44:35.398 >> RIGHT.
02:44:38.401 >> I THINK SHE DID TRY TO MAKE,
02:44:41.137 UM AS COMFORTABLE AS POSSIBLE.
02:44:42.805 I THINK SHE DID A GOOD JOB.
02:44:45.708 HAVING HER DO -- I SUPPOSE
02:44:48.678 QUESTIONS FOR THE REPUBLICANS,
02:44:49.312 WHAT HAPPENS ON THE -- FOR THE
02:44:50.980 DEMOCRATS IS THAT THEY RUN THE
02:44:52.415 RISK OF LOOKING LIKE THEY ARE
02:44:56.987 POLITICIZING HER.
02:44:57.854 >> UM-HUM.
02:44:59.823 >> BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY'RE THE
02:45:03.293 ONES ASKING THESE REALLY
02:45:04.694 INTIMATE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT
02:45:06.763 WAS THE -- [INAUDIBLE]
02:45:07.263 HAD IT TOGETHER AND ALMOST
02:45:08.764 GOING TO CRY.
02:45:10.567 SO IT'S THE DEMOCRATS THATARE
02:45:12.802 DOING THAT.
02:45:14.004 THEY HAVE TO BEVERY CAREFUL
02:45:14.571 GOING FORWARD.
02:45:15.739 >> THEY LOOK AS IF THEY
02:45:17.273 ALREADY BELIEVE EVERYTHING SHE
02:45:18.909 HAS TO SAY, THAT WHEN JUDGE
02:45:20.243 KAVANAUGH MAKES HIS APPEARANCE
02:45:20.877 THEY IMMEDIATELY ATTACK HIM AS
02:45:24.980 IF HE'S ACTUALLY DONE IT AND
02:45:25.982 IT'S NOT A FACT FINDING
02:45:26.482 OPPORTUNITY OR THEM.
02:45:28.318 >> RIGHT.
02:45:29.652 >> AND THAT SORT OF THING,
02:45:32.055 REMEMBER THAT A COUPLE OF
02:45:32.588 MEMBERS OF THE SENATE JUDICIARY
02:45:34.190 COMMITTEE ON THE DEMOCRATIC
02:45:35.225 SIDE ARE POSSIBLE 2020
02:45:38.428 CONTENDERS.
02:45:38.728 THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
02:45:39.262 WE'VESEEN IN THIS SETTING
02:45:42.632 BEFORE ESPECIALLY DURING THE
02:45:43.233 KAVANAUGH CONFIRMATION HEARINGS
02:45:44.167 THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE , YOU
02:45:46.870 KNOW, USE THESE KINDS OF
02:45:47.403 SETTINGS.
02:45:47.670 >> RIGHT.
02:45:48.972 >> TO ESTABLISH THEIR OWN
02:45:49.672 PROFILES.
02:45:54.310 .
02:45:54.443 >> I THINK IT WAS -- WHO
02:45:55.144 BROUGHT HER HER COFFEE.
02:45:56.646 AND WE REMEMBERDURING THE
02:45:58.915 EARLIER TESTIMONY THERE WAS --
02:46:02.452 THERE WERE TIMES WHERE IT
02:46:03.085 SEEMED LIKE SENATOR BOOKER WAS
02:46:05.088 REALLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE
02:46:06.423 SPOTLIGHT, LET'S PUT IT THAT
02:46:07.057 WAY.
02:46:08.191 >> THAT SHOT WE WERE JUST
02:46:10.126 SHOWING YOU, THAT IS JUDGE
02:46:11.861 KAVANAUGH'S HOME.
02:46:13.830 HE'S SOON SETTO DEPART FOR
02:46:14.497 CAPITOL HILL.
02:46:14.998 THEY'RE CLEARLY -- HE DID NOT
02:46:16.333 WANT TO BE IN THE ROOM WITH
02:46:17.700 HER, SHE DOES NOT WANT TO BE IN
02:46:18.735 THE ROOM WITH HIM.
02:46:19.235 SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING --
02:46:23.006 THE OTHER THING IS, I'M CURIOUS
02:46:24.340 TO SEE WHEN JUDGE KAVANAUGH
02:46:25.742 TAKES THE STAND OR WHEN HE
02:46:26.443 APPEARS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE,
02:46:28.044 THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS UM,
02:46:30.079 MOMENTS WHY THE PRESIDENT AND
02:46:35.018 THE PRESIDENT'S LIKE KELLYANNE
02:46:37.019 CONWAY HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THEY
02:46:38.855 WANT TO SEE A MORE AGGRESSIVE
02:46:40.356 JUDGE KAVANAUGH WHEN HE TAKES
02:46:43.159 THAT STAND.
02:46:43.459 GIVEN WHAT WE'VESEEN FROM DR.
02:46:47.030 FORD I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL
02:46:48.765 BE THE BEST --
02:46:49.132 >> SORRY.
02:46:51.234 >> WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU
02:46:53.603 TO GO FROM NOW UNTIL 12:40
02:46:54.804 WITHOUT A BREAK?
02:46:58.007 >> YES.
02:47:08.451 .
02:47:09.552 >> WE HAVE A BLOW UP ON THE
02:47:11.821 RIGHT OF THE MAP THAT WAS SHOWN
02:47:13.890 TO YOU.
02:47:14.491 THE ADDRESS ASINDICATED ON HERE
02:47:17.093 AS BELONGING TO YOUR FAMILY IS
02:47:17.727 WHAT ALL THE PROPERTY TAX
02:47:18.762 RECORDS SHOWED AS BEING YOUR
02:47:19.362 ADDRESS.
02:47:19.629 >> OKAY.
02:47:22.532 >> JUST TO PUT IT INTO
02:47:23.733 PERSPECTIVE I'D LIKE TO SHOW
02:47:25.901 YOU A ZOOMED OUT PICTURE SO WE
02:47:26.603 CAN PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE.
02:47:30.240 >> OKAY.
02:47:32.342 .
02:47:33.209 >> SO WE CAN SHOW THE GREATER
02:47:35.244 WASHINGTON AREA.
02:47:35.644 YOU CAN SEETHE BELTWAY ON THAT,
02:47:38.314 THE BELTWAY AREA.
02:47:38.782 >> OKAY.
02:47:40.817 >> THEN NUMBER 3, IF WE COULD
02:47:43.920 LOOK AT THAT.
02:47:44.620 WE DREW A ONEMILE RADIUS AROUND
02:47:47.056 THE COUNTRY CLUB, AND THEN WE
02:47:49.692 CALCULATED FROM THE FURTHER --
02:47:51.494 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, AGAIN, WE
02:47:52.428 DON'T HAVE THESE DOCUMENTS.
02:47:55.131 NO, WE'RE NOT.
02:47:56.599 THAT'S WHYSHE SHOWED 3
02:47:59.035 DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS BECAUSE
02:47:59.602 THEY DEPICT 3 I WAS DIFFERENT
02:48:01.070 THINGS.
02:48:02.438 SO WE'D LIKETO SEE ALL 3
02:48:03.005 DOCUMENTS PLEASE, SO WE CAN
02:48:05.041 FOLLOW ALONG.
02:48:05.374 >> PROVIDE, PLEASE.
02:48:05.875 >> OKAY.
02:48:08.011 UM, LOOKING AT NUMBER -- THE
02:48:09.979 THIRD THING HERE.
02:48:10.647 >> UM-HUM.
02:48:12.248 >> WE CALCULATED THE DISTANCE
02:48:13.482 FROM THE CLOSEST POINT TO YOUR
02:48:17.220 HOUSE FROM A MILE RADIUS OF THE
02:48:19.455 COUNTRY CLUB, UM, AND THEN THE
02:48:21.257 FARTHEST POINT.
02:48:23.159 YOU CAN SEEIT'S 6.2 AND OF
02:48:25.328 COURSE 8.2 MILES.
02:48:25.728 >> UM-HUM.
02:48:26.796 >> AND YOU'VE DESCRIBED THIS AS
02:48:28.731 BEING NEAR THE COUNTRY CLUB
02:48:30.666 WHEREVER THIS HOUSE WAS IS THAT
02:48:31.601 RIGHT?
02:48:31.834 >> I WOULD DESCRIBE IT AS
02:48:33.636 SOMEWHERE BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND
02:48:37.139 THE COUNTRY CLUB IN THAT
02:48:38.641 VICINITY THAT'S SHOWN IN YOUR
02:48:39.241 PICTURE.
02:48:39.508 >> OKAY.
02:48:41.044 >> AND THE COUNTRY CLUB IS
02:48:41.611 ABOUT 20 -- A 20-MINUTE DRIVE
02:48:43.613 FROM MY PARENTS'S HOME.
02:48:45.548 >> A 20-MINUTE DRIVE.
02:48:46.549 >> UM-HUM.
02:48:48.785 >> OF COURSE I'VE MARKED AS THE
02:48:49.419 CROW FLIES.
02:48:49.719 >> YES.
02:48:51.621 >> WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT
02:48:53.122 SOMEBODY DROVE YOU SOMEWHERE
02:48:55.124 EITHER TO THE PARTY, OR HOME
02:48:56.392 FROM THE PARTY?
02:48:57.360 .
02:48:57.961 >> CORRECT.
02:48:59.462 >> OKAY.
02:49:00.730 HAS ANYONE COMEFORWARD TO SAY
02:49:01.330 TO YOU HEY, REMEMBER, I WAS
02:49:03.233 THE ONE THAT DROVE YOU HOME?
02:49:04.300 >> NO.
02:49:05.702 >> OKAY.
02:49:08.504 UM IN YOUR JULY 6TH TEXT TO THE
02:49:11.140 WASHINGTON POST, THAT YOU
02:49:14.443 LOOKED AT EARLIER, YOU SAID
02:49:17.180 THIS HAPPENED IN THE MID-'80s.
02:49:19.482 IN YOUR LETTER TO SENATOR
02:49:20.516 FINESTEIN YOU SAID IT OCCURRED
02:49:22.485 IN THE EARLY '80s.
02:49:23.219 >> UM-HUM.
02:49:26.022 >> IN YOUR POLYGRAPH STATEMENT
02:49:30.126 YOU SAID IT WAS HIGH SCHOOL
02:49:30.693 SUMMER '80s AND WRITTEN IN AND
02:49:31.360 ONE OF THE CORRECTIONS I
02:49:32.595 REFERRED TO EARLIER AND YOU
02:49:34.264 CROSSED THAT OUT.
02:49:35.131 LATER IN YOURINTERVIEW WITH THE
02:49:37.934 WASHINGTON POST, YOU WERE MORE
02:49:38.568 SPECIFIC.
02:49:39.035 YOU BELIEVED IT OCCURRED IN THE
02:49:41.671 SUMMER OF 19 # 2, AND SAID THE
02:49:43.806 END OF YOUR SOPHOMORE YEAR.
02:49:44.674 >> YES.
02:49:45.675 >> YOU SAID THE SAME THING I
02:49:47.810 BELIEVE IN YOUR PREPARED
02:49:49.979 STATEMENT.
02:49:50.279 HOW ARE YOU ABLE TONARROW DOWN
02:49:52.949 THE TIME FRAME?
02:49:53.316 >> I CAN'T GIVE THE EXACT DATE
02:49:53.950 AND UM, I WOULD LIKE TO BE
02:49:56.819 MORE HELPFUL ABOUT THE DATE.
02:49:59.489 AND IF I KNEW WHEN MARK JUDGE
02:50:01.891 WORKED AT THE SAFEWAY THEN I
02:50:03.493 WOULD BE ABLE TO BE MORE
02:50:05.395 HELPFUL IN THAT WAY.
02:50:06.930 SO I'M JUST USING,UM, MEMORIES
02:50:10.099 OF WHEN I GOT MY DRIVER'S
02:50:10.632 LICENSE.
02:50:10.933 I WAS 15 ATTHE TIME AND DID NOT
02:50:11.868 DRIVE HOME FROM THAT PARTY OR
02:50:13.736 TO THAT PARTY.
02:50:15.505 AND ONCE I DID HAVE MY DRIVER'S
02:50:19.174 LICENSE I LIKED TO DRIVE MYSELF
02:50:20.443 SO --
02:50:22.278 >> I ASSUME THE LEGAL DRIVING
02:50:23.546 AGE WAS 16?
02:50:24.513 >> YES.
02:50:26.683 >> OKAY.
02:50:27.016 NOW, YOU'VE TALKEDABOUT
02:50:28.251 ATTENDING THERAPY, UM, IN
02:50:30.486 YOUR TEXT TO THE WASHINGTON
02:50:34.290 POST DATED 7/6.
02:50:34.924 >> UM-HUM.
02:50:36.092 >> SO THAT'S THE VERY FIRST
02:50:38.261 STATEMENT WE HAVE FROM YOU.
02:50:38.861 YOUPUT IN THERE "HAVE THERAPY
02:50:42.831 RECORDS TALKING ABOUT IT".
02:50:43.599 >> UM-HUM.
02:50:45.568 >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
02:50:47.403 UNDERSTAND THAT.
02:50:50.506 DID YOUALREADY HAVE YOUR
02:50:51.040 THERAPY RECORDS AT THAT TIME?
02:50:53.676 >> I HAD LOOKED AT THEM ONLINE
02:50:55.444 SO SEE IF THEY EXISTED, YES.
02:50:58.014 >> OKAY, SO THIS WAS SOMETHING
02:50:58.681 THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO YOU VIA
02:51:02.351 A COMPUTER LIKE A PATIENT
02:51:05.555 PORTAL?
02:51:05.788 >> ACTUALLY, NO, IT WAS IN THE
02:51:06.422 OFFICE [INAUDIBLE].
02:51:06.856 >> OKAY.
02:51:08.658 >> SHE HELPED ME GO THROUGH THE
02:51:11.260 RECORD TO LOCATE WHETHER I HAD
02:51:12.495 HAD RECORD OF THIS CONVERSATION
02:51:13.429 THAT I HAD REMEMBERED.
02:51:14.330 .
02:51:15.231 >> DID YOU SHOW A FULL OR
02:51:18.601 PARTIAL SET OF THOSE MARRIAGE
02:51:19.669 THERAPY RECORDS TO THE
02:51:20.402 WASHINGTON POST?
02:51:26.342 .
02:51:26.943 >> UM, I DON'T REMEMBER.
02:51:27.476 IREMEMBER SUMMARIZING FOR HER
02:51:30.046 WHAT THEY SAID.
02:51:30.413 SO I'M NOTQUITE SURE IF I
02:51:32.348 ACTUALLY GAVE HER THE RECORD.
02:51:33.015 .
02:51:33.416 >> OKAY.
02:51:34.984 UM, SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT
02:51:41.190 THE REPORTER DID NOT SEE THESE
02:51:43.158 NOTES.
02:51:43.392 ?
02:51:45.094 >> UM, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE -- I
02:51:46.762 CAN'T RECALL WHETHER SHE SAW
02:51:49.232 THEM INDIRECTLY OR IF I JUST
02:51:50.733 TOLD HER WHAT THEY SAID.
02:51:54.904 >> OKAY.
02:51:55.204 HAVE YOU SHOWN THEM TOANYONE
02:51:56.638 ELSE BESIDES YOU'RE COUNSEL.
02:51:57.707 >> JUST THE COUNSEL.
02:52:00.543 >> OKAY.
02:52:01.544 UM, WOULD IT BE FAIRTO SAY THAT
02:52:02.445 BRETT KAVANAUGH'S NAME IS NOT
02:52:03.479 LISTED IN THOSE NOTES?
02:52:05.882 >> HIS NAME IS NOT LISTED IN
02:52:06.682 THOSE NOTES.
02:52:08.451 >> WOULD IT ALSO BE FAIR TO SAY
02:52:10.720 THAT THE THERAPIST'S NOTES WE
02:52:11.587 WERE TALKING ABOUT SAY THERE
02:52:13.723 WERE 4 BOYS IN THE ROOM?
02:52:16.259 >> UM, IT DESCRIBES THE SEXUAL
02:52:19.428 ASSAULT, AND IT SAYS
02:52:22.165 ERRONEOUSLY BY 4 BOYS SO THE
02:52:23.633 THERAPIST GOT THE CONTENT OF IT
02:52:24.267 WRONG.
02:52:26.369 >> AND YOU CONNECTED THAT TO
02:52:26.969 THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTER,
02:52:30.673 CORRECT?
02:52:30.940 >> CORRECT.
02:52:32.341 >> SENATOR WHITEHOUSE.
02:52:35.378 >> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
02:52:36.678 THANKYOU DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY
02:52:37.980 FORD.
02:52:38.180 A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PROUD OF
02:52:38.780 YOU TODAY.
02:52:41.584 FROM A PROSECUTOR'S VIEWONE OF
02:52:43.752 THE HARDEST THINGS THAT WE
02:52:44.620 HAVE TO DO IS TO SPEAK TO
02:52:48.091 SOMEBODY WHO HAS COME FORWARD
02:52:49.592 WITH AN ALLEGATION OF SEXUAL
02:52:51.294 ASSAULT AND LET THEM KNOW THAT
02:52:53.196 WE CAN'T PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE
02:52:54.697 TO GO FORWARD TO TRIAL.
02:52:57.667 IT'S A HARD DAY FOR THE
02:52:59.168 PROSECUTOR TO DO THAT.
02:53:00.503 .
02:53:00.636 >> UM-HUM.
02:53:04.273 >> AND SO BOTH BECAUSE MAKING
02:53:07.176 [INAUDIBLE]
02:53:09.979 INVESTIGATIVE EFFORT IS SUCH AN
02:53:11.313 IMPORTANT CONSOLATION TO THE
02:53:13.216 VICTIM IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE AND
02:53:16.752 BECAUSE IT'S WHAT YOU'RE OWE
02:53:18.687 BRIDGED TO DO PROFESSIONALLY
02:53:19.655 SINCERE AND THOROUGH
02:53:20.122 INVESTIGATION IS CRITICAL TO
02:53:24.861 THESE CLAIMS IN A PROSECUTOR'S
02:53:25.494 WORLD.
02:53:27.763 IT MAY BE THE MOST BASIC THING
02:53:29.298 THAT WE OWE A VICTIM OR A
02:53:31.000 WITNESS COMING FORWARD IS TO
02:53:33.803 MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THEM A
02:53:35.004 FULL THOROUGH AND SINCERE
02:53:37.006 INVESTIGATION.
02:53:39.509 YOU HAVE MET ALL OF THE
02:53:41.577 STANDARDS OF WHAT I MIGHT CALL
02:53:44.347 PRELIMINARY CREDIBILITY WITH
02:53:44.947 YOUR INITIAL STATEMENT.
02:53:48.251 UM, YOU HAVE VIVID, SPECIFIC
02:53:50.819 AND DETAILED RECOLLECTIONS,
02:53:51.987 SOMETHING PROSECUTORS LOOK FOR.
02:53:56.225 YOUR RECOLLECTIONS ARE
02:53:58.126 CONSISTENT WITH KNOWN FACTS.
02:54:00.963 YOU MADE PRIOR CONSISTENT
02:54:04.667 STATEMENTS, SOMETHING ELSE
02:54:05.868 PROSECUTORS AND LAWYERS LOOK
02:54:08.170 FOR.
02:54:08.370 YOU'RE WILLING TO ANDDID TAKE A
02:54:10.606 LIE DETECTOR TEST AND WILLING
02:54:11.206 TO TESTIFY HERE.
02:54:15.444 HERE YOU ARE SUBJECTTO
02:54:16.979 PROFESSIONAL CROSS EXAMINATION
02:54:17.813 BY A PROSECUTOR.
02:54:21.651 SO YOU'VE MET ANY CONDITION ,
02:54:24.920 ANY PROSECUTOR COULD EXPECT TO
02:54:28.758 GO FORWARD, AND YET, THERE HAS
02:54:29.525 BEEN NO SINCERE OR THOROUGH
02:54:32.728 INVESTIGATION OF YOUR CLAIMS.
02:54:35.798 YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR AN
02:54:38.534 FBI INVESTIGATION, DID YOU NOT?
02:54:44.040 >> YOU HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING.
02:54:44.740 >> YES.
02:54:46.742 >> AND ARE YOU AWARE THAT WHEN
02:54:50.379 THE FBI BEGINS INVESTIGATING
02:54:54.150 THEY MIGHT FIND CORROBORATE
02:54:54.717 EVIDENCE AND MIGHT FIND EX CULL
02:54:55.384 TORE EVIDENCE.
02:54:56.919 >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT EX CULL
02:54:58.220 TORE EVIDENCE IS.
02:55:00.122 >> NOT HELPFUL TO YOUR
02:55:02.391 RECOLLECTION AND VERSION OF
02:55:05.027 EVENTS HELPFUL TO THE ACCUSED.
02:55:06.062 >> YES.
02:55:06.462 >> [INAUDIBLE].
02:55:07.063 >> YES.
02:55:08.431 >> AND YOU'RE STILL NOT JUST
02:55:11.032 WILLING, BUT INSISTENT THAT
02:55:14.403 THE FBI SHOULD INVESTIGATE YOUR
02:55:16.806 RECOLLECTION AND YOUR CLAIM?
02:55:19.241 >> YES, I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD
02:55:21.477 -- I COULD BE MORE HELPFUL IN
02:55:23.412 THAT IF THAT WAS THE CASE IN
02:55:25.882 PROVIDING SOME OF THE DETAILS
02:55:26.482 THAT MAY BE PEOPLE ARE WANTING
02:55:28.017 TO KNOW ABOUT.
02:55:28.417 .
02:55:30.519 >> AND AS WE KNOW THEY DIDN'T
02:55:33.522 AND I SUBMIT THAT NEVER NEVER
02:55:38.394 IN THE HISTORY OF BACKGROUND
02:55:40.295 INVESTIGATIONS HAS AN
02:55:43.933 INVESTIGATION NOT BEEN PURSUED
02:55:50.172 WHEN NEW, CREDIBLE INFORMATION
02:55:51.073 WAS BROUGHT FORWARD ABOUT
02:55:52.942 THE NOMINEE OR THE CANDIDATE.
02:55:56.445 I DON'T THINK THIS HAS EVER
02:55:57.146 HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF FBI
02:56:02.250 BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS.
02:56:04.286 MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN PROVE ME
02:56:05.888 WRONG BUT IT'S WILDLY UNUSUAL
02:56:06.956 AND OUT OF CHARACTER.
02:56:10.259 AND IN MY VIEW, IT IS A GRAVE
02:56:12.595 DISSERVICE TO YOU AND I WANT TO
02:56:14.930 TAKE THIS MOMENT TO APOLOGIZE
02:56:16.731 TO YOU FOR THAT.
02:56:17.633 ANDTO REPORT TO ANYBODY WHO
02:56:19.101 MIGHT BE LISTENING THAT WHEN
02:56:19.702 SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO COME
02:56:22.304 FORWARD EVEN UNDER THOSE
02:56:22.905 CIRCUMSTANCES EVEN HAVING BEEN
02:56:26.409 NOT GIVEN THE MODICUM OF
02:56:26.976 COURTESY AND SUPPORT OF A
02:56:28.778 PROPER INVESTIGATION, UM,
02:56:31.013 YOU'VE SHOWN YOURSELF
02:56:31.914 PARTICULARLY PROUD IN DOING
02:56:32.514 THAT.
02:56:33.049 AND THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE
02:56:34.483 DECISION TO HAVE THIS BE, I
02:56:37.486 THINK THE ONLY BACKGROUND
02:56:38.053 INVESTIGATION IN HISTORY TO
02:56:42.925 BE STOPPED AS DEROGATORY
02:56:43.458 INFORMATION CAME FORWARD,
02:56:44.693 BELONGS WITH 13 MEN, THE
02:56:49.231 PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR OF THE FBI
02:56:51.400 AND THE 11 MEMBERS OF THE
02:56:53.936 MAJORITY OF THIS COMMITTEE.
02:56:56.072 AS TO THE COMMITTEE'S
02:56:58.908 INVESTIGATION, THE FACT THAT
02:57:02.478 MR. KAVANAUGH'S ALLEGED
02:57:02.978 ACCOMPLICE HAS NOT BEEN
02:57:04.814 SUBPOENAED, [INAUDIBLE]
02:57:06.415 AND CROSS EXAMINED UNDER OATH,
02:57:07.049 HAS NOT BEEN INTERVIEWED BY THE
02:57:08.717 FBI TELLS YOU ALL YOU NEED TO
02:57:11.153 KNOW ABOUT HOW CREDIBLE THIS
02:57:13.189 PERFORMANCE IS.
02:57:17.660 THE VERY BARE MINIMUM IN A
02:57:19.328 PERSON WHO COMES FORWARD IS
02:57:19.996 OWED IS SINCERE AND THOROUGH
02:57:22.597 INVESTIGATION AND YOU'VE BEEN
02:57:26.435 DENIED THAT.
02:57:26.768 AND IWILL MAKE A PERSONAL
02:57:30.439 PLEDGE TO YOU HERE THAT HOWEVER
02:57:31.073 LONG IT TAKES IN WHAT FORUM --
02:57:35.076 I WOULD DO WHATEVER IS IN MY
02:57:36.978 POWER TO MAKE SURE YOUR CLAIMS
02:57:37.612 GET A FULL AND PROPER
02:57:38.381 INVESTIGATION AND NOT JUST
02:57:39.715 THIS.
02:57:39.915 THANK YOU FOR BEINGHERE.
02:57:40.449 >> THANK YOU.
02:57:44.487 .
02:57:45.454 >> SINCE THIS ISSUE HAS COME UP
02:57:47.055 SO MANY TIMES I'D LIKE TO
02:57:47.589 COMMENT.
02:57:50.359 THE NEW YORKER PUBLISHED AN
02:57:52.528 ANONYMOUS ACCOUNT OF
02:57:55.130 ALLEGATIONS SEPTEMBER THE 14TH.
02:57:56.565 2 DAYSLATER DR. FORD IDENTIFIED
02:58:00.169 HERSELF AS A VICTIM IN A POST
02:58:00.970 ARTICLE.
02:58:02.905 DETAILING HER ALLEGATIONS.
02:58:05.274 I IMMEDIATELYDIRECTED MY STAFF
02:58:07.009 TO INVESTIGATION.
02:58:11.514 SEPTEMBER THE 17TH, DR. FORD'S
02:58:13.048 COUNSEL WENT ON SEVERAL
02:58:14.249 TELEVISION SHOWS REQUESTING
02:58:14.849 THAT HER CLIENT HAVE AN
02:58:16.519 OPPORTUNITY TO TELL HER STORY.
02:58:18.754 THE SAME DAY I SCHEDULED A
02:58:21.724 HEARING FOR MONDAY, SEPTEMBER
02:58:23.926 THE 24TH GIVEN DR. FORD A WEEK
02:58:25.761 TO PREPARE HER TESTIMONY AND
02:58:28.664 COME TO WASHINGTON, D.C. ON
02:58:30.999 SEPTEMBER 17TH COMMITTEE
02:58:31.801 INVESTIGATING STAFF REACHED OUT
02:58:34.370 TO DR. FORD AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH
02:58:35.905 TO SCHEDULE FOLLOW-UP
02:58:37.906 INTERVIEWS WITH REPUBLICAN AND
02:58:38.540 DEMOCRATIC INVESTIGATORS.
02:58:39.675 JUDGE KAVANAUGHACCEPTED THE
02:58:41.877 OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE
02:58:44.480 INVESTIGATORS UNDER CRIMINAL
02:58:45.447 PENALTY.
02:58:47.016 DR. FORDDECLINED.
02:58:48.684 IN HIS INTERVIEW ONSEPTEMBER
02:58:49.284 THE 17TH JUDGE KAVANAUGH DENIED
02:58:50.853 THE ALLEGATIONS AND REQUESTED A
02:58:55.057 HEARING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
02:58:56.425 DEMOCRATIC STAFFREFUSED TODAY
02:58:58.461 PARTICIPATE IN A IN THAT
02:58:58.994 INTERVIEW.
02:58:59.295 THE NEXT DAYSEPTEMBER 18TH
02:59:01.530 COMMITTEE INVESTIGATIVE STAFF
02:59:02.431 CONTACTED MARK JUDGE REQUESTING
02:59:03.064 AN INTERVIEW, COMMITTEE STAFF
02:59:06.468 ALSO LEARNED THE IDENTITY OF 2
02:59:07.102 OTHER ALLEGED PARTY GOERS AND
02:59:10.005 REQUESTED INTERVIEWS.
02:59:11.006 MARKJUDGE SUBMITTED A STATEMENT
02:59:14.443 UNDER PENALTY OF FELONY DENYING
02:59:16.011 KNOWLEDGE OF THE PARTY
02:59:17.212 DESCRIBED BY DR. FORD.
02:59:19.014 AND STATES THAT HE NEVER SAW
02:59:22.217 BRETT IN THE MANNER DESCRIBED
02:59:22.851 BY DR. FORD.
02:59:25.721 AND I CAN GO ON AND ON ABOUT
02:59:26.755 THAT.
02:59:27.556 BUT WE'VE GOT TO REALIZE THAT
02:59:30.926 WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THIS CASE
02:59:31.593 OF ALL THE TIME YOU GO THROUGH
02:59:34.296 A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION,
02:59:35.464 BY THE FBI, THEN IT COMES TO
02:59:38.534 US.
02:59:53.448 TORY
02:59:53.615 THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
02:59:54.115 >> MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:59:56.117 >> -- MS. MITCHELL.
02:59:57.319 >> I WANT TO POINT OUT TO
03:00:00.055 SUPPORT WHAT SENATOR WHITEHOUSE
03:00:01.823 SAID IN THE A TEET A HILL CASE
03:00:04.826 GEORGE BUSH ORDERED THE
03:00:07.729 INVESTIGATION BE OPENED AGAIN.
03:00:09.365 >> MS. MITCHELL, WILL YOU
03:00:10.900 PROCEED FOR SENATOR LEE.
03:00:12.001 >> THANK YOU,
03:00:13.368 MR.
03:00:13.636 >>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:00:15.203 THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTED IN
03:00:18.240 THEIR SEPTEMBER 16 ARTICLE THAT
03:00:20.209 YOU DID SHOW THEM THERAPIST
03:00:26.382 NOTES.
03:00:26.615 IS THAT INCORRECT?
03:00:27.416 >> I DON'T REMEMBER PHYSICALLY
03:00:31.020 SHOWING HER A NOTE.
03:00:32.221 PERHAPS MY COUNSEL DID.
03:00:33.556 I DON'T REMEMBER PHYSICALLY
03:00:35.457 SHOWING HER MY COPY OF THE
03:00:38.460 NOTE.
03:00:38.660 I JUST DON'T REMEMBER.
03:00:41.764 I'M SORRY.
03:00:42.064 I HAVE RETRIEVED A PHYSICAL
03:00:44.066 COPY OF THOSE MEDICAL RECORDS.
03:00:45.701 >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
03:00:49.038 YOU ALSO ATTENDED INDIVIDUAL
03:00:51.507 THERAPY.
03:00:51.840 DID YOU SHOW ANY OF THOSE NOTES
03:00:55.511 TO THE REPORTER FROM THE
03:00:57.379 WASHINGTON POST?
03:00:57.780 >> AGAIN, I DON'T REMEMBER IF
03:01:01.350 I SHOWED HER SOMETHING THAT I
03:01:03.118 SUMMARIZED OR IF I SPOKE ABOUT
03:01:05.721 IT.
03:01:05.954 OR IF SHE SAW IT IN MY
03:01:08.524 COUNSEL'S OFFICE.
03:01:08.924 I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.
03:01:10.259 I CERTAINLY SPOKE WITH HER
03:01:12.661 ABOUT THE 2013 RECORD WITH THE
03:01:14.797 INDIVIDUAL THERAPIST.
03:01:15.264 >> AND BRETT KAVANAUGH'S NAME
03:01:17.866 IS NOT IN THOSE NOTES, IS THAT
03:01:19.768 CORRECT?
03:01:20.235 >> CORRECT.
03:01:20.635 >> IN READING THE WASHINGTON
03:01:23.238 POST ARTICLE, IT MENTIONS THAT
03:01:25.040 THIS INCIDENT THAT WE'RE HERE
03:01:27.843 ABOUT CONTRIBUTED TO ANXIETY
03:01:29.845 AND PTSD PROBLEMS WITH WHICH
03:01:35.017 YOU HAVE STRUGGLED.
03:01:36.018 THE WORD CONTRIBUTED, DOES THAT
03:01:36.819 MEAN THERE ARE OTHER THINGS
03:01:38.387 THAT HAVE HAPPENED THAT HAVE
03:01:40.289 ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO ANXIETY AND
03:01:44.193 PTSD?
03:01:44.393 >> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT
03:01:46.896 QUESTION.
03:01:47.162 I THINK THE EDOLOGY OF ANXIETY
03:01:54.470 IS MULTIFACTORIAL.
03:01:55.104 THAT WAS A CRITICAL RISK -- WE
03:02:00.743 WOULD CALL IT A RISK FACTOR.
03:02:02.410 IT WOULD BE A PREDICTER OF THE
03:02:09.585 SYMPTOMS I HAVE.
03:02:10.752 IT DOESN'T MEAN OTHER THINGS
03:02:12.288 WOULD HAVE MADE IT WORSE.
03:02:15.023 >> ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT
03:02:17.092 HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE ANXIETY
03:02:19.495 AND PTSD THAT YOU SUFFERED?
03:02:20.629 >> WELL, I THINK THERE'S
03:02:23.799 BIOLOGICAL PREDISPOSITIONS THAT
03:02:24.867 EVERYONE IN HERE HAS FOR
03:02:27.369 PARTICULAR DISORDERS.
03:02:27.836 SO I CAN'T RULE OUT THAT I
03:02:29.338 WOULD HAVE SOME BIOLOGICAL
03:02:34.042 PREDISPOSITION.
03:02:34.409 I'M AN ANXIOUS PERSON.
03:02:34.943 >> WHAT ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL?
03:02:36.678 >> ENVIRONMENTALLY, NOT THAT I
03:02:42.051 CAN THINK OF.
03:02:42.517 >> OKAY.
03:02:43.452 >> CERTAINLY NOTHING AS
03:02:46.555 STRIKING AS THAT EVENT.
03:02:47.122 >> OKAY.
03:02:48.891 IN YOUR INTERVIEW WITH THE
03:02:50.693 WASHINGTON POST, YOU SAID THAT
03:02:52.194 YOU TOLD YOUR HUSBAND EARLY IN
03:02:53.495 YOUR MARRIAGE THAT YOU HAD BEEN
03:02:55.497 A VICTIM OF, AND I QUOTE,
03:02:58.100 PHYSICAL ABUSE.
03:02:58.500 IN YOUR STATEMENT YOU SAID THAT
03:02:59.802 BEFORE YOU WERE MARRIED, YOU
03:03:02.171 TOLD HIM YOU EXPERIENCED QUOTE,
03:03:04.740 A SEXUAL ASSAULT.
03:03:05.574 DO THESE TWO THINGS REFER TO
03:03:07.709 THE SAME INCIDENT?
03:03:08.142 >> YES.
03:03:09.244 >> AND AT EITHER POINT ON
03:03:12.748 THESE TWO TIMES, DID YOU USE
03:03:16.185 ANY NAMES?
03:03:16.485 >> NO.
03:03:17.819 >> OKAY.
03:03:20.689 MAY I ASK DR. FORD, HOW DID YOU
03:03:24.393 GET TO WASHINGTON?
03:03:24.826 >> IN AN AIRPLANE.
03:03:25.827 >> OKAY.
03:03:27.029 >> I ASK THAT BECAUSE IT'S
03:03:29.098 BEEN REPORTED BY THE PRESS THAT
03:03:31.600 YOU WOULD NOT SUBMIT TO AN
03:03:33.001 INTERVIEW WITH THE COMMITTEE
03:03:34.203 BECAUSE OF YOUR FEAR OF FLYING.
03:03:37.940 IS THAT TRUE?
03:03:38.374 >> I WAS HOPING THEY WOULD
03:03:41.744 COME TO ME, BUT I REALIZED THAT
03:03:44.947 WAS AN UNREALISTIC REQUEST.
03:03:45.647 >> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A
03:03:47.583 QUICKER TRIP FOR ME.
03:03:48.850 >> YES.
03:03:51.353 THAT WAS CERTAINLY WHAT I WAS
03:03:52.988 HOPING, TO AVOID HAVING TO GET
03:03:56.892 ON AN AIRPLANE.
03:03:58.459 I EVENTUALLY WAS ABLE TO GET UP
03:04:01.830 THE GUMPTION AND GET ON THE
03:04:02.931 PLANE.
03:04:03.164 >> WHEN YOU WERE HERE IN THE
03:04:06.902 MID ATLANTIC AREA BACK IN
03:04:09.872 AUGUST, THE END OF JULY,
03:04:11.173 AUGUST, HOW DID YOU GET HERE?
03:04:12.707 >> ALSO BY AIRPLANE.
03:04:14.442 I COME HERE ONCE A YEAR DURING
03:04:15.978 THE SUMMER TO VISIT MY FAMILY.
03:04:18.513 I'M SORRY, NOT HERE.
03:04:19.581 I GO TO DELAWARE.
03:04:20.515 >> OKAY.
03:04:23.852 IN FACT, YOU FLY FAIRLY
03:04:25.587 FREQUENTLY FOR YOUR HOBBIES AND
03:04:27.322 YOU'VE HAD TO FLY FOR YOUR
03:04:29.224 WORK, IS THAT TRUE?
03:04:30.125 >> CORRECT.
03:04:32.160 UNFORTUNATELY.
03:04:32.527 >> YOU WERE A CONSULTING
03:04:39.134 STATUSITION.
03:04:39.468 >> THE COMPANY I WORKED FOR IS
03:04:41.503 BASED IN AUSTRALIA AND THEY
03:04:42.604 HAVE AN OFFICE IN SAN
03:04:44.773 FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA.
03:04:45.273 I DON'T THINK I'LL MAKE IT TO
03:04:47.875 AUSTRALIA.
03:04:48.176 >> IT IS LONG.
03:04:51.480 I ALSO SAW THAT YOU LIST THE
03:04:54.917 FOLLOWING INTERESTS OF TRAVEL
03:04:57.219 AND YOU PUT HAWAII, CROWSLY
03:05:10.833 COSTA RICA.
03:05:11.133 AND OCEANOGRAPHY AND CULTURE.
03:05:11.966 DID YOU TRAVEL BY AIR AS A PART
03:05:13.869 OF THOSE INTERESTS?
03:05:14.403 >> CORRECT.
03:05:17.939 EASIER FOR ME TO TRAVEL GOING
03:05:19.374 THAT DIRECTION WHEN IT'S A
03:05:23.078 VACATION.
03:05:23.345 >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:05:24.645 THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE DR.
03:05:27.983 FORD.
03:05:28.183 YOU KNOW, IN MY JOB AS A
03:05:30.586 PROSECUTOR, WE INVESTIGATED
03:05:31.453 REPORTS LIKE THIS.
03:05:32.287 SO, IT GAVE ME A WINDOW ON THE
03:05:36.124 TYPES OF CASES THAT HURT WOMEN
03:05:37.593 AND HURT ALL OF US.
03:05:39.294 AND I WOULD ALWAYS TELL THE
03:05:40.896 WOMEN THAT CAME BEFORE US THAT
03:05:41.930 THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO TELL
03:05:44.099 THEIR STORY BEFORE A JURY BOX
03:05:47.035 OF STRANGERS.
03:05:47.870 YOU'VE HAD TO TELL YOUR STORY
03:05:50.405 BEFORE THE ENTIRE NATION.
03:05:51.439 FOR SO MANY YEARS, PEOPLE SWEPT
03:05:54.076 CASES LIKE YOURS UNDER THE RUG.
03:05:56.578 THEY WOULD SAY, WHAT HAPPENS
03:05:59.014 INSIDE A HOUSE DIDN'T BELONG IN
03:06:02.384 THE COURTHOUSE.
03:06:03.084 WELL, THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED.
03:06:04.586 SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
03:06:07.222 COMING FORWARD TODAY AND FOR
03:06:09.825 SHARING YOUR REPORT WITH US.
03:06:12.027 NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE
03:06:14.229 TAKEN A POLYGRAPH TEST.
03:06:16.131 DR. FORD, THAT FOUND THAT YOU
03:06:18.133 WERE BEING TRUTHFUL WHEN YOU
03:06:19.334 DESCRIBED WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU.
03:06:20.502 CAN YOU TELL US WHY YOU DECIDED
03:06:23.005 TO TAKE THAT TEST?
03:06:26.408 >> I WAS MEETING WITH
03:06:31.079 ATTORNEYS.
03:06:31.379 I WAS INTERVIEWING VARIOUS
03:06:32.381 ATTORNEYS AND THE ATTORNEYS
03:06:33.781 ASKED IF I WAS WILLING TO TAKE
03:06:35.284 IT AND I SAID ABSOLUTELY.
03:06:38.420 THAT SAID, IT WAS ALMOST AS
03:06:41.123 ANXIETY PROVOKING AS AN
03:06:42.424 AIRPLANE FLIGHT.
03:06:42.925 >> OKAY.
03:06:44.025 AND YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT YOUR
03:06:46.428 RECOLLECTIONS AND SEEING MARK
03:06:48.096 JUDGE AT THAT SAFEWAY.
03:06:49.096 IF THERE HAD BEEN AN
03:06:50.832 APPROPRIATE REOPENING OF THIS
03:06:52.234 BACKGROUND CHECK AND FBI
03:06:54.403 INTERVIEWS, WOULD THAT HELP YOU
03:06:55.437 FIND THE TIME PERIOD IF YOU
03:06:56.505 KNEW WHEN HE WORKED AT THAT
03:06:58.307 SAFEWAY?
03:06:58.574 >> I FEEL LIKE I COULD BE MUCH
03:07:00.609 MORE HELPFUL IF I COULD BE
03:07:02.110 PROVIDED WITH THAT DATE THROUGH
03:07:04.379 EMPLOYMENT RECORDS OR THE IRS.
03:07:06.982 ANYTHING.
03:07:07.249 THAT WOULD HELP.
03:07:07.649 >> I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S TRUE.
03:07:12.087 DR. FORD, UNDER FEDERAL LAW,
03:07:13.922 STATEMENTS MADE TO MEDICAL
03:07:16.024 PROFESSIONALS ARE CONSIDERED TO
03:07:17.092 BE MORE RELIABLE.
03:07:17.992 THERE'S A FEDERAL RULE OF
03:07:20.162 EVIDENCE ABOUT THIS.
03:07:21.530 YOU TOLD YOUR COUNSELOR ABOUT
03:07:23.432 THIS BACK IN 2012.
03:07:25.167 IS THAT RIGHT?
03:07:25.534 >> MY THERAPIST.
03:07:28.336 MY INDIVIDUAL THERAPIST,
03:07:29.071 CORRECT.
03:07:29.404 >> RIGHT.
03:07:30.438 AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR
03:07:33.609 HUSBAND WAS ALSO PRESENT WHEN
03:07:35.010 YOU SPOKE ABOUT THIS INCIDENT
03:07:37.512 IN FRONT OF A COUNSELOR AND HE
03:07:40.115 RECALLS YOU USING JUDGE
03:07:42.217 KAVANAUGH'S NAME.
03:07:42.884 IS THAT RIGHT?
03:07:43.251 >> YES.
03:07:43.919 I HAVE TO SLOW DOWN A MINUTE
03:07:45.487 BECAUSE I MIGHT HAVE BEEN
03:07:47.856 CONFUSING.
03:07:48.156 THERE WERE TWO SEPARATE
03:07:49.524 INCIDENTS WHERE IT'S REFLECTED
03:07:50.792 IN MY MEDICAL RECORD.
03:07:52.160 I TALKED ABOUT IT MORE THAN
03:07:54.663 THOSE TWO TIMES, BUT THERAPISTS
03:07:56.764 DON'T TYPICALLY WRITE DOWN
03:07:58.033 CONTENT AS MUCH AS THEY WRITE
03:08:00.369 DOWN PROCESS.
03:08:00.702 THEY ARE USUALLY TRACKING YOUR
03:08:02.204 SYMPTOMS AND NOT YOUR STORY AND
03:08:04.506 THE FACTS.
03:08:04.806 I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE IT IN MY
03:08:07.509 RECORD TWICE.
03:08:07.842 SO, THE FIRST TIME IS IN 2012
03:08:10.412 WITH MY HUSBAND IN COUPLES
03:08:16.718 THERAPY.
03:08:17.319 AND THEN IN 2013, WITH MY
03:08:19.420 INDIVIDUAL THERAPIST.
03:08:20.054 >> SO IF SOMEONE HAD ACTUAL
03:08:22.657 DONE AN INVESTIGATION, YOUR
03:08:23.758 HUSBAND WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
03:08:25.260 SAY YOU NAMED HIS NAME AT THAT
03:08:26.461 TIME.
03:08:26.661 >> CORRECT.
03:08:27.628 >> OKAY.
03:08:30.232 I KNOW -- 2012.
03:08:30.632 >> I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN
03:08:32.834 CONCERNED WITH YOUR PRIVACY
03:08:33.869 THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AND YOU
03:08:35.504 FIRST REQUESTED YOUR ACCOUNT
03:08:37.005 WITH KEPT CONFIDENTIAL.
03:08:37.772 CAN YOU TELL US WHY.
03:08:42.110 >> YES.
03:08:44.313 SO AS I STATED BEFORE, ONCE I
03:08:48.617 WAS UNSUCCESSFUL IN GETTING MY
03:08:51.820 INFORMATION TO YOU BEFORE THE
03:08:53.955 CANDIDATE WAS CHOSEN, MY
03:08:55.257 ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO GET THE
03:08:57.859 INFORMATION WHEN THERE WAS
03:08:59.161 STILL A LIST OF OTHER
03:09:03.064 CANDIDATES AVAILABLE.
03:09:03.564 AND ONCE THAT WAS NOT
03:09:06.068 SUCCESSFUL AND I SAW THAT
03:09:07.969 PERSONS WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF
03:09:11.640 THE NOMINEE.
03:09:13.074 I TRACKED IT ALL SUMMER AND
03:09:15.744 REALIZED THAT WHEN I WAS
03:09:18.113 CALCULATING THAT RISK BENEFIT
03:09:19.214 RATIO, IT LOOKED LIKE I WAS
03:09:21.616 GOING TO JUST SUFFER ONLY FOR
03:09:23.384 NO REASON.
03:09:23.685 >> OKAY.
03:09:24.819 YOU KNOW FROM MY EXPERIENCE
03:09:27.856 WITH MEMORY, I REMEMBER
03:09:29.157 DISTINCTLY THINGS THAT HAPPENED
03:09:30.091 TO ME IN HIGH SCHOOL OR
03:09:31.560 HAPPENED TO ME IN COLLEGE.
03:09:33.461 BUT I DON'T EXACTLY REMEMBER
03:09:36.465 THE DATE.
03:09:36.732 I DON'T EXACTLY REMEMBER THE
03:09:39.568 TIME.
03:09:39.768 I SOMETIMES MAY NOT REMEMBER
03:09:40.969 THE EXACT PLACE WHERE IT
03:09:42.737 OCCURRED.
03:09:43.004 BUT I REMEMBER THE INTERACTION.
03:09:45.273 AND MANY PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED
03:09:47.442 TODAY ON WHAT YOU'RE NOT ABLE
03:09:48.844 TO REMEMBER ABOUT THAT NIGHT.
03:09:50.678 I ACTUALLY THINK YOU REMEMBER A
03:09:52.147 LOT.
03:09:52.347 I'M GOING TO PHRASE IT
03:09:53.849 DIFFERENTLY.
03:09:54.182 CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOU DON'T
03:09:56.852 FORGET ABOUT THAT NIGHT.
03:09:59.854 >> THE STAIRWELL.
03:10:04.693 THE LIVING ROOM.
03:10:06.561 THE BEDROOM.
03:10:06.894 THE BED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF
03:10:08.997 THE ROOM AS YOU WALK INTO THE
03:10:10.465 ROOM.
03:10:10.665 THERE WAS A BED TO THE RIGHT.
03:10:14.069 THE BATHROOM IN CLOSE
03:10:20.542 PROXIMITY.
03:10:20.842 THE LAUGHTER.
03:10:22.610 THE UPROARIOUS LAUGHTER.
03:10:23.411 AND THE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO
03:10:27.015 ESCAPE AND THE FINAL ABILITY TO
03:10:29.584 DO SO.
03:10:29.851 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH DR.
03:10:33.554 FORD.
03:10:33.755 >> DR. FORD, I WANT TO CORRECT
03:10:37.159 THE RECORD.
03:10:37.459 IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M SAYING
03:10:38.860 THAT YOU STATED WRONGLY BECAUSE
03:10:40.796 YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE FACT THAT
03:10:44.433 WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU DIDN'T
03:10:46.601 THINK IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR US TO
03:10:50.639 OR INVESTIGATORS GO TO OMMITTEE
03:10:51.239 CALIFORNIA TO TALK TO YOU, WE
03:10:54.443 DID IN FACT OFFER THAT TO YOU
03:10:56.511 AND WE HAD THE CAPABILITY OF
03:10:57.946 DOING IT AND WE WOULD HAVE DONE
03:11:00.749 IT ANYWHERE OR ANY TIME.
03:11:02.683 >> THANK YOU.
03:11:04.252 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, COULD I PUT
03:11:05.954 THE POLYGRAPH RESULTS ON THE
03:11:08.790 RECORD, PLEASE.
03:11:09.257 THE POLYGRAPH RESULTS IN THE
03:11:13.261 RECORD.
03:11:13.494 IS THERE ANY OBJECTION?
03:11:14.663 >> LET US SEE THE CHART.
03:11:16.531 >> THE POLYGRAPH.
03:11:18.566 YOU WANT TO SEE IT?
03:11:20.334 I THINK YOU MAY HAVE IT.
03:11:23.938 >> CAN WE HAVE THE UNDERLYING
03:11:29.344 CHARTS, TOO?
03:11:29.677 >> I HAVE THE POLYGRAPH
03:11:30.946 RESULTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO
03:11:32.514 PUT IN THE RECORD.
03:11:33.581 I'LL DEAL WITH THE CHARTS AFTER
03:11:35.550 THAT.
03:11:35.750 COULD I PUT THE POLYGRAPH TEST
03:11:38.553 IN THE RECORD?
03:11:38.920 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAD
03:11:42.891 PROPOSED HAVING THE POLYGRAPH
03:11:45.459 EXAMINER TESTIFY, AS YOU KNOW.
03:11:46.928 IF THAT HAD HAPPENED, THE FULL
03:11:50.198 MATERIALS HE HAD SUPPORTING HIS
03:11:52.767 EXAMINATION WOULD HAVE BEEN
03:11:54.903 PROVIDED.
03:11:55.170 YOU REJECTED THAT REQUEST.
03:11:56.338 SO WHAT WE DID PROVIDE WAS THE
03:11:58.239 POLYGRAPH REPORT, WHICH IS WHAT
03:11:59.240 THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
03:12:00.775 CURRENTLY HAVE.
03:12:01.142 >> AND ON SEPTEMBER 26, MR.
03:12:03.545 CHAIRMAN, THIS WAS ACTUALLY
03:12:05.046 SENT TO YOUR CHIEF COUNSEL.
03:12:06.113 I JUST WANT TO SHARE IT WITH
03:12:08.249 AMERICA SO THAT THEY HAVE THIS
03:12:09.551 REPORT AS WELL.
03:12:10.251 >> OKAY, WE WILL ACCEPT
03:12:12.454 WITHOUT OBJECTION WHAT YOU HAVE
03:12:14.389 ASKED US TO INCLUDE.
03:12:15.856 WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING AND
03:12:18.293 EXPECT THE OTHER MATERIALS THAT
03:12:19.861 I JUST STATED.
03:12:20.328 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU WOULDN'T
03:12:22.464 ALLOW THE UNDERLYING WITNESS
03:12:23.665 WHO PERFORMED THE POLYGRAPH
03:12:24.900 TEST TO TESTIFY NOR WOULD YOU
03:12:27.502 ALLOW MARK JUDGE TO TESTIFY.
03:12:28.703 SO, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT
03:12:30.071 OUT, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING
03:12:31.272 THIS REPORT IN THE RECORD, BUT
03:12:32.841 THAT IS THE REASON THAT WE
03:12:34.142 DON'T HAVE THE UNDERLYING
03:12:35.744 INFORMATION FOR YOU.
03:12:36.211 >> YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED.
03:12:38.546 I THINK YOU WOULD BE SATISFIED.
03:12:39.881 >> I AM SATISFIED WITH THAT,
03:12:42.250 THANK YOU.
03:12:42.583 >> SENATOR, GO AHEAD.
03:12:43.785 >> WHEN WAS THE POLYGRAPH
03:12:46.754 ADMINISTERED?
03:12:47.088 >> IT WAS ADMINISTERED ON
03:12:52.994 AUGUST 7, 2018, AND IT WAS THE
03:12:54.396 DATE OF THE REPORT IS AUGUST
03:12:57.065 10, 2018.
03:12:57.499 >> WHEN WAS IT PROVIDED TO THE
03:12:59.601 COMMITTEE?
03:12:59.901 >> LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T DO
03:13:01.403 THIS IN A MORE ORDERLY WAY.
03:13:03.071 >> HE WAS ASKING AND I HAVE IT
03:13:04.872 RIGHT HERE AND YOU HAVE IT AS
03:13:07.375 WELL IT WAS SEPTEMBER 26.
03:13:08.476 >> WE HAVE ACCEPTED IT.
03:13:13.180 >> MS. MITCHELL, FOR SENATOR
03:13:17.952 CRUZ.
03:13:18.987 >> THANK YOU.
03:13:21.489 DR. FORD, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT
03:13:22.824 THE DAY AND THE NIGHT THAT
03:13:24.292 YOU'VE DESCRIBED IN THE SUMMER
03:13:26.728 OF 1982.
03:13:26.995 THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO
03:13:29.597 DO THAT.
03:13:30.298 I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT.
03:13:31.799 I WOULD LIKE TO SHIFT GEARS AND
03:13:34.202 DISCUSS THE LAST SEVERAL
03:13:37.505 MONTHS.
03:13:37.738 >> OKAY.
03:13:38.072 >> IN YOUR STATEMENT, YOU SAID
03:13:44.079 THAT ON JULY 6, YOU HAD A QUOTE
03:13:46.448 SENSE OF URGENCY TO RELAY THE
03:13:48.650 INFORMATION TO THE SENATE AND
03:13:52.153 THE PRESIDENT.
03:13:52.654 DID YOU CONTACT EITHER THE
03:13:54.322 SENATE OR THE PRESIDENT ON OR
03:13:59.059 BEFORE JULY 6?
03:13:59.426 >> I DID NOT.
03:14:00.595 I DID NOT KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
03:14:02.197 >> OKAY.
03:14:05.700 PRIOR TO JULY 6, HAD YOU SPOKEN
03:14:08.536 TO ANY MEMBER OF CONGRESS?
03:14:09.837 WHEN I SAY CONGRESS, I MEAN THE
03:14:11.272 SENATE OR THE HOUSE OF
03:14:13.675 REPRESENTATIVES OR ANY
03:14:14.876 CONGRESSIONAL STAFF MEMBERS
03:14:17.245 ABOUT YOUR ALLEGATIONS?
03:14:19.013 >> NO.
03:14:20.047 >> WHY DID YOU CONTACT THE
03:14:23.017 WASHINGTON POST ON JULY 6?
03:14:26.521 >> SO, I WAS PANICKING BECAUSE
03:14:28.690 I KNEW THE TIME LINE WAS SHORT
03:14:32.293 FOR THE DECISION.
03:14:35.362 PEOPLE WERE GIVING ME ADVICE ON
03:14:38.700 THE BEACH.
03:14:39.233 PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE
03:14:42.770 PROCESSES.
03:14:43.070 BUT THEY WERE GIVING ME ADVICE
03:14:44.973 AND MANY PEOPLE TOLD ME, YOU
03:14:46.674 NEED TO HIRE A LAWYER.
03:14:47.708 I DIDN'T DO THAT.
03:14:48.777 I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY I WOULD
03:14:53.048 NEED A LAWYER.
03:14:53.514 SOMEBODY SAID, CALL THE "NEW
03:14:55.750 YORK TIMES."
03:14:56.083 CALL THE WASHINGTON POST.
03:14:58.887 PUT IN AN ANONYMOUS TIP.
03:15:00.889 GO TO YOUR CONGRESSPERSON.
03:15:02.190 WHEN I WEIGHED THOSE OPTIONS, I
03:15:04.426 FELT LIKE THE BEST OPTION WAS
03:15:06.194 TO DO THE CIVIC ROUTE, WHICH IS
03:15:08.797 TO GO TO MY CONGRESSPERSON WHO
03:15:13.001 HAPPENS TO BE ANNA.
03:15:14.702 I CALLED HER OFFICE AND I ALSO
03:15:16.971 PUT IN THE ANONYMOUS TIP TO THE
03:15:20.074 WASHINGTON POST AND NEITHER,
03:15:21.776 UNFORTUNATELY, NEITHER GOT BACK
03:15:24.179 TO ME BEFORE THE SELECTION OF
03:15:26.213 THE NOMINEE.
03:15:26.547 >> YOU TESTIFIED THAT
03:15:30.918 CONGRESSWOMAN'S OFFICE
03:15:32.020 CONTACTED YOU ON JULY 9. IS
03:15:34.255 THAT RIGHT?
03:15:34.556 >> THEY CONTACTED ME THE DATE
03:15:37.425 THAT THE NOMINEE WAS ANNOUNCED.
03:15:40.828 THAT SEEMS LIKELY.
03:15:41.262 >> HAD YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR
03:15:44.332 ALLEGATIONS WITH ANYONE IN HER
03:15:45.633 OFFICE BEFORE THE DATE OF JULY
03:15:47.835 9?
03:15:48.002 >> I TOLD THE RECEPTIONIST ON
03:15:50.905 THE PHONE.
03:15:51.205 >> OKAY.
03:15:53.207 ON JULY 10, YOU TEXTED THE
03:15:56.511 WASHINGTON POST AGAIN, WHICH
03:15:57.812 WAS REALLY THE THIRD TIME, IS
03:16:00.415 THAT RIGHT?
03:16:02.083 SECOND DATE, THIRD TIME.
03:16:02.616 >> LET'S SEE.
03:16:07.522 CORRECT.
03:16:07.789 >> AND YOU TEXTED, BEEN
03:16:11.259 ADVISED TO CONTACT SENATORS OR
03:16:12.961 NEW YORK TIMES, HAVEN'T HEARD
03:16:14.762 BACK FROM WASHINGTON POST.
03:16:16.564 WHO ADVISED YOU TO CONTACT
03:16:18.166 SENATORS OR THE NEW YORK TIMES?
03:16:20.735 >> BEACH FRIENDS.
03:16:22.669 COMING UP WITH IDEAS OF HOW I
03:16:26.040 COULD TRY TO GET TO PEOPLE.
03:16:28.342 BECAUSE PEOPLE WEREN'T
03:16:29.310 RESPONDING TO ME VERY QUICKLY.
03:16:31.178 VERY QUICKLY, THEY RESPONDED TO
03:16:34.215 THAT TEXT FOR AN UNKNOWN
03:16:36.317 REASON.
03:16:36.618 ONCE I SENT THAT ENCRYPTED
03:16:38.620 TEXT, THEY RESPONDED VERY
03:16:39.854 QUICKLY.
03:16:40.354 >> DID YOU CONTACT THE NEW
03:16:42.056 YORK TIMES?
03:16:42.690 >> NO.
03:16:43.124 >> WHY NOT?
03:16:45.660 >> I WASN'T INTERESTED IN
03:16:48.663 PURSUING THE MEDIA ROUTE
03:16:50.265 PARTICULARLY.
03:16:50.598 SO I FELT LIKE ONE WAS ENOUGH.
03:16:53.167 THE WASHINGTON POST.
03:16:53.868 AND I WAS NERVOUS ABOUT DOING
03:16:56.437 THAT.
03:16:56.637 MY PREFERENCE WAS TO TALK WITH
03:16:59.273 MY CONGRESSPERSON.
03:16:59.908 >> OKAY.
03:17:02.610 THE WASHINGTON POST TEXTED BACK
03:17:04.712 THAT SOMEONE WOULD GET YOU IN
03:17:06.514 TOUCH WITH A REPORTER.
03:17:08.149 DID YOU SUBSEQUENTLY TALK TO A
03:17:09.317 REPORTER WITH THE WASHINGTON
03:17:10.919 POST?
03:17:11.119 >> YES.
03:17:13.754 UNDER THE ENCRYPTED APP.
03:17:16.024 AND OFF THE RECORD.
03:17:17.458 >> OKAY.
03:17:18.059 WHO WAS THAT REPORTER?
03:17:19.827 >> EMMA BROWN.
03:17:20.995 >> OKAY.
03:17:22.263 THE PERSON WHO ULTIMATELY WROTE
03:17:24.999 THE STORY ON SEPTEMBER 16.
03:17:26.601 >> CORRECT.
03:17:27.734 >> OKAY.
03:17:30.438 DID YOU TALK TO ANY MEMBER OF
03:17:33.541 CONGRESS AND AGAIN REMEMBER
03:17:34.442 CONGRESS INCLUDES THE SENATE OR
03:17:36.544 THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OR
03:17:38.413 ANY CONGRESSIONAL STAFF MEMBERS
03:17:40.515 ABOUT YOUR ALLEGATIONS BETWEEN
03:17:41.949 JULY 10 AND JULY 30, WHICH WAS
03:17:44.419 THE DATE OF YOUR LETTER TO
03:17:47.054 SENATOR FEINSTEIN.
03:17:47.521 >> YES.
03:17:49.757 I MET WITH CONGRESSWOMAN'S
03:17:54.262 ESHU'S STAFF.
03:17:54.695 THAT WAS ON THE WEDNESDAY, AND
03:17:56.164 THE FRIDAY I MET WITH THE
03:17:59.199 CONGRESSWOMAN HERSELF.
03:17:59.700 >> OKAY.
03:18:00.768 WHEN YOU MET WITH HER, DID YOU
03:18:02.270 MEET WITH HER ALONE OR DID
03:18:04.505 SOMEONE COME WITH YOU?
03:18:05.005 >> I WAS ALONE.
03:18:06.574 SHE HAD A STAFF PERSON.
03:18:08.509 >> OKAY.
03:18:10.678 >> WHAT DID YOU TALK ABOUT
03:18:14.349 WITH THE CONGRESSWOMAN AND HER
03:18:15.516 STAFF ON JULY 18 AND THE 20th?
03:18:19.620 >> .
03:18:19.853 >> I DESCRIBED THE NIGHT OF
03:18:21.756 THE INCIDENT AND WE SPENT TIME
03:18:26.427 SPEAKING ABOUT THAT.
03:18:31.766 I TALKED TO HER ABOUT MY
03:18:35.269 OPTIONS GOING FORWARD AND HOW
03:18:36.237 TO GET THAT INFORMATION RELAYED
03:18:38.506 GOING FORWARD AND FEARS OF
03:18:41.542 WHETHER THIS WAS CONFIDENTIAL
03:18:42.911 INFORMATION AND SHE DISCUSSED
03:18:49.550 THE CONSTITUENT CONFIDENT
03:18:55.590 CONFIDENTIALITY ISSUE.
03:18:56.090 >> I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT FIVE
03:18:58.760 ARTICLES.
03:18:59.027 ONE WHY SEXUAL ASSAULT MEMORIES
03:19:01.462 STICK AND ONE ENTITLED, WHY
03:19:04.465 DIDN'T KAVANAUGH ACCUSER COME
03:19:05.866 EARLIER.
03:19:06.166 >> WITHOUT OBJECTION, DR.
03:19:09.137 FORD.
03:19:09.337 I WANT TO BEGIN BY THANKING YOU
03:19:10.838 FOR COMING TO TESTIFY IN FRONT
03:19:12.840 OF US TODAY.
03:19:13.541 YOU CAME FORWARD WITH VERY
03:19:15.009 SERIOUS AND RELEVANT
03:19:15.843 INFORMATION ABOUT A NOMINEE FOR
03:19:18.046 A LIFETIME POSITION ON OUR
03:19:19.547 SUPREME COURT.
03:19:20.080 YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO.
03:19:21.315 AND I KNOW YOU'VE DONE IT AT
03:19:23.384 GREAT PERSONAL COST.
03:19:24.052 THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE AND I
03:19:25.653 WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M
03:19:27.021 GRATEFUL TO HAVE THE
03:19:28.056 OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM YOU
03:19:30.691 DIRECTLY TODAY.
03:19:31.091 I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST FOLLOW UP
03:19:32.593 ON THAT LINE OF QUESTIONING.
03:19:38.198 MS. MITCHELL WAS FOLLOWING.
03:19:39.567 YOU CHOSE TO COME FORWARD WITH
03:19:41.469 YOUR CONCERNS BEFORE HE WAS
03:19:43.037 NOMINATED TO THE SUPREME COURT.
03:19:44.371 DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT
03:19:46.340 WHEN YOU FIRST REACHED OUT TO
03:19:49.644 CONGRESSWOMAN ESHOO AND TO THE
03:19:51.245 TIP LINE, THAT'S WHEN HE WAS ON
03:19:53.548 THE SHORT LIST, BUT BEFORE HE
03:19:54.849 WAS NOMINATED TO THE SUPREME
03:19:56.117 COURT.
03:19:56.350 IS THAT CORRECT?
03:19:56.751 >> CORRECT.
03:19:57.118 >> IF I UNDERSTOOD YOUR
03:19:58.853 TESTIMONY EARLIER, YOU WERE
03:19:59.554 MOTIVATED BY A SENSE OF CIVIC
03:20:02.190 DUTY AND FRANKLY, A HOPE THAT
03:20:04.392 SOME OTHER HIGHLY QUALIFIED
03:20:05.960 NOMINEE MIGHT BE PICKED, NOT
03:20:07.762 OUT OF A MOTIVATION AT A LATE
03:20:09.297 STAGE TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE
03:20:11.365 FINAL DECISION.
03:20:12.166 >> CORRECT.
03:20:12.866 I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT
03:20:15.069 TO GET THE INFORMATION TO YOU,
03:20:17.238 BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT
03:20:19.941 WHILE THERE WAS STILL A SHORT
03:20:22.243 LIST OF CANDIDATES.
03:20:22.743 >> THANK YOU DOCTOR.
03:20:26.147 ACCORDING TO JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
03:20:27.448 DATA, 2/3 OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
03:20:29.751 SURVIVORS DON'T REPORT THEIR
03:20:31.552 ASSAULTS.
03:20:32.019 BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, I
03:20:33.154 WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING
03:20:34.789 FROM YOU ABOUT THIS BECAUSE YOU
03:20:37.158 BORE THIS ALONE.
03:20:37.558 YOU BORE THIS ALONE FOR A VERY
03:20:40.495 LONG TIME.
03:20:41.596 AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US
03:20:42.930 TO UNDERSTAND THE WAYS HOW THAT
03:20:45.800 IMPACTED YOUR WHOLE LIFE.
03:20:46.600 >> WELL, IT'S IMPACTED ME AT
03:20:50.271 DIFFERENT STAGES OF THE
03:20:50.872 DEVELOPMENT OF MY LIFE.
03:20:54.142 THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT WAS
03:20:55.343 PROBABLY THE WORST.
03:20:56.076 SO THE FIRST FOUR YEARS, I
03:20:58.980 THINK I DESCRIBED EARLIER A
03:21:01.849 FAIRLY DISASTROUS FIRST TWO
03:21:03.851 YEARS OF UNDER GRADUATE STUDIES
03:21:07.054 AT UNIVERSITY OF NORTH
03:21:07.889 CAROLINA.
03:21:08.289 I WAS FINALLY ABLE TO PULL
03:21:14.595 MYSELF TOGETHER AND THEN ONCE
03:21:18.466 COPING WITH THE IMMEDIATE
03:21:20.535 IMPACTS, THE SHORT-TERM
03:21:21.969 IMPACTS, I EXPERIENCED LONGER
03:21:24.772 TERM IMPACTS OF ANXIETY AND
03:21:27.007 RELATIONSHIP CHALLENGES.
03:21:27.541 >> THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.
03:21:28.843 AND YET YOU WENT ON TO GET A
03:21:31.846 PHD FROM USC, IS THAT CORRECT?
03:21:32.946 >> CORRECT.
03:21:34.548 >> AS YOU PREDICTED, THERE WAS
03:21:36.751 A WIDE RANGE OF RESPONSES TO
03:21:40.488 YOUR COMING FORWARD.
03:21:41.755 SOME THOUSANDS OF SURVIVORS
03:21:42.990 HAVE BEEN MOTIVATED AND
03:21:44.125 INSPIRED BY YOUR COURAGE.
03:21:46.194 OTHERS HAVE BEEN CRITICAL.
03:21:47.260 AND AS I'VE REVIEWED THE WIDE
03:21:49.297 RANGE OF REACTIONS, I'VE BEEN
03:21:50.598 TROUBLED BY THE EXCUSE OFFERED
03:21:53.601 BY TOO MANY.
03:21:54.001 THIS WAS A HIGH SCHOOL INCIDENT
03:21:55.403 AND BOYS WILL BE BOYS.
03:21:57.872 TO ME, THAT IS JUST FAR TOO LOW
03:22:00.374 A STANDARD FOR THE CONDUCT OF
03:22:01.676 BOYS AND MEN IN OUR COUNTRY.
03:22:03.310 IF YOU WOULD, I WOULD
03:22:04.445 APPRECIATE YOUR REACTION TO THE
03:22:05.880 EXCUSE THAT BOYS WILL BE BOYS.
03:22:10.151 >> I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR HOW IT
03:22:13.187 HAS IMPACTED ME GREATLY FOR THE
03:22:15.389 LAST 36 YEARS.
03:22:16.223 EVEN THOUGH I WAS 15 YEARS OLD
03:22:19.026 AT THE TIME.
03:22:20.594 AND I THINK THE YOUNGER YOU ARE
03:22:22.797 WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN, IT
03:22:25.399 CAN POSSIBLY HAVE WORSE IMPACT
03:22:26.534 THAN WHEN YOUR BRAIN IS FULLY
03:22:30.204 DEVELOPED AND YOU HAVE BETTER
03:22:31.772 COPING SKILLS THAT YOU
03:22:34.274 DEVELOPED.
03:22:34.775 >> EXPERTS HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT
03:22:37.879 HOW IT IS COMMON FOR SEXUAL
03:22:40.114 ASSAULT SURVIVORS TO REMEMBER
03:22:41.082 SOME FACTS ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE
03:22:43.184 VERY SHARPLY AND VERY CLEARLY,
03:22:44.986 BUT NOT OTHERS.
03:22:45.353 THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE
03:22:47.188 SURVIVAL MODE THAT WE GO INTO
03:22:50.558 IN EXPERIENCING TRAUMA.
03:22:51.358 IS THAT YOUR EXPERIENCE AND IS
03:22:52.793 THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN HELP THE
03:22:55.930 LEI PERSON UNDERSTAND?
03:22:56.430 >> YES.
03:22:58.199 I WAS DEFINITELY EXPERIENCING
03:22:59.032 THE FIGHT OR FLIGHT MODE, IS
03:23:00.835 THAT WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO?
03:23:03.271 I WAS DEFINITELY EXPERIENCING
03:23:04.272 THE SURGE OF ADRENALINE AND
03:23:10.878 CORTIZOL AND CREDIT THAT WITH
03:23:11.545 THE ABILITY TO GET OUT OF THE
03:23:13.781 SITUATION.
03:23:14.081 BUT ALSO SOME OTHER LUCKY
03:23:16.984 EVENTS THAT OCCURRED THAT
03:23:18.119 ALLOWED ME TO GET OUT OF THE
03:23:19.086 EVENT.
03:23:19.587 >> DR. FORD, WE ARE GRATEFUL
03:23:21.955 THAT YOU CAME THROUGH IT AND
03:23:23.624 YOU SHARED YOUR ACCOUNT WITH US
03:23:24.725 AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND I
03:23:27.795 THINK YOU'VE PROVIDED IMPORTANT
03:23:29.029 INFORMATIN.
03:23:29.329 I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
03:23:30.998 MEETING YOUR CIVIC DUTY.
03:23:32.232 I WISH WE COULD HAVE PROVIDED
03:23:34.201 FOR YOU A MORE THOROUGH HEARING
03:23:35.803 TODAY.
03:23:36.070 I THINK ASKING FOR THE FBI TO
03:23:38.406 INVESTIGATE THIS MATTER
03:23:39.206 THOROUGHLY WAS NOT ASKING TOO
03:23:40.975 MUCH.
03:23:41.175 I THINK ASKING TO HAVE THE
03:23:44.078 OTHER INDIVIDUAL INVOLVED IN
03:23:46.380 YOUR ASSAULT, MARK JUDGE,
03:23:47.280 APPEAR BEFORE US TODAY, WAS NOT
03:23:50.418 ASKING TOO MUCH.
03:23:51.185 I AM GRATEFUL YOU CAME FORWARD
03:23:53.187 AND GRATEFUL FOR YOUR COURAGE
03:23:58.926 THAT SET AN EXAMPLE.
03:24:00.194 >> DR. FORD, WE WERE TALKING
03:24:02.630 ABOUT YOU MEETING IN JULY WITH
03:24:06.100 CONGRESSWOMAN ESHOO.
03:24:06.567 DID YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR
03:24:08.336 ALLEGATIONS WITH ANY REPUBLICAN
03:24:09.870 MEMBER OF CONGRESS OR
03:24:11.706 CONGRESSIONAL STAFF?
03:24:12.173 >> I DID NOT.
03:24:14.275 WHERE I LIVE, THE CONGRESSWOMAN
03:24:17.111 IS A DEMOCRAT.
03:24:19.013 >> OKAY.
03:24:20.514 WAS IT COMMUNICATED TO YOU BY
03:24:22.583 YOUR COUNSEL OR SOMEONE ELSE
03:24:25.886 THAT THE COMMITTEE HAD ASKED TO
03:24:28.222 INTERVIEW YOU AND THEY OFFERED
03:24:29.623 TO COME OUT TO CALIFORNIA TO DO
03:24:31.892 SO?
03:24:32.058 >> WE'RE GOING TO OBJECT, MR.
03:24:34.929 CHAIRMAN, TO ANY CALL FOR
03:24:37.832 PRIVILEGED CONVERSATIONS
03:24:38.365 BETWEEN COUNSEL AND DR. FORD.
03:24:43.003 >> COULD YOU VALIDATE THE FACT
03:24:45.773 THAT THE OFFER WAS MADE WITHOUT
03:24:49.310 HER SAYING A WORD?
03:24:52.479 >> IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THAT
03:24:54.115 QUESTION TO BE ANSWERED WITHOUT
03:25:00.388 VIOLATING ANY COUNSEL
03:25:00.888 RELATIONSHIPS?
03:25:01.255 >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING TO YOU,
03:25:03.224 DO YOU MIND IF I SAY SOMETHING
03:25:05.626 TO YOU DIRECTLY?
03:25:06.126 I APPRECIATE THAT YOU DID OFFER
03:25:07.828 THAT.
03:25:08.028 I WASN'T CLEAR ON WHAT THE
03:25:09.330 OFFER WAS, IF YOU WERE GOING TO
03:25:10.831 COME OUT TO SEE ME, I WOULD
03:25:12.533 HAVE HAPPILY HOSTED YOU AND HAD
03:25:15.035 BEEN HAPPY TO SPEAK TO YOU OUT
03:25:17.204 THERE.
03:25:17.505 I WASN'T CLEAR TO BE THAT WAS
03:25:19.907 THE CASE.
03:25:20.173 >> OKAY, DOES THAT TAKE CARE
03:25:22.676 OF YOUR QUESTION?
03:25:23.076 >> YES.
03:25:24.111 THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:25:28.516 PROCEED THEN.
03:25:28.849 >> BEFORE JULY 30, THE DATE ON
03:25:31.385 YOUR LETTER TO SENATOR
03:25:34.922 FEINSTEIN, HAD YOU RETAINED
03:25:36.624 COUNSEL WITH REGARD TO THESE
03:25:37.758 ALLEGATIONS?
03:25:38.192 >> NO.
03:25:40.393 I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY I WOULD
03:25:43.831 NEED LAWYERS, ACTUALLY.
03:25:44.464 I DIDN'T KNOW.
03:25:44.831 >> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THAT
03:25:49.703 FEELING.
03:25:50.538 LET'S TALK ABOUT THE LETTER
03:25:52.907 THAT YOU WROTE ON JULY 30.
03:25:55.876 YOU ASKED SENATOR FEINSTEIN TO
03:26:01.381 REMAIN CONFIDENTIALITY --
03:26:05.152 >> LET'S WAIT UNTIL SHE FINDS
03:26:07.121 IT.
03:26:07.321 >> STOP THE CLOCK, WILL YOU?
03:26:11.058 IT'S IN THERE SOME PLACE.
03:26:14.562 >> I FOUND IT.
03:26:15.228 >> YOU ASKED SENATOR FEINSTEIN
03:26:19.767 TO MAINTAIN CONFIDENTIALITY
03:26:21.235 UNTIL WE HAVE HAD FURTHER
03:26:22.970 OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
03:26:23.904 AND THEN SAID YOU WERE
03:26:25.606 AVAILABLE TO SPEAK FURTHER
03:26:26.640 VACATIONING IN THE MID ATLANTIC
03:26:28.975 UNTIL AUGUST 7. IS THAT
03:26:35.516 CORRECT?
03:26:35.783 >> THE LAST LINE, IS THAT WHAT
03:26:39.320 YOU ARE REFERRING -- SORRY, I'M
03:26:40.955 A LITTLE SLOWER.
03:26:41.455 MY MIND IS GETTING TIRED.
03:26:43.758 I'M AVAILABLE TO SPEAK FURTHER
03:26:44.859 IF YOU WISH TO DISCUSS.
03:26:46.326 YES, I WAS IN DELAWARE UNTIL
03:26:50.464 AUGUST 7. AND AFTER THAT I WENT
03:26:51.665 TO NEW HAMPSHIRE AND THEN BACK
03:26:53.233 TO CALIFORNIA.
03:26:53.667 >> DID YOU TALK WITH ANYBODY
03:26:56.537 ABOUT THIS LETTER BEFORE YOU
03:26:59.039 SENT IT?
03:27:01.041 >> I TALKED WITH ANNA ESHOO'S
03:27:03.410 OFFICE.
03:27:04.411 >> OKAY.
03:27:05.145 WHY DID YOU TALK TO
03:27:07.648 CONGRESSWOMAN ESHOO'S OFFICE
03:27:08.415 ABOUT THAT LETTER?
03:27:08.848 >> BECAUSE THEY WERE WILLING
03:27:11.018 TO HAND DELIVER IT TO SENATOR
03:27:12.620 FEINSTEIN.
03:27:13.621 >> OKAY.
03:27:14.354 DID ANYONE HELP YOU WRITE THE
03:27:15.689 LETTER?
03:27:15.922 >> NO.
03:27:16.656 >> OKAY.
03:27:19.460 AFTER YOU SENT YOUR LETTER, DID
03:27:21.262 YOU OR ANYONE ON YOUR BEHALF
03:27:24.765 SPEAK TO SENATOR FEINSTEIN
03:27:26.567 PERSONALLY OR WITH ANY SENATE
03:27:29.002 STAFFER?
03:27:29.670 >> YES.
03:27:30.237 I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH SENATOR
03:27:32.673 FEINSTEIN.
03:27:32.973 >> OKAY.
03:27:33.807 WHEN WAS THAT?
03:27:34.174 >> THAT WAS WHILE I WAS STILL
03:27:38.546 IN DELAWARE.
03:27:38.945 SO BEFORE AUGUST 7.
03:27:39.413 >> OKAY.
03:27:40.948 HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU SPEAK
03:27:43.317 WITH SENATOR FEINSTEIN?
03:27:43.850 >> ONCE.
03:27:44.785 >> OKAY.
03:27:45.619 WHAT DID YOU TALK ABOUT?
03:27:48.255 >> SHE ASKED ME SOME QUESTIONS
03:27:54.962 ABOUT THE INCIDENT.
03:27:57.264 I ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS.
03:27:57.864 >> WAS THAT THE EXTENT, THE
03:28:01.569 GIST OF THE CONVERSATION?
03:28:02.102 >> IT WAS A BRIEF PHONE CALL.
03:28:03.570 >> OKAY.
03:28:04.538 DID YOU EVER GIVE SENATOR
03:28:06.840 FEINSTEIN OR ANYONE ELSE THE
03:28:08.542 PERMISSION TO RELEASE THAT
03:28:10.777 LETTER?
03:28:11.011 >> NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
03:28:13.713 NO.
03:28:14.548 >> OKAY.
03:28:17.651 BETWEEN THE LETTER DATE, JULY
03:28:20.354 30 AND AUGUST 7, DID YOU SPEAK
03:28:21.889 WITH ANY OTHER PERSON ABOUT
03:28:24.858 YOUR ALLEGATIONS?
03:28:25.258 >> COULD YOU SAY THE DATES
03:28:26.926 AGAIN.
03:28:27.160 >> BETWEEN THE LETTER DATE OF
03:28:29.864 JULY 30 AND AUGUST 7, SO WHILE
03:28:31.298 YOU WERE STILL IN DELAWARE, DID
03:28:32.900 YOU SPEAK WITH ANY OTHER PERSON
03:28:38.439 ABOUT YOUR ALLEGATIONS?
03:28:39.105 >> JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER
03:28:47.013 WHAT DATES.
03:28:47.347 >> YOU'RE ASKING HER WITH ANY
03:28:51.752 LAWYERS SHE COULD HAVE SPOKEN
03:28:53.186 WITH, CORRECT?
03:28:53.553 >> CORRECT.
03:28:55.055 >> CORRECT.
03:28:57.091 I THINK CORRECT.
03:28:58.926 I WAS INTERVIEWING LAWYERS.
03:29:02.696 I WAS NOT SPEAKING PERSONALLY
03:29:04.098 ABOUT IT.
03:29:04.365 >> ASIDE FROM LAWYERS THAT YOU
03:29:07.034 WERE SEEKING TO POSSIBLY HIRE
03:29:08.469 TO REPRESENT YOU, DID YOU SPEAK
03:29:10.371 TO ANYBODY ELSE ABOUT IT DURING
03:29:11.372 THAT PERIOD OF TIME?
03:29:12.640 >> NO.
03:29:13.440 >> OKAY.
03:29:13.974 >> I WAS STAYING WITH MY
03:29:15.809 PARENTS AT THE TIME.
03:29:16.276 >> DID YOU TALK TO THEM ABOUT
03:29:17.777 IT?
03:29:17.944 >> DEFINITELY NOT.
03:29:20.447 >> SO, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY
03:29:23.684 YOU RETAINED COUNSEL DURING
03:29:24.852 THAT TIME PERIOD OF JULY 30 TO
03:29:27.687 AUGUST 7?
03:29:27.954 >> I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT
03:29:30.691 DATE, BUT I WAS INTERVIEWING úL
03:29:34.595 TIME SITTING IN THE CAR, IN THE
03:29:35.996 DRIVEWAY, AND IN THE WALGREEN'S
03:29:41.869 PARKING LOT IN DELAWARE.
03:29:42.970 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE
03:29:44.772 WHOLE SYSTEM WORKS OF
03:29:45.673 INTERVIEWING LAWYERS AND HOW TO
03:29:48.742 PICK ONE, ETCETERA.
03:29:49.910 >> YOU TESTIFIED EARLIER THAT
03:29:52.279 YOU DIDN'T SEE THE NEED FOR
03:29:55.482 LAWYERS.
03:29:55.749 NOW YOU ARE TRYING TO HIRE
03:29:57.284 THEM.
03:29:57.551 WHAT MADE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND?
03:29:59.185 >> IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE
03:30:02.890 INDIVIDUALS THAT I HAD TOLD,
03:30:05.793 THE TOTAL NUMBER, THE TOTAL WAS
03:30:07.661 NOT VERY HIGH.
03:30:09.096 BUT THOSE PERSONS ADVISED ME TO
03:30:11.298 AT THIS POINT, GET A LAWYER FOR
03:30:13.600 ADVICE ABOUT WHETHER TO PUSH
03:30:15.602 FORWARD OR TO STAY BACK.
03:30:16.470 >> DID THAT INCLUDE
03:30:20.274 CONGRESSWOMAN ESHOO AND SENATOR
03:30:21.708 FEINSTEIN?
03:30:22.443 >> NO.
03:30:22.742 >> I WANT TO THANK DR. FORD úF
03:30:28.082 ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE HAD SAID
03:30:29.283 WE WOULD COME TO CALIFORNIA.
03:30:33.887 SENATOR BLOOMINGTHAL.
03:30:34.387 >> THANKS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:30:36.089 I WANT TO JOIN IN THANKING YOU
03:30:38.559 FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND TELL
03:30:44.465 YOU I HAVE FOUND YOUR TESTIMONY
03:30:48.302 POWERFUL AND CREDIBLE AND I
03:30:51.171 BELIEVE YOU.
03:30:51.872 YOU ARE A TEACHER, CORRECT?
03:30:53.206 >> CORRECT.
03:30:54.040 >> YOU HAVE GIVEN AMERICA AN
03:31:01.582 AMAZING TEACHING MOMENT AND YOU
03:31:02.683 MAY HAVE OTHER MOMENTS IN THE
03:31:05.586 CLASSROOM, BUT YOU HAVE
03:31:06.987 INSPIRED AND YOU HAVE
03:31:12.926 ENLIGHTENED AMERICA.
03:31:13.393 YOU HAVE INSPIRED AND GIVEN
03:31:16.230 COURAGE TO WOMEN TO COME
03:31:17.598 FORWARD AS THEY HAVE DONE TO
03:31:20.434 EVERY ONE OF OUR OFFICES AND
03:31:25.172 MANY OTHER PUBLIC PLACES.
03:31:26.306 YOU HAVE INSPIRED AND YOU HAVE
03:31:34.982 ENLIGHTENED MEN.
03:31:40.988 IN AMERICA.
03:31:41.321 THAT IS A PROFOUND PUBLIC
03:31:44.224 SERVICE REGARDLESS OF WHAT
03:31:46.927 HAPPENS WITH THIS NOMINATION.
03:31:49.229 AND SO THE TEACHERS OF AMERICA,
03:31:51.932 PEOPLE OF AMERICA SHOULD BE
03:31:53.333 REALLY PROUD OF WHAT YOU HAVE
03:31:55.736 DONE.
03:31:55.936 LET ME TELL YOU WHY I BELIEVE
03:31:58.472 YOU.
03:31:58.872 NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE PRIOR
03:32:00.974 CONSISTENT STATEMENTS AND THE
03:32:02.910 POLYGRAPH TEST AND YOUR REQUEST
03:32:04.978 FOR AN FBI INVESTIGATION AND
03:32:09.283 YOUR URGING THAT THIS COMMITTEE
03:32:10.984 HEAR FROM OTHER WITNESSES WHO
03:32:14.621 COULD CORROBORATE OR DISPUTE
03:32:18.058 YOUR STORY.
03:32:18.758 BUT ALSO YOU HAD BEEN VERY
03:32:20.627 HONEST ABOUT WHAT YOU CANNOT
03:32:28.135 REMEMBER.
03:32:29.136 AND SOMEONE COMPOSING A STORY
03:32:30.804 CAN MAKE IT ALL COME TOGETHER
03:32:37.377 IN A SEAMLESS WAY.
03:32:39.479 SOMEONE WHO IS HONEST, I SPEAK
03:32:41.081 FROM MY EXPERIENCE AS A
03:32:47.020 PROSECUTOR AS WELL, IS ALSO --
03:32:50.924 ABOUT WHAT HE OR SHE CANNOT
03:32:54.027 REMEMBER.
03:32:54.294 THE SENATORS ON THE OTHER SIDE
03:32:55.529 OF THE AISLE HAVE BEEN SILENT.
03:33:02.236 THIS PROCEDURE IS UNPRECEDENTED
03:33:03.904 IN A CONFIRMATION HEARING.
03:33:05.538 BUT I WANT TO QUOTE ONE OF MY
03:33:11.445 COLLEAGUES, SENATOR LINDSEY
03:33:12.012 GRAHAM, IN A BOOK THAT HE WROTE
03:33:14.715 IN 2015, WHEN HE WAS DESCRIBING
03:33:20.554 HIS OWN SERVICE.
03:33:21.788 VERY DISTINGUISHED SERVICE.
03:33:28.795 I'M NOT UNDER OATH.
03:33:36.236 HE SAID QUOTE, OF HIS
03:33:39.306 PROSECUTIONS OF RAPE CASES, I
03:33:44.110 LEARNED HOW MUCH UNEXPECTED
03:33:45.412 COURAGE FROM A DEEP AND HIDDEN
03:33:48.081 PLACE IT TAKES FOR A RAPE
03:33:50.450 VICTIM OR A SEXUALLY ABUSED
03:33:53.987 CHILD TO TESTIFY AGAINST THEIR
03:33:57.324 ASSAILANT.
03:33:57.624 I LEARNED HOW MUCH COURAGE FROM
03:33:59.059 A DEEP AND HIDDEN PLACE IT
03:34:01.128 TAKES FOR A RAPE VICTIM OR
03:34:04.331 SEXUALLY ABUSED CHILD TO
03:34:06.099 TESTIFY AGAINST THEIR
03:34:07.334 ASSAILANT.
03:34:07.634 IF WE AGREE ON NOTHING ELSE
03:34:11.004 TODAY, I HOPE ON A BIPARTISAN
03:34:14.608 BASIS, WE CAN AGREE ON HOW MUCH
03:34:17.511 COURAGE IT HAS TAKEN FOR YOU TO
03:34:20.113 COME FORWARD AND I THINK YOU
03:34:23.016 HAVE EARNED AMERICA'S
03:34:27.321 GRATITUDE.
03:34:27.621 NOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK
03:34:31.725 ABOUT YOUR REQUESTING AN FBI
03:34:34.561 INVESTIGATION.
03:34:34.928 YOU MENTIONED A POINT JUST A
03:34:37.064 FEW MINUTES AGO THAT YOU COULD
03:34:44.004 BETTER ESTIMATE THE TIME THAT
03:34:47.007 YOU RAN INTO MARK JUDGE IF YOU
03:34:49.309 KNEW THE TIME THAT HE WAS
03:34:52.713 WORKING AT THAT SUPERMARKET.
03:34:53.947 THAT'S A FACT THAT COULD BE
03:34:55.515 UNCOVERED BY AN FBI
03:35:01.188 INVESTIGATION THAT WOULD HELP
03:35:04.024 FURTHER -- YOUR ACCOUNT.
03:35:05.125 WOULD YOU LIKE MARK JUDGE TO BE
03:35:07.628 INTERVIEWED IN CONNECTION WITH
03:35:11.031 THE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION
03:35:12.498 AND THE SERIOUS CREDIBLE
03:35:13.934 ALLEGATIONS THAT YOU'VE MADE?
03:35:17.737 >> THAT WOULD BE MY
03:35:20.107 PREFERENCE.
03:35:20.407 I'M NOT SURE IT'S UP TO ME.
03:35:22.275 I CERTAINLY WOULD FEEL LIKE I
03:35:23.610 COULD BE MORE HELPFUL TO
03:35:25.412 EVERYONE IF I KNEW THE DATE
03:35:26.813 THAT HE WORKED AT THE SAFEWAY
03:35:28.415 SO THAT I COULD GIVE A MORE
03:35:31.018 SPECIFIC DATE OF THE ASSAULT.
03:35:32.352 >> IT'S NOT UP TO YOU.
03:35:33.720 IT'S UP TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE
03:35:36.323 UNITED STATES.
03:35:36.690 HIS FAILURE TO ASK FOR AN FBI
03:35:38.658 INVESTIGATION, IN MY VIEW, IS A
03:35:42.930 COVERUP.
03:35:43.196 THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:35:48.801 >> SENATOR FLAKE.
03:35:51.738 >> THANK YOU.
03:35:54.007 WE'VE HEARD THIS MORNING
03:35:55.208 SEVERAL TIMES THAT YOU DID TAKE
03:35:58.011 A POLYGRAPH.
03:35:58.344 THAT WAS ON AUGUST 7. IS THAT
03:36:01.248 RIGHT?
03:36:01.481 >> I BELIEVE SO.
03:36:02.882 THE DAY I WAS FLYING FROM BWI
03:36:05.785 TO MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE.
03:36:06.987 >> OKAY.
03:36:09.056 WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO TAKE A
03:36:13.860 POLYGRAPH?
03:36:14.160 >> I DIDN'T SEE ANY REASON NOT
03:36:16.863 TO DO IT.
03:36:17.130 >> WERE YOU ADVISED TO DO
03:36:21.468 THAT?
03:36:21.735 >> AGAIN, YOU ARE SEEMING TO
03:36:24.404 CALL FOR COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN
03:36:25.572 COUNSEL AND CLIENT.
03:36:26.339 I DON'T THINK YOU MEAN TO DO
03:36:28.008 THAT.
03:36:28.241 IF YOU DO, SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE
03:36:31.411 TO ANSWER THAT.
03:36:32.546 >> CONSOLE, COULD YOU LET HER
03:36:34.915 ANSWER THE EXTENT TO WHICH
03:36:39.519 DOESN'T VIOLATE THE
03:36:41.855 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN YOU AND
03:36:50.530 DR. FORD.
03:36:53.433 >> BASED ON THE ADVICE OF THE
03:37:05.212 COUNSEL, I WAS HAPPY TO UNDERGO
03:37:08.148 THE POLYGRAPH TEST, ALTHOUGH I
03:37:09.649 FOUND IT EXTREMELY STRESSFUL.
03:37:13.120 MUCH LONGER THAN I ANTICIPATED.
03:37:16.022 I TOLD MY WHOLE LIFE STORY, I
03:37:19.626 FELT LIKE.
03:37:19.926 I ENDURED IT.
03:37:20.894 IT WAS FINE.
03:37:22.062 >> I UNDERSTAND THEY CAN BE
03:37:24.364 THAT WAY.
03:37:24.630 HAVE YOU EVER TAKEN ANY OTHER
03:37:26.666 POLYGRAPHS IN YOUR LIFE?
03:37:27.667 >> NEVER.
03:37:28.601 >> OKAY.
03:37:30.937 YOU WENT TO SEE A GENTLEMAN BY
03:37:34.241 THE NAME OF JEREMIAH TO SERVE
03:37:37.244 AS THE PA LIG PALIGRAPHER.
03:37:45.351 DID ANYONE ADVISE YOU ON THAT
03:37:47.153 CHOICE?
03:37:47.420 >> YES.
03:37:48.254 I BELIEVE HIS NAME WAS JERRY.
03:37:51.124 >> JERRY HANAFEN.
03:37:53.259 >> YES.
03:37:54.361 DID ANYONE ADVISE YOU ON THAT
03:37:58.298 CHOICE?
03:37:58.565 >> YEAH, I DIDN'T CHOOSE HIM
03:38:01.968 MYSELF.
03:38:02.201 HE WAS THE PERSON THAT CAME TO
03:38:04.738 DO THE POLYGRAPH TEST.
03:38:05.438 >> HE ACTUALLY CONDUCTED THE
03:38:08.542 POLYGRAPH NOT IN HIS OFFICE IN
03:38:09.976 VIRGINIA, BUT ACTUALLY AT THE
03:38:13.747 HOTEL NEXT TO BALTIMORE
03:38:15.916 WASHINGTON AIRPORT.
03:38:16.349 IS THAT CORRECT?
03:38:17.416 >> CORRECT.
03:38:18.117 >> WHY WAS THAT LOCATION MADE?
03:38:20.353 >> I HAD LEFT MY GRANDMOTHER'S
03:38:24.290 FUNERAL THAT DAY AND WAS ON
03:38:26.293 TIGHT SCHEDULE TO GET A PLANE
03:38:28.461 TO MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE.
03:38:29.462 SO HE WAS WILLING TO COME TO
03:38:31.565 ME, WHICH WAS APPRECIATED.
03:38:32.699 >> SO HE ADMINISTERED A
03:38:34.968 POLYGRAPH ON THE DAY THAT YOU
03:38:37.037 ATTENDED YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S
03:38:38.572 FUNERAL?
03:38:38.839 >> CORRECT.
03:38:40.106 IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE NEXT
03:38:41.441 DAY.
03:38:41.641 I SPENT THE NIGHT IN A HOTEL.
03:38:46.146 I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DAY.
03:38:50.884 >> HAVE YOU EVER HAD
03:38:56.289 DISCUSSIONS WITH ANYONE BESIDES
03:38:58.191 YOUR ATTORNEYS ON HOW TO TAKE A
03:39:01.861 POLYGRAPH?
03:39:02.161 >> NEVER.
03:39:02.528 >> I DON'T JUST MEAN
03:39:06.199 COUNTERMEASURES, BUT I MEAN
03:39:07.267 JUST ANY SORT OF TIPS OR
03:39:10.437 ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
03:39:10.970 >> NO.
03:39:13.306 I WAS SCARED OF THE TEST
03:39:15.742 ITSELF, BUT WAS COMFORTABLE
03:39:18.678 THAT I COULD TELL THE
03:39:21.047 INFORMATION AND THE TEST WOULD
03:39:22.883 REVEAL WHATEVER IT WAS GOING TO
03:39:24.751 REVEAL.
03:39:24.984 I DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO BE AS
03:39:26.152 LONG AS IT WAS GOING TO BE.
03:39:27.754 IT WAS A LITTLE BIT STRESSFUL.
03:39:29.121 >> HAVE YOU EVER GIVEN TIPS OR
03:39:31.925 ADVICE TO SOMEONE WHO WAS
03:39:32.926 LOOKING TO TAKE A POLYGRAPH
03:39:34.394 TEST?
03:39:35.028 >> NEVER.
03:39:35.728 >> OKAY.
03:39:37.197 DID YOU PAY FOR THE POLYGRAPH
03:39:41.534 YOURSELF?
03:39:41.801 >> I DON'T THINK SO.
03:39:43.503 >> DO YOU KNOW WHO DID PAY FOR
03:39:45.671 THE POLYGRAPH?
03:39:46.072 >> NOT YET, NO.
03:39:53.746 >> YOU HAVE THE HANDWRITTEN
03:39:57.050 STATEMENT THAT YOU WROTE OUT.
03:39:59.586 DID ANYONE ASSIST YOU IN
03:40:03.323 WRITING THAT STATEMENT?
03:40:03.823 >> NO.
03:40:04.590 YOU CAN TELL HOW ANXIOUS I WAS
03:40:07.527 BY THE TERRIBLE HANDWRITING.
03:40:13.332 >> DID YOU -- WE TOUCHED ON IT
03:40:17.504 EARLIER.
03:40:17.771 DID YOU KNOW THE COMMITTEE
03:40:20.206 REQUESTED NOT ONLY THE CHART
03:40:21.408 FROM THE POLYGRAPH TEST, BUT
03:40:23.777 ALSO ANY AUDIO OR VIDEO
03:40:25.879 RECORDING OF THE POLYGRAPH
03:40:28.682 TEST.
03:40:29.649 >> NO.
03:40:29.949 >> WERE YOU AUDIO AND VIDEO
03:40:31.985 RECORDED WHEN YOU WERE TAKING
03:40:34.187 THAT TEST?
03:40:35.054 >> OKAY.
03:40:36.423 I REMEMBER BEING HOOKED UP TO A
03:40:39.025 MACHINE, LIKE BEING PLACED ON
03:40:42.529 TO MY BODY AND BEING ASKED A
03:40:45.699 LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CRYING A
03:40:49.102 LOT.
03:40:49.502 THAT'S MY PRIMARY MEMORY OF
03:40:52.105 THAT TEST.
03:40:53.573 I KNOW HE TOOK DETAIL INTO
03:40:54.974 EXPLANING WHAT HE WAS GOING TO
03:40:57.577 BE DOING, BUT I WAS JUST
03:40:59.979 FOCUSED ON WHAT I WAS GOING TO
03:41:01.548 SAY AND MY FEAR ABOUT THAT.
03:41:03.983 I WASN'T LISTENING TO EVERY
03:41:05.285 DETAIL ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS
03:41:07.020 AUDIO OR VIDEO RECORDED.
03:41:07.988 >> YOU WERE IN A HOTEL ROOM,
03:41:09.855 RIGHT?
03:41:10.390 >> CORRECT.
03:41:10.789 >> REGULAR HOTEL ROOM WITH A
03:41:13.526 BED AND BATHROOM?
03:41:13.926 >> NO.
03:41:14.728 IT WAS A CONFERENCE ROOM.
03:41:16.129 I WAS SITTING AT A CHAIR AND HE
03:41:18.298 WAS BEHIND ME.
03:41:18.665 >> DID YOU NOTE ANY CAMERAS IN
03:41:22.201 THE ROOM?
03:41:22.468 >> HE HAD A COMPUTER SET UP.
03:41:24.670 SO I GUESS I ASSUME HE WAS
03:41:27.707 SOMEHOW TAPING AND RECORDING
03:41:28.942 ME.
03:41:29.175 >> OKAY.
03:41:30.410 SO YOU ASSUMED YOU WERE BEING
03:41:32.612 VIDEO AND AUDIO RECORDED.
03:41:33.145 >> CORRECT.
03:41:34.079 >> BUT YOU DON'T KNOW FOR
03:41:35.414 SURE.
03:41:35.615 >> I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.
03:41:36.983 >> OKAY.
03:41:37.584 THANK YOU.
03:41:37.884 >> WE'RE GOING TO RECESS NOW
03:41:40.887 FOR HALF HOUR FOR LUNCH.
03:41:46.592 THANK YOU DR. FORD.
03:41:52.632 >>> YOU'RE WATCHING THE CBS
03:41:54.234 NEWS COVERAGE OF THE KAVANAUGH
03:41:55.869 HEARINGS LIVE FROM CAPITOL
03:41:56.836 HILL.
03:41:57.036 THEY ARE JUST NOW TAKING A
03:41:58.605 BREAK AT THE SENATE JUDICIARY
03:42:02.575 COMMITTEE HEARINGS.
03:42:03.008 CHAIRMAN CHUCK GRASSLEY JUST
03:42:05.912 ANNOUNCED A RECESS.
03:42:06.813 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD HAS BEEN
03:42:07.446 TESTIFYING FOR ABOUT TWO HOURS
03:42:08.915 ABOUT HER ALLEGATION THAT
03:42:10.250 SUPREME COURT NOMINEE, BRETT
03:42:13.153 KAVANAUGH, SEXUALLY ASSAULTED
03:42:13.753 HER IN HIGH SCHOOL.
03:42:14.220 >> WE HAVE HEARD A SERIES OF
03:42:16.322 QUESTIONS FOR MORE THAN HALF OF
03:42:19.692 THE DEMOCRATIC SENATORS.
03:42:21.194 RACHEL MITCHELL IS QUESTIONING
03:42:23.663 THE WITNESS.
03:42:24.030 BLASEY FORD TESTIFIED SHE IS
03:42:25.832 100% SURE AND SHE SAID THAT A
03:42:28.334 COUPLE TIMES.
03:42:28.968 THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH ATTACKED
03:42:32.305 HER.
03:42:32.505 JEFF GLOR JOINS US AT THE
03:42:34.240 TABLE.
03:42:34.473 WHAT STANDS OUT TO YOU FIRST?
03:42:35.407 >> IT'S BEEN THE CONTINUOUS
03:42:38.344 SWING, GAYLE, BETWEEN THESE BIG
03:42:39.946 EMOTIONAL SWEEPING STATEMENTS
03:42:40.580 WHEN WE HEAR FROM THE
03:42:42.215 DEMOCRATIC SENATORS AND THEN
03:42:43.817 RACHEL MITCHELL QUESTIONING ON
03:42:44.918 BEHALF OF THE REPUBLICANS IN
03:42:50.156 THIS VERY MICROLEVEL STEP BY
03:42:51.858 STEP, ALMOST A STERILE SORT OF
03:42:54.561 QUESTIONING.
03:42:54.894 THAT CONTINUES TO BE, I THINK,
03:42:56.095 ONE OF THE BIG THEMES HERE.
03:42:57.396 THE OTHER ONE THAT IS
03:42:58.531 DEVELOPING, YOU ARE HEARING,
03:43:00.066 WE'RE GOING TO SEE BRETT
03:43:02.669 KAVANAUGH LATER THIS AFTERNOON.
03:43:03.569 THE OTHER NAME YOU ARE HEARING,
03:43:07.006 MARK JUDGE.
03:43:07.306 WHERE IS MARK JUDGE?
03:43:07.940 >> RACHEL MICHELLE APPEARS TO
03:43:10.243 BE TRYING TO GO SOMEWHERE.
03:43:12.011 I'M NOT SURE WHERE SHE'S GOING.
03:43:14.647 WHEN YOU LOOK AT HER DEMEANOR,
03:43:17.016 DR. FORD'S DEMEANOR, HER TONE,
03:43:18.718 HER DEMEANOR SEEMS TO BE, HOW
03:43:20.520 CAN I HELP?
03:43:21.020 WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM ME?
03:43:23.022 THERE'S NOTHING EVASIVE ABOUT
03:43:25.258 HER TESTIMONY.
03:43:25.625 SHE WANTED AN FBI
03:43:26.960 INVESTIGATION, LAST TIME I
03:43:28.561 CHECKED, ANYBODY WHO HAS
03:43:29.362 SOMETHING TO HIDE IS NO THE
03:43:31.030 ASKING FOR AN FBI
03:43:32.198 INVESTIGATION.
03:43:32.565 >> AND IT GOES TO THE NATURE
03:43:34.367 OF THE WAY THEY HAVE OUTLINED
03:43:36.669 THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
03:43:37.136 THEY HAVE HER DO IT IN THESE
03:43:39.539 FIVE MINUTE INCRIMINATES.
03:43:40.539 YOU FEEL LIKE SHE'S DOING A
03:43:42.509 WITNESS INTERVIEW AS OPPOSED TO
03:43:44.811 CROSS EXAMINING SOMEONE IN A
03:43:46.446 COURTROOM AND ASKING FOR FACTS
03:43:48.615 AND TRYING TO FLUSH OUT THE
03:43:49.716 FACTS OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT
03:43:53.419 DAY.
03:43:53.720 SHE GETS ALONG A LINE OF
03:43:55.855 QUESTIONING, THE FIVE MINUTES
03:43:56.556 ARE UP AND IT GOES ELSEWHERE.
03:43:58.157 IT'S HARD TO SEE WHERE SHE MAY
03:43:59.259 BE GOING WITH THIS.
03:44:02.161 MAYBE THIS IS KIND OF FLUSHING
03:44:04.129 OUT SOME OF THE RECORD TO
03:44:05.365 SUGGEST, I DO THINK THEY ARE
03:44:06.766 LAYING SOME OF HER QUESTIONS.
03:44:09.502 SHE'S LAYING GROUNDWORK.
03:44:10.402 EVEN THOUGH SHE SAYS SHE IS
03:44:13.540 100% SURE.
03:44:13.840 IT IS POSSIBLE SHE DID
03:44:15.642 MISREMEMBER THIS EVENT AND MAY
03:44:17.644 BE OTHER WITNESSES.
03:44:18.544 YOU SAW HER CONTRADICT THE
03:44:19.412 NUMBERS OF PEOPLE AT THE PARTY.
03:44:20.946 SOME OF THE STATEMENTS SHE GAVE
03:44:22.215 TO THE WASHINGTON POST ARE
03:44:23.850 DIFFERENT.
03:44:24.150 AND SUGGESTING SHE CAME FORWARD
03:44:25.418 EARLY ON, BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T
03:44:26.252 WANT HIM TO BE THE NOMINEE.
03:44:28.621 AND THEN DEMOCRATS --
03:44:29.121 >> WHEN HE WAS ON THE SHORT
03:44:30.656 LIST.
03:44:30.857 >> AND YOU SEE THIS, DEMOCRATS
03:44:35.028 SAID ON THAT TO MANIPULATE HER.
03:44:36.362 SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE
03:44:38.364 SEEING.
03:44:38.597 IT'S HARD TO SEE WHERE SHE'S
03:44:39.566 GOING WITH SOME OF THIS.
03:44:40.733 >> NORA HAS BEEN LEADING OUR
03:44:42.368 COVERAGE FROM CAPITOL HILL.
03:44:43.670 NORA, WHAT IS YOUR BIG TAKE
03:44:46.940 AWAY FROM THIS SECOND ROUND OF
03:44:47.941 TESTIMONY?
03:44:48.241 >> TO FOLLOW OEN WHAT JAN IS
03:44:50.443 TALKING ABOUT, I THINK WHAT YOU
03:44:52.045 SEE IS THE GENTLE, BUT POINTED
03:44:54.547 QUESTIONING FROM THE SPECIAL
03:44:56.149 PROSECUTOR WHO IS REPRESENTING
03:44:57.150 THE REPUBLICAN.
03:44:57.650 I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE IS IN
03:45:00.453 DOUBT, BUT ASKING MORE SPECIFIC
03:45:02.455 QUESTIONING THAT GO TO THIS
03:45:04.057 QUESTION OF CREDIBILITY.
03:45:04.723 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN
03:45:05.592 TALKING FROM THE VERY
03:45:07.460 BEGINNING.
03:45:07.760 SPECIFICALLY, SHE ASKED THE
03:45:08.394 QUESTION ABOUT THE THERAPIST
03:45:10.196 NOTES.
03:45:10.463 REMEMBER THAT THE FIRST
03:45:13.366 CORROBORATING ACCOUNT WAS THAT
03:45:14.267 SHE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH HER
03:45:16.535 THERAPIST IN 2012 WHEN SHE WENT
03:45:18.738 FOR MARRIAGE COUNSELING.
03:45:19.338 SO THE QUESTION WAS, DID YOU
03:45:21.941 NAME BRETT KAVANAUGH THEN IN
03:45:23.876 2012?
03:45:24.143 SHE SAID NO.
03:45:25.010 WHEN SHE TOLD HER HUSBAND,
03:45:26.946 BEFORE THEY WERE MARRIED THAT
03:45:28.848 SHE EXPERIENCED A SEXUAL
03:45:29.849 ASSAULT, DID SHE TELL HER
03:45:31.818 HUSBAND AT THE TIME THE NAME,
03:45:32.719 THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON, NO.
03:45:34.987 JUST A QUESTION.
03:45:36.355 WHY, WHY NOT?
03:45:37.890 WHY DIDN'T SHE NAME HIS NAME?
03:45:40.493 SHE'S JUST GETTING TO THAT.
03:45:41.794 A QUESTION TO RAISE WHAT MAY BE
03:45:44.797 DOUBTS TO ADD TO THE STORY LINE
03:45:46.799 THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED.
03:45:47.700 THE OTHER QUESTION I THINK THAT
03:45:49.569 I WAS LOOKING BACK CLOSELY, THE
03:45:51.004 QUESTION OF THE MAP.
03:45:52.271 WHY POINT OUT THE DISTANCE
03:45:54.674 BETWEEN COLUMBIA COUNTRY CLUB,
03:45:55.541 WHERE THE HOUSE WAS, AND WHERE
03:45:59.646 CHRISTINE BLASEY LIVED WHEN SHE
03:46:00.913 WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
03:46:02.982 THE MAP SHOWED ESSENTIALLY A
03:46:05.652 DISTANCE.
03:46:05.919 IT'S ABOUT 8.2 MILES BETWEEN
03:46:06.753 HER HOUSE AND COLUMBIA COUNTRY
03:46:09.689 CLUB.
03:46:09.889 IT'S ABOUT 6.2 MILES BETWEEN
03:46:10.890 HER HOUSE AND WHERE THIS
03:46:13.993 ALLEGED ASSAULT TOOK PLACE.
03:46:15.027 AFTER YOU ARE ASSAULTED, HOW
03:46:17.096 DID YOU GET HOME?
03:46:17.797 WOULD YOU HAVE REMEMBERED THAT?
03:46:19.498 WHY DIDN'T YOU REMEMBER HOW YOU
03:46:22.368 GOT HOME?
03:46:22.635 YOU KNOW.
03:46:22.901 THAT KIND OF LINE OF
03:46:24.470 QUESTIONING, IT'S JUST ADDING
03:46:25.471 TO THIS STORY LINE ABOUT
03:46:27.407 REMEMBERING THAT EVENT.
03:46:28.808 I THINK SHE'S JUST, LIKE YOU
03:46:30.476 GUYS SAID, IT'S HARD TO SEE
03:46:32.679 WHERE THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR IS
03:46:34.380 GOING, EXCEPT SHE SEEMS TO BE
03:46:36.149 SLOWLY TRYING TO STITCH
03:46:37.550 SOMETHING TOGETHER.
03:46:37.983 THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS IT OR
03:46:39.752 IS IT JUST KNICKS IN HER
03:46:43.789 CREDIBILITY?
03:46:44.123 >> ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT
03:46:46.225 EACH TIME AS NORA OUTLINED,
03:46:49.095 SOME QUESTIONING HAVE BEEN
03:46:52.198 ASKED, IS THEN INTERRUPTED BY
03:46:54.500 CHARACTER WITNESSES BY THE
03:46:55.468 DEMOCRATS AND THE VERY
03:46:56.769 TESTIMONY OF DR. FORD HERSELF.
03:46:57.637 AND SO IF SOMEBODY IS WEIGHING
03:46:58.771 IN THIS THE COURT OF PUBLIC
03:47:00.573 OPINION, THIS IS NOT A COURT.
03:47:02.342 IT'S A POLITICAL EVENT.
03:47:03.842 THEY ARE SEEING ANSWERS BY A
03:47:05.011 WITNESS WHO IS TRYING TO BE
03:47:06.979 VERY SPECIFIC, EVEN THE
03:47:08.648 ADJECTIVES, SHE IS TRYING TO BE
03:47:10.583 HELPFUL, AS YOU SAID, GAYLE,
03:47:12.118 AND THAT IS BEING WEIGHED
03:47:14.053 AGAINST SMALL QUESTIONS HERE
03:47:16.723 AND THERE.
03:47:19.025 THERE IS CONTEMPORANEOUS
03:47:19.726 READINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN TAKE
03:47:21.494 ABOUT HER CHARACTER AS OPPOSED
03:47:22.928 TO DOUBTS THAT MIGHT HAVE
03:47:24.063 HAPPENED.
03:47:24.330 >> THEY ARE TRYING TO CONDUCT
03:47:25.798 A LEGAL AND POLITICAL EVENT AT
03:47:28.701 THE SAME TIME.
03:47:29.068 IT'S WORTH, AS YOU GUYS HAVE
03:47:30.770 MENTIONED, IT'S WORTH ASKING
03:47:32.805 THE QUESTION WHETHER THERE MAY
03:47:33.806 NOT BE THIS AH-HA MOMENT.
03:47:36.408 SHE IS DELIBERATELY GOING
03:47:37.142 THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
03:47:38.611 I THINK THERE'S AN EXPECTATION
03:47:40.279 SOME HAVE THAT SHE'S TRYING TO
03:47:42.582 REACH SOME CRESCENDO.
03:47:43.482 I THINK IT'S WORTH ASKING THE
03:47:45.785 QUESTION OF WHETHER SHE'LL
03:47:47.186 CONTINUE ALONG AT THIS PACE TO
03:47:50.022 ASK THESE QUESTIONS OF
03:47:51.324 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD.
03:47:51.824 >> THE MORE YOU HEAR DR. FORD
03:47:53.926 SPEAK, THE MORE YOU THINK THAT
03:47:55.328 SHE IS DOING EVERYTHING SHE CAN
03:47:57.530 TO HELP.
03:47:58.130 SHE'S NOT BEING EVASIVE.
03:48:00.098 SHE'S SIMPLE ABOUT HER PROCESS.
03:48:01.500 SHE SAID ALL ALONG.
03:48:02.768 I JUST WANTED TO DO MY CIVIC
03:48:05.505 DUTY.
03:48:05.705 SHE TALKS ABOUT HER BEACH
03:48:07.006 FRIENDS WHO GAVE HER ADVICE TO
03:48:08.508 GET THIS INTO THE PUBLIC
03:48:10.510 ATMOSPHERE.
03:48:10.810 SHE DIDN'T WANT TO GO TO THE
03:48:12.512 MEDIA.
03:48:12.745 HER BEACH FRIENDS SUGGESTED
03:48:13.613 THAT YOU GO TO YOUR
03:48:15.214 CONGRESSWOMAN.
03:48:15.581 YOU GO TO YOUR CONGRESSPERSON
03:48:16.515 AND GET IT OUT THAT WAY.
03:48:17.884 AND THEN AFTER SHE WENT TO HER
03:48:19.485 BEACH FRIENDS, SHE IS SITTING
03:48:20.753 IN A PARKING LOT IN WALGREEN'S
03:48:25.057 TRYING TO PICK A LAWYER.
03:48:26.558 THERE WAS NOTHING SOPHISTICATED
03:48:28.027 OR STRATEGIC IN HOW SHE WAS
03:48:29.462 TRYING TO GET THIS TO THE
03:48:31.363 PUBLIC DOMAIN.
03:48:31.730 >> AND I THINK WHEN YOU THINK
03:48:34.133 ABOUT KIND OF SOME OF THE
03:48:36.235 THINGS THAT NORA LAYED OUT,
03:48:38.604 REALLY INTERESTING CLUES OF
03:48:40.506 WHERE RACHEL MITCHELL MAY BE
03:48:42.074 GOING WITH THIS.
03:48:42.909 OBVIOUSLY REPUBLICANS DID NOT
03:48:43.810 WANT TO REPEAT WHAT HAPPENED IN
03:48:46.479 1991, WHERE THEY WERE SEEN AS
03:48:50.116 GRILLING ANITA HILL.
03:48:50.583 SO THIS IS HOW THIS ALL CAME
03:48:52.585 ABOUT.
03:48:52.818 THEY WILL HAVE THIS SEASONED
03:48:54.921 PROSECUTOR FROM OUTSIDE OF
03:48:56.556 WASHINGTO, D.C. ASK THE
03:48:58.725 QUESTIONS.
03:48:59.025 AND YOU KNOW, I THINK JUST
03:49:00.092 BASED ON SOME OF THE SOURCES
03:49:02.228 I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM, IF
03:49:04.230 YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN SENATOR,
03:49:05.531 YOU'RE NOT SO UNHAPPY WITH HOW
03:49:06.833 THIS IS GOING RIGHT NOW,
03:49:09.736 BECAUSE DESPITE LINDSEY GRAHAM
03:49:10.636 JUMPING IN, THEY ARE NOT
03:49:12.805 SITTING THERE ANSWERING THE
03:49:17.110 QUESTIONING.
03:49:17.443 OR THE COMMITTEE, OR FORD
03:49:19.712 HERSELF.
03:49:19.979 WHO THIS LOOKS VERY FAIR TO THE
03:49:22.114 AMERICAN PEOPLE.
03:49:22.915 BUT THE QUESTION IS, IT'S NOT
03:49:24.216 REALLY A CROSS EXAM IN ADDITION
03:49:25.218 THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT.
03:49:27.753 SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR
03:49:30.923 BRETT KAVANAUGH?
03:49:31.323 WHO WILL PUT THESE DOTS
03:49:33.626 TOGETHER?
03:49:33.893 WHEN WILL THE SENATORS SAY, WE
03:49:36.629 HAVE THIS ABOUT THE MAP, WE
03:49:38.264 HAVE THIS ABOUT LOUD MUSIC, BUT
03:49:40.032 IT WAS QUIET DOWNSTAIRS.
03:49:41.534 WHY WAS YOUR GIRLFRIEND NOT
03:49:42.535 THINK IT WAS WEIRD SHE HEARD
03:49:45.304 LOUD MUSIC.
03:49:45.604 WHO WILL PUT THOSE DOTS
03:49:46.806 TOGETHER?
03:49:47.073 WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
03:49:47.740 >> I UNDERSTAND ED O'KEIF WILL
03:49:53.613 JOIN US.
03:49:53.880 >> THIS WOMAN IS HAVING TO
03:49:55.915 TELL HER STORY TO AMERICA.
03:49:57.883 AND SHE IS DOING AN
03:50:00.219 EXTRAORDINARY JOB IN RECALLING
03:50:02.688 WHAT SHE CAN AND STANDING UP TO
03:50:04.323 THE QUESTIONS FROM A
03:50:08.127 PROFESSIONAL PROSECUTOR AND I
03:50:09.262 AM PROUD OF HOW SHE'S DOING.
03:50:11.563 >> CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE
03:50:14.667 EMOTION IN THE ROOM?
03:50:15.934 >> WELL, FOR ME, THE MEMORY OF
03:50:19.505 SO MANY WOMEN THAT HAVE COME
03:50:23.109 FORWARD IN MY OLD JOB.
03:50:24.410 I SAW WOMEN LIKE HER COME
03:50:25.912 FORWARD AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS
03:50:27.513 EASY AT ALL.
03:50:28.414 AND SHE CLEARLY WAS TRYING TO
03:50:30.817 KEEP IT CONFIDENTIAL.
03:50:31.650 SHE STRUGGLED WITH WHAT TO DO.
03:50:33.085 WHEN THE REPORTER SHOWED UP AT
03:50:35.021 HER DOORSTEP, AS SHE FINALLY
03:50:37.456 DECIDED THAT SHE COULDN'T KEEP
03:50:39.659 SILENT AND SHE CAME FORWARD.
03:50:40.559 >> IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'VE
03:50:42.261 HEARD SO FAR THIS MORNING THAT
03:50:45.064 POTENTIALLY CHANGES WHAT YOU
03:50:46.165 WANT TO ASK OF JUDGE KAVANAUGH
03:50:47.900 LATER TODAY?
03:50:48.233 >> I DON'T THINK SO.
03:50:49.735 SHE HAS BEEN VERY SOLID.
03:50:51.637 I THINK TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AS
03:50:54.207 MOST OF AMERICA MUST BE
03:50:55.508 FRUSTRATED THAT WE DON'T HAVE
03:50:57.510 THAT FBI BACKGROUND CHECK
03:50:59.111 REOPENED.
03:50:59.512 SHE SAID SHE COULD BETTER
03:51:01.047 RECALL THE TIME PERIOD IF SHE
03:51:02.648 KNEW WHEN MARK JUDGE WORKED AT
03:51:04.150 THE SAFEWAY AND HE IS HIDING
03:51:05.418 OUT AT A BEACH HOUSE IN
03:51:07.620 DELAWARE AND SHE IS SIMPLY
03:51:08.854 TRYING TO GET THAT INFORMATION
03:51:11.757 AND THE FBI COULD OPEN THAT UP
03:51:13.859 AT THE REQUEST OF THE PRESIDENT
03:51:15.661 OR THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS
03:51:16.862 ASKING THE PRESIDENT TO OPEN IT
03:51:19.732 UP.
03:51:19.898 THAT HASN'T HAPPENED.
03:51:20.432 I THOUGHT THE OTHER INTERESTING
03:51:23.069 THING WAS THAT THERE APPEARED
03:51:24.704 TO BE SOME INITIAL OBJECTION TO
03:51:27.440 PUTTING THE POLYGRAPH TEST IN
03:51:29.008 WHEN THAT IS USED ALL THE TIME
03:51:31.243 BY THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT, BY
03:51:33.346 THE FBI, BY THE CIA.
03:51:35.414 THIS IS A JOB INTERVIEW FOR THE
03:51:36.749 HIGHEST COURT IN THE LAND.
03:51:39.618 WE'RE SIMPLY TRYING TO PUT IN
03:51:41.721 SOME RECORDS THAT SHOW HER
03:51:43.255 TRUTHFULNESS.
03:51:43.589 >> WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THOSE
03:51:45.992 MAPS, DO YOU THINK?
03:51:46.425 >> I DON'T KNOW.
03:51:47.359 I GUESS WE WILL HAVE TO FIND
03:51:49.762 OUT.
03:51:49.962 SHE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION
03:51:51.030 HONESTLY.
03:51:51.296 >> WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT
03:51:53.666 RACHEL MITCHELL --
03:51:54.099 >> WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE
03:51:56.569 OVERALL MOVEMENT?
03:51:56.969 WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR OTHER
03:51:58.337 VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT WHEN
03:52:00.940 SHE TESTIFIES LIKE THIS?
03:52:01.807 >> AS I SAID FOR SO LONG,
03:52:03.843 THESE KINDS OF CASES HAVE BEEN
03:52:05.544 SWEPT UNDER THE RUG.
03:52:07.046 THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN A HOUSE
03:52:08.848 WERE NOT ALLOWED TO BE IN A
03:52:12.051 COURTHOUSE.
03:52:12.351 THAT'S DIFFERENT TODAY.
03:52:12.985 THEY ARE IN THE COURTHOUSE OF
03:52:15.487 AMERICA AND THEY WILL MAKE A
03:52:18.257 DECISION.
03:52:18.524 THEY WILL HELP, I HOPE, MY
03:52:20.092 COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF
03:52:21.394 THE AISLE TO MAKE A DECISION
03:52:23.663 ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO SERVE IN
03:52:25.497 THE HIGHEST COURTHOUSE OF THE
03:52:29.301 LAND.
03:52:29.501 ONE LAST THING.
03:52:29.868 >> THERE YOU HAVE SENATOR AMY,
03:52:34.940 FORMER PROSECUTOR HERSELF.
03:52:35.607 ALSO AS A GRADUATE OF YALE
03:52:38.844 UNIVERSITY TALKING ABOUT WHAT
03:52:40.446 SHE SAW.
03:52:40.712 SHE PUT INTO THE RECORD THE
03:52:42.748 RESULTS OF THAT POLYGRAPH TEST.
03:52:45.551 BUT AS YOU SEE HERE, EACH SIDE
03:52:47.753 IS DUG IN ON US AND IT'S NOT
03:52:49.288 CLEAR THAT ANYONE THERE ON THAT
03:52:50.890 COMMITTEE HAS CHANGED THEIR
03:52:52.391 VIEW.
03:52:52.591 THAT'S QUITE FRANKLY NOT REALLY
03:52:53.592 WHO IT IS DIRECTED TO.
03:52:55.694 IT'S SOME OF THESE MODERATE
03:52:57.797 SENATORS WHO WILL DECIDE JUDGE
03:53:00.599 KAVANAUGH'S VOTE.
03:53:01.100 A COUPLE PIECES OF INFORMATION,
03:53:02.568 THE WHITE HOUSE HAVE BEEN
03:53:03.869 WATCHING ALL OF THIS, INCLUDING
03:53:05.037 THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
03:53:06.439 STATES HAS BEEN WATCHING THIS
03:53:08.941 TESTIMONY BY DR. FORD.
03:53:09.942 WE ARE ALSO TOLD THAT JUDGE
03:53:12.178 KAVANAUGH HAS WATCHED HER
03:53:13.446 TESTIMONY.
03:53:13.946 HE HAS JUST RECENTLY LEFT HIS
03:53:16.248 HOME UP IN MARYLAND TO HEAD
03:53:18.150 DOWN HERE TO CAPITOL HILL FOR
03:53:20.553 HIS PART OF THE TESTIMONY WHERE
03:53:22.587 HE WILL HAVE TO ANSWER THAT
03:53:23.989 QUESTION ABOUT HIS OWN
03:53:25.191 CHARACTER, ABOUT HIS OWN
03:53:27.493 CREDIBILITY, AS DR. FORD HAS
03:53:30.896 SAID SHE IS 100% SURE THAT IT
03:53:32.998 WAS BRETT KAVANAUGH WHO
03:53:35.301 SEXUALLY ASSAULTED HER MORE
03:53:37.470 THAN 36 YEARS AGO.
03:53:38.571 NANCY CORDES AND I HAVE BEEN
03:53:40.239 SITTING HIP TO HIP WATCHING
03:53:42.541 THESE HEARINGS.
03:53:43.008 EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED SO
03:53:44.543 FAR.
03:53:44.743 WHAT HAS STOOD OUT TO YOU?
03:53:45.778 >> I THINK WHAT'S INTERESTING
03:53:48.748 IS THAT RACHEL MITCHELL, THE
03:53:50.583 PROSECUTOR WHO IS WORKING ON
03:53:52.351 BEHALF OF THE SENATE JUDICIARY
03:53:55.287 REPUBLICANS IS CLEARLY TRYING
03:53:56.689 TO POKE HOLES GENTLY IN
03:54:00.493 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD'S
03:54:02.495 CREDIBILITY.
03:54:02.828 ASKING HER, FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER
03:54:04.296 BLASEY FORD SAID ONE OF THE
03:54:07.032 LASTING IMPACTS OF THIS TRAUMA
03:54:08.100 IS SHE HAS A FEAR OF ENCLOSED
03:54:10.703 SPACES.
03:54:10.936 SHE WANTED TWO FRONT DOORS TO
03:54:11.971 HER HOUSE, WHICH IS NOT
03:54:13.639 PLEASING FROM THE STREET.
03:54:14.172 >> SHE DOESN'T LIKE TO FLY.
03:54:17.476 SO THEN YOU HEARD THE
03:54:19.478 PROSECUTOR SAY, WELL WHY IS IT
03:54:21.180 THEN THAT YOU HAVE TRAVELED TO
03:54:23.582 THE SOUTH PACIFIC AND COSTA
03:54:26.085 RICA AND HAWAII TO SURF?
03:54:28.087 AND WHAT BLASEY FORD SAID WAS
03:54:29.488 THAT IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR ME
03:54:31.824 TO FLY ON VACATION THAN IT IS
03:54:33.626 TO COME BACK HERE TO THE EAST
03:54:35.794 COAST.
03:54:36.027 I ONLY DO IT ONCE A YEAR.
03:54:37.796 IT'S AN APPROACH LIKE THAT,
03:54:41.800 RESPECTFUL, NOT
03:54:42.167 CONFRONTATIONAL, THIS IS NOT 12
03:54:44.236 ANGRY MEN, BUT STILL TRYING TO
03:54:46.105 FIND HOLES IN HER STORY AND IN
03:54:47.773 HER CREDIBILITY.
03:54:48.173 >> SO THEN HERE'S THE QUESTION
03:54:50.743 FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT,
03:54:52.178 WHICH IS THAT WHILE RACHEL HAS
03:54:56.482 PERHAPS HELPED THE REPUBLICANS,
03:54:59.018 BECAUSE SHE HAS DONE VERY
03:55:03.522 CAREFUL POINTED QUESTIONS IN A
03:55:06.225 SERIOUS AND PROFESSIONAL WAY.
03:55:10.529 HAS IT BENEFITED JUDGE
03:55:12.331 KAVANAUGH?
03:55:12.631 HAS IT BENEFITED THOSE IN THE
03:55:14.266 KAVANAUGH CAMP?
03:55:14.633 THOSE IN THE WHITE HOUSE?
03:55:15.667 SPECIFICALLY THE PRESIDENT OF
03:55:16.402 THE UNITED STATES THAT BELIEVE
03:55:17.703 THEY HAVE NOT BEEN TOUGH ENOUGH
03:55:19.471 PUSHING BACK ON THIS PARTICULAR
03:55:21.073 WITNESS ACCOUNT.
03:55:21.473 >> I THINK SHE IS ABLE TO LOOK
03:55:24.477 FOR THOSE CREDIBILITY GAPS IN A
03:55:28.080 MORE SUSTAINED WAY THAN A BUNCH
03:55:30.482 OF REPUBLICAN SENATORS ALL
03:55:32.550 COMING LOADED WOULD BE ABLE TO.
03:55:35.353 SHE IS GOING METHODICALLY
03:55:37.623 THROUGH BLASEY FORD'S
03:55:39.024 BACKGROUND, THROUGH HER STORY.
03:55:40.359 YOU DIDN'T ORIGINALLY WANT TO
03:55:41.927 HIRE A LAWYER.
03:55:42.428 WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO HIRE A
03:55:44.430 LAWYER?
03:55:44.797 IN A LOT OF THESE CASES, FORD
03:55:47.733 HAS BELIEVABLE ANSWERS.
03:55:48.266 WELL, AT FIRST I NEVER BEEN IN
03:55:49.634 A SITUATION LIKE THIS.
03:55:50.636 I DIDN'T THINK I NEEDED A
03:55:52.605 LAWYER.
03:55:52.838 BUT THEN ALL MY FRIENDS ON THE
03:55:55.507 BEACH STARTED SAYING, YOU
03:55:56.742 SHOULD GET A LAWYER.
03:55:57.309 WHY DID YOU GET A POLYGRAPH?
03:55:59.511 I WAS TOLD THAT WOULD BE A GOOD
03:56:02.915 IDEA.
03:56:03.115 WHICH FROM A 51-YEAR-OLD MOTHER
03:56:04.616 OF TWO, SHE ANSWERS THOSE
03:56:06.518 QUESTIONS LIKE MY FRIENDS TOLD
03:56:07.519 ME IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.
03:56:09.755 SHE HAS REASONABLE EXPLANATIONS
03:56:12.925 ONE MIGHT SAY TO THESE ANSWERS.
03:56:14.225 >> YES.
03:56:14.927 IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN AND
03:56:16.362 YOU'RE LOOKING POLITICALLY FOR
03:56:17.930 A REASON TO SAY, NO, EVEN AFTER
03:56:20.432 ALL OF THIS, EVEN THOUGH SHE
03:56:21.934 GAVE CREDIBLE ANSWERS, I STILL
03:56:24.536 BELIEVE JUDGE KAVANAUGH.
03:56:25.103 THEY ARE LOOKING TO MITCHELL TO
03:56:28.107 FIND THOSE EXAMPLES WHERE HER
03:56:29.208 STORY MIGHT NOT LINE UP.
03:56:30.775 WHY DOESN'T SHE KNOW HOW SHE
03:56:32.544 GOT 6 OR 8 MILES HOME THAT
03:56:34.513 NIGHT?
03:56:34.746 THAT MAY BE ENOUGH FOR THEM
03:56:36.515 POLITICALLY TO SAY, I STILL
03:56:37.850 BELIEVE KAVANAUGH.
03:56:38.283 >> THIS IS WHAT WE'VE LEARNED
03:56:41.220 THIS MORNING, IS THAT THIS
03:56:43.055 ALLEGATION AGAINST JUDGE
03:56:43.856 KAVANAUGH HAS COME FROM A VERY
03:56:46.258 CREDIBLE WOMAN.
03:56:46.625 AND IN THE WORDS OF SENATOR
03:56:49.027 FEINSTEIN, SHE SAID THIS
03:56:50.262 MORNING, THIS IS A JOB
03:56:51.964 INTERVIEW FOR JUDGE KAVANAUGH.
03:56:53.365 AND THE STAKES I THINK ARE EVEN
03:56:55.267 HIGHER NOW FOR THE TESTIMONY
03:56:58.003 THAT HE GIVES COMING UP AFTER
03:56:59.638 THEY FINISH WITH DR. FORD.
03:57:00.706 WHAT IS HE GOING TO SAY TO
03:57:03.008 ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ABOUT
03:57:04.410 WHETHER HE WAS INVOLVED AND
03:57:05.343 WHAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS VERY
03:57:08.380 SERIOUS ASSAULT.
03:57:08.780 >> IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT
03:57:11.316 TEST.
03:57:11.617 ALL HE REALLY CAN SAY IS, I
03:57:14.753 WASN'T THERE.
03:57:15.654 HOW MANY WAYS CAN YOU SAY, I
03:57:19.024 WASN'T THERE.
03:57:19.391 THE PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME BEST
03:57:21.660 SAID I HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING
03:57:23.362 LIKE THIS.
03:57:23.862 WHEN YOU ARE GRILLED FOR TWO
03:57:24.763 HOURS WITH THOSE QUESTIONS,
03:57:26.765 IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND A NEW
03:57:28.133 WAY TO SAY IT.
03:57:28.567 >> YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT
03:57:31.070 IT THERE, JEFF, GAYLE, JAN.
03:57:32.237 >> I THINK THE POINT NANCY WAS
03:57:35.441 MAKING IS QUITE RIGHT.
03:57:36.641 WE HAVE SEEN DR. FORD GIVE
03:57:39.011 DETAILS, BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT
03:57:40.112 A WHOLE SET OF MEMORIES.
03:57:42.280 BRETT KAVANAUGH, WHEN HE COMES
03:57:43.816 FORWARD, HE CAN'T BE DETAILED
03:57:44.917 ABOUT A THING THAT DOESN'T
03:57:46.618 HAPPEN.
03:57:47.019 AND THEREFORE, HIS TESTIMONY,
03:57:49.121 HIS PERIOD BEFORE QUESTIONING
03:57:50.823 WILL BE JUST SO VERY MUCH
03:57:52.825 DIFFERENT.
03:57:53.125 >> HE'S ALSO SAID, I BELIEVE
03:57:54.760 THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED TO HER.
03:57:56.128 I'M SAYING IT WAS NOT ME.
03:57:58.464 HE'S BEEN VERY, VERY CLEAR
03:57:59.765 ABOUT THAT.
03:58:00.265 HE'S NOT DISPUTING SOMETHING
03:58:01.567 HAPPENED TO HER.
03:58:02.067 HE IS JUST SAYING I WAS NOT THE
03:58:03.869 PERSON.
03:58:04.269 >> IF HIS ANSWER IS, THAT
03:58:05.738 WASN'T ME, IT GIVES THE
03:58:07.272 DEMOCRATIC SENATORS TO ASK HIM
03:58:08.640 ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
03:58:10.008 HOW MUCH DID YOU DRINK IN HIGH
03:58:12.544 SCHOOL?
03:58:12.777 WHAT KIND OF -- GOING TO ALL
03:58:14.780 THESE DETAILS ABOUT HIS
03:58:16.314 PERSONAL LIFE THAT I EXPECT
03:58:17.750 YOU'LL SEE THIS AFTERNOON.
03:58:18.817 >> DR. FORD HAS NOT BEEN ON
03:58:21.220 TRIAL THIS MORNING, BUT JUDGE
03:58:23.155 KAVANAUGH WILL BE ON TRIAL THIS
03:58:25.057 AFTERNOON.
03:58:25.457 THEY ARE GOING TO GRILL HIM.
03:58:27.059 EXACTLY ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST
03:58:28.794 TALKED ABOUT.
03:58:29.361 NOT ONLY ABOUT HIS SEXUAL
03:58:31.263 HISTORY, WHAT HE HAS SAID IN
03:58:32.264 THE PAST ABOUT HIS SEXUAL
03:58:34.566 HISTORY.
03:58:34.967 HOW MUCH HE DRANK, WHETHER HE
03:58:38.337 WAS THE TREASURER OF A GROUP
03:58:39.538 THAT WANTED TO DRINK 100 KEGS
03:58:42.207 IN THEIR SENIOR YEAR.
03:58:42.808 THEY ARE GOING TO TEST HIM.
03:58:44.609 >> AND NORA, YOU HEARD THE
03:58:46.245 CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE,
03:58:48.714 CHUCK GRASSLEY, VERY EXPRESSLY
03:58:49.448 AT THE START OF THIS HEARING
03:58:51.016 TRY TO SET SOME GROUND RULES
03:58:53.652 AND SAY WE'RE TALKING JUST
03:58:55.688 ABOUT THIS ONE CASE.
03:58:56.788 THESE DEMOCRAT SENATORS WILL
03:58:57.556 WANT TO ASK HIM ABOUT THE OTHER
03:59:00.259 ACCUSERS AS WELL.
03:59:01.059 JOHN.
03:59:02.728 >> JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT WE
03:59:14.673 HAVE QUITE A FULL DAY OF
03:59:15.674 TESTIMONY HERE AND THEN OF
03:59:18.444 COURSE ALL OF THE ANALYSIS
03:59:19.611 AFTERWARDS.
03:59:19.912 >> WE'LL BE HERE ALL AFTERNOON
03:59:22.147 AND THEN FOR THE EVENING NEWS
03:59:24.183 TONIGHT.
03:59:24.450 >> JAN, JEFF, GAYLE KING,
03:59:26.018 THANKS SO MUCH, NORAH AND NANCY
03:59:28.020 AND FOR ALL OF YOU, THANKS FOR
03:59:31.156 WATCHING.
03:59:33.358 WATCHING.
03:59:38.930 >>> NOW LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT
03:59:40.399 SOME OF THE MOST POWERFUL
03:59:42.167 MOMENTS OF THE TESTIMONY SO
03:59:43.702 FAR.
03:59:43.902 >> BOTH DR. FORD AND JUDGE
03:59:46.905 KAVANAUGH HAVE BEEN THROUGH A
03:59:50.709 TERRIBLE COUPLE WEEKS.
03:59:52.511 THEY AND THEIR FAMILIES HAVE
03:59:55.948 RECEIVED VIAL THREATS.
03:59:56.815 WHAT THEY HAVE ENDURED OUGHT TO
03:59:58.650 BE CONSIDERED BY ALL OF US AS
04:00:03.689 UNACCEPTABLE AND A POOR
04:00:05.958 REFLECTION ON THE STATE OF
04:00:08.794 CIVILITY IN OUR DEMOCRACY.
04:00:10.896 SO I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU
04:00:13.398 BOTH FOR THE WAY YOU'VE BEEN
04:00:17.069 TREATED, AND I INTEND HOPEFULLY
04:00:21.874 FOR TODAY'S HEARING TO BE SAFE,
04:00:23.842 COMFORTABLE AND DIGNIFIED FOR
04:00:26.812 BOTH OF OUR WITNESSES.
04:00:27.512 I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES WILL JOIN
04:00:30.449 ME IN THIS EFFORT OF A SHOW OF
04:00:34.586 CIVILITY.
04:00:34.852 >> THERE'S BEEN A GREAT DEAL OF
04:00:37.923 PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ME
04:00:38.924 TOO MOVEMENT TODAY VERSUS THE
04:00:42.594 YEAR OF THE WOMAN ALMOST 27
04:00:44.863 YEARS AGO.
04:00:45.163 BUT WHILE YOUNG WOMEN ARE
04:00:47.699 STANDING UP AND SAYING NO MORE,
04:00:50.469 OUR INSTITUTIONS HAVE NOT
04:00:52.504 PROGRESSED IN HOW THEY TREAT
04:00:54.907 WOMEN WHO COME FORWARD.
04:00:56.508 TOO OFTEN WOMEN'S MEMORIES AND
04:00:59.811 CREDIBILITY COME UNDER ASSAULT.
04:01:02.080 IN ESSENCE, THEY ARE PUT ON
04:01:06.018 TRIAL AND FORCED TO DEFEND
04:01:08.387 THEMSELVES AND OFTEN
04:01:09.688 REVICTIMMIZED IN THE PROCESS.
04:01:10.322 >> DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE
04:01:12.291 TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE
04:01:13.292 BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE WILL BE
04:01:14.526 THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND
04:01:15.661 NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP
04:01:19.331 YOU GOD?
04:01:19.598 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:01:20.732 >> I DON'T HAVE ALL THE
04:01:21.499 ANSWERS, AND I DON'T REMEMBER
04:01:22.968 AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO, BUT
04:01:26.805 THE DETAILS ABOUT THAT NIGHT
04:01:27.506 THAT BRING ME HERE TODAY ARE
04:01:29.741 THE ONES I WILL NEVER FORGET.
04:01:32.044 THEY HAVE BEEN SEARED INTO MY
04:01:35.013 MEMORY AND HAVE HAUNTED ME EPI
04:01:38.650 SODICLY AS AN ADULT.
04:01:39.217 WHEN I GOT TO THE SMALL
04:01:42.387 GATHERING PEOPLE WERE DRINKING
04:01:44.856 BEER IN A SMALL LIVING
04:01:46.024 ROOM/FAMILY ROOM TYPE AREA ON
04:01:46.658 THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE HOUSE.
04:01:51.496 I DRANK ONE BEER BRETT AND MARK
04:01:54.299 WERE VISIBLY DRUNK.
04:01:54.799 EARLY IN THE EVENING I WENT UP
04:01:57.169 A VERY NARROW SET OF STAIRS
04:01:58.770 LEADING FROM THE LIVING ROOM TO
04:02:01.707 A SECOND FLOOR TO USE THE REST
04:02:03.041 ROOM.
04:02:03.241 WHEN I GOT TO THE TOP OF THE
04:02:06.745 STAIRS, I WAS PUSHED FROM
04:02:08.947 BEHIND INTO A BEDROOM ACROSS
04:02:11.016 FROM THE BATHROOM.
04:02:12.316 I COULDN'T SEE WHO PUSHED ME.
04:02:14.519 BRETT AND MARK CAME INTO THE
04:02:17.656 BEDROOM AND LOCKED THE DOOR
04:02:20.859 BEHIND THEM.
04:02:22.294 THERE WAS MUSIC PLAYING IN THE
04:02:24.429 BEDROOM.
04:02:24.696 IT WAS TURNED UP LOUDER BY
04:02:26.031 EITHER BRETT OR MARK ONCE WE
04:02:28.400 WERE IN THE ROOM.
04:02:29.267 I WAS PUSHED ONTO THE BED AND
04:02:32.070 BRETT GOT ON TOP OF ME.
04:02:33.972 HE BEGAN RUNNING HIS HANDS OVER
04:02:37.609 MY BODY AND GRINDING INTO ME.
04:02:41.013 I YELLED, HOPING THAT SOMEONE
04:02:42.681 DOWNSTAIRS MIGHT HEAR ME, AND I
04:02:44.016 TRIED TO GET AWAY FROM HIM, BUT
04:02:48.420 HIS WEIGHT WAS HEAVY.
04:02:48.920 BRETT GROPED ME AND TRIED TO
04:02:51.056 TAKE OFF MY CLOTHES.
04:02:52.657 HE HAD A HARD TIME BECAUSE HE
04:02:56.294 WAS VERY INEBRIATED AND BECAUSE
04:02:58.597 I WAS WEARING A ONE-PIECE
04:03:01.399 BATHING SUIT UNDERNEATH MY
04:03:03.568 CLOTHING.
04:03:03.835 I BELIEVED HE WAS GOING TO RAPE
04:03:05.437 ME.
04:03:06.238 I TRIED TO YELL FOR HELP.
04:03:08.273 WHEN I DID, BRETT PUT HIS HAND
04:03:09.474 OVER MY MOUTH TO STOP ME FROM
04:03:12.744 YELLING.
04:03:13.011 THIS IS WHAT TERRIFIED ME THE
04:03:14.813 MOST AND HAS HAD THE MOST
04:03:16.815 LASTING IMPACT ON MY LIFE.
04:03:18.550 IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO BREATHE,
04:03:20.719 AND I THOUGHT THAT BRETT WAS
04:03:23.288 DISEMLY GOING TO KILL ME.
04:03:24.556 -- WAS DISEMLY GOING TO KILL
04:03:26.358 ME.
04:03:26.758 >> MY NAME IS RACHEL MITCHELL.
04:03:28.192 >> NICE TO MEET YOU.
04:03:28.961 >> I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE
04:03:30.829 FIRST THING THAT STRUCK ME FROM
04:03:31.697 YOUR STATEMENT THIS MORNING IS
04:03:33.198 THAT YOU WERE TERRIFIED, AND I
04:03:34.099 JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I'M
04:03:38.770 VERY SORRY.
04:03:39.071 THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
04:03:39.504 >> WELL, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT
04:03:41.673 IMPACT THE INVESTMENTS HAD ON
04:03:42.841 YOU -- WHAT IMPACT THE EVENTS
04:03:47.045 HAD ON YOU?
04:03:49.047 >> WELL, I THINK THE SEXUAL
04:03:50.682 ASSAULT VARIES BY PERSON, AND
04:03:52.985 SO FOR ME PERSONALLY ANXIETY,
04:03:55.620 PHOBIA AND PTSD-LIKE SYMPTOMS
04:03:56.855 AR THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN
04:03:58.923 COPING WITH.
04:03:59.257 >> HOW DID YOU KNOW BRETT
04:04:01.927 KAVANAUGH AND MARK JUDGE?
04:04:02.661 IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU WOULD
04:04:04.663 MIX THEM UP WITH SOMEBODY ELSE?
04:04:06.531 >> NO, IT IS NOT, AND THE
04:04:10.535 PERSON THAT WAS BLAMED FOR THE
04:04:12.104 INCIDENT IS ACTUALLY THE PERSON
04:04:14.506 WHO INTRODUCED ME TO THEM
04:04:15.507 ORIGINALLY, SO HE WAS A MEMBER
04:04:17.375 OF COLUMBIA COUNTRY CLUB, AND I
04:04:18.977 DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT HIM
04:04:20.779 BECAUSE I THINK IT'S UNFAIR.
04:04:21.879 BUT HE IS THE PERSON THAT
04:04:26.151 INTRODUCED ME TO THEM.
04:04:27.018 >> BUT YOU WOULD NOT MIX UP
04:04:28.653 SOMEBODY ELSE WITH BRETT
04:04:31.056 KAVANAUGH, IS THAT CORRECT?
04:04:33.925 >> CORRECT.
04:04:34.359 >> OR MARK JUDGE?
04:04:36.061 >> CORRECT.
04:04:36.361 >> WHAT IS THE STRONGEST MEMORY
04:04:40.132 YOU HAVE, STRONGEST MEMORY OF
04:04:42.467 THE INCIDENT, SOMETHING THAT
04:04:44.202 YOU CANNOT FORGET?
04:04:48.373 TAKE WHATEVER TIME YOU NEED.
04:04:49.140 >> INDELLIBLE IN THE CAMPUS IS
04:04:53.011 THE LAUGHTER, THE UPROARIOUS
04:04:56.247 LAUGHTER BETWEEN THE TWO AND
04:05:01.420 THEIR HAVING FUN AT MY EXPENSE.
04:05:02.620 >> IN JUDGE KAVANAUGH'S OPENING
04:05:03.789 TESTIMONY WHICH WE WILL HEAR
04:05:06.024 AFTER YOU LEAVE, THIS IS WHAT
04:05:08.093 HE SAYS, I NEVER HAD ANY SEXUAL
04:05:10.262 OR PHYSICAL ENCOUNTER OF ANY
04:05:12.230 KIND WITH DR. FORD.
04:05:14.399 I AM NOT QUESTIONING THAT DR.
04:05:15.801 FORD MAY HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY
04:05:17.435 ASSAULTED BY SOME PERSON IN
04:05:20.972 SOME PLACE AT SOME TIME.
04:05:21.940 LAST NIGHT THE REPUBLICAN STAFF
04:05:23.441 OF THIS COMMITTEE RELEASED TO
04:05:25.310 THE MEDIA A TIMELINE THAT SHOWS
04:05:27.412 THAT THEY'VE INTERVIEWED TWO
04:05:28.013 PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THEY WERE THE
04:05:30.916 ONES WHO ACTUALLY ASSAULTED
04:05:32.984 YOU.
04:05:33.184 I'M ASKING YOU TO ADDRESS THIS
04:05:37.889 NEW DEFENSE OF MISTAKEN
04:05:38.990 IDENTITY DIRECTLY.
04:05:39.423 DR. FORD, WITH WHAT DEGREE OF
04:05:42.027 CERTAINTY DO YOU BELIEVE BRETT
04:05:48.700 KAVANAUGH ASSAULTED YOU?
04:05:50.501 >> 100%.
04:05:50.768 >> 100%.
04:05:51.035 >> SINCERE AND THOROUGH
04:05:54.239 INVESTIGATION IS CRITICAL TO
04:05:56.007 THESE CLAIMS IN A PROSECUTOR'S
04:05:58.076 WORLD.
04:05:58.309 IT MAY BE THE MOST BASIC THING
04:05:59.911 THAT WE OWE A VICTIM OR A
04:06:02.080 WITNESS COMING FORWARD IS TO
04:06:04.716 MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THEM A
04:06:06.985 FULL THOROUGH AND SINCERE
04:06:08.053 INVESTIGATION.
04:06:08.420 >> YOU TALKED ABOUT THE
04:06:10.889 OBSTRUCTION FROM THE OTHER
04:06:12.491 SIDE.
04:06:12.691 I CANNOT LET IT GO BY WHAT
04:06:14.493 YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY SO MANY
04:06:17.095 TIMES THAT BETWEEN JULY 30th
04:06:19.431 AND SEPTEMBER 13th THERE WERE
04:06:20.632 45 DAYS THIS COMMITTEE COULD
04:06:23.869 HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATING THIS
04:06:25.871 SITUATION AND HER PRIVACY WOULD
04:06:29.374 HAVE BEEN PROTECTED.
04:06:29.841 >> DID YOU SHOW A FULL OR
04:06:31.810 PARTIAL SET OF THOSE MARRIAGE
04:06:37.482 THERAPY RECORDS TO THE
04:06:38.984 "WASHINGTON POST"?
04:06:40.318 >> I DON'T REMEMBER.
04:06:41.352 I REMEMBER SUMMARIZING FOR HER
04:06:42.587 WHAT THEY SAID, SO I'M NOT
04:06:43.955 QUITE SURE IF I ACTUALLY GAVE
04:06:49.060 HER THE RECORD.
04:06:49.761 >> OKAY.
04:06:50.028 SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE
04:06:53.865 REPORTER DID NOT SEE THESE
04:06:55.300 NOTES.
04:06:55.634 >> I DON'T KNOW IF SHE -- I
04:06:57.035 CAN'T RECALL WHETHER SHE SAW
04:06:57.969 THEM DIRECTLY OR IF I JUST TOLD
04:07:01.807 HER WHAT THEY SAID.
04:07:02.707 >> HAVE YOU SHOWN THEM TO
04:07:05.977 ANYONE ELSE BESIDES YOUR
04:07:08.647 COUNSEL?
04:07:08.914 >> JUST THE COUNSEL.
04:07:09.414 >> OKAY.
04:07:10.248 WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT
04:07:11.850 BRETT KAVANAUGH'S NAME IS NOT
04:07:13.718 LISTED IN THOSE NOTE?
04:07:14.252 >> HIS NAME IS NOT LISTED IN
04:07:16.988 THOSE NOTES.
04:07:17.321 >> IS IT ALSO FAIR TO SAY TO
04:07:18.857 SAY THE THERAPY'S NOTES THAT
04:07:20.725 WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SAY
04:07:22.027 THERE -- THERAPIST'S NOTES THAT
04:07:23.094 WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SAY
04:07:23.995 THERE WERE FOUR BOYS IN THE
04:07:26.865 ROOM?
04:07:27.065 >> IT DESCRIBES THE SEXUAL
04:07:29.434 ASSAULT, AND IT SAYS
04:07:32.070 ERRONEOUSLY BY FOUR BOYS SO THE
04:07:34.039 THERAPIST GOT THE CONTENT OF IT
04:07:34.940 WRONG.
04:07:35.173 >> AND YOU CORRECTED THAT TO
04:07:39.077 THE "WASHINGTON POST" REPORTER,
04:07:40.144 CORRECT?
04:07:40.411 >> CORRECT.
04:07:40.712 >> IN YOUR INTERVIEW WITH THE
04:07:41.379 "WASHINGTON POST," YOU SAID
04:07:42.881 THAT YOU TOLD YOUR HUSBAND
04:07:45.750 EARLY IN YOUR MARRIAGE YOU HAD
04:07:47.318 [ NO AUDIO ] PHYSICAL ABUSE.
04:07:48.953 IN YOUR STATEMENT YOU SAID THAT
04:07:50.255 BEFORE YOU WERE MARRIED YOU
04:07:53.024 TOLD HIM THAT YOU HAD
04:07:55.360 EXPERIENCED, QUOTE, A SEXUAL
04:07:56.227 ASSAULT.
04:07:56.494 DO THESE TWO THINGS REFER TO
04:08:00.131 THE SAME INCIDENT?
04:08:00.698 >> YES.
04:08:01.066 >> AND AT EITHER POINT ON THESE
04:08:05.003 TWO TIMES DID YOU USE ANY
04:08:08.573 NAMES?
04:08:08.806 >> NO.
04:08:10.308 >> IT'S BEEN REPORTED BY THE
04:08:11.409 PRESS THAT YOU WOULD NOT SUBMIT
04:08:13.378 TO AN INTERVIEW WITH THE
04:08:15.347 COMMITTEE BECAUSE OF YOUR FEAR
04:08:17.482 OF FLYING, IS THAT TRUE?
04:08:18.449 >> WELL, I WAS WILLING -- I WAS
04:08:21.252 HOPING THAT THEY WOULD COME TO
04:08:23.021 ME, BUT THEN REALIZED THAT WAS
04:08:25.123 AN UNREALISTIC REQUEST.
04:08:25.990 >> I ALSO SAW ON YOUR C.V.
04:08:28.626 THAT YOU LIST THE FOLLOWING
04:08:30.095 INTERESTS OF SURF TRAVEL AND
04:08:33.632 YOU IN PARENTHESIS PUT HAWAII,
04:08:35.166 COSTA RICA, SOUTH PACIFIC
04:08:37.235 ISLANDS AND FRENCH POLYNESIA.
04:08:37.868 HAVE YOU BEEN ALL TO THOSE
04:08:40.438 PLACES?
04:08:40.671 >> CORRECT.
04:08:40.971 >> BY AIRPLANE?
04:08:41.339 >> YES.
04:08:41.605 >> NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT
04:08:45.977 YOU'VE TAKEN A POLYGRAPH TEST,
04:08:47.379 DR. FORD, THAT FOUND YOU WERE
04:08:48.880 BEING TRUTHFUL WHEN YOU
04:08:49.880 DESCRIBED WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU.
04:08:50.548 CAN YOU TELL US WHY YOU DECIDED
04:08:55.553 TO TAKE THAT TEST?
04:08:56.721 >> I WAS MEETING WITH
04:08:58.890 ATTORNEYS.
04:08:59.190 I WAS INTERVIEWING VARIOUS
04:09:00.792 ATTORNEYS, AND THE ATTORNEYS
04:09:01.392 ASKED IF I WAS WILLING TO TAKE
04:09:04.996 IT, AND I SAID ABSOLUTELY.
04:09:06.331 THAT SAID, IT WAS ALMOST AS
04:09:08.867 ANXIETY PROVOKING AS AN
04:09:11.036 AIRPLANE FLIGHT.
04:09:11.436 >> IF WE AGREE ON NOTHING ELSE
04:09:15.006 TODAY, I HOPE ON A BIPARTISAN
04:09:17.709 BASIS WE CAN AGREE ON HOW MUCH
04:09:21.579 COURAGE IT HAS TAKEN FOR YOU TO
04:09:22.781 COME FORWARD, AND I THINK YOU
04:09:31.288 HAVE EARNED AMERICA'S
04:09:35.026 GRATITUDE.
04:09:38.262 >> HELLO, EVERYONE, I'M TANYA
04:09:39.431 RIVERA IN NEW YORK.
04:09:40.665 AS WE AWAIT THE RETURN OF DR.
04:09:42.834 BLASEY FORD WHO WILL CONTINUE
04:09:43.668 TAKING QUESTIONS ON CAPITOL
04:09:47.005 HILL ABOUT HER ACCUSATIONS
04:09:47.572 AGAINST SUPREME COURT NOMINEE
04:09:48.206 BRETT KAVANAUGH, WE ARE GOING
04:09:50.275 TO WEIGH IN WITH CAITLIN HUEY
04:09:53.111 BURNS, A CBSN POLITICAL
04:09:53.978 úREPORT
04:09:56.481 REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST AND CBS
04:09:59.017 NEWS CARBON FOOTPRINTOR.
04:09:59.550 LADIES, -- CARBON FOOTPRINTOR.
04:10:00.218 LADIES, THANKS SO MUCH FOR
04:10:02.320 BEING WITH US.
04:10:02.687 WE'VE ALL BEEN LISTENING
04:10:03.488 CAREFULLY TO DR. FORD'S
04:10:05.357 TESTIMONY THIS MORNING.
04:10:05.890 LET'S START OFF BY TALKING
04:10:08.493 ABOUT HOW SHE'S COMING ACROSS.
04:10:09.160 CAITLIN, LET ME START WITH YOU.
04:10:12.697 IS SHE COMING ACROSS AS
04:10:13.965 BELIEVABLE, CREDIBLE AND
04:10:14.599 SYMPATHETIC?
04:10:14.932 >> SO FAR SHE IS COMING ACROSS
04:10:16.468 AS A COMPELLING WITNESS IN THIS
04:10:18.103 CASE, AND WHAT'S REALLY
04:10:19.404 INTERESTING TO ME ARE A COUPLE
04:10:22.907 OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
04:10:23.608 FIRST, SHE'S REFERRING TO HER
04:10:27.679 OWN BACKGROUND AS A PSYCHOLOGY
04:10:29.948 PROFESSOR IN REFERENCING IN
04:10:30.915 PSYCHOLOGICAL TERMS AND
04:10:31.783 SCIENTIFIC TERMS, I SHOULD SAY,
04:10:34.051 WHAT IT MEANS TO REMEMBER SOME
04:10:35.353 THINGS AND NOT TO REMEMBER
04:10:37.121 OTHER THINGS.
04:10:37.454 ANOTHER HEADLINE THAT REALLY
04:10:39.224 STOOD OUT TO ME WAS HER MEMORY
04:10:42.393 OF THE LAUGHTER, TRYING TO MAKE
04:10:44.195 CLEAR THAT SHE MAY NOT REMEMBER
04:10:46.131 ALL OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES
04:10:47.532 SURROUNDING THAT EVENT, BUT SHE
04:10:49.434 REMEMBERS A COUPLE OF THEM
04:10:50.902 QUITE CLEARLY, ONE THE ASSAULT
04:10:53.104 AND ONE THE LAUGHTER THAT
04:10:53.872 ENSUED AFTER, AND I THINK THAT
04:10:56.007 LINE IS REALLY GOING TO
04:10:57.709 RESONATE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE
04:10:59.076 WATCHING THIS.
04:11:00.311 >> I HAVE TO TELL YOU,
04:11:01.913 HONESTLY, HEARING THAT LINE
04:11:02.513 JUST MADE MY STOMACH FALL AS
04:11:04.582 WELL.
04:11:04.782 THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THAT
04:11:05.483 IDEA THAT YOU CAN BE ASSAULTED
04:11:07.685 AND PEOPLE ARE ENJOYING IT AS
04:11:09.754 IT'S HAPPENING THAT I THINK ANY
04:11:12.490 WOMAN OR ANY PERSON WOULD
04:11:14.459 CRINGE HEARING THAT.
04:11:14.959 LESLIE, WOULD YOU AGREE?
04:11:15.826 >> IT'S DEFINITELY THE CRUEL
04:11:17.095 PART OF ALMOST TWISTING THE
04:11:18.296 KNIFE, AND I THINK THAT'S THE
04:11:21.733 PART THAT WAS CRINGE WORTHY AND
04:11:25.804 EXTREMELY BELIEVABLE.
04:11:26.271 AND SHE IS NOT ONLY COMPELLING
04:11:29.107 AS A WITNESS, BUT ALSO AS A
04:11:32.377 MOM, AS SOMEBODY WHO'S VERY
04:11:34.746 APPROACHABLE.
04:11:35.079 HER CADENCE, HER WORD CHOICE IS
04:11:36.281 VERY -- NOT -- IT'S SOMETHING
04:11:38.917 THAT'S VERY ACCESSIBLE.
04:11:39.951 SHE'S NOT TRYING TO PUT ON AIR.
04:11:43.921 SHE IS VERY MUCH TRYING TO
04:11:45.889 ACCOMMODATE THE SENATORS.
04:11:46.824 >> RIGHT.
04:11:47.125 >> AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S
04:11:48.826 UNUSUAL AOUT IT.
04:11:50.194 YOU USUALLY SEE THIS KIND OF
04:11:53.131 CONSTANT ATTENTION.
04:11:54.232 SHE'S HAS NO ATTENTION.
04:11:55.199 SHE'S ABOUT COLLABORATIVE TRUTH
04:11:56.301 TELLING.
04:11:56.568 >> AND SHE'S ALSO NOT COMING
04:11:57.569 ACROSS AS TRAINED WHICH IS
04:11:59.003 SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF
04:12:01.906 REPUBLICAN SENATORS WERE
04:12:02.439 PERHAPS ACCUSING HER OF,
04:12:03.041 SOMEHOW COMING FORWARD AT THE
04:12:05.310 BEHEST OF OTHER, RIGHT?
04:12:06.778 >> RIGHT.
04:12:07.045 THAT SHE WAS SOME SORT OF A
04:12:09.881 PAID OR INFLUENCED DEMOCRATIC
04:12:11.749 OPERATIVE WHO WAS CONDITIONED
04:12:13.651 OR TRAINED BY HER COUNSEL OR
04:12:14.586 DEMOCRATIC STAFF, AND THEY'RE
04:12:15.954 GOING TO HAVE A VERY HARD TIME
04:12:17.355 PROVING THAT THAT WOULD BE THE
04:12:18.923 CASE.
04:12:19.123 >> AND ESPECIALLY SINCE, YOU
04:12:20.758 KNOW, SHE'S TALKED ABOUT THE
04:12:21.358 WAY IN WHICH SHE WAS SUCH A
04:12:25.130 RELUCTANT WITNESS, THAT SHE HAD
04:12:27.465 PROVIDED THIS INFORMATION FIRST
04:12:29.033 ANONYMOUSLY AND, SECOND, WHICH
04:12:30.735 IS REALLY IMPORTANT BEFORE
04:12:31.436 KAVANAUGH WAS EVEN CHOSEN AS
04:12:32.937 THE SUPREME COURT NOMINEE.
04:12:34.572 SHE BROUGHT THIS UP TO HER
04:12:37.075 CONGRESSWOMAN ANONYMOUSLY WHILE
04:12:38.910 BRETT KAVANAUGH WAS LISTED
04:12:41.112 AMONG MANY QUALIFIED JUDGES IN
04:12:42.247 THIS CASE.
04:12:42.547 AND ALSO SHE TALKED ABOUT THE
04:12:43.181 WAY IN WHICH SHE WAS TALKING
04:12:44.849 WITH HER FRIENDS ON THE BEACH
04:12:47.552 ABOUT HOW TO PROCEED WITH THIS,
04:12:48.586 WASN'T SURE IF SHE SHOULD HIRE
04:12:50.421 A LAWYER.
04:12:50.755 SO TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW,
04:12:52.323 SHE'S TRYING TO PRESENT HERSELF
04:12:54.158 AS SOMEONE WHO'S NOT POLITICAL,
04:12:56.227 EVEN THOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN
04:12:57.128 PEOPLE WHO -- AND LAWMAKERS WHO
04:12:58.696 ARE SEIZING ON THIS TO ADVANCE
04:13:01.698 THEIR OWN POLITICAL AGENDA.
04:13:03.468 >> WHAT'S VERY PARTICULAR AND
04:13:04.969 INTERESTING IS HOW AUTHENTIC
04:13:06.037 SHE IS ABOUT TAKING YOU BACK TO
04:13:08.106 THAT MOMENT IN TIME WHERE SHE
04:13:09.507 SAYS SHE WASN'T FULLY DEVELOPED
04:13:10.408 AS AN ADULT AND HER BRAIN WAS
04:13:12.977 DEVELOPING.
04:13:13.277 BUT IF YOU THINK OF YOURSELF AS
04:13:15.747 AN UNDERAGED CATHOLIC PRIVATE
04:13:16.614 SCHOOL BOY WHO WAS AT A PARTY
04:13:19.017 WITH BOYS THAT WAS UNSUPERVISED
04:13:20.618 AND YOU'RE DRINKING BEER --
04:13:21.719 >> YOU'RE ALREADY FEELING
04:13:22.921 GUILTY ABOUT BEING IN THE ROOM.
04:13:25.790 >> HELLO.
04:13:26.057 I'M ALREADY GUILTY.
04:13:26.490 SO THE IDEA THAT SHE'S GOING TO
04:13:29.127 COME FORWARD AND IMMEDIATELY
04:13:29.994 TELL HER PAIRMENTS THAT SHE
04:13:31.029 MADE A POOR CHOICE TO PUT
04:13:32.129 HERSELF IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE,
04:13:33.231 AND THAT'S PART OF THE SHAME
04:13:34.666 CULTURE WE TALK ABOUT.
04:13:35.266 >> RIGHT.
04:13:35.533 YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS IS
04:13:37.434 THE EARLY '80s WHERE I DON'T
04:13:38.869 THINK EVEN THE WORD DATE RAPE
04:13:40.638 HAD BEEN COINED YET, RIGHT?
04:13:41.639 >> NOT AT ALL.
04:13:42.106 THERE WAS NOT A PHONE NUMBER
04:13:43.875 YOU COULD CALL THAT WAS SO
04:13:47.011 PREVALENT AND AVAILABLE.
04:13:47.578 WHO WOULD SHE HAVE CALLED OR
04:13:49.881 WHO WOULD SHE HAVE TRUSTED?
04:13:51.615 IF YOU GO TO YOUR CLERGY, IT'S
04:13:54.052 STILL A FLAWED CHOICE YOU MADE.
04:13:54.919 SO FOR HER TO DEAL WITH THAT,
04:13:57.021 TO PRESENT IT -- AND THAT'S
04:13:58.356 PROBABLY WHY SHE WANTED TO KEEP
04:14:01.358 IT VERY PRIVATE AS WELL.
04:14:03.193 IN CONSCIENCE, YOU KNOW THAT
04:14:04.228 SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DOP, BUT
04:14:05.830 YOU DON'T NECESSARY -- NEEDS TO
04:14:07.799 BE DONE, BUT YOU DON'T
04:14:08.800 NECESSARILY WANT TO EXPOSE
04:14:10.968 EVERYTHING DU IN THAT
04:14:11.735 SITUATION.
04:14:12.036 >> LESLIE, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF
04:14:13.338 THE GOP'S CHOICE OF HAVING THIS
04:14:15.539 PROSECUTOR QUESTIONING DR.
04:14:16.106 FORD?
04:14:16.306 DO YOU THINK THAT IS WORKING
04:14:17.375 OUT FOR THEM, DO YOU THINK IT'S
04:14:19.544 MAKING IT LOOK TOO MUCH LIKE
04:14:22.680 DR. FORD IS ON TRIAL?
04:14:23.413 WHAT'S YOUR PERCEPTION?
04:14:23.947 >> THE INTERESTING PART OF THE
04:14:25.550 PROSECUTOR WHO IS KNOWN AS
04:14:27.552 SOMEBODY WHO SUPPORTS VICTIMS'
04:14:28.820 RIGHTS, YOU CAN TELL AFTER THE
04:14:29.921 TESTIMONY, SHE WAS MUCH
04:14:31.322 STRONGER BEFORE, KIND OF
04:14:32.423 CLARIFYING, BUT ONCE DR. FORD
04:14:33.724 GAVE THAT TESTIMONY, SHE'S NOW
04:14:35.426 KIND OF IN THE WEEDS.
04:14:37.528 SHE'S OVER THERE TALKING ABOUT
04:14:38.496 INNOCUOUS THINGS AND FLIGHTS
04:14:40.131 AND POKE HOLES IN OTHER ASPECTS
04:14:43.868 THAT DON'T SEEM GERMANE TO THE
04:14:46.738 ACTUAL SNEPT.
04:14:47.071 SHE'S NOT -- ACTUAL INCIDENT.
04:14:48.606 SHE'S NOT QUESTIONING IN
04:14:49.474 GREATER DETAIL THE ACTUAL
04:14:50.074 ASSAULT WHICH IS GOING TO BE A
04:14:52.977 VERY BIG CONTRAST WHEN
04:14:53.678 KAVANAUGH COMES FORWARD.
04:14:54.211 >> DO YOU THINK SHE'S GOING
04:14:55.680 SOMEWHERE WITH ALL OF THIS?
04:14:58.316 IS SHE PIECING SOMETHING
04:14:58.916 TOGETHER?
04:14:59.183 >> YOU KNOW, THE TWEETS THAT
04:15:01.419 SHE'S HIRED -- THAT SHE'S HIRED
04:15:02.920 BY THE DEMOCRATS, SHE'S NOT
04:15:04.788 HELPING REPUBLICANS.
04:15:05.255 I REALLY WONDER AT THIS POINT
04:15:09.627 IT IS NOT COMPELLING, IF
04:15:13.197 ANYTHING, IT'S EMBOLDING.
04:15:13.797 >> I ALSO WANT TO BRING IN CBSN
04:15:17.068 POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR AND
04:15:18.369 DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST LINDA
04:15:19.070 TRAN.
04:15:19.537 SHE'S ALSO A FOUNDER PARTNER OF
04:15:21.205 270 STRATEGIES.
04:15:23.040 SHE JOINS US FROM WASHINGTON.
04:15:23.674 LINDA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
04:15:25.009 BEING WITH US.
04:15:25.376 WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THIS
04:15:27.578 MORNING'S TESTIMONY BY DR.
04:15:29.647 FORD?
04:15:29.847 >> YOU KNOW, TANYA, MY TAKE IS
04:15:31.316 A LITTLE BIT SPLIT.
04:15:32.350 SO ON THE ONE HAND I'M
04:15:33.985 OBVIOUSLY A DEMOCRATIC
04:15:35.052 STRATEGIST AND I'M VIEWING THIS
04:15:36.988 THROUGH A POLITICAL LENS AS
04:15:38.923 OTHERS ARE, BUT I'M SOMEBODY
04:15:40.191 WHO HAS SURVIVED SEXUAL ASSAULT
04:15:42.226 MYSELF.
04:15:42.459 AND SO THE BIGGEST IMPACT OF
04:15:43.594 THIS MORNING ON ME IS I THINK
04:15:46.931 MUCH BROADER THAN THE POLITICAL
04:15:48.766 VOLLEYING AND THE BACK AND
04:15:49.767 FORTH THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED A
04:15:51.836 LOT TODAY.
04:15:53.104 IT IS JUST AMAZING AND
04:15:55.339 INSPIRING TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE
04:15:56.507 DR. BLASEY FORD COME FORWARD,
04:15:58.142 SHARE HER EXPERIENCE IN SO MUCH
04:15:59.210 DETAIL, AND TO LIVE THAT TRAUMA
04:16:01.379 ALL OVER AGAIN IN FRONT OF ALL
04:16:03.147 OF AMERICA, ALL OF THE WORLD
04:16:05.817 REALLY WATCHING.
04:16:06.517 I THINK THAT HER TESTIMONY WAS
04:16:08.753 DEEPLY POWERFUL.
04:16:09.153 I THINK THAT -- THE FACT THAT
04:16:10.688 SHE'S NOT ONLY SOMEBODY WHO IS
04:16:12.390 A VICTIM AND A SURVIVOR, BUT
04:16:14.625 ALSO SOMEBODY WHO HAS EXPERT
04:16:15.626 TESTIMONY THAT SHE CAN PRESENT
04:16:17.161 HERSELF WAS REALLY COMPELLING
04:16:19.030 AND VERY, VERY CREDIBLE.
04:16:19.697 >> WELL, LINDA, NUMBER ONE,
04:16:20.665 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING
04:16:22.366 FORWARD AS A SURVIVOR.
04:16:22.933 I MEAN, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT
04:16:27.004 COME FORWARD, THE MORE POWERFUL
04:16:29.373 THE CHORUS IS.
04:16:30.308 AND AS SOMEBODY WHO IS A
04:16:31.676 SURVIVOR OF SOME SORT OF SEXUAL
04:16:33.277 VIOLENCE, DID YOU PERCEIVE HER
04:16:36.581 TESTIMONY AS BEING HONEST?
04:16:37.148 >> ABSOLUTELY.
04:16:37.515 I MEAN, ESPECIALLY WHEN SHE
04:16:38.950 STARTED TO TALK ABOUT HOW THERE
04:16:41.118 WERE CERTAIN DETAILS THAT
04:16:42.587 REALLY WERE SEARED INTO HER
04:16:44.589 MEMORY AND THAT HAD COME BACK
04:16:46.491 TO HAUNT HER PERIODICALLY AND
04:16:47.358 AGAIN AND AGAIN THROUGHOUT HER
04:16:48.626 LIFE, THAT IS SOMETHIG THAT I
04:16:50.528 THINK ANYBODY WHO'S LIVED
04:16:53.698 THROUGH ASSAULT CAN RELATE TO.
04:16:54.565 THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN
04:16:56.567 TOUCH, A CERTAIN SOUND THAT YOU
04:16:58.703 HEARD, AN IMAGE THAT YOU KEPT
04:17:00.638 HAVING NIGHTMARES ABOUT, THAT
04:17:01.706 WILL NEVER, EVER LEAVE YOU NO
04:17:03.007 MATTER HOW MUCH THERAPY YOU
04:17:04.242 HAVE, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES
04:17:05.543 YOU MAY HAVE DISCUSSED IT OR
04:17:06.544 TRIED TO GRAPPLE WITH IT OVER
04:17:09.580 THE YEARS SINCE IT'S HAPPENED.
04:17:10.981 AND ALSO THE IDEA THAT THERE
04:17:12.517 ARE CERTAIN OTHER THINGS THAT
04:17:14.118 MAYBE WERE NOT AS PROMINENT IN
04:17:15.552 HER MEMORY, I MEAN, THE TRUTH
04:17:17.088 IS THAT IF YOU LIVE THROUGH AN
04:17:18.556 INCIDENT LIKE THIS, IF YOU LIVE
04:17:20.258 THROUGH AN ATTACK, THE ONLY
04:17:21.292 THING YOU WISH YOU COULD DO IS
04:17:22.927 FORGET ALL OF IT.
04:17:23.761 YOU WISH YOU COULD GO BACK AND
04:17:25.830 MAKE IT ALL GO AWAY.
04:17:26.864 AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU
04:17:28.699 JUST CAN'T GET AWAY FROM.
04:17:30.868 SO I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS
04:17:34.539 EXTREMELY HONEST, PAINFUL AND
04:17:35.439 VERY TRAUMATIC FOR SOMEBODY
04:17:36.440 ELSE WHO HAS LIVED THROUGH IT
04:17:37.542 TO WATCH AS WELL.
04:17:38.576 >> AND SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS
04:17:40.711 AT RISK HERE THEN FOR THE
04:17:42.747 REPUBLICANS?
04:17:43.080 CLEARLY THERE WILL BE A LOT OF
04:17:45.416 WOMEN OUT THERE WATCHING DR.
04:17:46.717 FORD'S TESTIMONY, REACTING TO
04:17:47.752 IT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THAT
04:17:48.386 YOU HAVE, AND I THINK THAT WE
04:17:52.590 HAVE HERE.
04:17:52.890 WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE?
04:17:54.091 >> I THINK THERE'S A LOT AT
04:17:57.094 STAKE FOR REPUBLICANS BROADLY.
04:17:57.895 ONE OF THE MORE RECENT POLLS
04:18:00.298 THAT I'VE SEEN, I THINK MORNING
04:18:01.765 CONSULT DID IT SHOWED THAT IN
04:18:04.268 THE LAST FEW DAYS ALONE SUPPORT
04:18:05.803 FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP AND SUPPORT
04:18:08.372 FOR BRETT KAVANAUGH HAVE
04:18:10.074 DROPPED PRECIPITOUSLY AND
04:18:10.908 THAT'S BEEN A STEADY TREND.
04:18:12.209 YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE THAT SEEING
04:18:13.711 THE TESTIMONY FROM DR. BLASEY
04:18:16.347 FORD TODAY, HEARING MUCH MORE
04:18:17.848 DETAIL ABOUT BRETT KAVANAUGH IS
04:18:18.950 ONLY GOING TO MAKE THE
04:18:21.819 SITUATION WORSE.
04:18:22.219 IN THE MEANTIME, YOU HAVE
04:18:24.355 REPUBLICANS WHO ARE RUNNING IN
04:18:25.289 EVEN RED STATES WHO OUGHT TO BE
04:18:27.825 LOOKING OVER THEIR BACKS
04:18:28.659 BECAUSE THEY'VE STOOD REALLY,
04:18:30.728 REALLY STRONGLY BY KAVANAUGH,
04:18:32.864 BY THIS NOMINATION AND HAVE
04:18:35.966 FRANKLY TRIED TO SHAME AND
04:18:36.901 IMPUGN DR. BLASEY FORD AS PART
04:18:38.035 OF THAT ARGUMENT.
04:18:38.969 AND THAT IS A VERY, VERY
04:18:40.204 DANGEROUS THING FOR THEM AS
04:18:41.105 THEY THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING
04:18:42.607 TO HAPPEN IN THE WEEKS TO COME.
04:18:43.707 >> AND WE UNDERSTAND THE
04:18:45.142 PRESIDENT HAS BEEN WATCHING THE
04:18:46.177 HEARINGS.
04:18:46.444 YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GET TO THIS
04:18:48.112 ISSUE OF CREDIBILITY BECAUSE I
04:18:49.080 BELIEVE THAT THIS IS REALLY THE
04:18:52.350 CRUX OF THE MATTER HERE.
04:18:54.085 WHO DO YOU BELIEVE, DR. FORD OR
04:18:55.786 BRETT KAVANAUGH?
04:18:56.554 AND I THINK THAT SO FAR DR.
04:19:00.324 FORD IS COMING ACROSS AS
04:19:02.058 IMMINENTLY CREDIBLE.
04:19:02.526 I THINK THAT SO FAR JUDGE
04:19:04.295 KAVANAUGH IS COMING ACROSS AS
04:19:05.630 SLIGHTLY LESS SO WHEN HE TALKS
04:19:09.100 ABOUT HIS PAST AS A TEENAGER
04:19:11.035 AND AS A STUDENT AT YALE.
04:19:12.803 WHAT DO WE NEED TO HEAR FROM
04:19:16.440 HIM THAT WILL MAKE US BELIEVE
04:19:18.409 IN HIM ONCE AGAIN IN TERMS OF
04:19:21.278 HIS BEHAVIOR IN THE PAST?
04:19:22.212 I MEAN, AT THIS POINT I DON'T
04:19:24.682 THINK ANYONE BELIEVES HE WAS
04:19:26.250 QUITE THE CHOIR BOY THAT HE
04:19:29.152 WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO BELIEVE.
04:19:30.688 LYNDA.
04:19:30.921 >> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S
04:19:32.957 EXACTLY RIGHT, TANYA.
04:19:33.724 HE'S IN A TOUGH SPOT, HONESTLY,
04:19:35.860 HE REALLY IS BECAUSE HIS
04:19:38.629 DEFENSE HAS ESSENTIALLY BEEN TO
04:19:39.830 CATEGORICALLY DENY THAT
04:19:40.363 ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN ACCUSED
04:19:42.900 OF HIM HAS EVER HAPPENED.
04:19:45.635 WE'VE JUST SPENT SEVERAL HOURS
04:19:48.673 HEARING IN EXCRUCIATINGLY
04:19:49.640 PAINFUL DETAIL THE ALLEGATIONS
04:19:51.242 THAT DR. BLASEY FORD HAS LEVIED
04:19:53.911 AGAINST HIM AND SHE'S COME
04:19:54.912 ACROSS EXTRAORDINARILY
04:19:55.412 CREDIBLE.
04:19:55.813 AND FOR HIM TO SIT THERE AND
04:19:58.583 SAY NONE OF THIS HAPPENED,
04:19:59.383 SHE'S ABSOLUTELY LYING IS NOT
04:20:00.818 GOING TO COME ACROSS VERY WELL.
04:20:01.652 IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE MANY
04:20:02.786 DETAILS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM
04:20:04.121 OTHER ACCUSATIONS WHICH MAY OR
04:20:05.156 MAY NOT BE TRUE, WE HAVE TO PUT
04:20:06.957 THAT OUT THERE, BUT OTHER
04:20:08.259 ALLEGATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
04:20:10.861 LEVIED AGAINST HIM, THE
04:20:12.963 NARRATIVE THAT WE'VE HEARD AND
04:20:13.764 ANECDOTES FROM STORIES THAT HIS
04:20:15.399 FRIEND MARK JUDGE HAVE WRITTEN,
04:20:16.534 THEY ALL KIND OF POINT TO THIS
04:20:19.603 IMAGE OF A PARTY BOY WHICH RUNS
04:20:22.206 REALLY COUNTER TO EVERYTHING HE
04:20:23.474 SAID.
04:20:23.941 HE ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO COME
04:20:26.110 ACROSS AS SOMEBODY WHO IS
04:20:27.011 SPEAKING THE TRUTH AND CREDIBLE
04:20:29.947 AND HE'S DOING IT.
04:20:31.015 >> SO LESLIE AND INDICATE LIN,
04:20:33.317 I'D -- CAITLIN, I'D LIKE YOU TO
04:20:34.885 WEIGH IN AS WELL.
04:20:36.220 HOW MUCH CAN HE BACKTRACK TO
04:20:38.055 SEEM CREDIBLE?
04:20:38.422 HE SAID HE NEVER BLACKED OUT
04:20:40.291 FROM DRINKING.
04:20:40.658 WE HAVE NOW, YOU KNOW, COLLEGE
04:20:41.858 CLASSMATES WHO HAVE COME OUT
04:20:42.893 AND SAID, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF
04:20:44.795 HE BLACKED OUT, BUT HE DRANK A
04:20:46.163 LOT, PEOPLE WHO SEEMED TO PAINT
04:20:47.865 A DIFFERENT PORTRAIT OF HIM AT
04:20:51.602 LEAST WHEN HE WAS PARTYING,
04:20:52.803 RIGHT, NOT NECESSARILY THE
04:20:53.504 BRETT KAVANAUGH THAT SHOWED UP
04:20:55.473 TO CLASS AND GOT STRAIGHT A'S,
04:20:56.574 BUT THE BRETT KAVANAUGH THAT
04:20:57.208 PERHAPS WHEN HE WAS OUT WITH
04:20:59.376 HIS FRIENDS WAS A SLIGHTLY
04:21:01.245 DIFFERENT BRETT KAVANAUGH THAN
04:21:03.013 WE'VE HEARD HIM DESCRIBE.
04:21:03.580 SO AT THIS POINT WHAT DO WE
04:21:05.116 NEED HIM TO SAY THAT WILL MAKE
04:21:08.452 US BELIEVE HIM, LESLIE?
04:21:08.985 >> IT'S GOING TO BE VERY
04:21:10.421 DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO GO BACK
04:21:12.223 AND CHANGE HISTORY AND CHANGE
04:21:14.625 HIS STORY.
04:21:15.158 SO WHAT THE STORY, THE
04:21:16.293 NARRATIVE THAT COMES OUT IS
04:21:17.127 THAT HE WAS A BAD DRUNK.
04:21:18.996 >> RIGHT.
04:21:19.263 >> THAT HE WAS SOMEBODY WHO WAS
04:21:21.365 CRUDE, HE PERHAPS, YOU KNOW,
04:21:22.399 ENGAGED IN THIS KIND OF
04:21:24.034 ACTIVITY, BUT THERE IS SOME
04:21:25.169 ACTIVITY TO POINT TO.
04:21:26.737 AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER SIDE
04:21:27.772 WHEN HE WAS, YOU KNOW, WORKING
04:21:29.907 AS A COLLEAGUE AND HE HAS OTHER
04:21:32.076 CHARACTER REFERENCES TO GO BACK
04:21:32.743 TO WHEN HE WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL
04:21:35.546 AND HIGH SCHOOL.
04:21:35.946 THOSE ARE GREAT.
04:21:36.447 BUT IT'S THIS ISSUE OF ALCOHOL
04:21:38.716 AND WHAT HIS BEHAVIOR WAS LIKE
04:21:39.884 AT THAT TIME WHICH
04:21:41.152 UNFORTUNATELY I THINK WE'RE
04:21:42.720 GOING TO DIVE DEEPER INTO LATER
04:21:44.455 THIS AFTERNOON.
04:21:44.855 THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION.
04:21:45.456 BECAUSE IF HE HAD SAID I HAD
04:21:46.991 DONE SOME THINGS I'M NOT PROUD
04:21:48.492 OF, ALCOHOL WAS INVOLVED IN
04:21:50.227 THOSE THINGS, BUT I'VE NEVER
04:21:51.028 DONE ANYTHING TO THE EXTENT OF
04:21:52.897 THAT --
04:21:53.130 >> EXACTLY.
04:21:53.430 >> THERE WOULD BE -- PEOPLE
04:21:54.631 WOULD GIVE HIM THE BENEFIT OF
04:21:57.434 THE DOUBT.
04:21:57.734 HE'S REPENALTIED.
04:21:58.168 AND THERE ARE MANY -- REPENTED.
04:21:59.470 AND THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO
04:22:00.805 HAVE DONE THINGS AS YOUNG
04:22:02.873 TEENAGERS OR YOUNG ADULTS AND
04:22:04.608 CHANGED THEIR BEHAVIOR.
04:22:05.108 >> YES.
04:22:05.375 >> AND REALLY BECOME KIND OF
04:22:06.877 LEADERS IN OUR COUNTRY.
04:22:08.078 >> AND I THINK AMERICANS ARE
04:22:10.948 SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS PEOPLE WHO
04:22:12.349 ARE REPENTANT AND CHANGE THEIR
04:22:14.652 CHARACTER.
04:22:15.019 >> ABSOLUTELY.
04:22:15.386 WHICH RAISES THE QUESTION WHY
04:22:16.253 KAVANAUGH SET A HIGH BAR FOR
04:22:18.088 HIMSELF TO MEET FROM THE VERY
04:22:20.124 BEGINNING, FIRST OF ALL BY
04:22:20.691 DENYING HE WAS EVEN AT THIS
04:22:22.426 PARTY AND THEN GOING EVEN
04:22:23.894 FURTHER IN THAT FOX NEWS
04:22:25.429 INTERVIEW TO KIND OF PAINT
04:22:28.199 HIMSELF AS SOMEONE WHO WASN'T
04:22:29.599 PARTICIPATING.
04:22:29.966 >> I'M SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP
04:22:31.268 THAT FOX NEWS INTERVIEW.
04:22:31.835 WE HAVE SOME SOUND FOR THAT.
04:22:34.805 WE'RE GOING TO PLAY IT RIGHT
04:22:38.809 NOW.
04:22:39.009 >> WERE THERE TIMES WHEN
04:22:40.444 PERHAPS YOU DRANK SO MUCH --
04:22:41.412 WAS THERE EVER A TIME THAT YOU
04:22:42.980 DRANK SO MUCH THAT YOU COULDN'T
04:22:44.180 REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED THE
04:22:46.917 NIGHT BEFORE?
04:22:47.250 >> NO.
04:22:47.484 THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
04:22:49.452 >> YOU NEVER SAID TO ANYONE, I
04:22:50.888 DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING ABOUT
04:22:51.589 LAST NIGHT? 3
04:22:51.956 >> NO, THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
04:22:53.523 >> NOW OF COURSE HE WAS NOT
04:22:55.192 UNDER OATH THERE, THAT WAS A
04:22:57.094 MEDIA INTERVIEW, SO IT'S
04:22:58.062 DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HE WILL
04:23:00.231 FACE ON CAPITOL HILL.
04:23:00.998 BUT DO WE ALL BELIEVE THAT AT
04:23:02.967 THIS POINT?
04:23:03.267 >> WELL, WHAT HE IS ALSO GOING
04:23:05.002 TO SAY IN HIS TESTIMONY TODAY
04:23:06.637 ACCORDING TO THE PREPARED
04:23:07.538 REMARKS THAT WERE RELEASED BY
04:23:08.606 THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
04:23:09.440 YESTERDAY, HE'S GOING TO SAY
04:23:10.441 THAT, YEAH, I DRANK SOME BEERS
04:23:13.944 O THE WEEKENDS, I'M
04:23:14.912 PARAPHRASING HERE, BUT, YOU
04:23:15.712 KNOW, AND I'VE DONE SOME --
04:23:16.914 THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT I
04:23:18.482 HAVE DONE THAT I CRINGE ABOUT,
04:23:19.817 BUT I DID NOT DO THIS, AND HE
04:23:22.686 ALSO GOES ON TO SAY IN THAT
04:23:28.492 PREPARED TESTIMONY THAT WHILE
04:23:30.394 FORD MAY HAVE EXPERIENCED THE
04:23:32.196 TRAUMATIC EVENT OF A SEXUAL
04:23:33.831 ASSAULT, IT WASN'T BY HIM.
04:23:35.232 >> RIGHT.
04:23:35.532 >> SO HE'S KIND OF TRYING TO
04:23:36.901 THREAD THE NEEDLE HERE BY
04:23:39.136 SAYING I'M NOT BEING
04:23:40.304 UNSYMPATHETIC TO HER AND WHAT
04:23:41.472 SHE WENT THROUGH, I'M JUST
04:23:42.706 SAYING THAT WASN'T ME.
04:23:43.440 >> YES.
04:23:43.673 BUT THERE ARE AT LEAST A FEW
04:23:45.075 SENATORS WHO HAVE SAID WHETHER
04:23:47.244 OR NOT BRETT KAVANAUGH
04:23:47.844 COMMITTED THIS SEXUAL ASSAULT I
04:23:49.713 DON'T KNOW, BUT WHETHER HE'S
04:23:50.948 BEING TOTALLY TRUTHFUL WITH US
04:23:51.782 IS REALLY WHAT I AM WORRIED
04:23:53.784 ABOUT.
04:23:54.017 >> AND THAT IS A SITUATION HE
04:23:56.787 CREATED FOR HIMSELF BY SETTING
04:23:57.955 WHAT CAITLIN IS TALKING ABOUT
04:23:59.790 THE BAR SO HIGH THAT IT'S JUST
04:24:02.893 NOT BELIEVABLE, ESPECIALLY --
04:24:04.395 THAT'S BEFORE WE KNEW HOW
04:24:06.797 CREDIBLE DR. FORD WAS GOING TO
04:24:08.732 BE AND HOW SYMPATHETIC A
04:24:11.034 CHARACTER BECAUSE SHE'S
04:24:11.534 CERTAINLY SOMEBODY YOU CAN SEE
04:24:12.503 DOES NOT HAVE A POLITICAL
04:24:14.471 MOTIVE TO DO IT, AND HE HAS
04:24:16.173 EVERY POLITICAL MOTIVE TO REACT
04:24:17.675 THE WAY HE DOES.
04:24:18.142 >> SO HOW CAN HE FIX THIS DO
04:24:20.210 YOU THINK IN HIS TESTIMONY?
04:24:21.478 HE'S SORT OF BOXED HIMSELF IN
04:24:22.580 IN A CERTAIN MANNER AT THIS
04:24:24.581 POINT.
04:24:24.982 WHAT DO WE NEED TO SEE?
04:24:25.949 WHAT DOES HE NEED TO SAY THAT
04:24:28.552 WILL CLEAR THIS UP?
04:24:29.153 >> WELL, THE PEOPLE THAT HE
04:24:31.255 NEEDS TO CONVINCE AREN'T
04:24:32.923 NECESSARILY ON THE JUDICIARY
04:24:35.091 COMMITTEE.
04:24:35.392 THEY ARE MEMBERS LIKE SUSAN
04:24:38.862 COLLINS OF MAINE, LISA
04:24:39.395 MURKOWSKI OF ALASKA, JEFF FLAKE
04:24:41.198 OF COURSE IS ON THAT COMMITTEE,
04:24:44.902 AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, HE
04:24:46.937 DID CEDE HIS QUESTION TO THE
04:24:48.772 SPECIAL PROSECUTOR IN THAT
04:24:49.740 INSTANCE.
04:24:50.007 YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
04:24:51.975 SWING VOTES HERE IN TERMS OF
04:24:53.510 WHAT HE COULD GET IN THE
04:24:55.145 SENATE.
04:24:55.378 AND WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER
04:24:57.648 TOO THAT WHILE THE PUBLIC IS
04:24:59.216 WATCHING, ONE KEY FIGURE OF
04:25:00.684 THAT PUBLIC IS WATCHING WHICH
04:25:01.284 IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
04:25:03.354 STATES WHO HAS THE POWER TO,
04:25:05.089 YOU KNOW, DEMAND THAT KAVANAUGH
04:25:06.957 GET A VOTE OR TO WITHDRAW HIM
04:25:09.894 DEPENDING ON HOW HE FEELS THIS
04:25:11.095 TESTIMONY HAS BEEN GOING, HOW
04:25:13.163 HE FEELS ABOUT FORD, HOW HE
04:25:15.466 FEELS ABOUT KAVANAUGH IN
04:25:16.767 RESPONDING TO FORD.
04:25:18.535 IT STILL REMAINS A BIG QUESTION
04:25:20.037 MARK.
04:25:20.604 OF COURSE HOVERING OVER THAT
04:25:22.239 DECISION TOO IS HE HAS ALSO
04:25:23.440 BEEN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
04:25:24.675 AND HE ELABORATED ON THAT
04:25:25.843 YESTERDAY IN THE PRESS
04:25:29.146 CONFERENCE SAYING THAT IS
04:25:30.247 INFORMING HIS -- IS FORMING HIS
04:25:31.849 OPINION IN TERMS OF KAVANAUGH.
04:25:32.750 >> THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
04:25:33.817 WE DO HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT
04:25:38.255 QUESTION, YOU KNOW, OF
04:25:38.822 CERTAINTY, AND DR. FORD SAID
04:25:42.760 SHE IS 100% CERTAIN, NOT 99.9%,
04:25:44.194 BUT 100% CERTAIN THAT BRETT
04:25:45.496 KAVANAUGH IS THE MAN WHO
04:25:47.831 ASSAULTED HER OR THE BOY,
04:25:49.566 RATHER.
04:25:49.799 DO WE NEED TO HEAR BRETT
04:25:51.769 KAVANAUGH SAY HE IS 100%
04:25:53.570 CERTAIN HE DID NOT DO IT?
04:25:54.804 >> LET'S JUST SAY HE DOES THAT.
04:25:58.142 LET'S SAY HE DOES THAT.
04:26:00.511 SHE STILL IS COMING ACROSS AS
04:26:01.712 SUCH -- IN SUCH A COMPELLING
04:26:04.181 WAY BECAUSE SHE'S EXPLAINING
04:26:05.349 HER TRAUMA.
04:26:06.784 SHE'S EXPLAINING THE LAUGHTER,
04:26:08.652 SHE'S EXPLAINING THESE VERY
04:26:09.586 SPECIFIC DETAILS THAT AS SHE
04:26:11.654 SAID SEARED HER MEMORY, AND I
04:26:13.590 DON'T THINK -- THE INTERESTING
04:26:14.691 PART, AND LYNDA TALKS ABOUT IT
04:26:15.759 A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF HOW
04:26:18.328 WE'RE LOSING REPUBLICAN WOMEN
04:26:20.864 AND INDEPENDENT WOMEN.
04:26:21.364 WE GOT A LOT OF WOMEN WHO
04:26:22.966 EXPERIENCED SOMETHING VERY
04:26:23.934 SIMILAR TO THAT AND IT ECHOS
04:26:26.070 THAT ONE OR TWO MEMORY POINTS.
04:26:27.438 SO SHE IS SPEAKING AT A
04:26:29.573 DIFFERENT FREQUENCY THAT IS
04:26:30.574 GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR
04:26:35.012 HIM TO COUNTER.
04:26:35.846 >> LET'S TOSS FOR A MOMENT
04:26:37.448 DURING THE TESTIMONY WHEN DR.
04:26:38.415 FORD TALKED ABOUT HER STRONGEST
04:26:42.086 MEMORY OF THE ASSAULT.
04:26:43.153 LET'S LISTEN.
04:26:44.454 >> WHAT IS THE STRONGEST MEMORY
04:26:47.290 YOU HAVE, STRONGEST MEMORY OF
04:26:48.992 THE INCIDENT, SOMETHING THAT
04:26:50.928 YOU CANNOT FORGET?
04:26:56.766 TAKE WHATEVER TIME YOU NEED.
04:26:59.036 >> INDELLIBLE IN THE HIPPA
04:27:03.240 CAMPUS IS THE LAUGHTER, THE
04:27:08.512 UPROARIOUS LAUGHTER BETWEEN THE
04:27:12.082 TWO AND THEIR HAVING FUN AT MY
04:27:16.153 EXPENSE.
04:27:16.419 >> YOU'VE NEVER FORGOTTEN THAT
04:27:18.655 LAUGHTER, YOU'VE NEVER
04:27:20.257 FORGOTTEN THEM LAUGHING AT YOU?
04:27:22.226 >> THEY WERE LAUGHING WITH EACH
04:27:23.327 OTHER.
04:27:23.560 >> AND YOU WERE THE OBJECT OF
04:27:28.499 THE LAUGHTER?
04:27:28.866 >> I WAS UNDERNEATH ONE OF THEM
04:27:32.703 WHILE THE TWO LAUGHED, TWO
04:27:34.505 FRIENDS HAVING A REALLY GOOD
04:27:39.175 TIME WITH ONE ANOTHER.
04:27:39.943 >> I MEAN, THOSE WORDS ARE LIKE
04:27:42.613 A GUT PUNCH, AND SHE'S
04:27:43.914 DELIVERING THEM WITH -- THERE'S
04:27:46.216 SO MUCH PAIN PRESENT.
04:27:46.749 YOU KNOW, TO ME IT GOES TO THE
04:27:51.521 QUESTION OF CHARACTER, RIGHT?
04:27:54.257 HOW CAN ANYONE DERIVE PLEASURE
04:27:56.193 AT TERRIFYING A YOUNG, INNOCENT
04:27:57.661 GIRL, RIGHT?
04:27:57.994 EVEN IF YOU ARE A YOUNG MAN
04:27:59.630 WHO'S MAYBE HAD A FEW TOO MANY
04:28:03.133 BEERS, YOU WOULD STILL THINK
04:28:04.868 THAT AT A CERTAIN POINT YOUR
04:28:06.436 CHARACTER WOULD KICK IN.
04:28:06.970 >> THAT'S GOING TO BE THE
04:28:09.106 INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE
04:28:09.807 IT'S LIKE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME
04:28:13.477 MAN, RIGHT?
04:28:14.010 WE HAVE THIS INCREDIBLE LONG
04:28:16.313 HISTORY OF A VERY STRONG SOLID
04:28:18.048 JURIST, AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS
04:28:21.151 OTHER SIDE, THIS KIND OF DARKER
04:28:22.052 SIDE WHEN ALCOHOL SEEMS TO BE
04:28:23.153 INVOLVED IN THE YOUTH BEING
04:28:25.155 INVOLVED.
04:28:25.422 MAYBE HE SHOOK ALL OF THAT,
04:28:26.156 MAYBE HE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT.
04:28:27.957 BUT HE DOESN'T EVER ADMIT IT.
04:28:29.726 HE DOESN'T ACKNOWLEDGE IT IN A
04:28:32.496 WAY THAT SEEMS PALATABLE THAT
04:28:33.497 PEOPLE CAN ACCEPT.
04:28:33.930 AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE
04:28:35.599 HARDEST PART.
04:28:35.932 AND I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S
04:28:37.634 GOING TO HAVE THAT KIND OF
04:28:42.172 COMING TO TRUTHFULNESS WITH THE
04:28:43.507 COMMITTEE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE
04:28:44.474 IT WOULD REQUIRE HIM TO GO BACK
04:28:46.310 AGAINST SOME OF HIS PREVIOUS
04:28:48.745 STATEMENTS.
04:28:49.045 >> RIGHT.
04:28:49.312 BUT THAT'S THE TYPE OF HUMILITY
04:28:50.280 WE WOULD ALMOST LIKE TO SEE
04:28:52.683 FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS COMMITTED
04:28:53.983 SOMETHING EGREGIOUS IN THEIR
04:28:54.651 PAST.
04:28:54.851 I READ A VERY INTERESTING
04:28:56.053 ACCOUNT OF A WOMAN WHO DID HAVE
04:28:57.054 A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE IN HIGH
04:28:59.756 SCHOOL AND LATER HER ASSAILANT
04:29:01.291 FOUND HER AND TEARFULLY
04:29:02.126 APOLOGIZED, AND SHE SAID YOU
04:29:04.828 KNOW WHAT?
04:29:05.929 I FORGAVE HIM.
04:29:06.296 BUT HE APOLOGIZED.
04:29:06.763 AND I THINK WITH WHAT IS SO
04:29:08.465 SEARING FOR SO MANY WOMEN WHO
04:29:09.900 HAVE GONE THROUGH SOMETHING
04:29:12.803 LIKE THIS IS THE SEEMING LACK
04:29:14.204 OF SELF-QUESTIONING AS TO WHY
04:29:16.073 WOULD THESE WOMEN EVEN EVER
04:29:17.174 ACCUSE ME OF THIS, YOU KNOW,
04:29:18.909 THERE'S NO QUESTIONING.
04:29:19.442 YES, MAYBE HE SAYS I DID NOT DO
04:29:20.744 THIS, BUT WOULD HE STOP AND SAY
04:29:22.613 WHY ARE THEY ACCUSING ME OF
04:29:24.781 THIS?
04:29:24.981 LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A
04:29:26.917 MOMENT AND HAVE SOME SORT OF
04:29:29.886 SELF-RECKONING OF SOME TYPE OF
04:29:31.788 BEHAVIOR IN HIS PAST THAT MIGHT
04:29:34.424 HAVE LENT THIS -- SOMETHING
04:29:36.693 LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN.
04:29:37.160 >> WELL, HE -- I THINK YOU
04:29:38.295 BRING UP A REALLY GOOD POINT IN
04:29:40.163 TERMS OF THE CHALLENGES THAT HE
04:29:41.832 WILL HAVE IN ADDRESSING THAT
04:29:42.899 KIND OF QUESTION IF IT COMES UP
04:29:45.135 BECAUSE HE SAYS FROM THE VERY
04:29:46.904 BEGINNING THAT HE HAD NO
04:29:47.971 KNOWLEDGE OF THIS, THAT HE
04:29:48.972 WASN'T THERE AND THAT IT WASN'T
04:29:51.008 HIM.
04:29:51.208 >> RIGHT.
04:29:51.475 >> SO, AGAIN, GOING TO THAT BAR
04:29:55.345 THAT HE -- SO GOING TO THAT BAR
04:29:58.415 THAT'S SET, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR
04:30:00.116 HIM TO DEVIATE IN ANY WAY BY
04:30:01.585 THAT.
04:30:01.785 AND HE'S GOING TO DO IT BY
04:30:05.455 PROXY, RIGHT?
04:30:08.125 SAY I DIDN'T DO THIS BUT -- I
04:30:09.726 THINK TALKING ABOUT THE
04:30:10.927 LAUGHTER ELEMENT AND WHAT SHE
04:30:12.529 WENT THROUGH, REMEMBER, SHE WAS
04:30:13.930 A 15-YEAR-OLD GIRL.
04:30:15.399 THAT IS A VERY FORMITIVE AGE, A
04:30:17.634 COMING OF AGE AND A VERY
04:30:20.537 SENSITIVE TIME, ESPECIALLY FOR
04:30:22.005 A 15-YEAR-OLD GIRL.
04:30:22.572 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
04:30:24.207 THAT THIS WAS 35 YEARS AGO.
04:30:26.109 WE ALSO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
04:30:28.612 SHE SAYS HAVE BEEN LASTING
04:30:31.548 EFFECTS FROM THAT.
04:30:32.482 SHE'S TALKED ABOUT PTSD, SHE'S
04:30:35.385 TALKED ABOUT CURRENT ANXIETY,
04:30:36.252 PANIC ATTACKS, CLAUSE INTRODUCE
04:30:38.555 PHOBIA, THINGS THAT HAVE --
04:30:42.426 CLOS INTRODUCE PHOBIA, THINGS
04:30:43.226 THAT.
04:30:43.426 IT'S NOT THINGS THAT HAPPENED
04:30:45.062 35 YEARS AGO, IT'S REMARKABLE
04:30:46.596 THAT IN OVER 35 YEARS SHE IS
04:30:49.166 STILL FEELING THE EFFECTS.
04:30:50.266 >> WELL, THE MANIFEST
04:30:51.401 ALLEGATIONS, RIGHT, WHETHER
04:30:51.968 THEY'RE PANIC ATTACKS ON AN
04:30:54.471 AIRPLANE AND PEOPLE ARE
04:30:55.004 CRITICIZING ON TWITTER, WELL,
04:30:55.739 SHE GOT ON A PLANE TO GO ON
04:30:57.674 VACATION.
04:30:57.941 IT DOES NOT MEAN SHE CANNOT GET
04:30:59.443 ON A PLANE.
04:31:00.176 IT MEANS THAT ANXIETY CONTINUE,
04:31:01.278 IT'S THE ANXIETY TO PUT IN A
04:31:02.612 SECOND FRONT DOOR, IT'S THE
04:31:05.115 ANXIETY TO HAVE DIFFICULTY IN
04:31:06.683 RELATIONSHIPS.
04:31:07.050 AND SO I THINK COLLECTIVELY WE
04:31:08.819 WILL AGREE SOMETHING DID
04:31:10.854 HAPPEN.
04:31:11.087 BUT HOW CLEAR SHE IS ABOUT WHO
04:31:12.456 ASSAULTED HER IS GOING TO BE
04:31:15.158 THE BIGGER CHALLENGE, RIGHT?
04:31:16.093 AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO
04:31:18.495 RECONCILE THOSE TWO?
04:31:18.962 AND EVEN IF THE JUDGE DOES COME
04:31:21.465 ACROSS AS VERY SYMPATHETIC,
04:31:22.933 WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO REALLY
04:31:24.368 WONDER ABOUT THIS, AND I THINK
04:31:25.969 THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.
04:31:26.636 AND I THINK WE'RE ABOUT TO GO
04:31:28.505 THROUGH SOME REALLY UGLY
04:31:29.539 DETAILS IN THE NEXT FEW HOURS
04:31:31.775 THAT NOBODY -- NOBODY WANTS TO
04:31:33.610 GO THROUGH.
04:31:34.210 >> I AGREE.
04:31:34.544 LET'S LISTEN TO DR. FORD TALK
04:31:36.113 ABOUT HOW THIS EVENT HAS
04:31:39.716 AFFECTED HER LIFE.
04:31:41.017 >> BRETT'S ASSAULT ON ME
04:31:42.419 DRASTICALLY ALTERED MY LIFE FOR
04:31:44.354 A VERY LONG TIME.
04:31:46.223 I WAS TOO AFRAID AND ASHAMED TO
04:31:49.726 TELL ANYONE THESE DETAILS.
04:31:50.293 I DID NOT WANT TO TELL MY
04:31:53.096 PARENTS THAT I AT AGE 15 WAS IN
04:31:56.867 A HOUSE WITHOUT ANY PARENTS
04:32:02.773 PRESENT DRINKING BEER WITH
04:32:03.807 BOYS.
04:32:04.107 I CONVINCED MYSELF THAT BECAUSE
04:32:05.074 BRETT DID NOT RAPE ME, I SHOULD
04:32:07.010 JUST MOVE ON AND JUST PRETEND
04:32:10.480 THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
04:32:11.281 OVER THE YEARS I TOLD VERY,
04:32:12.849 VERY FEW FRIENDS THAT I HAD
04:32:17.587 THIS TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE
04:32:18.187 >> LYNDA, I WANT TO BRING YOU
04:32:19.690 IN NOW BECAUSE WE JUST HEARD
04:32:20.991 DR. FORD TALK ABOUT THIS
04:32:22.092 EXPERIENCE THAT HAPPENED WHEN
04:32:22.859 SHE WAS 15 WENT ON TO AFFECT
04:32:24.861 THE REST OF HER LIFE.
04:32:27.364 DR. FORD AND OTHERS WHO COME
04:32:29.199 FORWARD WITH STORIES OR
04:32:29.966 ACCUSATIONS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
04:32:32.202 THAT HAPPENED LONG AGO OFTEN
04:32:32.836 FACE CRITICISM, SOME PEOPLE
04:32:33.770 SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT
04:32:35.005 HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO, WHY
04:32:37.908 RUIN A MAN'S LIFE NOW?
04:32:38.841 AND I THINK WHEN YOU HEAR HOW
04:32:40.377 HER LIFE HAS ALREADY -- I MEAN,
04:32:42.546 NOT BEEN RUINED, SHE'S
04:32:44.314 OBVIOUSLY A VERY SUCCESSFUL
04:32:44.881 WOMAN, BUT SHE'S CARRIED SO
04:32:45.816 MUCH OF THE PAIN FROM THAT
04:32:47.818 ATTACK THROUGH THE REST OF HER
04:32:51.321 LIFE, IT COLORS THOSE
04:32:51.922 ACCUSATIONS THAT COME FROM
04:32:52.889 PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, WHY ARE
04:32:55.258 YOU TRYING TO RUIN SOMEONE'S
04:32:56.560 LIFE AT THIS POINT, WOULD YOU
04:32:58.695 AGREE, LYNDA?
04:32:59.028 >> YEAH.
04:32:59.295 I THINK THAT DR. BLASEY FORD
04:33:00.530 GETS AT THE CORE OF WHAT SO
04:33:02.966 MANY VICTIMS OF ASSAULT DEAL
04:33:04.534 WITH WHICH IS SHE SAID SHE WAS
04:33:07.135 AFRAID AND ASHAMED.
04:33:07.704 BECAUSE WHEN SOMETHING LIKE
04:33:08.872 THIS HAPPENS TO YOU, YOU FEEL
04:33:10.540 SOME SENSE OF GUILT, YOU WONDER
04:33:12.876 WHAT ROLE YOU MAY HAVE PLAYED
04:33:14.978 IN BRINGING IT ABOUT AND FEEL
04:33:16.346 LIKE YOU'RE NOT SOMEHOW
04:33:17.481 INNOCENT OF IT, NO MATTER WHAT
04:33:20.016 THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE.
04:33:20.516 AND I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF
04:33:22.618 WHAT SHE WAS DESCRIBING.
04:33:23.319 I ALSO THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR
04:33:25.055 IN HER DETAILING OF THE
04:33:26.122 CHRONOLOGY OF HOW SHE BROUGHT
04:33:28.391 HER STORY FORWARD THAT SHE WAS
04:33:29.826 GRAPPLING WITH WHETHER OR NOT
04:33:31.395 IT MADE SENSE AT THIS JUNCTURE
04:33:34.364 AFTER ALL THESE YEARS TO SHARE
04:33:36.500 THIS STORY WITH ANYONE, MUCH
04:33:38.068 LESS WITH THE WORLD.
04:33:39.503 SO I THINK THAT SHE IS STILL
04:33:41.136 CLEARLY DEALING WITH THE IMPACT
04:33:43.439 OF THAT REGARDLESS OF HOW
04:33:44.841 SUCCESSFUL SHE'S BEEN IN HER
04:33:45.675 LIFE AND THAT THIS IS SOMETHING
04:33:46.975 THAT A LOT OF WOMEN AND MEN WHO
04:33:49.379 HAVE BEEN ASSAULTED CAN REALLY
04:33:52.080 RELATE TO.
04:33:52.381 ALSO TO THE EARLIER POINT ABOUT
04:33:53.417 WHAT, YOU KNOW, BRETT KAVANAUGH
04:33:55.351 CAN SAY OR DO AT THIS POINT,
04:33:57.653 WHEN YOU JUXTAPOSE ANYTHING
04:33:58.287 THAT HE MIGHT SAY IN THE NEXT
04:34:01.258 COUPLE OF HOURS WITH DR. BLASEY
04:34:03.993 FORD TALKING ABOUT THE
04:34:05.027 INDELLIBLE MEMORY OF HIS
04:34:05.929 LAUGHTER, I THINK THERE'S VERY
04:34:07.731 LITTLE THAT HE CAN DO THAT IS
04:34:10.332 GOING TO SWAY PUBLIC OPINION IN
04:34:13.470 A WAY THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
04:34:15.572 BUT THE REAL QUESTION COMES
04:34:16.339 DOWN TO WHETHER OR NOT HE CAN
04:34:19.142 REACH THE HANDFUL OF
04:34:20.676 INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE PROBABLY
04:34:21.310 STILL SWAYABLE AT THIS POINT
04:34:22.612 WHO ARE GOING TO ULTIMATELY
04:34:23.380 VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE
04:34:25.814 FORWARD WITH THIS CONFIRMATION.
04:34:26.482 >> RIGHT.
04:34:26.782 LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT QUESTION
04:34:28.318 OF MEMORY FOR A MOMENT BECAUSE
04:34:29.485 DR. FORD DISCUSSED IT, AND SHE
04:34:30.954 SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE
04:34:31.988 THE VICTIM OF AN ASSAULT LIKE
04:34:33.723 THAT, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
04:34:34.991 EARLIER, THERE ARE CERTAIN
04:34:35.958 THINGS THAT JUST REMAIN IN YOUR
04:34:38.061 MIND CRYSTAL CLEAR.
04:34:39.095 NOW, IF YOU TALK ABOUT THE
04:34:41.197 MEMORY OF THE ATTACKER, IF THIS
04:34:42.331 WAS NOT SUCH A BIG DEAL TO THE
04:34:45.702 ATTACKER, THEN PERHAPS THERE
04:34:47.136 ARE NO ELEMENTS OF IT THAT
04:34:49.472 REMAIN IN HIS MEMORY IN SUCH A
04:34:52.676 CLEAR MANNER.
04:34:53.241 IN OTHER WORDS, THIS DID NO THE
04:34:55.145 HAVE SUCH A GRAND -- THIS DID
04:34:58.448 NOT HAVE SUCH A GRAND AFFECT ON
04:35:01.484 -- OH, WE WILL PICK THIS UP
04:35:02.752 LATER BECAUSE DR. FORD JUST SAT
04:35:04.621 BACK DOWN.
04:35:04.954 SHE'S NOT GOING TO START
04:35:05.955 SPEAKING RIGHT AWAY, BUT JUST
04:35:07.057 REQUESTING, DO YOU THINK IT IS
04:35:08.957 THEN POSSIBLE THAT THE
04:35:09.559 ATTACKER, IF THE EVENT DOES NOT
04:35:11.328 HAVE THE SAME LIFETIME EFFECT
04:35:12.128 ON THEM DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME
04:35:14.898 MEMORY OF IT?
04:35:15.364 >> RIGHT.
04:35:15.831 THIS IS GOING TO BE -- AGAIN,
04:35:18.768 GOING BACK TO THE VERY
04:35:20.270 BEGINNING IN WHICH KAVANAUGH
04:35:21.170 SAYS THAT HE WASN'T AT THIS
04:35:22.472 PARTY.
04:35:22.705 >> RIGHT.
04:35:22.972 >> AND THAT HE DIDN'T DO THIS.
04:35:25.942 AGAIN, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT THEN
04:35:27.711 TO DEEFATE FROM THAT IF THAT --
04:35:30.279 DEVIATE FROM THAT IF THAT IS
04:35:33.183 YOUR OVERARCHING ARGUMENT THE
04:35:33.817 WHOLE THING.
04:35:34.150 >> IT COULD BE HIS ARGUMENT
04:35:35.952 THAT HE DIDN'T DO IT, RIGHT?
04:35:37.152 >> MAYBE.
04:35:37.419 BUT YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE
04:35:38.921 COMPANY HE KEPT AND HE KEPT
04:35:42.458 COMPANY WITH SOMEBODY WITH VERY
04:35:44.194 LEWD BEHAVIOR, KIND OF
04:35:45.562 CHARACTERIZING THAT MOMENT IN
04:35:46.562 TIME.
04:35:46.762 SO IT'S VERY HARD BY
04:35:47.897 ASSOCIATION TO SAY YOU WERE
04:35:49.132 NEVER AROUND THAT KIND OF
04:35:51.600 ENVIRONMENT WHEN YOU WERE.
04:35:53.069 >> ABSOLUTELY.
04:35:53.436 I THINK THAT IS THE PART OF HIS
04:35:55.372 PAST THAT WE STILL NEED TO HEAR
04:35:58.741 HIM SPEAK HONESTLY AND OPENLY
04:36:00.242 ABOUT.
04:36:00.543 IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE ABOUT TO
04:36:02.746 BEGIN, SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE
04:36:12.088 HEARING WITH DR. BLASEY FORD.
04:36:17.526 >> I'M READY.
04:36:18.161 >> SENATOR HIRONO.
04:36:19.028 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
04:36:20.028 MR. CHAIRMAN, IS IT YOUR INTENT
04:36:22.331 TO CEDE ALL REPUBLICAN
04:36:24.034 SENATORS' TIME TO YOUR
04:36:26.101 PROSECUTOR RATHER THAN THEY
04:36:27.003 THEMSELVES CEDING THEIR TIME TO
04:36:31.641 HER?
04:36:32.042 >> WE ALL KNOW THE PROSECUTOR,
04:36:34.276 EVEN THOUGH THIS CLEARLY IS NOT
04:36:36.613 A CRIMINAL PROCEEDING IS ASKING
04:36:38.748 DR. FORD ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS
04:36:40.116 ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE AND
04:36:42.218 AFTER, BUT BASICALLY NOT DURING
04:36:46.523 THE ATTACK.
04:36:47.155 THE PROSECUTOR SHOULD KNOW THAT
04:36:48.792 SEXUAL ASSAULT SURVIVORS OFTEN
04:36:50.193 DO NOT REMEMBER PERIPHERAL
04:36:51.061 INFORMATION SUCH AS WHAT
04:36:52.195 HAPPENED BEFORE OR AFTER THE
04:36:54.029 TRAUMATIC EVENT, AND YET SHE
04:36:55.532 WILL PERSIST IN ASKING THESE
04:36:59.035 QUESTIONS ALL TO UNDERMINE THE
04:37:00.537 MEMORY AND BASICALLY THE
04:37:01.738 CREDIBILITY OF DR. FORD.
04:37:03.404 BUT WE ALL KNOW DR. FORD'S
04:37:06.910 MEMORY OF THE ASSAULT IS VERY
04:37:13.249 CLEAR.
04:37:13.482 DR. FORD, THE REPUBLICAN'S
04:37:14.184 PROSECUTOR HAS ASKED YOU ALL
04:37:14.984 KINDS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO
04:37:17.087 YOU CALLED AND WHEN, ASKING
04:37:19.022 DETAILS THAT WOULD BE ASKED IN
04:37:20.723 A CROSS EXAMINATION OF A
04:37:22.991 WITNESS IN A CRIMINAL TRIAL,
04:37:25.195 BUT THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL
04:37:28.465 PROCEEDING.
04:37:28.765 THIS IS A CONFIRMATION
04:37:29.466 PROCEEDING.
04:37:29.766 I THINK I KNOW WHAT SHE'S
04:37:32.134 TRYING TO GET AT.
04:37:33.101 SO I'LL JUST ASK YOU VERY
04:37:35.004 PLAINLY, DR. FORD, IS THERE A
04:37:37.706 POLITICAL MOTIVATION FOR YOUR
04:37:38.741 COMING FORWARD WITH YOUR
04:37:41.177 ACCOUNT OF THE ASSAULT BY BRETT
04:37:45.547 KAVANAUGH?
04:37:45.848 >> NO.
04:37:46.080 AND I'D LIKE TO REITERATE AGAIN
04:37:46.749 THAT I WAS TRYING TO GET THE
04:37:48.451 INFORMATION TO YOU WHILE THERE
04:37:51.854 WAS STILL A LIST OF OTHER WHAT
04:37:55.724 LOOKED LIKE EQUALLY QUALIFIED
04:37:56.793 CANDIDATES.
04:37:57.093 >> AND YET THEY'RE NOT HERE TO
04:37:58.761 TESTIFY.
04:37:59.028 DR. FORD, I'D LIKE TO JOIN ME
04:38:01.965 COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE THANKED YOU
04:38:04.734 FOR COMING FORWARD TODAY AND I
04:38:06.236 AND WE ALL ADMIRE YOU FOR WHAT
04:38:07.837 YOU ARE DOING, AND I UNDERSTAND
04:38:09.973 WHY YOU HAVE COME FORWARD.
04:38:11.106 YOU WANTED US AND THE AMERICAN
04:38:13.008 PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT YOU KNEW
04:38:15.511 ABOUT THE CHARACTER, THE
04:38:16.846 CHARACTER OF THE MAN WE ARE
04:38:19.415 CONSIDERING FOR A LIFETIME
04:38:23.186 APPOINTMENT TO THE SUPREME
04:38:24.354 COURT.
04:38:24.587 >> I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT ALSO
04:38:26.722 TO NOTE THE SIGNIFICANT
04:38:27.924 PERSONAL SACRIFICE YOU'VE COME
04:38:29.125 FORWARD TO SHARE YOUR TRAUMATIC
04:38:31.794 EXPERIENCE WITH US AND THE
04:38:33.963 AMERICAN PEOPLE.
04:38:34.363 YOU'VE HAD TO MOVE, YOU'VE HAD
04:38:40.470 DEATH THREATS, ALL IN A MANNER
04:38:44.908 OF -- BASICALLY
04:38:45.809 REVICTIMMIZATION EXPERIENCES
04:38:46.409 HAVE COME YOUR WAY, BUT BY
04:38:47.811 COMING FORWARD YOU HAVE
04:38:49.612 INSERTED THE QUESTION OF
04:38:51.447 CHARACTER INTO THIS NOMINATION
04:38:52.848 AND HOPEFULLY BACK INTO
04:38:54.551 AMERICAN LIFE AND RIGHTLY SO.
04:38:55.884 WE SHOULD BE MADE TO FACE A
04:39:00.223 QUESTION OF WHERE DOES PUTTING
04:39:01.758 IN POSITIONS OF POWER AND
04:39:02.826 DECISION MAKING IN THIS
04:39:03.893 COUNTRY, WE SHOULD LOOK THE
04:39:04.993 QUESTION SQUARE IN THE FACE,
04:39:07.029 DOES CHARACTER MATTER, DO OUR
04:39:08.431 VALUES, OUR REAL VALUES ABOUT
04:39:09.598 WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG
04:39:11.600 AND ABOUT WHETHER WE TREAT OUR
04:39:13.902 FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS WITH
04:39:16.205 DIGNITY AND RESPECT, DO THEY
04:39:17.373 MATTER ANYMORE?
04:39:17.973 I BELIEVE THEY DO.
04:39:18.641 AND I BELIEVE THE REACTION WE
04:39:21.911 HAVE SEEN TO THIS COVERAGE
04:39:23.512 RIGHT NOW AND YOUR COURAGE ALL
04:39:25.148 OVER THIS COUNTRY SHOWS US THAT
04:39:29.085 WE'RE NOT ALONE.
04:39:29.518 YOU'RE NOT ALONE, THAT WOMEN
04:39:30.919 AND MEN ALL ACROSS AMERICA ARE
04:39:32.622 DISGUSTED AND SICK AND TIRED OF
04:39:35.724 THE WAY BASIC HUMAN DECENCY HAS
04:39:36.626 BEEN DRIVEN FROM OUR PUBLIC
04:39:39.128 LIFE.
04:39:39.328 THE PRESIDENT ADMITS ON TAPE TO
04:39:41.931 ASSAULTING WOMEN.
04:39:42.331 HE SEPARATES CHILDREN FROM
04:39:44.167 THEIR PARENT, HE TAKES BASIC
04:39:46.069 HEALTHCARE PROTECTIONS FROM
04:39:47.804 THOSE WHO NEED THEM MOST, HE
04:39:48.905 NOMINATES AND STANDS BEHIND A
04:39:52.008 MAN WHO STANDS CREDIBLY ACCUSED
04:39:54.677 OF A HORRIBLE ACT.
04:39:55.110 I AGAIN WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
04:40:01.451 COMING FORWARD.
04:40:01.818 MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASK UNANIMOUS
04:40:03.553 CONSENT THAT SIX ITEMS
04:40:06.489 CONSISTING OF VARIOUS
04:40:08.758 STATEMENTS, LETTERS, FACT SHEET
04:40:09.759 POSTS ARE INSERTED INTO THE
04:40:11.093 RECORD.
04:40:11.327 >> IS THAT ONE REQUEST OR YOU
04:40:13.229 WANT ME TO WAIT FOR SIX?
04:40:14.898 >> WELL, I HAVE SIX SEPARATE
04:40:17.433 ITEMS.
04:40:17.666 >> OKAY.
04:40:17.933 >> I CAN GO OVER THEM FOR YOU.
04:40:21.204 >> OKAY.
04:40:21.504 NO.
04:40:21.671 >> I WOULD LIKE TO --
04:40:23.539 >> LET ME NOT INTERRUPT YOU.
04:40:25.575 YOUR REQUEST IS ACCEPTED
04:40:28.010 WITHOUT OBJECTION.
04:40:28.444 >> THANK YOU.
04:40:29.946 AND I WOULD LIKE TO READ FROM
04:40:33.149 AN ITEM THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN
04:40:34.350 ENTERED INTO THE RECORD, BUT
04:40:36.452 THIS IS FROM A LETTER FROM THE
04:40:37.921 NATIONAL TASK FORCE TO END
04:40:40.523 SEXUAL AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
04:40:41.657 THE LETTER STATES, AND I QUOTE
04:40:44.727 THIS LETTER, THIS MOMENT HAS
04:40:46.362 BECOME A CREW CYBIL.
04:40:47.129 IT'S A TEST OF OUR PROGRESS.
04:40:49.264 DO WE START BY BELIEVING
04:40:50.066 VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND
04:40:51.935 TREATING THEM WITH DIGNITY OR
04:40:53.937 DON'T WE?
04:40:54.903 SO FAR SENATE LEADERS ARE
04:40:57.340 FAILING THAT TEST.
04:40:59.008 PREJUDGING THE OUTCOME OF THE
04:41:02.078 HEARING, SYMPATHIZING WITH HER
04:41:04.380 PERPETRATE ROR, -- PERPETRATOR,
04:41:05.481 ATTACKING HER CREDIBILITY.
04:41:06.048 THEY SEND A MESSAGE TO EVERY
04:41:07.684 VICTIM OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE THAT
04:41:09.986 THEIR PAIN DOESN'T MATTER, THAT
04:41:13.389 THEY DO NOT DESERVE JUSTICE AND
04:41:14.324 THAT FOR THEM FAIR TREATMENT IS
04:41:17.493 OUT OF REACH.
04:41:18.728 THIS WILL ONLY SERVE TO DRIVE
04:41:22.131 VICTIMS INTO THE SHADOWS AND
04:41:26.635 FURTHER EMBOLDENING ABUSERS.
04:41:27.403 ONCE AGAIN, DR. FORD, THANK YOU
04:41:28.604 VERY MUCH.
04:41:28.904 THIS IS A MOMENT FOR OUR
04:41:38.314 COUNTRY.
04:41:38.915 MAHALO.
04:41:39.148 >> SENATOR -- MS. MITCHEL FOR
04:41:42.051 SENATOR CRAPPO.
04:41:42.418 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
04:41:42.885 >> HI.
04:41:43.118 >> WHEN WE LEFT OFF WE WERE
04:41:46.789 STILL TALKING ABOUT THE
04:41:47.657 POLYGRAPH, AND I BELIEVE YOU
04:41:49.359 SAID IT HASN'T BEEN PAID FOR
04:41:55.664 YET, IS THAT CORRECT?
04:41:56.498 >> LET ME PUT AN END TO THIS
04:41:58.701 MISERY, HER LAWYERS HAVE PAID
04:42:02.572 FOR HER POLYGRAPH.
04:42:03.773 >> AS IS ROUTINE.
04:42:08.010 >> AS IS ROUTINE.
04:42:08.644 >> DR. FORD, DO YOU EXPECT THAT
04:42:10.546 THE PRICE OF THAT POLYGRAPH TO
04:42:13.783 BE PASSED ON TO YOU?
04:42:15.018 >> I'M NOT SURE YET.
04:42:16.719 I HAVEN'T TAKEN A LOOK AT ALL
04:42:19.856 OF THE CLASS INVOLVED IN THIS.
04:42:22.458 WE'VE RELOCATED NOW -- ALL OF
04:42:24.260 THE COSTS INVOLVED IN THIS.
04:42:26.095 WE'VE NOW RELOCATEDTWICE, AND
04:42:26.930 I HAVEN'T KEPT TRACK OF THIS
04:42:28.664 PAPERWORK.
04:42:28.964 BUT I'M SURE I HAVE A LOT OF
04:42:30.266 WORK TO DO TO CATCH UP ON THAT
04:42:32.068 LATER.
04:42:32.301 >> I GET YOU HAVE A LOT GOING
04:42:33.870 ON AND YOU'VE HAD THAT FOR
04:42:35.838 SEVERAL MONTHS.
04:42:36.205 BUT IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING
04:42:37.239 THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO
04:42:39.409 ASSIST YOU WITH SOME OF THESE
04:42:42.378 FEES INCLUDING THE COSTS FOR
04:42:44.747 YOUR POLYGRAPH?
04:42:45.114 >> I'M AWARE THAT THERE'S BEEN
04:42:47.950 SEVERAL GOFUNDME SITES THAT I
04:42:49.052 HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO FIGURE
04:42:50.653 OUT HOW TO MANAGE THOSE BECAUSE
04:42:53.222 I'VE NEVER HAD ONE.
04:42:54.924 >> SEVERAL WHAT?
04:42:56.025 >> GOFUNDME SITES THAT HAVE
04:42:58.628 RAISED MONEY PRIMARILY FOR OUR
04:42:59.762 SECURITY DETAIL, SO I'M NOT
04:43:01.197 EVEN QUITE SURE HOW TO COLLECT
04:43:02.798 THAT MONEY OR HOW TO DISTRIBUTE
04:43:04.200 IT YET.
04:43:04.533 I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FOCUS ON
04:43:12.141 THAT.
04:43:12.341 >> OKAY.
04:43:12.608 IN YOUR TESTIMONY THIS MORNING
04:43:15.745 YOU STATED THAT SENATOR
04:43:16.846 FEINSTEIN SENT YOU A LETTER ON
04:43:18.080 AUGUST 31st OF THIS YEAR, IS
04:43:35.031 THAT RIGHT?
04:43:36.365 >> AUGUST 31st.
04:43:38.067 LET ME SEE.
04:43:38.367 I SENT HER A LETTER ON JULY
04:43:39.869 30th, AND I DON'T HAVE THE
04:43:42.238 DATE.
04:43:42.471 I'D HAVE TO TO PULL UP MY E-
04:43:44.040 MAIL TO FIND OUT THE DATE OF
04:43:46.208 HER E-MAIL TO ME SAYING -- IT
04:43:47.843 WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE HEARINGS
04:43:50.212 THAT SHE WAS GOING TO MAINTAIN
04:43:54.650 THE CONFIDENTIALITY OF THE
04:43:55.718 LETTER.
04:43:55.951 >> SAY THAT AGAIN.
04:43:56.452 IT WAS STILL RIGHT BEFORE THE
04:43:59.055 HEARINGS?
04:43:59.322 >> THAT'S MY MEMORY, BUT I CAN
04:44:00.123 LOOK IT UP FOR YOU IF YOU'D
04:44:01.691 LIKE THE EXACT DATE.
04:44:02.325 I CAN PULL IT UP ON MY E-MAIL.
04:44:04.927 >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE --
04:44:06.328 >> EXACT DATE, COUNSEL?
04:44:07.929 >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU
04:44:10.066 UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID.
04:44:10.700 >> THAT DOCUMENT HAS BEEN
04:44:11.968 TURNED OVER IN RESPONSE TO
04:44:13.770 REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS.
04:44:14.470 YOU HAVE IT.
04:44:15.070 >> THANK YOU, COUNSEL.
04:44:16.338 I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
04:44:18.908 UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID.
04:44:19.775 WAS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING IT
04:44:21.944 WAS GOING TO BE KEPT
04:44:22.745 CONFIDENTIAL UP UNTIL RIGHT
04:44:25.148 BEFORE THE HEARING?
04:44:26.115 >> IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT
04:44:28.584 IT WAS GOING TO BE KEPT
04:44:36.259 CONFIDENTIAL PERIOD.
04:44:36.726 >> PERIOD?
04:44:38.428 OKAY.
04:44:38.628 BETWEEN YOUR POLYGRAPH ON
04:44:39.829 AUGUST THE 7th AND YOUR RECEIPT
04:44:42.765 OF THE LETTER FROM SENATOR
04:44:44.666 FEINSTEIN, DID YOU OR ANYONE ON
04:44:47.036 YOUR BEHALF SPEAK TO ANY MEMBER
04:44:49.572 OF CONGRESS OR CONGRESSIONAL
04:44:55.011 STAFF ABOUT THESE ALLEGATIONS?
04:44:56.845 >> I PERSONALLY DID NOT.
04:44:57.412 >> SO MY QUESTION WAS DID YOU
04:45:00.783 OR ANYBODY ON YOUR BEHALF?
04:45:02.951 >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN, DID
04:45:04.520 SOMEONE SPEAK FOR ME?
04:45:05.888 >> SOMEBODY THAT IS WORKING
04:45:08.324 WITH YOU OR HELPING YOU, DID
04:45:10.860 SOMEBODY AT YOUR BEHEST ON YOUR
04:45:13.029 BEHALF SPEAK TO SOMEBODY IN
04:45:14.597 CONGRESS OR A STAFF?
04:45:16.031 >> I'M NOT SURE.
04:45:16.799 I'M NOT SURE HOW THOSE
04:45:18.201 EXCHANGES WENT.
04:45:18.935 BUT I DIDN'T SPEAK TO ANYONE.
04:45:23.005 >> OKAY.
04:45:25.141 IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SOMEBODY
04:45:26.909 DID?
04:45:27.109 >> I THINK SO, IT WOULD BE
04:45:31.180 POSSIBLE.
04:45:31.447 I'M GUESSING IT WOULD BE
04:45:34.250 POSSIBLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
04:45:35.250 >> EXCUSE ME.
04:45:35.617 YOU ASKED HER NOT TO GUESS AND
04:45:37.486 NOW YOU'RE ASKING HER WHAT'S
04:45:38.354 POSSIBLE, SO I THINK IF YOU
04:45:40.089 WANT TO ASK HER WHAT SHE KNOWS,
04:45:40.990 YOU SHOULD ASK HER WHAT SHE
04:45:43.826 KNOWS.
04:45:44.060 >> IS THAT A REJECTION,
04:45:45.461 COUNSEL?
04:45:45.728 >> IT IS A REJECTION.
04:45:46.562 >> I'LL HAVE THE CHAIR RULE ON
04:45:55.004 THAT.
04:45:59.475 >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
04:46:01.544 >> YOU SHOULD ANSWER THE
04:46:02.478 QUESTION UNLESS THERE'S A LEGAL
04:46:03.880 REASON FOR NOT ANSWERING IT ON
04:46:06.616 ADVICE OF YOUR COUNSEL.
04:46:07.549 >> SO I DON'T TOTALLY
04:46:08.517 UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, BUT I
04:46:10.620 DIDN'T SPEAK WITH ANYONE DURING
04:46:15.024 THAT TIME FRAME OTHER THAN MY
04:46:18.227 COUNSEL.
04:46:18.594 >> OKAY.
04:46:18.861 YOU'VE SAID REPEATEDLY THAT YOU
04:46:20.062 DID NOT THINK THAT THAT LETTER
04:46:21.564 THAT YOU WROTE ON JULY 30th WAS
04:46:24.300 GOING TO BE RELEASED TO THE
04:46:27.470 PUBLIC, IS THAT CORRECT?
04:46:28.003 >> CORRECT.
04:46:28.337 >> AND IS IT TRUE THAT YOU DID
04:46:32.575 NOT AUTHORIZE IT TO BE RELEASED
04:46:36.312 AT ANY TIME?
04:46:38.481 >> CORRECT.
04:46:38.814 >> OKAY.
04:46:39.081 BESIDES YOUR ATTORNEYS, DID YOU
04:46:40.483 PROVIDE -- YOU PROVIDED THAT
04:46:42.151 LETTER TO SENATOR FEINSTEIN, IS
04:46:43.686 THAT CORRECT?
04:46:44.019 >> I PROVIDED HER A LETTER ON
04:46:46.088 JULY 30th.
04:46:46.421 >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE JULY
04:46:49.058 30th LETTER.
04:46:49.391 >> OKAY.
04:46:49.658 >> AND YOU PROVIDED THAT LETTER
04:46:52.428 TO SENATOR FEINSTEIN, CORRECT?
04:46:53.395 >> UH-HUH.
04:46:53.696 >> IS THAT A YES?
04:46:54.963 >> YES.
04:46:56.265 >> AND YOU PROVIDED THE LETTER
04:46:58.601 TO REPRESENTATIVE ESHOO TO
04:47:01.337 DELIVER IT TO SENATOR
04:47:04.674 FEINSTEIN.
04:47:04.974 >> YES.
04:47:05.207 >> BESIDES THOSE TWO
04:47:07.009 INDIVIDUALS REPRESENTATIVE
04:47:07.576 ESHOO AND SENATOR FEINSTEIN AND
04:47:09.645 YOUR ATTORNEYS, DID YOU PROVIDE
04:47:10.946 THAT LETTER TO NIZ ONE ELSE?
04:47:14.884 >> NO.
04:47:16.619 -- TO ANYONE ELSE?
04:47:17.386 >> NO.
04:47:18.421 >> DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT LETTER
04:47:26.596 BECAME PUBLIC?
04:47:27.029 >> NO.
04:47:27.262 >> AFTER THAT LETTER WAS MADE
04:47:28.798 PUBLIC OR LEAKED, DID YOU REACH
04:47:35.004 BACK OUT TO THE "WASHINGTON
04:47:41.210 POST"?
04:47:45.548 >> I REACHED OUT -- WELL, THEY
04:47:47.817 WERE CONTINUOUSLY REACHING OUT
04:47:50.853 TO ME, AND I WAS NOT
04:47:54.223 RESPONDING, BUT THE TIME THAT I
04:47:54.957 DID RESPOND AND AGREE TO DO THE
04:47:56.826 SIT DOWN IS ONCE THE REPORTERS
04:47:58.627 STARTED SHOWING UP AT MY HOME
04:48:04.166 AND AT MY WORK PLACE.
04:48:05.234 >> OKAY.
04:48:06.168 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
04:48:09.238 DR. FORD, THANK YOU FOR BEING
04:48:11.240 HERE.
04:48:11.674 I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE
04:48:12.975 THAT THIS IS NOT A COURTROOM,
04:48:15.244 THIS IS NOT A LEGAL PROCEEDING,
04:48:17.446 YOU'RE HERE UNDER YOUR OWN
04:48:19.415 VOLUNTARY LITION, AND THOUGH
04:48:20.182 THE PROSECUTOR HAS BEEN ENGAGED
04:48:22.985 HERE TO REPRESENT MY
04:48:23.552 COLLEAGUES, YOU'RE HERE AS YOU
04:48:26.622 SAID OUT OF A CIVIC DUTY, AND I
04:48:29.425 WANT TO JOIN MY COLLEAGUES --
04:48:31.260 IT'S REALLY MORE THAN THAT.
04:48:32.361 YOU KNOW, OUR FOUNDING
04:48:33.562 DOCUMENTS TALK ABOUT CIVIC DUTY
04:48:36.064 OR DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
04:48:37.500 TALKS ABOUT BEFORE THIS COUNTRY
04:48:38.800 PLEDGING YOUR LIVES, YOUR
04:48:40.669 FORTUNES AND YOUR SACRED HONOR.
04:48:41.503 AND ANYBODY WHO'S READ YOUR
04:48:43.472 TESTIMONY KNOWS WHAT YOU'VE HAD
04:48:48.411 TO SACRIFICE BY COMING FORWARD.
04:48:50.912 YOUR LIFE HAS BEEN UPENDED,
04:48:53.949 YOU'VE RECEIVED VICIOUS HATEFUL
04:48:55.418 THREATS, DETZ THREATS.
04:48:55.918 YOU'VE HAD TO MOVE OUT OF YOUR
04:48:57.887 FAMILY HOME, TO SOME EXPENSE, I
04:49:00.823 IMAGINE, TO YOU AND YOUR
04:49:02.625 FAMILY.
04:49:02.858 YOU'VE HAD TO ENGAGE SECURITY
04:49:04.560 TO SOME EXPENSE.
04:49:07.029 YOU'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH
04:49:09.665 INCREDIBLE CHALLENGES.
04:49:10.165 AND WHAT'S AMAZING AND I WANT
04:49:12.768 TO JOIN MY COLLEAGUES IN
04:49:14.837 THANKING YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE
04:49:17.106 AND BRAVERY COMING FORWARD TO
04:49:17.740 HELP US DEAL WITH ONE OF THE
04:49:20.943 MOST IMPORTANT OBLIGATIONS A
04:49:22.111 SENATOR HAS, TO ADVISE AND
04:49:23.312 CONSENT ON ONE OF THE BRANCHES
04:49:25.381 OF OUR GOVERNMEN, THE HIGHEST
04:49:26.649 COURTS IN THE LAND, AN
04:49:29.351 INDIVIDUAL GOING BEFORE A
04:49:29.951 LIFETIME APPOINTMENT.
04:49:30.418 AND YOU EVEN SAID THAT THE
04:49:31.120 PRESIDENT HAD A LOT OF FOLKS ON
04:49:34.523 THAT LIST AND YOUR FEAR WAS
04:49:38.260 THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL WHO
04:49:39.028 ASSAULTED YOU WOULD ASCEND TO
04:49:41.864 THAT SEAT, THAT'S CORRECT,
04:49:42.865 RIGHT?
04:49:43.098 >> CORRECT.
04:49:43.699 >> YES.
04:49:44.033 AND IT IS CORRECT THAT YOU HAVE
04:49:46.001 GIVEN A LOT OF RESOURCES, TAKEN
04:49:47.603 A LOT OF THREATS TO COME
04:49:50.673 FORWARD, CORRECT?
04:49:51.073 >> CORRECT.
04:49:51.407 >> ASSAULTS ON YOUR DIGNITY AND
04:49:53.843 YOUR HUMANITY?
04:49:54.210 >> ABSOLUTELY.
04:49:54.577 >> HOW HAS IT AFFECTED YOUR
04:49:57.480 CHILDREN?
04:49:57.880 >> THEY'RE DOING FAIRLY WELL
04:49:59.080 CONSIDERING.
04:49:59.414 THANK YOU FOR ASKING.
04:50:00.983 >> AND YOUR HUSBAND?
04:50:03.018 >> DOING FAIRLY WELL
04:50:04.086 CONSIDERING, YEAH.
04:50:05.087 THANK YOU.
04:50:05.387 WE HAVE A VERY SUPPORTIVE
04:50:07.857 COMMUNITY.
04:50:08.157 >> THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.
04:50:09.291 I WANT TO USE A DIFFERENT WORD
04:50:13.929 FOR YOUR COURAGE BECAUSE THIS
04:50:14.529 IS MORE -- AS MUCH AS THIS
04:50:15.931 HEARING IS ABOUT A SUPREME
04:50:18.166 COURT JUSTICE, THE REALITY IS
04:50:19.635 BY YOU COMING FORWARD, YOUR
04:50:21.437 COURAGE, YOU ARE AFFECTING THE
04:50:26.108 CULTURE OF OUR COUNTRY.
04:50:26.841 WE HAVE A WONDERFUL NATION, AN
04:50:28.777 INCREDIBLE CULTURE, BUT THERE
04:50:30.913 ARE DARK ELEMENTS THAT ALLOW
04:50:34.750 UNCONCHENNABLE LEVELS OF UN --
04:50:36.418 UNACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SEXUAL
04:50:37.920 ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT
04:50:38.888 THAT ARE AFFECTING GIRLS AND
04:50:40.623 BOYS AND AFFECTING MEN AND
04:50:41.824 WOMEN FROM BIG MEDIA OUTLETS TO
04:50:45.427 CORPORATIONS TO FACTORY FLOORS
04:50:47.029 TO SERVERS IN RESTAURANTS TO
04:50:48.197 OUR INTIMATE SPACES IN HOMES
04:50:49.431 AND APARTMENTS ALL AROUND THIS
04:50:51.100 COUNTRY.
04:50:53.135 I STEPPED OUT DURING THE BREAK
04:50:55.004 AND WAS DELUGED WITH NOTES FROM
04:50:57.206 FRIENDS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY,
04:50:58.441 SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS THAT THERE
04:50:59.408 ARE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF
04:51:00.643 THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WATCHING
04:51:02.711 YOUR TESTIMONY RIGHT NOW AND
04:51:03.979 NOTE AFTER NOTE THAT I GOT
04:51:06.482 PEOPLE IN TEARS, FEELING PAIN
04:51:08.350 AND ANGUISH, NOT JUST FEELING
04:51:09.852 YOUR PAIN, BUT FEELING THEIR
04:51:12.888 OWN WHO HAVE NOT COME FORWARD.
04:51:15.757 YOU ARE OPENING UP TO OPEN-AIR
04:51:17.025 HURT AND PAIN THAT GOES ON
04:51:19.828 ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
04:51:20.729 AND FOR THAT THE WORD I WOULD
04:51:22.932 USE, IT'S NOTHING SHORT OF
04:51:24.166 HEROIC BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE
04:51:26.268 DOING FOR OUR NATION RIGHT NOW
04:51:27.470 BESIDES GIVING TESTIMONY
04:51:28.871 GERMANE TO ONE OF THE MOST
04:51:30.105 SACRED OBLIGATIONS OF OUR
04:51:34.944 OFFICES IS YOU ARE SPEAKING
04:51:37.312 TRUTH THAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS
04:51:39.014 TO UNDERSTAND.
04:51:39.381 AND HOW WE DEAL WITH SURVIVORS
04:51:42.451 WHO COME FORWARD RIGHT NOW IS
04:51:44.353 UNACCEPTABLE, AND THE WAY WE
04:51:47.022 DEAL WITH THIS, UNFORTUNATELY,
04:51:48.257 ALLOWS FOR THE CONTINUED
04:51:50.626 DARKNESS OF THIS CULTURE TO
04:51:53.228 EXIST, AND YOUR BRILLIANCE,
04:51:54.129 SHINING A LIGHT ONTO THIS AND
04:51:55.197 SPEAKING YOUR TRUTH IS NOTHING
04:51:58.968 SHORT OF HEROIC.
04:51:59.434 BUT TO THE MATTER AT HAND, ONE
04:52:00.870 OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO I HAVE A
04:52:02.037 LOT OF RESPECT FOR AND I DO
04:52:04.640 CONSIDER HIM A FRIEND WENT TO
04:52:05.641 THE SENATE FLOOR AND SPOKE
04:52:07.443 TRUTH TO BOTH SIDES OF THE
04:52:09.778 POLITICAL AISLE, SENATOR FLAKE
04:52:12.081 SAID YESTERDAY THIS IS A
04:52:12.982 LIFETIME APPOINTMENT AND THIS
04:52:16.352 IS SAID TO BE A DELIBERATIVE
04:52:18.020 BODY.
04:52:18.220 IN THE INTEREST OF DUE
04:52:20.555 DILIGENCE AND FAIRNESS, HER
04:52:21.924 CLAIMS MUST BE FULLY AIRED AND
04:52:24.460 CONSIDERED, I AGREE WITH HIM.
04:52:25.060 BUT YOU'VE ASKED FOR THINGS
04:52:28.864 THAT WOULD GIVE A FULL AIRING
04:52:31.767 FROM CORROBORATING WITNESSES TO
04:52:35.204 BE CALLED, YOU'VE SBMITTED TO
04:52:38.774 AN INTRUSIVE POLYGRAPH TEST.
04:52:40.109 CAN YOU ANSWER FOR ME HOW DO
04:52:41.577 YOU FEEL THAT ALL THE THINGS
04:52:43.545 THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE
04:52:45.381 THOROUGHLY TO HELP THIS
04:52:47.016 DELIBERATIVE BODY HAVE NOT BEEN
04:52:53.488 HONORED IN THIS SO-CALLED
04:52:54.256 INVESTIGATION?
04:52:55.057 >> I WISH THAT I COULD BE MORE
04:52:57.927 HELPFUL AND THAT OTHERS COULD
04:53:00.563 BE MORE HOPEFUL AND THAT WE
04:53:02.231 COULD COLLABORATE IN A WAY THAT
04:53:03.999 WOULD GET AT MORE INFORMATION.
04:53:05.367 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:53:07.002 MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D JUST LIKE TO
04:53:10.906 INTRODUCE FOR THE RECORD SEVEN
04:53:12.574 LETTERS FROM LAMB TO LEGAL FROM
04:53:17.479 MORMON WOMEN FOR ETHICAL
04:53:18.981 GOVERNMENT, YOUTH-LED
04:53:20.249 ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THIS
04:53:21.350 COUNTRY, THE INTERNATIONAL
04:53:22.718 UNIONS, BRICK LAYERS, ALLIED
04:53:23.819 CRAFT WORKERS, A LETTER FROM
04:53:25.320 295 SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL
04:53:26.922 VIOLENCE IN SUPPORT OF DR. FORD
04:53:31.493 AND A LETTER FROM 1,600 MEN,
04:53:32.895 IT'S A CAMPAIGN IN SUPPORT OF
04:53:34.430 DR. FORD, AND THOSE WHO WANT TO
04:53:39.535 ASSERT MEN AND WOMEN THAT
04:53:41.670 SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE
04:53:43.439 ARE NOT OPOR TUNISTS, DO NOT
04:53:44.907 HAVE POLITICAL AXES TO GRIND,
04:53:46.709 BUT ARE COMING FORWARD WITH
04:53:47.543 COURAGE AND HEART TO SPEAK
04:53:49.311 THEIR TRUTH IN TRYING TO END
04:53:51.013 THE SCOURGE OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
04:53:52.614 AND VIOLENCE IN THIS COUNTRY.
04:53:54.917 >> WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO
04:53:57.052 ORDERED.
04:53:58.187 SENATOR TILLIS, MS. MITCHELL
04:54:03.458 FOR SENATOR TILLIS.
04:54:04.125 >> DR. FORD, IN CHOOSING
04:54:07.162 ATTORNEYS, DID ANYONE HELP YOU
04:54:08.197 WITH THE CHOICE ON WHO TO
04:54:13.702 CHOOSE?
04:54:13.969 >> VARIOUS PEOPLE REFERRED ME
04:54:15.738 TO LAWYERS THAT THEY KNEW IN
04:54:19.074 THE WASHINGTON D.C. AREA, SO,
04:54:20.175 AS YOU KNOW, I GREW UP IN THIS
04:54:21.810 AREA, SO I ASKED SOME FAMILY
04:54:25.147 MEMBERSAND FRIENDS, AND THEY
04:54:26.381 WOULD -- THEY REFERRED ME TO
04:54:28.183 LIKE DIVORCE ATTORNEYS THAT
04:54:30.586 MIGHT KNOW SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT
04:54:32.821 KNOW SOMEBODY AND ENDED UP
04:54:34.923 INTERVIEWING SEVERAL LAW FIRMS
04:54:36.959 FROM THE D.C. AREA.
04:54:38.160 >> AND DID ANYBODY BESIDES
04:54:39.661 FRIENDS AND FAMILY REFER YOU TO
04:54:44.233 ANY ATTORNEYS?
04:54:44.933 >> I THINK THAT THE STAFF OF
04:54:47.703 DIANNE FEINSTEIN'S OFFICE
04:54:49.138 SUGGESTED THE POSSIBILITY OF
04:54:50.572 SOME ATTORNEYS.
04:54:50.939 >> INCLUDING THE TWO THAT ARE
04:54:53.008 SITTING ON EITHER SIDE OF YOU?
04:54:54.910 >> NOT BOTH OF THEM, NO.
04:55:02.016 >> OKAY.
04:55:03.018 WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT F.B.I.
04:55:08.056 INVESTIGATIONS.
04:55:08.824 WHEN DID YOU PERSONALLY FIRST
04:55:18.267 REQUEST AN F.B.I.
04:55:19.167 INVESTIGATION?
04:55:19.534 >> I GUESS WHEN WE FIRST
04:55:21.837 STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE
04:55:22.904 POSSIBILITY OF A HEARING I WAS
04:55:24.306 HOPING THAT THERE WOULD BE A
04:55:28.577 MORE THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.
04:55:29.244 >> WOULD THAT INVESTIGATION
04:55:30.045 HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT YOU
04:55:31.980 WOULD HAVE SUBMITTED TO AN
04:55:33.749 INTERVIEW?
04:55:34.049 >> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO
04:55:35.718 COOPERATE WITH THE F.B.I., YES.
04:55:36.685 >> WOULD YOU HAVE BEEN HAPPY TO
04:55:39.788 SUBMIT TO AN INTERVIEW BY STAFF
04:55:46.929 MEMBERS FROM THIS COMMITTEE?
04:55:49.131 >> ABSOLUTELY.
04:55:49.498 >> OKAY.
04:55:50.532 BESIDES -- YOU MENTIONED SOME
04:55:54.403 GOFUNDME ACCOUNTS.
04:55:54.836 BESIDES THOSE, ARE THERE ANY
04:55:56.872 OTHER EFFORTS OUTSIDE OF YOUR
04:55:58.140 OWN PERSONAL FINANCES TO PAY
04:56:00.742 FOR YOUR LEGAL FEES OR ANY OF
04:56:06.114 THE COSTS INCURRED, ACCRUED?
04:56:06.714 >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT
04:56:07.549 SOME OF MY TEAM IS WORKING ON A
04:56:09.418 PRO BONO BASIS, BUT I DON'T
04:56:13.355 KNOW THE EXACT DETAILS AND
04:56:14.923 THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE
04:56:15.791 COMMUNITY IN PALO ALTO THAT
04:56:17.926 HAVE THE MEANS TO CONTRIBUTE TO
04:56:20.662 HELP ME WITH THE SECURITY
04:56:25.167 DETAIL, ET CETERA.
04:56:25.600 >> HAVE YOU BEEN PROVIDED --
04:56:26.234 >> I THINK I CAN HELP YOU WITH
04:56:29.705 THAT.
04:56:29.972 BOTH HER COUNSEL ARE DOING THIS
04:56:31.740 PROBONO.
04:56:32.007 WE ARE NOT BEING PAID AND WE
04:56:33.408 HAVE NO EXPECTATION OF BEING
04:56:37.512 PAID.
04:56:37.712 >> THANK YOU, COUNSEL.
04:56:38.246 HAVE YOU SEEN ANY OF THE
04:56:39.281 QUESTIONS THAT I WAS GOING TO
04:56:42.985 ASK YOU TODAY?
04:56:43.418 >> NO.
04:56:43.952 >> HAVE YOU -- YOU'VE BEEN
04:56:46.288 ASKED A FEW QUESTIONS BY OTHER
04:56:47.389 PEOPLE AS WELL.
04:56:47.889 HAVE YOU SEEN ANY OF THOSE
04:56:49.992 QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE?
04:56:50.926 >> NO.
04:56:51.192 >> HAVE YOU BEEN TOLD THEM IN
04:56:53.061 ADVANCE?
04:56:53.328 >> NO.
04:56:53.595 >> AND LIKEWISE WITH MY
04:56:54.930 QUESTIONS, HAVE YOU BEEN TOLD
04:56:56.131 MY QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE?
04:57:02.905 >> DEFINITELY NOT.
04:57:04.006 >> OKAY.
04:57:04.273 YOU MENTIONED ABOUT SOME
04:57:05.607 POSSIBLE INFORMATION SUCH AS
04:57:08.577 WHEN MARK JUDGE WORKED AT THE
04:57:10.612 SUPERMARKET.
04:57:10.945 I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOMEONE
04:57:13.649 ELSE.
04:57:14.316 YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A
04:57:15.617 CLASSMATE WHO WAS REALLY SORT
04:57:18.987 OF THE CONNECTION BETWEEN YOU
04:57:22.691 AND BRETT KAVANAUGH.
04:57:23.158 WHO WAS THIS PERSON?
04:57:24.626 >> I THINK THAT THAT CASE WITH
04:57:28.430 MR. WHALEN WHO WAS LOOKING AT
04:57:30.365 MY LINKEDIN PAGE AND THEN
04:57:31.900 TRYING TO BLAME THE PERSON, I
04:57:33.669 JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S RIGHT
04:57:34.569 FOR US TO BE TALKING ABOUT
04:57:36.838 THAT.
04:57:37.038 >> I'M NOT TRYING TO BLAME
04:57:38.106 ANYBODY.
04:57:38.373 I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO THE
04:57:39.674 COMMON FRIEND THAT YOU AND --
04:57:41.176 >> THE PERSON THAT MR. WHALEN
04:57:43.412 WAS TRYING TO SAY LOOKED LIKE
04:57:46.848 MR. KAVANAUGH.
04:57:47.248 >> OKAY.
04:57:47.515 HOW LONG DID YOU KNOW THIS
04:57:53.956 PERSON?
04:57:54.189 >> MAYBE A COUPLE OF MONTHS WE
04:57:55.991 SOCIALIZED, BUT HE ALSO WAS A
04:57:57.292 MEMBER OF THE SAME COUNTRY CLUB
04:57:59.027 AND I KNEW HIS YOUNGER BROTHER
04:58:01.296 AS WELL.
04:58:02.164 >> OKAY.
04:58:02.431 SO A COUPLE MONTHS BEFORE THIS
04:58:08.837 TOOK PLACE?
04:58:09.137 >> YES.
04:58:09.404 >> OKAY.
04:58:09.671 HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE YOUR
04:58:11.239 RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM BOTH
04:58:12.708 BEFORE AND AFTER THIS TOOK
04:58:17.245 PLACE, THIS PERSON?
04:58:18.046 >> HE WAS SOMEBODY THAT -- WE
04:58:20.282 USE THE PHRASE I WENT OUT WITH,
04:58:21.650 I WOULDN'T SAY DATE, I WENT OUT
04:58:25.320 WITH FOR A FEW MONTHS.
04:58:26.121 THAT'S HOW HE TERMED IT AT THE
04:58:28.991 TIME.
04:58:29.191 AND AFTER THAT WE WERE DISTANT
04:58:31.026 FRIENDS AND RAN INTO EACH OTHER
04:58:34.062 PERIODICALLY AT COLUMBIA
04:58:35.030 COUNTRY CLUB, BUT I DIDN'T HIM
04:58:37.833 OFTEN.
04:58:38.066 I SAW HIS BROTHER AND HIM
04:58:41.570 SEVERAL TIMES.
04:58:42.004 >> WAS THIS PERSON THE ONLY
04:58:44.606 COMMON LINK BETWEEN YOU AND
04:58:46.875 JUDGE KAVANAUGH?
04:58:47.442 >> HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I
04:58:48.977 WOULD BE ABLE TO NAME RIGHT NOW
04:58:50.946 THAT I WOULD LIKE TO NOT NAME,
04:58:55.250 BUT YOU KNOW WHO I MEAN.
04:58:57.385 BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY OTHER
04:58:58.620 MEMBERS OF COLUMBIA COUNTRY
04:58:59.754 CLUB THAT WERE COMMON FRIENDS
04:59:01.924 OR THERE WERE MORE
04:59:04.559 ACQUAINTANCES
04:59:25.079 >> BRIEFLY YES I CAN, DURING
04:59:25.713 FRESHMAN AND SOPHOMORE YEAR,
04:59:26.314 PARTICULARLY MY SOPHOMORE YEAR,
04:59:26.948 WHICH WOULD HAVE BEE HIS
04:59:27.481 JUNIOR YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL,
04:59:28.416 FOUR OR FIVE PARTIES THAT MY
04:59:29.050 FRIENDS AND I ATTENDED THAT
04:59:30.218 WERE ATTENDED ALSO BY HIM.
04:59:40.595 >> DID ANYTHING HAPPEN AT THESE
04:59:41.295 EVENTS?
04:59:41.529 LIKE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?
04:59:42.096 BESIDES THE TIME WE ARE TALKING
04:59:42.730 ABOUT?
04:59:42.964 >> YOU CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION
04:59:44.398 AND THEN I WILL GO TO SENATOR
04:59:45.600 HARRIS.
04:59:46.435 GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THAT
04:59:47.235 QUESTION.
04:59:47.502 >> THERE WAS NO SEXUAL ASSAULT
04:59:51.539 AT ANY OF THOSE EVENTS.
04:59:52.106 IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE ASKING?
04:59:52.740 >> YES.
04:59:53.007 THOSE WERE JUST PARTIES.
04:59:53.541 >> OR ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATE
04:59:55.377 IS WHAT I'M ASKING.
04:59:56.377 >> MAYBE WE CAN GO INTO MORE
04:59:59.214 DETAIL WHEN THERE'S MORE TIME.
05:00:00.315 I FEEL TIME PRESSURE ON THAT
05:00:04.186 QUESTION.
05:00:04.486 I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER IN FURTHER
05:00:05.120 DETAIL IF YOU WANT ME TO.
05:00:05.687 >> I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD AND
05:00:08.023 FINISH ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.
05:00:08.657 >> OKAY.
05:00:11.326 DID YOU WANT ME TO DESCRIBE
05:00:12.527 THOSE PARTIES OR?
05:00:14.930 >> SHOULD WE LEAVE THIS TO THE
05:00:17.765 NEXT ROUND, MISTER CHAIRMAN?
05:00:22.570 >> ANSWER THE QUESTION.
05:00:23.071 >> I'M JUST HAPPY TO DESCRIBE
05:00:23.738 THEM IF YOU WANT TO ME TO OR
05:00:26.408 I'M HAPPY TO NOT, JUST,
05:00:26.908 WHATEVER YOU WANT.
05:00:31.512 WHATEVER IS YOUR PREFERENCE.
05:00:32.146 >> MAYBE THIS WILL CUT TO THE
05:00:32.814 CHASE BUT MY QUESTION IS WAS
05:00:33.381 úT
05:00:34.916 SEXUALLY INAPPROPRIATE?
05:00:36.618 ANY INAPPROPRIATE SEXUAL
05:00:37.419 BEHAVIOR ON THE PART OF MISTER
05:00:39.120 KAVANAUGH TOWARDS YOU AT ANY OF
05:00:41.189 THESE OTHER FUNCTIONS?
05:00:48.997 >> NO.
05:00:49.230 >> SENATOR HARRIS?
05:00:49.664 >> DOCTOR FORD, FIRST OF ALL,
05:00:50.331 JUST SO WE CAN LEVEL THAT YOU
05:00:50.965 KNOW YOU ARE NOT ON TRIAL.
05:00:51.533 YOU ARE NOT ON TRIAL.
05:00:52.868 YOU ARE SITTING HERE BEFORE
05:00:55.069 MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES
05:00:56.438 SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
05:00:59.106 BECAUSE YOU HAD THE COURAGE TO
05:01:02.911 COME FORWARD BECAUSE, AS YOU
05:01:05.547 HAVE SAID, YOU BELIEVE IT WAS
05:01:08.783 YOUR CIVIC DUTY.
05:01:09.217 I WAS STRUCK IN YOUR TESTIMONY
05:01:11.586 BY WHAT YOU INDICATED AS YOUR
05:01:15.023 INTENTION WHEN YOU FIRST LET
05:01:16.424 ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE
05:01:18.927 HEARINGS KNOW ABOUT IT WHAT YOU
05:01:20.729 BASICALLY SAID IS YOU REACHED
05:01:21.696 OUT TO YOUR REPRESENTATIVE IN
05:01:26.801 THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS
05:01:27.369 HOPING THAT PERSON WOULD INFORM
05:01:28.170 THE WHITE HOUSE BEFORE JUDGE
05:01:32.907 KAVANAUGH HAD BEEN NAMED.
05:01:43.952 THAT'S EXTREMELY PERSUASIVE
05:01:44.519 ABOUT YOUR MOTIVATION FOR
05:01:45.086 COMING FORWARD.
05:01:45.486 I WANT TO THANK YOU.
05:01:46.020 I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
05:01:46.688 COURAGE AND TELL YOU I BELIEVE
05:01:47.322 YOU.
05:01:47.522 I BELIEVE YOU.
05:01:48.924 I BELIEVE MANY AMERICANS ACROSS
05:01:49.591 THIS COUNTRY BELIEVE YOU.
05:01:51.760 WHAT I FIND STRIKING ABOUT YOUR
05:01:52.627 TESTIMONY IS YOU REMEMBER KEY
05:02:00.602 SEARING DETAILS OF WHAT
05:02:01.135 HAPPENED TO YOU.
05:02:01.536 YOU TOLD YOUR HUSBAND AND
05:02:02.103 THERAPIST, TWO OF THE MOST
05:02:02.904 INTIMATE UP YOUR PAPA JOHN'S
05:02:05.440 COME AND YOU TOLD THEM YEARS AGO
05:02:06.707 ABOUT THIS ASSAULT. YOU HAVE
05:02:10.412 SHARED YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH
05:02:11.346 MULTIPLE FRIENDS YEARS AFTER
05:02:13.515 THAT AND BEFORE.
05:02:15.450 BEFORE THESE HEARINGSEVER
05:02:16.651 STARTED.
05:02:16.951 I KNOW HAVING PERSONALLY
05:02:20.855 PROSECUTED SEXUAL ASSAULT CASES
05:02:21.489 AND CHILD SEXUAL ASSAULT CASES
05:02:22.123 THAT STUDY AFTER STUDY SHOW
05:02:26.861 TRAUMA, SHAME, AND THE FEAR OF
05:02:28.263 CONSEQUENCES ALMOST ALWAYS CAUSE
05:02:30.165 SURVIVORS TO AT THE VERY LEAST
05:02:33.168 DELAY REPORTING, IF THEY EVER
05:02:35.036 REPORT AT ALL.
05:02:39.074 POLICE RECOGNIZE THAT.
05:02:39.607 PROSECUTORS RECOGNIZE THAT
05:02:40.475 MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH
05:02:42.911 PROFESSIONALS RECOGNIZE THAT.
05:02:45.747 THE NOTES FROM YOUR THERE BE
05:02:48.350 SESSIONS WERE CREATED BEFORE
05:02:49.851 THIS NOMINATION AND CORROBORATE
05:02:51.786 WHAT YOU HAVE SAID TODAY. úYOU
05:02:57.292 SUBMITTED THE RESULTS TO THIS
05:02:58.360 COMMITTEE.
05:03:03.431 JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS NOT.
05:03:03.998 YOU HAVE CALLED FOR OUTSIDE
05:03:04.565 WITNESSES TO TESTIFY AND FOR
05:03:06.234 EXPERT WITNESSES TO TESTIFY.
05:03:08.036 JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS NOT.
05:03:12.574 MOST IMPORTANTLY, YOU HAVE
05:03:14.376 CALLED FOR AN INDEPENDENT AND
05:03:16.544 G.I.
05:03:16.744 INVESTIGATION INTO THE FACTS.
05:03:20.048 JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS NOT.
05:03:24.519 WE OWE YOU THAT.
05:03:24.952 WE OWE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT.
05:03:26.821 LET'S TALK ABOUT WHY THIS IS SO
05:03:28.689 IMPORTANT.
05:03:30.358 CONTRARY TO WHAT HAS BEEN SAID
05:03:31.459 TODAY, THE FBI DOES NOT REACH
05:03:33.762 CONCLUSIONS. THE FBI
05:03:36.364 INVESTIGATES. IT INTERVIEWS
05:03:41.503 WITNESSES, GATHERS FACTS, AND
05:03:42.404 PRESENT THAT INFORMATION TO THE
05:03:45.573 UNITED STATES SENATE FOR OUR
05:03:46.173 CONSIDERATION AND JUDGMENT THIS
05:03:46.807 COMMITTEE KNOWS THAT IN SPITE
05:03:48.543 OF WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD.
05:03:51.880 IN 1991 DURING A SIMILAR HEARING
05:03:55.016 ONE OF MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES
05:03:56.884 IN THIS COMMITTEE STATED THESE
05:03:59.554 CLAIMS WERE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BY
05:04:01.723 HAVING THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF
05:04:02.957 INVESTIGATION'S LAUNCH AND
05:04:05.293 INQUIRY TO DETERMINE THEIR
05:04:08.997 VALIDITY.
05:04:09.297 THE FBI FULFILLED ITS DUTY AND
05:04:09.931 ISSUED A CONFIDENTIAL REPORT.
05:04:12.267 THAT COULD HAVE AND SHOULD HAVE
05:04:13.368 BEEN DONE HERE.
05:04:17.806 THIS MORNING IT WAS SAID THAT
05:04:18.406 THIS COULD HAVE BEEN
05:04:19.240 INVESTIGATED CONFIDENTIALLY
05:04:21.710 BACK IN JULY.
05:04:22.110 THIS ALSO COULD HAVE BEEN
05:04:23.111 INVESTIGATED IN THE LAST 11 DAYS
05:04:27.382 SINCE YOU CAME FORWARD FORGET,
05:04:28.016 THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.
05:04:29.184 THE FBI COULD HAVE INTERVIEWED
05:04:31.019 MARK JUDGE, PATRICK SMITH EMMA
05:04:33.655 LEE LINDA KAISER, YOU, AND
05:04:37.325 JUDGE KAVANAUGH.
05:04:40.195 ON THESE ISSUES.
05:04:40.628 THE FBI COULD HAVE EXAMINED
05:04:44.165 VARIOUS MAPS THAT HAVE BEEN
05:04:44.765 PRESENTED BY THE PROSECUTOR WHO
05:04:46.935 STANDS IN FOR THE UNITED STATES
05:04:50.271 SENATORS ON THIS COMMITTEE.
05:04:50.871 THE FBI COULD HAVE GATHERED
05:04:51.472 FACTS ABOUT THE MUSIC OR THE
05:04:52.072 CONVERSATION OR ANY OTHER
05:04:52.606 DETAILS ABOUT THE GATHERING
05:04:55.176 THAT OCCURRED THAT EVENING.
05:04:55.776 THAT IS STANDARD PROCEDURE IN A
05:04:58.913 SEXUAL ASSAULT CASE.
05:04:59.413 IN FACT, THE MANUAL THAT WAS
05:05:00.782 SIGNED OFF BY MS. MITCHELL, THE
05:05:04.119 MANUAL THAT IS POSTED ON THE
05:05:14.295 MARICOPA COUNTY ATTORNEYS
05:05:14.828 WEBSITE AS A GUIDING PRINCIPLE
05:05:15.462 AND BEST PRACTICES FOR WHAT
05:05:16.063 SHOULD HAPPEN WITH SEXUAL
05:05:16.597 ASSAULT CASES HIGHLIGHTS THE
05:05:17.899 DETAILS OF WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN
05:05:18.533 IN TERMS OF THE NEED FOR AN
05:05:23.004 OBJECTIVE INVESTIGATION INTO
05:05:23.704 ANY SEXUAL ASSAULT CASE.
05:05:24.272 IS AS EFFECTIVE INVESTIGATION
05:05:24.905 REQUIRES COOPERATION WITH A
05:05:27.008 MULTIPLE DOSE A
05:05:28.343 MULTIDISCIPLINARY TEAM INCLUDING
05:05:29.244 VICTIM AND -- VICTIM ADVOCATES,
05:05:34.382 INTERVIEWERS, CRIMINALIST, AND
05:05:35.016 OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT MEMBERS.
05:05:38.319 THE MANUAL ALSO STRESSES THE
05:05:38.919 IMPORTANCE OF OBTAINING OUTSIDE
05:05:39.587 WITNESS INFORMATION. YOU HAVE
05:05:41.289 BRAVELY COME FORWARD. YOU HAVE
05:05:44.526 BRAVELY COME FORWARD.
05:05:47.194 I WENT TO THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU
05:05:47.962 CLEARLY HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN
05:05:48.562 WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. YOU HAVE
05:05:50.999 BEEN A TRUE PATRIOT INVITING
05:05:56.103 FOR THE BEST OF WHO WE ARE AS A
05:05:56.804 COUNTRY.
05:05:57.071 I BELIEVE YOU ARE DOING THAT
05:05:57.672 BECAUSE YOU LOVE THIS COUNTRY
05:05:58.272 AND I BELIEVE HISTORY WILL SHOW
05:05:58.940 THAT YOU ARE A TRUE PROFILING
05:06:02.977 IN COURAGE AT THIS MOMENT IN
05:06:04.379 TIME IN OUR HISTORY OF OUR
05:06:07.482 COUNTRY.
05:06:07.749 I THINK YOU.
05:06:08.683 >> SENATOR KENNEDY NOW, PROCEED
05:06:15.056 MS. MITCHELL.
05:06:20.595 >> DOCTOR FORD, WE ARE ALMOST
05:06:21.195 DONE.
05:06:21.429 JUST A COUPLE OF CLEANUP
05:06:22.129 QUESTIONS WHICH OF YOUR TWO
05:06:23.197 LAWYERS DID SENATOR FEINSTEIN'S
05:06:25.767 OFFICE RECOMMEND?
05:06:31.005 >> THE CATS FIRM.
05:06:39.247 >> WHEN YOU DID LEAVE THAT
05:06:39.881 NIGHT DID LINDA KAISER EVER
05:06:40.448 FOLLOW-UP WITH YO SAY, HEY,
05:06:42.117 WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU?
05:06:44.786 >> I HAVE HAD COMMUNICATIONS
05:06:45.887 WITH HER RECENTLY.
05:06:49.657 >> I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE
05:06:50.692 NEXT DAY.
05:06:52.527 >> NO, SHE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT
05:06:53.661 THE EVENT ACTION WAS DOWNSTAIRS
05:06:56.464 DURING THE EVENT AND I DID NOT
05:06:57.098 SHARE IT WITH HER.
05:06:57.565 >> ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE
05:06:58.533 THREE PEOPLE AT THE PARTY
05:07:01.002 BESIDE YOURSELF AND BRETT
05:07:02.003 KAVANAUGH HAVE GIVEN STATEMENTS
05:07:05.839 UNDER PENALTY OF A FELONY TO
05:07:07.208 THE COMMITTEE?
05:07:08.376 >> YES EXPECT ARE YOU AWARE OF
05:07:13.014 WHAT THOSE STATEMENTS SAY?
05:07:13.614 >> YES.
05:07:13.848 >> ARE YOU AWARE THAT THEY SAY
05:07:14.749 THEY HAVE NO MEMORY OR
05:07:16.351 KNOWLEDGE OF SUCH A PARTY?
05:07:18.920 >> YES.
05:07:27.562 BACK TO YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR
05:07:28.229 MOTIVES TO ASCRIBE TO LELAND?
05:07:28.863 >> I GUESS WE COULD TAKE THOSE
05:07:29.530 ONE AT A TIME.
05:07:32.267 LELAND HAS SIGNIFICANT HEALTH
05:07:37.805 CHALLENGES.
05:07:38.139 I'M HAPPY SHE IS FOCUSING ON
05:07:38.973 HERSELF AND GETTING THE HEALTH
05:07:39.607 TREATMENT THAT SHE NEEDS. SHE
05:07:42.744 LET ME KNOW THAT SHE NEEDED HER
05:07:43.877 LAWYER TO TAKE CARE OF THIS FOR
05:07:48.516 HER.
05:07:48.749 SHE TEXTED ME RIGHT AFTERWARD
05:07:49.350 WITH AN APOLOGY AND GOOD WISHES
05:07:53.921 ETC.
05:07:54.121 I AM GLAD SHE IS TAKING CARE OF
05:07:55.356 HERSELF.
05:07:56.424 I DON'T EXPECT THAT PJ AND
05:08:06.734 LELAND WOULD REMEMBER THIS
05:08:07.334 EVENING.
05:08:07.601 IT WAS A VERY UNREMARKABLE
05:08:08.202 PARTY.
05:08:08.435 IT WAS NOT ONE OF THEIR MORE
05:08:10.572 NOTORIOUS PARTIES BECAUSE
05:08:11.105 NOTHING REMARKABLE HAPPENED TO
05:08:12.974 THEM THAT EVENING.
05:08:13.708 THEY WERE DOWNSTAIRS . THE
05:08:15.043 MISTER JUDGE, THIS IS A
05:08:18.580 DIFFERENT STORY, I WOULD EXPECT
05:08:19.247 THAT HE WOULD REMEMBER THAT
05:08:20.181 THIS HAPPENED.
05:08:21.316 >> UNDERSTOOD.
05:08:25.053 >> SENATOR HARRIS JUST
05:08:30.892 QUESTIONED UP FROM THE MARICOPA
05:08:31.559 COUNTY PROTOCOL ON SEXUAL
05:08:32.093 ASSAULT.
05:08:32.360 THAT IS THE PAPER SHE WAS
05:08:32.894 HOLDING UP.
05:08:38.466 ARE YOU AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, I
05:08:39.100 HAVE BEEN REALLY IMPRESSED
05:08:39.700 TODAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TALKED
05:08:40.401 ABOUT EPINEPHRINE AND CORTISOL
05:08:47.942 AND WHAT WE CALL IN THE
05:08:48.509 PROFESSION, BASICALLY, THE
05:08:49.077 NEUROBIOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF
05:08:49.644 TRAUMA.
05:08:49.911 HAVE YOU ALSO EDUCATED YOURSELF
05:08:55.750 ON THE BEST WAY TO GET TO
05:08:56.317 MEMORY AND TRUTH IN TERMS OF
05:08:58.353 INTERVIEWING THE HOMES OF
05:09:03.057 TRAUMA?
05:09:07.662 >> FOR ME INTERVIEWING VICTIMS
05:09:08.329 OF TRAUMA?
05:09:08.629 >> NO.
05:09:08.896 THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.
05:09:09.731 THE BEST PRACTICES FOR
05:09:10.765 INTERVIEWING VICTIMS OF TRAUMA.
05:09:11.432 >> NO.
05:09:15.470 STUCK WOULD YOU BELIEVE ME IF I
05:09:16.137 TOLD YOU THAT THERE IS NO STUDY
05:09:16.804 THAT SAYS THE SETTING IN FIVE
05:09:18.505 MINUTE INCREMENTS IS THE BEST
05:09:19.139 WAY TO DO THAT?
05:09:30.217 >> WE COULD STIPULATE TO THAT.
05:09:30.851 >> THANK YOU, CANCEL.
05:09:31.352 >> AGREED.
05:09:31.685 >> DID YOU KNOW THAT THE BEST
05:09:32.353 WAY TO DO IT IS TO HAVE A
05:09:32.953 TRAINED INTERVIEWER TALK TO YOU
05:09:33.687 ONE-ON-ONE IN A PRIVATE SETTING
05:09:38.693 AND TO LET YOU DO THE TALKING?
05:09:39.360 JUST LET YOU DO A NARRATIVE.
05:09:40.327 DID YOU KNOW THAT?
05:09:41.295 >> THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
05:09:45.266 >> IT DOES MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
05:09:46.801 DOESN'T IT?
05:09:47.502 TO FOLLOW-UP AND FILL IN THE
05:09:49.070 DETAILS AND ASK FOR
05:09:50.905 CLARIFICATION DOES NOT MAKE
05:09:53.474 SENSE AS WELL?
05:09:53.841 >> YES.
05:09:54.074 >> THE RESEARCH IS DONE BY A
05:09:54.909 LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CHILD
05:09:59.580 ABUSE FIELD, TWO OF THE MORE
05:10:00.214 PROMINENT ONES IN THE SEXUAL
05:10:00.881 ASSAULT FIELD ARE GEISEL AND
05:10:03.017 FISHER WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.
05:10:06.120 IT IS CALL A COGNITIVE
05:10:06.621 INTERVIEW.
05:10:06.954 THIS IS NOT A COGNITIVE
05:10:11.025 INTERVIEW.
05:10:14.462 DID ANYBODY EVER ADVISED YOU
05:10:15.062 FROM SENATOR FEINSTEIN'S OFFICE
05:10:20.635 OR FROM REPRESENTATIVE ASHER'S
05:10:21.269 OFFICE TO GO GET A FORENSIC
05:10:23.004 INTERVIEW?
05:10:27.008 >> NO.
05:10:33.948 >> INSTEAD, YOU ARE GUYS TO GET
05:10:34.615 AN ATTORNEY AND TAKE A
05:10:35.115 POLYGRAPH.
05:10:35.416 IS THAT RIGHT?
05:10:35.783 >> MANY PEOPLE ADVISED ME TO
05:10:36.383 GET AN ATTORNEY.
05:10:36.817 ONCE I HAD AN ATTORNEY MY
05:10:37.985 ATTORNEY AND I DISCUSSED USING
05:10:42.523 THE POLYGRAPH.
05:10:42.890 >> INSTEAD OF SUBMITTING TO AN
05:10:43.825 INTERVIEW IN CALIFORNIA FOR
05:10:45.727 HAVING -- WE ARE HAVING A
05:10:49.797 HEARING HERE TODAY IN FIVE
05:10:50.397 MINUTE INCREMENTS.
05:10:51.032 IS THAT RIGHT?
05:10:52.900 >> I AGREED THAT IS WHAT WAS
05:10:55.269 AGREED UPON BY THE COLLEGIAL
05:10:57.405 GROUP HERE.
05:10:58.539 >> OKAY.
05:10:59.440 THANK YOU.
05:11:00.274 I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS
05:11:02.943 EXPECT I HAVE SOMETHING TO
05:11:03.544 SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD. WE
05:11:05.279 RECEIVED THREE STATEMENTS UNDER
05:11:08.082 PENALTY OF MONEY FROM THREE
05:11:11.152 WITNESSES IDENTIFIED BY DOCTOR
05:11:13.954 FORD. MARK JUDGE, LELAND
05:11:16.190 KAISER, AND PATRICK SMITH.
05:11:19.494 ALL THREE DENIED ANY KNOWLEDGE
05:11:20.128 OF THE INCIDENT OR GATHERING
05:11:25.232 DESCRIBED BY DOCTOR FORD
05:11:25.766 WITHOUT OBJECTION I WILL ENTER
05:11:26.434 IN THE RECORD.
05:11:27.234 >> MISTER CHAIRMAN, I HAVE
05:11:28.536 SOMETHING FOR THE RECORD AS
05:11:30.438 WELL.
05:11:30.705 A NUMBER OF LETTERS FROM THE
05:11:34.641 WITNESSES FAMILY, FRIENDS,
05:11:35.209 INCLUDING HER HUSBAND.
05:11:37.111 >> OKAY.
05:11:39.313 I WILL GET TO YOU AS SOON AS
05:11:40.581 THE RANKING MEMBER
05:11:41.749 >> MISTER CHAIRMAN, I HAVE
05:11:42.784 THREE LETTERS ADDRESSED TO BOTH
05:11:46.921 YOU AND THE RANKING MEMBER AND
05:11:52.192 I WOULD ASK THEY BE ENTERED
05:11:52.793 INTO THE RECORD.
05:11:53.193 >> WITHOUT OBJECTION.
05:11:53.694 >> IT IS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING
05:11:54.328 THAT MISTER JUDGE IS NOT
05:11:56.897 WILLING TO COME FORWARD TO
05:11:57.899 ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS.
05:11:59.000 AS A RESULT WE CANNOT TEST HIS
05:12:03.604 MEMORY OR MAKE ANY ASSESSMENT
05:12:04.238 OF HIS THOUGHTFULNESS WERE CARE
05:12:09.310 . I THINK THAT IS WHY THE
05:12:10.144 FAILURE TO CALL HIM TO TESTIFY
05:12:10.778 IS SO VERY CRITICAL. I HOPE
05:12:13.714 THE MAJORITY WOULD RECONSIDER
05:12:15.016 THAT.
05:12:18.753 >> SENATOR BLUMENTHAL.
05:12:19.253 >> MISTER CHAIRMAN, I ASK IF
05:12:19.887 YOU HAVE SWORN STATEMENTS THAT
05:12:20.588 YOU ARE SUBMITTING FOR THE
05:12:22.890 RECORD THAT WE HAVE THOSE
05:12:23.523 INDIVIDUALS COME BEFORE US SO
05:12:24.859 WE CAN ASK THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT
05:12:28.696 THOSE STATEMENTS.
05:12:29.130 I THINK THE NATURE OF THIS
05:12:30.030 PROCEEDING WOULD BE COMPROMISED
05:12:32.600 IF WE LACK AN OPPORTUNITY TO
05:12:36.337 ASK THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT SWORN
05:12:37.471 STATEMENTS THAT WOULD BE PART
05:12:38.706 OF THE RECORD.
05:12:41.809 FRANKLY, MISTER CHAIRMAN, I
05:12:42.376 WOULD OBJECT TO ENTERING THEM
05:12:44.111 INTO THE RECORD.
05:12:44.511 >> MISTER CHAIRMAN --
05:12:53.420 >> SENATOR WHITEHOUSE.
05:12:53.954 >> I HAVE A NUMBER OF LETTERS
05:12:54.622 THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK
05:12:55.189 SUBMITTED TO THE RECORD THAT
05:12:55.823 RELATE TO THE IMPORTANCE OF
05:12:59.026 PROPER INVESTIGATION BY TRAINED
05:13:00.294 PROFESSIONALS IN PULLING THESE
05:13:09.903 KIND OF INVESTIGATIONS TOGETHER
05:13:10.571 FROM THE LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE
05:13:11.204 ON CIVIL AND HUMAN RIGHTS, THE
05:13:11.838 NATIONAL WOMEN'S LAW CENTER,
05:13:12.439 THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR
05:13:13.073 WOMEN, AND SO FORTH.
05:13:13.774 >> SENATOR KENNEDY.
05:13:14.908 >> ESTHER CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A
05:13:17.111 QUESTION.
05:13:17.411 THE STATEMENTS THAT SENATOR
05:13:20.181 BLUMENTHAL TALKED ABOUT SOME OF
05:13:21.548 THOSE WERE STATEMENTS TAKEN BY
05:13:23.017 HOUR MAJORITY STAFF.
05:13:26.921 >> THEY ARE ALREADY IN THE
05:13:27.555 RECORD.
05:13:27.788 >> YES,SIR, THOSE STATEMENTS
05:13:28.422 WERE TAKEN BY HOUR MAJORITY
05:13:29.056 STAFF.
05:13:29.623 >> YES.
05:13:29.957 >> DID MY -- DID MINORITY STEP
05:13:33.394 IT IS.?
05:13:34.228 >> NO.
05:13:34.929 >> WHY NOT.
05:13:35.663 >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK THAT.
05:13:37.932 >> WERE THEY INSTRUCTED NOT TO
05:13:38.832 PRODUCE.?
05:13:39.133 >> NO.
05:13:41.202 >> H -- THEY CHOSE NOT TO?
05:13:43.937 >> THAT'S RIGHT.
05:13:44.338 >> IF I MAY, MISTER CHAIRMAN
05:13:45.505 --
05:13:45.672 >> IF I COULD I STILL THINK I
05:13:49.076 HAVE THE FLOOR.
05:13:49.476 >> LET'S LISTEN TO SENATOR
05:13:50.043 FEINSTEIN EXPECT CAN WE BE
05:13:50.978 EXCUSED?
05:14:02.089 >> THE WITNESS IS QUITE TIRED.
05:14:02.756 >> IF YOU WOULD WAIT JUST A
05:14:03.357 MINUTE I WOULD LIKE TO THANK
05:14:03.957 DOCTOR FORD.
05:14:04.291 >> ALL RIGHT.
05:14:04.691 >> IN FACT, WE ARE GOING TO
05:14:05.325 CONTINUE THIS MEETING.
05:14:05.892 LET'S JUST BE NICE TO HER.
05:14:09.430 DOCTOR FORD, I CAN ONLY SPEAK
05:14:14.235 AS ONE OF 21 SENATORS HERE.
05:14:16.404 I THINK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
05:14:19.973 TESTIMONY.
05:14:20.274 MORE IMPORTANTLY, FOR YOUR
05:14:21.242 BRAVERY COMING OUT AND TRYING
05:14:27.915 TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS AS BEST
05:14:28.549 YOU COULD REMEMBER.
05:14:29.016 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:14:29.516 WE WILL ADJOURN FOR 45 MINUTES
05:14:30.150 -- NOT ADJOURN, RECESS FOR 45
05:14:31.051 MINUTES.
05:14:35.322 S.
05:14:42.997 >> THERE IT IS A 45 MINUTE BREAK
05:14:45.933 CALLED BY CHAIRMAN CHUC
05:14:46.800 >> THERE IT IS.
05:14:47.234 A 45 MINUTE BREAK CALLED BY
05:14:47.834 CHAIRMAN CHUCK GRASSLEY AS WE
05:14:48.468 CONTINUE TO WATCH THE CAPITAL
05:14:49.069 HEARINGS WHICH HAVE BEEN GOING
05:14:49.736 SINCE 10:00 THIS ONE.
05:14:50.404 WE EXPECT THEM TO GO ON DAY.
05:14:52.406 YOU ARE WATCHING CBS NEWS WITH
05:14:57.144 THE HEARINGS NOW IN THEIR 50
05:14:58.913 CALIBER COLLEGE PROFESSOR
05:15:00.915 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD IS WERE I
05:15:01.949 TO NOTE THAT SUPREME COURT
05:15:06.420 NOMINEE BRETT KAVANAUGH
05:15:06.920 SEXUALLY ASSAULTED HER WHEN
05:15:07.521 THEY WERE TEENAGERS . THE
05:15:08.055 COMMITTEE WILL HEAR FROM HIM
05:15:08.655 LATER TODAY JOINING ME IN OUR
05:15:09.289 COVERAGE IS GAYLE KING.
05:15:11.592 AND JOHN DICKERSON.
05:15:13.995 ALSO CBS NEWS LEGAL ANALYST
05:15:15.463 RICKY KLEEMAN AND JAN CRAWFORD
05:15:18.432 WHO COVERS THE SUPREME COURT,
05:15:20.167 CBS THIS MORNING COHOST NORAH
05:15:23.938 O
05:15:25.039 WELL.
05:15:25.306 AND POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT ED
05:15:28.109 O
05:15:29.276 HEARING ROOM. RICKY, TO YOU
05:15:32.179 FIRST WHAT HAS CHANGED IN THE
05:15:32.813 LAST HOUR AND A HALF AGO
05:15:34.448 >> I THINK THAT THE LAST BIT OF
05:15:38.920 EXAMINATION BY RACHEL MILLER,
05:15:42.289 THE HIRED PROSECUTOR ON BEHALF
05:15:47.161 OF THE REPUBLICANS WAS POWERFUL
05:15:55.602 IN RAISING A POSSIBLE DOUBT
05:15:56.203 ABOUT THE WITNESSES TESTIMONY.
05:15:56.937 IF SHE HAD GOTTEN TO THAT A LOT
05:16:00.073 SOONER SHE COULD HAVE DEVELOPED
05:16:01.308 IT.
05:16:01.575 WHAT SHE WAS REALLY TRYING TO
05:16:03.277 SAY IS THAT IT IS ALL ABOUT
05:16:07.014 MEMORY.
05:16:09.784 IF YOU, PERHAPS, HAD GONE TO A
05:16:10.418 FORENSIC EXAMINER AND DONE IT
05:16:13.888 THE RIGHT WAY THAT PERHAPS YOU
05:16:16.190 WOULD HAVE REMEMBERED IT
05:16:17.291 CORRECTLY AND A PERSON WOULD
05:16:19.026 NOT HAVE BEEN BRETT KAVANAUGH.
05:16:22.163 THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WAY TOO
05:16:23.063 LITTLE WAY TOO LATE.
05:16:26.667 >> IN OTHER WORDS, SHE WAS
05:16:27.267 SAYING THAT IF A PROPER FORENSIC
05:16:30.037 , THE WAY SHE PREFERS TO DO IT,
05:16:31.305 RACHEL MITCHELL, AFTER A TRAUMA,
05:16:33.273 IF IT WAS DONE THAT WAY AS
05:16:34.608 OPPOSED TO THE POLYGRAPH TEST
05:16:46.620 POSSIBLY SHE COULD HAVE
05:16:47.153 REMEMBERED EVEN MORE.
05:16:47.654 >> SHE COULD HAVE REMEMBERED
05:16:48.288 EVEN MORE.
05:16:48.622 PERHAPS SHE COULD HAVE
05:16:49.122 REMEMBERED IT DIFFERENTLY.
05:16:49.723 THE ONE THING IT DOES NOT SHAKE
05:16:50.390 HIS THIS, YOU HAVE A WOMAN WHO
05:16:51.091 SAYS THAT SHE IS 100% SURE IT
05:16:51.725 WAS BRETT KAVANAUGH.
05:16:52.259 SHE KNEW BRETT KAVANAUGH.
05:16:53.394 IT IS NOT LIKE SHE PICKED A
05:16:56.297 STRANGER OUT OF A LINEUP OF
05:16:58.799 SOMEONE SHE HAD NEVER MET.
05:17:09.310 IT IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO
05:17:09.944 BE IN THE POSITION OF THE
05:17:10.511 PROSECUTOR TO TRY TO UNDERMINE
05:17:11.145 THE CREDIBILITY.
05:17:11.545 YOU ARE BACK TO WHERE JAN WAS,
05:17:13.914 WHICH WAS REALLY, IF YOU'RE NOT
05:17:15.683 UNDERMINING CREDIBILITY AND
05:17:16.783 SHOWING THAT SHE IS LYING OR
05:17:21.221 MISTAKEN, I THINK LYING IS WAY
05:17:21.855 OFF THE TABLE, SHE'S NOT LYING,
05:17:24.158 THAT SHE IS MISTAKEN, THAT
05:17:27.695 REALLY DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER
05:17:28.295 GOAL, WHICH IS THE POLITICAL
05:17:29.195 GOAL THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE
05:17:33.701 TIMING THAT MAY BE SOMETHING
05:17:34.301 THAT WOULD BE USED BY THE
05:17:34.902 POLITICIANS AFTER THIS?
05:17:36.737 >> HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED
05:17:37.471 REMEMBER SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY
05:17:41.241 IF YOU KNOW THE PERSON WHO
05:17:41.809 ASSAULTED YOU?
05:17:42.176 >> THAT'S WHAT I SAY.
05:17:43.810 >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT
05:17:44.377 SHE'S GETTING AT.
05:17:45.011 >> WHAT SHE'S GETTING AT IS
05:17:48.682 THAT SOMETIMES WE IMPRINTING
05:17:49.283 MEMORY IN A WAY THAT WE
05:17:49.817 REMEMBER THE MEMORY AND NOT THE
05:17:51.685 FACT THAT THE PROBLEM IS SHE
05:18:00.194 KNEW HIM.
05:18:00.494 SO QUICKLY TO BOTH OF YOU,
05:18:01.095 APOLOGIES.
05:18:01.395 JOHN CORNYN IS SPEAKING RIGHT
05:18:02.029 NOW.
05:18:02.262 WE ARE HEARING FOR THE FIRST
05:18:02.930 TIME FROM SOME OF THE SENATORS.
05:18:04.765 >> OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A TOUGH
05:18:05.833 SETTING FOR ANY WITNESS. I
05:18:08.736 THOUGHT IT WENT AS WELL AS YOU
05:18:13.774 COULD EXPECT . THE IS
05:18:14.241 ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WE HEARD IS
05:18:16.177 AN ARTICULATION OF WHAT WE
05:18:17.077 ALREADY SAW IN HER --
05:18:21.549 >> SENATOR, YOU HANDLED THE
05:18:22.116 VOTE COUNTS AROUND HERE. BASED
05:18:24.084 ON WHAT WAS SAID THIS MORNING
05:18:25.186 BY HER DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE YET
05:18:29.523 OF WHETHER YOU HAVE WHAT YOU
05:18:30.190 NEED?
05:18:30.391 >> I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR FROM
05:18:31.458 THE JUDGE, HIS REPUTATION IS ON
05:18:35.361 THE LINE . HIS CAREER AS WELL.
05:18:36.062 THIS NEEDS TO BE A FAIR PROCESS
05:18:36.997 TO BOTH DOCTOR FORD AND JUDGE
05:18:40.668 KAVANAUGH.
05:18:40.968 EXPECTED ANY OF YOU -- EXPECTED
05:18:44.905 YOU PERSONALLY FIND HER TO BE
05:18:45.572 CREDIBLE?
05:18:45.839 >> I FOUND NO REASON TO FIND
05:18:47.007 HER NOT CREDIBLE.
05:18:50.411 OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE GAPS IN HER
05:18:51.078 STORY.
05:18:52.279 OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE
05:18:55.015 TRAUMATIZED.
05:19:02.189 THEY HAVE THOSE SORT OF GAPS.
05:19:02.856 AGAIN, I REGRET THAT SHE FINDS
05:19:03.490 HERSELF IN HIS CIRCUS -LIKE
05:19:05.192 SETTING.
05:19:09.496 HER LETTER TO SENATOR FEINSTEIN
05:19:10.130 WAS RELEASED TO THE PRESS
05:19:10.663 AGAINST HER KNOWLEDGE AND
05:19:11.197 WITHOUT HER AUTHORIZATION. SHE
05:19:12.633 WAS NOT TOLD BY HER LAWYERS
05:19:13.367 THAT SHE COULD HAVE BEEN
05:19:16.203 INTERVIEWED IN A PRIVATE SETTING
05:19:23.277 BY INVESTIGATORS ON BOTH SIDES
05:19:23.944 AND GET HER TESTIMONY THAT WAY.
05:19:24.578 I THOUGHT SHE DID JUST FINE.
05:19:27.982 >> ARE YOU PLEASED WITH RACHEL
05:19:29.116 MITCHELL'S --
05:19:36.924 >> I THINK SHE DID EXACTLY WHAT
05:19:37.591 I HOPED SHE WOULD DO, THAT IS A
05:19:38.258 DIGNIFIED AND PROFESSIONAL WAY
05:19:38.892 TO ASK QUESTIONS TO GET
05:19:39.426 INFORMATION.
05:19:39.760 I WOULD SAY MOST OF THE
05:19:40.294 COMMENTS MADE BY OUR FRIENDS
05:19:41.295 ACROSS THE AISLE STRUCK ME AS
05:19:43.631 MORE POLITICAL. THEY DIDN'T
05:19:46.133 REALLY ASK QUESTIONS SEEKING
05:19:54.207 INFORMATION.
05:19:54.541 WE ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING TO
05:19:55.175 THE TRUTH.
05:19:55.508 UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS A HYPER
05:19:57.678 POLITICIZED ENVIRONMENT.
05:19:58.211 NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
05:19:59.013 >> SENATOR GRAHAM, I WILL ASK
05:20:01.215 YOU, SHE SEEMED TOWARD THE ENDS
05:20:04.752 , MS. MITCHELL, TO BE
05:20:05.853 QUESTIONING THE POLITICAL
05:20:06.386 MOTIVES OF DOCTOR FORD'S
05:20:09.323 ATTORNEYS.
05:20:09.823 BY RAISING QUESTIONS --
05:20:10.757 >> I'M REALLY UPSET THAT THEY
05:20:19.466 KNEW ABOUT THIS IN AUGUST AND
05:20:20.133 NEVER TOLD ANYBODY.
05:20:20.634 I'M REALLY UPSET THAT DIANNE
05:20:21.268 FEINSTEIN BELIEVED THIS WAS A
05:20:24.605 CREDIBLE ALLEGATION AND THAT
05:20:25.539 SHE WOULDN'T DO MISTER JUDGE
05:20:27.208 KAVANAUGH THE SERVICE OF SAYING
05:20:28.375 I HAVE GOT THIS FOR WHAT IS
05:20:33.113 YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY?
05:20:33.647 TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMITTEE
05:20:34.281 SO WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING NOT AS
05:20:34.948 CLOSE TO THE MIDTERMS. WHEN
05:20:37.651 THEY SAY SHE WASN'T SURE WE
05:20:38.251 WERE WILLING TO GO OUT THERE
05:20:41.154 THAT IS A BUNCH OF BULL.
05:20:41.721 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY TOLD MS.
05:20:43.057 FORD, BUT WE WERE WILLING TO GO
05:20:45.458 TO CALIFORNIA.
05:20:45.926 WE WERE TOLD SHE COULDN'T FLY.
05:20:46.726 ALL I CAN SAY IS WE ARE 40
05:20:50.631 SOMETHING DAYS AWAY FROM THE
05:20:52.066 ELECTION AND THEIR GOAL, NOT
05:20:53.300 MS. FORD SCHOOL, IS TO LAY THIS
05:21:00.074 PAST THE MIDTERMS SO THEY CAN
05:21:00.741 WIN THE SENATE AND NEVER
05:21:01.275 ALLOWED TRUMP TO FILL THE SEAT.
05:21:01.942 I BELIEVE THAT MET -- NOW MORE
05:21:03.844 THAN EVER.
05:21:04.177 I DON'T KNOW WHO PAID FOR HER
05:21:04.811 POLYGRAPH BUT SOMEBODY DID.
05:21:06.914 THE FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE
05:21:07.881 SET IT UP TO BE JUST THE WAY IT
05:21:11.285 IS.
05:21:11.618 I FEEL AMBUSHED AS THE MAJORITY
05:21:14.588 . WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM
05:21:16.924 ESTHER KAVANAUGH, JUDGE
05:21:19.059 KAVANAUGH, AND I HAVE BEEN A
05:21:21.595 JUDGE, A PROSECUTOR, AND A
05:21:22.629 DEFENSE ATTORNEY.
05:21:23.063 WHEN IT COMES TO WHERE IT
05:21:23.997 HAPPENED I STILL DON'T KNOW I
05:21:29.636 DON'T KNOW WHEN IT HAPPENED.
05:21:30.304 SHE SAID SHE IS 100% CERTAIN IT
05:21:32.506 DID HAPPEN.
05:21:32.939 I WOULD BET YOU JUDGE KAVANAUGH
05:21:33.573 WILL SAY I'M 100% SURE I DIDN'T
05:21:34.975 DO IT. THE PEOPLE NAMED SAY
05:21:41.881 THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT MS. FORD
05:21:42.549 IS TALKING ABOUT.
05:21:43.016 SHE CAN'T TELL US HOW SHE GOT
05:21:43.650 HOME OR HOW SHE GOT THERE.
05:21:44.250 THOSE ARE THE FACTS I'M LEFT
05:21:44.851 WITH.
05:21:45.085 A NICE LADY WHO HAS COME
05:21:47.087 FORWARD TO TELL A HARD STORY
05:21:48.321 THAT IS UNCORROBORATED.
05:21:50.791 THIS IS ENOUGH, GOD HELP
05:21:55.862 ANYBODY ELSE THAT GETS
05:21:56.396 NOMINATED, BASED ON WHAT I
05:21:56.963 HEARD TODAY YOU COULD NOT GET A
05:21:57.597 SEARCH WARRANT OR AN ARREST
05:21:58.264 WARRENT BECAUSE SHE DON'T KNOW
05:22:00.434 THE LOCATION OR THE TIME AND
05:22:01.035 YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CORROBORATION
05:22:03.871 AS TO MS. MITCHELL -- MS.
05:22:09.976 MITCHELL, THAT'S WHAT I HOPED
05:22:10.610 SHE WOULD DO.
05:22:10.977 I HEARD A BUNCH OF SPEECHES
05:22:11.545 FROM A BUNCH OF POLITICIANS WHO
05:22:12.379 HAVE POLITICIZED THIS FROM DAY
05:22:16.149 ONE.
05:22:16.517 WHO HAVE BEEN LYING IN WAIT FOR
05:22:17.151 A POLITICAL PURPOSE.
05:22:17.651 NOT MS. FORD, BUT, CERTAINLY
05:22:18.252 THEM, MAKING A BUNCH OF
05:22:18.786 SPEECHES . THE IS MITCHELL
05:22:20.521 METHODICALLY WENT TO THE FACTS
05:22:21.989 OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY,
05:22:25.359 LEADING UP TO THAT DAY, AND HOW
05:22:26.026 WE FIND OURSELVES HERE.
05:22:26.927 FROM MY POINT OF VIEW I'M
05:22:28.862 PLEASED WITH WHAT I SAW.
05:22:30.230 >> DO YOU STILL WANT TO VOTE
05:22:31.765 ON FRIDAY?
05:22:32.132 >> WITH YOUR OWN BACKGROUND AS
05:22:36.036 A PROSECUTOR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY,
05:22:37.704 AND JUDGE DID YOU FIND DOCTOR
05:22:38.338 FOR TO BE CREDIBLE -- CREDIBLE?
05:22:40.407 >> I DID NOT FIND HER
05:22:45.045 ALLEGATIONS TO BE CORROBORATED
05:22:45.712 AGAINST MISTER KAVANAUGH.
05:22:46.346 SHE IS SAYING IT IS BRETT
05:22:48.549 KAVANAUGH BUT SHE CAN'T TELL ME
05:22:49.216 THE HOUSE, CITY, THE MONTH OF
05:22:56.623 THE YEAR.
05:22:56.923 HE IS SAYING I DIDN'T DO IT.
05:22:57.590 HERE'S WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU
05:22:58.191 HAVE AN EMOTIONAL ACCUSATION
05:22:58.792 AND AN EMOTIONAL DENIAL, USE
05:22:59.392 THE RULE OF LAW, THE
05:23:05.199 PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE
05:23:05.732 ATTACHES TO THE PERSON ACCUSED.
05:23:06.366 YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM NOTICE AND
05:23:09.303 TIME AND LOCATION.
05:23:09.770 YOU ASK IS THERE ANYBODY TO
05:23:10.904 VERIFY THIS?
05:23:11.638 WHEN YOU GIVE NAMES ALL OF THEM
05:23:12.305 GO THE OTHER WAY.
05:23:13.607 HAVING SAID THAT, WHAT DO I
05:23:17.244 THINK ABOUT MS. FORD?
05:23:19.012 VERY COMPETENT ACCOMPLISHED
05:23:23.750 LADY.
05:23:23.984 SOMETHING HAPPENED.
05:23:24.451 I DON'T KNOW WHAT.
05:23:24.918 YOU ARE ASKING ME TO SAVE IT
05:23:25.786 WAS BRETT KAVANAUGH AND I DON'T
05:23:27.554 KNOW WHEN IT HAPPENED, WHERE IT
05:23:29.856 HAPPENED, HE SAID IT DIDN'T
05:23:31.124 HAPPEN.
05:23:34.761 I WOULD SAY THIS BUT I THINK IT
05:23:35.428 WAS A GOOD SUGGESTION FOR HER
05:23:36.062 TO GO TALK TO SOMEBODY TO WORK
05:23:36.729 THROUGH THIS.
05:23:37.264 >> HOW IS THAT NOT ALL AN
05:23:41.068 ARGUMENT FOR A AND MORE FULSOME
05:23:43.670 INVESTIGATION?
05:23:44.204 >> IF YOU REALLY BELIEVED WE
05:23:47.007 NEEDED AN INVESTIGATION OF THIS
05:23:47.774 WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US IN
05:23:49.109 AUGUST?
05:23:49.342 LISTEN.
05:23:50.944 THE FBI IS GOING TO TELL US
05:23:53.313 WHAT.
05:23:54.848 WHAT HOUSE ARE THEY GOING TO GO
05:23:56.817 TO?
05:23:57.117 WHAT CITY ARE THEY GOING TO GO
05:23:58.451 TO?
05:24:00.254 WHO ARE THEY GOING TO TALK TO?
05:24:00.921 THEY CAN'T TELL US THE MONTH
05:24:03.223 MIGHT BARELY THE YEAR.
05:24:03.756 THIS IS ALL DELAY.
05:24:11.031 >> DID MISTER JUDGE TELL YOU
05:24:19.873 THAT?
05:24:20.073 >> MISTER JUDGE.
05:24:20.507 THEY SAY I DIDN'T DO IT I DON'T
05:24:21.208 KNOW WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
05:24:21.875 THEY WANT TO CALL 25 PEOPLE WHO
05:24:22.609 SAY HE'S AN ABUSER.
05:24:23.076 WE WILL BE PAST THE MIDTERM.
05:24:23.744 I'M NOT GOING TO REWARD PEOPLE
05:24:24.378 FOR PLAYING A POLITICAL GAME.
05:24:25.011 I THINK WITH HER LIFE SHE IS
05:24:25.612 JUST AS MUCH A VICTIM IN THIS
05:24:26.680 AS I THINK BRETT KAVANAUGH IS.
05:24:28.515 SOMEBODY BETRAYED HER TRUST.
05:24:31.285 WE KNOW WHO SHE GET THE LETTER
05:24:34.988 TO THE PEOPLE THAT BETRAYED HER
05:24:38.492 TRUST OVER AN APOLOGY.
05:24:39.025 >> DO YOU STILL WANT TO VOTE
05:24:40.127 ON FRIDAY?
05:24:50.037 >> JEFF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
05:24:50.671 HEAR ME, BUT, OBVIOUSLY, IT
05:24:51.305 JUST UP SENATOR GRAHAM THERE
05:24:51.905 WHO CLEARLY IS UPSET ABOUT WHAT
05:24:53.340 TRANSPIRED AND BELIEVES THERE
05:24:55.542 IS HOLES IN HER ARGUMENT.
05:24:56.143 HE'S NOT THE ONLY REPUBLICAN
05:24:56.743 THAT SAID THAT.
05:24:57.144 I SPOKE WITH ANOTHER COMMITTEE
05:24:57.778 MEMBER EARLIER WHO SAID
05:24:59.346 PRIVATELY THAT THEY ARE
05:25:01.648 CONCERNED ABOUT THIS WHOLE
05:25:06.019 ABOUT HOW IT IS SHE DOESN'T
05:25:06.619 REMEMBER OR DOESN'T KNOW HOW
05:25:07.253 SHE GOT HOME THAT NIGHT. HOW
05:25:08.789 IS IT THAT SHE WAS AFRAID TO FLY
05:25:12.693 BUT SOMEHOW ENDS UP HERE IN
05:25:13.293 WASHINGTON?
05:25:13.594 HURTS HE WON'T TELL US HOW SHE
05:25:14.695 GOT HERE. SHE POINTS OUT
05:25:17.264 DURING HER TESTIMONY SHE HAD
05:25:17.864 FLOWN A FEW TIMES TO THE EAST
05:25:18.832 COAST. THERE ARE HOLES IN HER
05:25:20.333 ARGUMENT.
05:25:21.068 REPUBLICANS AGREE SHE CAME
05:25:22.369 ACROSS AS LIKABLE AND CREDIBLE
05:25:23.937 AND THEY EXPECT THE JUDGE TO
05:25:26.673 HOPEFULLY DO THAT AS WELL THIS
05:25:29.343 AFTERNOON.
05:25:32.446 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:25:33.013 GREAT JOB WITH THOSE QUESTIONS
05:25:33.647 AND THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING TO
05:25:34.281 BOTH OF THEM.
05:25:34.648 SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM WITH THE
05:25:36.349 SECOND AND BY FAR THE STRONGEST
05:25:37.650 REACTION SO FAR TO WHAT WE SAW
05:25:42.022 THIS MORNING AND EARLY THIS
05:25:42.622 AFTERNOON.
05:25:42.956 SENATOR GRAHAM SAYING I FEEL
05:25:45.158 AMBUSHED. GOING AFTER NOT
05:25:50.364 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD, BUT THE
05:25:50.998 DEMOCRATS AND ASSAYING THIS WAS
05:25:53.700 CRITICALLY MOTIVATED IN THE WAY
05:25:54.367 IT WAS ORCHESTRATED, THE TIMING
05:25:55.736 , ALL MEANT TO DELAY THE PROCESS
05:25:58.605 . SO IT WOULD BE PUSHED PAST
05:26:01.708 THE MIDTERMS OR EVEN FAR BEYOND
05:26:02.408 THAT.
05:26:02.943 SOME WIRY LANGUAGE THEREFROM
05:26:05.478 SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM. HE DID
05:26:07.948 NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION OF
05:26:08.982 WHETHER HE IS STILL STILL
05:26:09.883 CALLING FOR A VOTE TOMORROW,
05:26:13.387 WHICH WOULD THEN POTENTIALLY
05:26:13.987 LEAD TO A FINAL VOTE AND
05:26:16.490 POTENTIALLY CONFIRMATION OF
05:26:17.190 JUDGE BRETT KAVANAUGH EARLY
05:26:19.092 NEXT WEEK. IF THAT WERE TO
05:26:22.329 HAPPEN.
05:26:22.596 WE HAVE YET TO HEAR FROM JUDGE
05:26:25.332 KAVANAUGH.
05:26:25.665 THAT WILL TAKE PLACE THIS
05:26:26.900 AFTERNOON AFTER CHRISTINE
05:26:29.002 BLASEY FORD'S TESTIMONY JUST
05:26:32.139 WRAPPED UP.
05:26:32.472 WE DEALT WITH THREE SESSIONS
05:26:35.809 WHERE DEMOCRATIC SENATORS ALL
05:26:36.443 HAD A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS
05:26:38.645 AND PRETTY MUCH EVERY
05:26:39.145 REPUBLICAN DEFERRED TO THE
05:26:41.248 SPECIAL PROSECUTOR RACHEL
05:26:42.282 MITCHELL WHO TOOK CHRISTINE
05:26:45.886 BLASEY FORD THROUGH A TIMELINE
05:26:46.687 OF WHAT SHE SAYS HAPPENED BACK
05:26:49.056 IN THE EARLY 80s. SHE ALSO
05:26:52.092 QUESTION WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE
05:26:53.293 IN JUST THE PAST FEW MONTHS.
05:26:55.262 NWORA IS ON CAPITOL HILL AND
05:26:58.565 HAS BEEN WATCHING THIS ALL
05:26:59.132 MORNING AND AFTERNOON.
05:27:00.801 NWORA, DO WE HAVE DICK DURBIN
05:27:03.904 RIGHT NOW?
05:27:04.204 LET'S LISTEN TO THAT.
05:27:05.338 >> TERRIFIED.
05:27:07.807 I THOUGHT SHE HANDLED THE
05:27:08.508 QUESTIONS PROFESSIONALLY AND
05:27:11.011 HONESTLY. VOLUNTEERED ANSWERS
05:27:12.179 WHEN SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO I
05:27:14.681 THOUGHT SHE MADE A VERY
05:27:17.250 CREDIBLE PRESENTATION.
05:27:19.219 >> DO YOU THINK IT BACKFIRED
05:27:19.853 ON THE REPUBLICANS TO HAVE AN
05:27:22.956 OUTSIDE COUNSEL QUESTIONING?
05:27:27.961 >> WELL, IF YOU LISTEN TO THE
05:27:29.062 PROSECUTOR'S CONCLUSION DOING
05:27:36.369 AN INTERIEW IN FIVE MINUTE
05:27:36.969 SEGMENTS IS NOT RECOMMENDED.
05:27:37.603 YOU CAN TELL THAT SHE WAS
05:27:38.338 FRUSTRATED.
05:27:38.672 I COULDN'T FOLLOW HER LINE OF
05:27:41.374 THINKING. I TRIED TO
05:27:41.907 UNDERSTAND WHERE SHE WAS COMING
05:27:43.009 FROM.
05:27:44.144 IT SEEMED SO OBLIQUE AND SO
05:27:46.947 FRAGMENTED.
05:27:50.016 I NEVER QUITE UNDERSTOOD WHAT
05:27:50.650 SHE WAS TRYING TO SAY.
05:27:54.788 >>[ INAUDIBLE QUESTION ]
05:28:03.964 >> THE THING WE NEED TO HEAR
05:28:04.598 THE MOST IS WHAT IS OBVIOUS.
05:28:05.232 IF THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AND
05:28:05.832 THERE ARE NO WITNESSES TO BACK
05:28:06.499 UP WHAT SHE JUST TOLD US UNDER
05:28:07.167 OATH WHY AREN'T YOU SUPPORTING
05:28:09.770 AN INVESTIGATION BY THE FBI?
05:28:13.039 WHAT YOU WANT TO CLEAR YOUR NAME
05:28:15.074 AND MAKE SURE THAT THE COURTS
05:28:23.082 -- WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO CLEAR
05:28:23.683 YOUR NAME AND MAKE SURE THAT
05:28:24.317 THE COURTS HAVE NO SHADOW OF
05:28:25.218 SUSPICION?
05:28:32.859 >> DICK DURBIN'S REACTION TO
05:28:33.459 WHAT HE HAS HEARD TODAY.
05:28:33.993 HE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE
05:28:49.276 PROSECUTOR RACHEL MITCHELL
05:28:49.843 ABOUT WHAT WAS INTERESTING TO
05:28:50.477 HEAR THE END IS RACHEL MITCHELL
05:28:51.178 AT THE END OF HER QUESTIONING,
05:28:51.845 THE PROSECUTOR.
05:28:52.245 BY REPUBLICANS WAS ESSENTIALLY
05:28:52.879 UNDERCUTTING THE STRATEGY BEEN
05:28:53.513 PICKED BY REPUBLICANS AND
05:28:54.047 SAYING THERE IS NOT A LOT I CAN
05:28:54.714 DO IN FIVE MINUTE SEGMENTS WHEN
05:28:55.382 I AM THEN INTERRUPTED. THERE'S
05:28:56.049 NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PLACES TO GO
05:28:58.050 . AS SHE FINISHED UP HER
05:28:59.218 QUESTIONING OF CHRISTINE BLASEY
05:29:01.654 FORD THIS MORNING.
05:29:02.221 YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT A LOT AS
05:29:05.392 WELL AND THE CHALLENGE THAT SHE
05:29:09.429 FACED IN TRYING TO GET
05:29:10.029 INFORMATION HERE.
05:29:11.031 >> I DON'T ENVY HER POSITION.
05:29:14.067 SHE HAD TWO DUTIES.
05:29:16.803 ONE WAS TO TRY TO UNDERMINE THE
05:29:19.405 CREDIBILITY OF DOCTOR FORD IN
05:29:21.340 ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WHETHER IT
05:29:22.843 WAS TO HER MEMORY OR TWO, IN
05:29:33.086 FACT, WHETHER OR NOT SHE WAS
05:29:33.686 TELLING THE TRUTH . THE SECOND
05:29:34.320 ONE WAS TO CARRY OUT THE
05:29:34.887 POLITICAL AGENDA OF THE
05:29:35.388 REPUBLICANS WHO HIRED HER.
05:29:36.590 WHICH, CLEARLY, SHE DID MUCH OF
05:29:38.692 HER EXAMINATION DEALING WITH
05:29:39.893 THE TIMING OF THE LETTERS, THE
05:29:43.230 CONVERSATIONS WITH THE
05:29:46.266 REPRESENTATIVE, AND THEN WITH
05:29:47.033 SENATOR FEINSTEIN.
05:29:47.500 AND THEN HER GETTING A LAWYER
05:29:50.670 AND THEN THE POLYGRAPH.
05:29:51.237 WHAT SHE IS TRYING TO DO IS
05:29:52.906 GIVE THE REPUBLICANS COVER FOR
05:29:55.008 THOSE WHO WOULD REALLY LIKE TO
05:29:58.178 SAY THIS IS ALL A DEMOCRATIC
05:29:59.312 PROBLEM.
05:29:59.579 DID SHE DO THAT?
05:30:01.982 IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR
05:30:04.551 SENATOR DURBIN SAY I HAD A HARD
05:30:05.251 TIME FOLLOWING HER LINE OF
05:30:06.319 QUESTIONING.
05:30:06.787 >> RACHEL MITCHELL.
05:30:07.487 >> YEAH.
05:30:08.088 IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW
05:30:14.694 RACHEL MITCHELL BECAUSE OF THE
05:30:15.328 FIVE-MINUTE INTERVALS.
05:30:15.829 WE SAW IT IN THE VERY FIRST
05:30:16.429 SEGMENT WHEN SHE WAS TRYING TO
05:30:17.096 DO WITH THREE ISSUES THAT
05:30:17.664 NEEDED EDITING IN A DOCUMENT OR
05:30:19.732 CORRECTIONS IN DOCUMENT AND SHE
05:30:22.869 COULDN'T EVEN GET TO THE THIRD
05:30:23.503 ONE.
05:30:23.703 >> I THINK WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
05:30:31.678 WATCHING WHAT SENATOR GRAHAM
05:30:32.312 HAD TO SAY AND HIS REACTION I
05:30:32.946 THINK IT IS A WAY OF THINKING
05:30:33.613 ABOUT HOW SHE DID CONDUCT THESE
05:30:34.247 QUESTIONS.
05:30:34.547 SHE DID RAISE AND POINT TO SOME
05:30:38.685 REAL HOLES IN THE TESTIMONY
05:30:39.285 THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE.
05:30:39.919 SHE RAISED INCONSISTENCIES
05:30:40.486 ABOUT A SPECIFIC YEAR IT
05:30:41.020 STARTED OUT BEING SOMETIME IN
05:30:41.921 THE 80s AND THEN IT WAS THE
05:30:43.590 EARLY 80s.
05:30:44.491 AND THEN IT BECAME MAYBE 1982
05:30:49.029 OR 1983.
05:30:49.329 NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT IS 1982.
05:30:50.496 >> THEY SAY THAT IS COMMON WITH
05:30:52.999 TRAUMA VICTIMS.
05:30:53.366 >> THIS DARTED OUT, STARTING
05:31:03.609 OUT FROM HER TESTIMONY TODAY
05:31:04.210 BUT THEN GOING BACK TO EVEN
05:31:04.844 WHAT SHE TOLD WASHINGTON POST.
05:31:05.511 THAT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO.
05:31:06.112 THEY WERE ABLE TO POINT TO SOME
05:31:06.813 INCONSISTENCIES IN HER STORY
05:31:07.447 THAT SHE HAS EVEN TOLD RECENTLY.
05:31:15.856 HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AT THE
05:31:16.556 PARTY?
05:31:16.789 THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTED
05:31:17.390 THIS AND THEN SHE SAID THIS TO
05:31:18.091 THE THERAPIST AND IS NOW.
05:31:18.691 AL OF THAT, ALL OF THOSE
05:31:22.929 INCONSISTENCIES THAT MAY NOT
05:31:23.696 ADD UP TO MUCH AND THERE IS NO
05:31:24.397 REAL AHA MOMENT, BUT ALL OF
05:31:24.998 THAT THEN ALLOWS WHAT WE SAW
05:31:27.968 AND THE REACTION FROM WHAT
05:31:28.568 YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FROM
05:31:29.135 REPUBLICANS, WHICH IS THE FACTS
05:31:29.936 . AFTER THIS HEARING THERE IS
05:31:30.971 STILL NO CORROBORATION.
05:31:35.508 THERE IS STILL NO
05:31:35.941 CONTEMPORANEOUS EVIDENCE.
05:31:36.509 IT IS STILL CREDIBILITY AS
05:31:38.545 NWORA HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT
05:31:41.381 IS HE SAID, SHE SAID.
05:31:43.916 THIS IS A QUESTION OF
05:31:44.417 CREDIBILITY.
05:31:44.751 PEOPLE BELIEVE SHE CAME ACROSS
05:31:46.920 AS CREDIBLE BUT NOW IT'S ALL ON
05:31:50.823 JUDGE KAVANAUGH.
05:31:51.224 >> SO THERE'S ROOM ON BOTH
05:31:51.858 SIDES TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT
05:31:52.558 WE SUPPORT THIS PERSON OR THIS
05:31:53.226 PERSON THIS IS WHY WE ARE
05:31:53.793 VOTING.
05:31:54.961 >> WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO
05:31:57.063 MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION WHO
05:31:57.697 ARE ON THE FENCE THEY HAVE TO
05:31:58.364 DECIDE WAS DOCTOR FORD CREDIBLE
05:31:59.165 ENOUGH NOT TO ELEVATE KAVANAUGH?
05:32:03.370 IT IS THE QUESTION WHETHER OR
05:32:05.372 WHETHER OR NOT SHE WAS
05:32:13.713 CREDIBLE.
05:32:14.013 WHAT WAS IT ABOUT HER THAT WAS
05:32:14.647 NOT CREDIBLE?
05:32:14.980 THAT HAS TO BE WEIGHED AGAINST
05:32:15.648 WHAT WAS WITNESSED TODAY, WHICH
05:32:17.817 EVEN REPUBLICAN SENATORS WERE
05:32:18.451 SAYING SHE SEEMED CREDIBLE.
05:32:19.085 I WAS STRUCK THAT SENATOR
05:32:20.186 CORNYN SAID THAT THE GAPS PROOF
05:32:22.555 OF THE TRAUMA.
05:32:23.056 IN OTHER WORDS, SAYING HE SAW
05:32:28.728 SOME GAPS IN HER STORY BUT THEN
05:32:29.396 HE QUICKLY SAID AFTER THAT IT
05:32:30.030 IS PROOF OF THE TRAUMA, AS IF TO
05:32:32.365 , IT WASN'T HIS INTENT, BUT TO
05:32:34.868 UNDERSCORE --
05:32:36.903 >> I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYONE
05:32:39.873 WATCHING THAT SANCTION WAS
05:32:40.440 EVASIVE IN ANY WAY.
05:32:44.010 SHE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS THAT
05:32:44.644 WERE ASKED.
05:32:44.977 AS WE MOVE TO THE AFTERNOON THE
05:32:46.079 QUESTION IS WHAT ARE WE GOING
05:32:46.913 TO HEAR FROM BRETT KAVANAUGH?
05:32:49.482 >> RIGHT.
05:32:50.016 I THINK BECAUSE NOW WE REALLY
05:32:53.286 HAVE NO NEW INFORMATION, NO NEW
05:32:55.054 FACTS. WE SAW SOME
05:32:56.422 INCONSISTENCIES. NOW THE
05:32:57.389 PRESSURE IS ON KAVANAUGH TO
05:33:00.259 COME ACROSS AS CREDIBLE AND
05:33:01.293 BELIEVABLE AND ANSWER THESE
05:33:04.063 QUESTIONS AS OPENLY AND
05:33:04.931 HONESTLY AND FORTHRIGHTLY AS HE
05:33:07.033 CAN.
05:33:07.300 YOU ARE GOING TO SEE HIM PRESENT
05:33:13.406 A DEFENSE THAT THIS WAS NOT ME.
05:33:14.040 I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE A
05:33:14.674 PRETTY IMPASSIONED ONE.
05:33:15.207 THIS IS NOT ABOUT JUST THE
05:33:18.878 SUPREME COURT AND A SEAT ON THE
05:33:19.545 SUPREME COURT FOR LIFE, THIS IS
05:33:20.313 ABOUT HIS LIFE AND A REPUTATION
05:33:20.980 THAT HE HAS BUILT. YOU'RE
05:33:23.649 GOING TO SEE HIM MAKE THAT
05:33:24.784 OPENING STATEMENT.
05:33:26.052 AND THEN IT'S THE QUESTIONS.
05:33:29.322 >> OTHER INCONSISTENCIES AND
05:33:37.930 NOT TO DOUBT HER STORY?
05:33:38.464 >> WHAT WE WILL SEE FROM
05:33:39.031 KAVANAUGH, YOU WILL SEE THE
05:33:39.632 DEMOCRATS TRY TO IMPUGN THAT
05:33:40.266 CHARACTER AND HIS NAME AND
05:33:40.833 INTEGRITY THAT HE WAS A THIS IS
05:33:43.002 AT ODDS WITH THE WAY I HAVE
05:33:43.602 LIVED MY WHOLE LIFE.
05:33:44.470 IT WILL BE HIS LIFE OPEN FOR
05:33:46.305 EXAMINATION THIS AFTERNOON.
05:33:49.743 >> NWORA IS STANDING BY.
05:33:51.010 >> HOW COMBATIVE DO YOU THINK
05:33:52.946 IT WILL BE?
05:33:53.779 >> I THINK IT COULD BE QUITE
05:33:55.748 COMBATIVE.
05:33:59.119 BASED ON THE TONE OF THE
05:33:59.686 HEARING SO FAR AND THE WAY
05:34:00.253 REPUBLICANS ARE INTERPRETING IT
05:34:00.887 LIKE WE ARE TRYING TO BE FAIR,
05:34:03.056 DEMOCRATS ARE PLAYING POLITICS.
05:34:04.958 IF DEMOCRATS CONTINUE TO LOOK
05:34:06.626 LIKE THEY ARE PLAYING -- THEY
05:34:14.300 ARE PLAYING POLITICS THAT COULD
05:34:14.934 HELP KAVANAUGH AND REPUBLICANS
05:34:15.568 TRYING TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT FOR
05:34:16.235 HIM.
05:34:16.435 >> YOU CAN'T IMAGINE DEMOCRATS
05:34:17.069 WANT TO MAKE THEIR STORY AFTER
05:34:17.703 THE TESTIMONY FROM DOCTOR FORD
05:34:18.370 WHO SEEMS THERE IS AGREEMENT
05:34:27.180 SHE WAS A CREDIBLE WITNESS.
05:34:27.814 IF THERE WERE PURELY POLITICAL
05:34:28.448 MOTIVES THEY WOULD WANT HER TO
05:34:29.115 BE THE FACE OF THIS, NOT
05:34:29.682 THEMSELVES.
05:34:30.016 HE MIGHT GET IN THEIR OWN WAY.
05:34:30.717 HERE IS THE OTHER QUESTION.
05:34:33.653 RACHEL MITCHELL HANDLED THE
05:34:34.921 QUESTIONS FOR REPUBLICAN
05:34:38.825 SENATORS FOR CHRISTINE BLASEY
05:34:39.459 FORD.
05:34:39.692 HOW DOES SHE THEN PLAY INTO THE
05:34:40.693 KAVANAUGH QUESTIONS?
05:34:42.929 >> THE KAVANAUGH -- KAVANAUGH
05:34:50.036 GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS FOR ALL
05:34:50.904 OF THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS.
05:34:51.704 THERE IS A PART OF RACHEL
05:34:52.538 MITCHELL THAT YOU COULD WATCH.
05:34:58.311 WHEN SHE WOULD ATTEMPT TO BE
05:34:58.945 FRIENDLY AND COMFORTING AND BE
05:35:00.313 THERE WITH YOU AND ACT ALMOST
05:35:04.617 AS IF SHE WERE THE ADVOCATE FOR
05:35:05.752 DOCTOR FORD TO MAKE HER FEEL
05:35:06.985 SECURE. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT
05:35:09.489 SHE HAS TO DO WITH BRETT
05:35:10.456 KAVANAUGH. SHE HAS TO BE HIS
05:35:11.191 PARTNER IN THIS. BRETT
05:35:14.027 KAVANAUGH HAS GOT TO SHOW HIS
05:35:17.430 HUMANITY. WE ARE USED TO
05:35:19.032 LOOKING AT SOMEONE'S
05:35:19.766 CONFIRMATION HEARING OF WHETHER
05:35:21.300 OR NOT THEY HAVE THE FITNESS TO
05:35:23.369 BE IN LIFE TENURED APPOINTMENT
05:35:27.574 TO THE UNITED STATES SUPREME
05:35:29.309 COURT WHICH IS MAKING THE LAW,
05:35:31.878 INTERPRETING THE LAW FOR THE
05:35:32.812 ENTIRE COUNTRY, WHICH COULD,
05:35:34.914 FOR HIM, BE 30 OR 40 YEARS.
05:35:37.817 IS HE THAT? SHE HAS TO SHOW HIM
05:35:40.954 TO BE FIT . THE IS A
05:35:45.758 CONTRADICTION. YOU HAVE TO BE
05:35:46.392 FACTUAL AND YOU HAVE TO BE
05:35:47.426 CALM.
05:35:47.660 AT THE SAME TIME, YOUR LIFE AND
05:35:51.030 YOUR FAMILIES LIFE HAS BEEN
05:35:53.132 UPENDED AND WE NEED TO SEE YOUR
05:35:53.833 PAIN.
05:35:54.934 >> THE CHALLENGE FOR KAVANAUGH
05:35:58.671 IS HE IS A LAWYER AND ONE OF
05:35:59.305 THE SENATORS MADE THE POINT HE
05:35:59.972 IS USED TO BEING IN THE SENATE,
05:36:00.773 BUT HE'S NOT LIKE A TRIAL
05:36:04.944 LAWYER OR THIS POLISHED GUY.
05:36:05.578 IS NOT SOMEONE WHO GOES ON
05:36:06.178 TELEVISION A LOT.
05:36:06.612 HE HAS BEEN VERY MUCH, HE'S AN
05:36:10.917 INTELLECTUAL.
05:36:12.952 HE IS CLOISTERED AWAY IN THAT
05:36:13.619 IVORY TOWER.
05:36:13.953 HE IS A LAW PROFESSOR.
05:36:14.621 THIS IS NOT A NATURAL FORM FOR
05:36:17.290 HIM BY ANY MEANS.
05:36:18.458 >> BUT A MORE NATURAL FORUM FOR
05:36:22.262 HIM THAT HER.
05:36:22.595 >> NOT NECESSARILY.
05:36:26.032 >> SHE HAS GONE THROUGH SOME
05:36:26.732 HEARINGS ARE READY.
05:36:27.166 >> BUT NOT NECESSARILY.
05:36:37.310 >> HERE SO DEALING WITH THE
05:36:37.911 FACT THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH IS
05:36:38.511 GOING TO HAVE TO FACE CROSS-
05:36:39.112 EXAMINATION FROM THE DEMOCRATS.
05:36:39.779 HOW DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD
05:36:40.446 PLAY THIS?
05:36:40.747 >> I THINK THEY NEED TO BE FIRM
05:36:45.018 . I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO DO
05:36:45.752 WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO,
05:36:46.319 WHICH IS TO GO BACK,
05:36:47.253 PARTICULARLY INTO THAT FOX NEWS
05:36:51.057 INTERVIEW STATEMENTS THAT WAS
05:36:51.957 SO ILL ADVISED.
05:36:53.359 HE MADE BROAD STATEMENTS ABOUT
05:36:54.393 THE TYPE OF LIFE THAT HE LED,
05:36:56.763 WHICH THEN ALLOWED PEOPLE FROM
05:36:58.931 YALE TO COME FORWARD AND SAY IT
05:37:03.803 WASN'T LIKE THAT.
05:37:04.237 >> NORAH O'DONNELL IS STILL
05:37:13.880 STANDING HIGH ON THE HILL.
05:37:14.480 >> Reporter: I HAVE BEEN
05:37:15.047 TALKING TO OFFICIALS CLOSE TO
05:37:15.681 KEVIN UPPER KEYS THE PERSON
05:37:16.282 THAT WILL BE TESTIFYING NEXT
05:37:16.883 WEEK I'M TOLD HE WILL COME BACK
05:37:17.550 MUCH MORE FORCEFULLY THEN HE
05:37:18.151 HAS IN THE PAST.
05:37:18.584 CALLING THIS A GROTESQUE AND
05:37:21.588 OBVIOUS CHARACTER ASSASSINATION
05:37:26.259 . HE DID, I'M TOLD JUDGE
05:37:26.859 KAVANAUGH, DID WATCH MOST OF
05:37:29.362 THIS TESTIMONY.
05:37:29.762 COMPLETELY DENIES THAT HE WAS
05:37:30.396 AT THAT HOUSE AND THAT HE
05:37:32.398 SEXUALLY ASSAULTED DOCTOR FORD.
05:37:37.070 I THINK YOU GOT A SENSE FROM
05:37:38.304 LISTENING TO SENATOR LINDSEY
05:37:39.005 GRAHAM THAT REPUBLICANS ARE
05:37:39.772 READY TO WAGE WAR.
05:37:40.940 REALLY START A BURROW INTO SOME
05:37:53.920 OF THOSE, BUT THEY BELIEVE, OUR
05:37:54.554 CREDIBILITY GAPS.
05:37:54.987 SOME PEOPLE DON'T THINK THOSE
05:37:55.621 ARE CREDIBILITY GAPS.
05:37:56.122 REPUBLICANS CLEARLY DO.
05:37:56.656 THEY WILL BRING UP WHAT THEY
05:37:57.256 BELIEVE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT
05:37:57.824 ACCOUNTS OF HOW MANY DIFFERENT
05:37:58.458 PEOPLE WERE AT THAT PARTY.
05:37:59.058 AS ONE OFFICIAL SAID, THEY'RE
05:37:59.659 GOING TO POKE HOLES INTO HER
05:38:00.293 CREDIBILITY AT THE SAME TIME I
05:38:03.696 HAVE ALSO SPOKEN WITH A WHITE
05:38:04.330 HOUSE OFFICIAL WHO ADMITTED IT
05:38:04.964 WAS VERY COMPELLING TEST JUST
05:38:07.633 VERY COMPELLING TESTIMONY THAT
05:38:08.267 SHE GAVE.
05:38:08.567 UNTIL THE PRESIDENT DID WATCH
05:38:09.502 MOST OF DOCTOR FORD'S
05:38:12.705 TESTIMONY.
05:38:13.006 NOT ALL OF IT BECAUSE HE WAS IN
05:38:13.706 NEW YORK FOR THE UN MEETING.
05:38:26.285 HE WAS TRAVELING BACK DOWN TO
05:38:26.919 WASHINGTON, BUT DID WATCH SOME
05:38:27.553 OF THAT TESTIMONY.
05:38:28.020 I THINK JUST TO TO SET UP WHAT
05:38:28.754 WE ARE ABOUT TO HEAR, TO BE
05:38:29.354 INCREDIBLY COMPELLING AS YOU
05:38:30.055 ALL WATCHED THIS MORNING ALONG
05:38:30.689 WITH ME, DOCTOR FORD SAID SHE
05:38:33.726 IS 100% SURE THAT IT WAS BRETT
05:38:36.962 KAVANAUGH WHO SEXUALLY
05:38:37.797 ASSAULTED HER. SPECIFICALLY,
05:38:41.367 DESCRIBING THE NEUROBIOLOGICAL
05:38:42.368 REASONS WHY SHE REMEMBERS THAT
05:38:43.870 SO CLEARLY. YOU ARE NOW,
05:38:48.141 ACCORDING TO PEOPLE I HAVE
05:38:48.741 SPOKEN WITH, JUDGE KAVANAUGH IS
05:38:55.381 GOING TO CALL THIS CHARACTER
05:38:55.981 ASSASSINATION ALONG WITH SOME
05:38:56.615 OF THE OTHER ALLEGATIONS THAT
05:38:57.216 HAVE BEEN MAJOR KEY BELIEVES HE
05:38:57.850 IS NOT ONLY DEFENDING HIS
05:39:00.620 CREDIBILITY, BUT ALSO HIS
05:39:01.754 REPUTATION AND HIS CHARACTER,
05:39:04.390 WHICH IS WHAT THIS HAS LARGELY
05:39:05.591 BEEN ABOUT, BUT ABILITY AND
05:39:08.460 CHARACTER.
05:39:08.761 I THINK YOU'LL SEE LINDSEY
05:39:10.930 GRAHAM AND SOME OF THE OTHER
05:39:15.000 REPUBLICAN SENATORS PUSH BACK
05:39:15.634 HARD.
05:39:15.868 THE TWO PEOPLE TO WATCH FOR ON
05:39:16.535 THE REPUBLICAN SIDE ARE SENATOR
05:39:17.169 BEEN SASS, A REPUBLICAN FROM
05:39:18.971 NEBRASKA, WHO, ACCORDING TO
05:39:23.276 REPORTS INSIDE THE ROOM, WAS
05:39:23.876 ONE OF THE FEW REPUBLICAN
05:39:24.610 SENATORS WHO SPECIFICALLY WENT
05:39:29.115 OVER TO DOCTOR FORD AND SHOOK
05:39:29.715 HER HAND AND SAID THANK YOU FOR
05:39:30.383 BEING HERE.
05:39:30.716 SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED HER IN
05:39:32.952 PERSON.
05:39:33.252 HE HAS BEEN CRITICAL OF
05:39:33.786 PRESIDENT TRUMP ON A NUMBER OF
05:39:34.420 ISSUES BUT I WOULD WATCH HIM
05:39:35.020 VERY, VERY CLOSELY WITH THE
05:39:37.690 OTHER PERSON TO WATCH IS
05:39:38.557 SENATOR FLAKE WHO IS RETIRING
05:39:39.958 PUP JUST REPUBLICAN FROM
05:39:42.027 ARIZONA WHO HAS SAID IT IS VERY
05:39:44.297 IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM HER.
05:39:45.832 WATCHES QUESTIONING AS WELL
05:39:50.036 JUDGE KAVANAUGH.
05:39:50.436 THESE ARE REALLY QUESTIONS
05:39:51.070 ABOUT CARE. IN PARTICULAR THE
05:39:55.007 DEMOCRATS WILL BE VERY, VERY
05:39:56.609 TOUGH ON JUDGE KAVANAUGH I
05:39:58.377 THINK WE ARE GOING TO SEE A LOT
05:39:59.412 OF FIGHTING BACK AND FORTH.
05:40:01.180 THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY PARTISAN
05:40:02.948 COMMITTEE AS FAR AS I'M TOLD
05:40:06.052 THE BOAT IN THIS COMMITTEE IS
05:40:07.987 STILL GOING FORWARD TOMORROW
05:40:08.587 MORNING NO MATTER WHAT IT'S
05:40:10.990 LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE
05:40:12.792 INTERESTING.
05:40:13.125 >> FOR SURE.
05:40:13.926 TONIGHT AND TOMORROW. I'M
05:40:17.396 CURIOUS, IN 1991 WHEN CLARENCE
05:40:23.168 THOMAS TESTIFIED AT ANITA HILL
05:40:23.836 DID AS WELL, HOW DID HE PREPARE
05:40:25.771 FOR THAT AND HOW DID HE
05:40:26.906 ESTABLISH THE KIND OF TONE THAT
05:40:31.878 HE WANTED TO SET?
05:40:32.278 >> HE SAT DOWN AT HIS KITCHEN
05:40:32.912 TABLE WITH A NOTE BOOK ABOUT
05:40:35.014 LIKE THIS AND WROTE IT ALL OUT
05:40:36.582 BY HAND.
05:40:38.918 HE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN AN
05:40:42.955 INTERVIEW ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO,
05:40:43.589 IT IS STILL VERY RAW.
05:40:46.926 HE SAID HE COULDN'T SLEEP.
05:40:48.894 HE COULDN'T DECIDE HOW TO SAY
05:40:49.495 IT AND CRAFT HIS STATEMENT.
05:40:50.129 HE GOT UP EARLY IN THE MORNING
05:40:55.434 AND SAT AT THE KITCHEN TABLE
05:40:56.034 AND THE WORDS JUST CAME OUT.
05:40:56.702 ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO BACK
05:40:57.369 AND LOOK AT THAT TESTIMONY.
05:40:58.337 IT IS WHITE-HOT TESTIMONY.
05:40:59.772 IT IS LIKE FIRE.
05:41:02.174 HE DID NOT DO THIS.
05:41:02.674 THIS IS A TRAVESTY.
05:41:04.043 HIS WHOLE LIFE, HIS REPUTATION,
05:41:06.279 EVERYTHING THAT HE HAD WORKED
05:41:07.380 TO BUILD HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY
05:41:15.521 FROM HIM BY THE SENATORS.
05:41:16.122 HE TALKED ABOUT IN THE
05:41:16.622 INTERVIEW HOW HE REALLY FELT IT
05:41:17.289 WAS AN ISSUE OF RACE.
05:41:17.823 I THINK THAT'S A BIG
05:41:18.290 DISTINCTION HERE.
05:41:18.724 WHEN SOME OF THE SENATORS WERE
05:41:19.358 QUESTIONING HIM HE FELT LIKE HE
05:41:22.962 WAS LIKE A PLANTATION OWNER
05:41:23.562 TALKING DOWN TO HIM LIKE HE
05:41:26.766 EVEN USED THE TERM LYNCHING AT
05:41:29.368 THAT TIME.
05:41:30.870 >> THAT'S A VERY VOLATILE WORD.
05:41:31.871 I'M CURIOUS, IS THIS THE
05:41:33.172 ULTIMATE HE SAID SHE SAID?
05:41:37.043 SHE SAID HE'S 100% SURE IS THAT
05:41:37.743 HIM.
05:41:38.344 HE SAYS NOT ONLY WAS IT NOT ME,
05:41:40.312 I WASN'T EVEN THERE.
05:41:40.779 >> YES.
05:41:42.248 IT IS A HE SAID, SHE SAID.
05:41:45.384 >> HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHO IS
05:41:46.084 TELLING THE TRUTH?
05:41:46.952 >> HOW DO WE DO IT IN A COURT
05:41:49.521 OF LAW?
05:41:49.755 HERE IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THIS
05:41:51.623 IS NOT A COURT OF LAW.
05:41:52.858 WE ARE ONLY LOOKING,
05:41:57.863 ULTIMATELY, FOR THE FINAL VOTE
05:41:58.497 OF A FEW SENATORS.
05:41:58.965 WE BELIEVE THAT THE SENATORS,
05:42:00.600 NO MATTER WHAT, ARE GOING TO
05:42:01.234 VOTE ALONG PARTY LINES WITH THE
05:42:02.267 EXCEPTION OF A FEW.
05:42:04.303 THOUGH, I COULD BE SURPRISED, I
05:42:07.072 SUPPOSE.
05:42:11.210 WHENEVER THERE ARE WITNESSES AT
05:42:11.877 TRIAL WHO BOTH SEEM TO HAVE AN
05:42:12.578 AURA OF CREDIBILITY AND YOU
05:42:13.145 HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE YOU HAVE
05:42:15.014 TO DECIDE WHAT IT IS THAT MAKES
05:42:17.450 YOU THINK THAT THIS ONE IS
05:42:19.484 TELLING THE TRUTH. IN DOCTOR
05:42:22.688 FORD'S TESTIMONY WHAT WE DO KNOW
05:42:25.524 IS THAT IN ADDITION TO PASSING
05:42:26.692 A POLYGRAPH AND, YES, I KNOW
05:42:31.397 SOME PEOPLE WOULD CALL IT JUNK
05:42:32.064 SCIENCE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU,
05:42:32.698 IN MY OWN PRACTICE WHEN I USED
05:42:38.203 TO HAVE DEFENDANTS WHO HAD BEEN
05:42:38.870 ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND I
05:42:39.504 WOULD ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD
05:42:40.639 TAKE A CONFIDENTIAL POLYGRAPH
05:42:43.009 FOR ME AND NOT TO WORRY THAT
05:42:47.213 THEY ARE MOSTLY INCONCLUSIVE
05:42:47.847 AND NOT TO FEAR ANYTHING ABOUT
05:42:48.481 IT, IF THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY
05:42:53.552 WOULDN'T THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO
05:42:54.219 HEAR.
05:42:54.453 I WOULD IT REPRESENT THOSE
05:42:58.691 PEOPLE.
05:42:59.125 PUBLICLY ABOUT 80% OF THEM SAID
05:42:59.792 THEY WOULD TAKE IT . THE
05:43:00.326 POLYGRAPH DOES HAVE VALUE TO ME
05:43:02.795 AND TO OTHER PEOPLE.
05:43:03.295 IN ADDITION, SHE HAS TOLD OTHER
05:43:04.363 PEOPLE ABOUT BRETT KAVANAUGH,
05:43:10.969 ALTHOUGH, SHE HAS TOLD THEM IN
05:43:11.603 MORE RECENT TIMES BUT THE FACT
05:43:12.237 THAT SHE DOESN'T REMEMBER
05:43:12.805 CERTAIN THINGS AND THAT IT DOES
05:43:14.573 CHANGE A BIT HERE AND THERE
05:43:16.342 ASKED HER NUMBERS AND PLACES,
05:43:20.179 ULTIMATELY, THOSE KIND OF
05:43:22.915 INCONVENIENT TRUTHS MAKE HER
05:43:27.620 MORE CREDIBLE TO MANY PEOPLE.
05:43:28.254 >> THIS FEELS DIFFERENT TO ME.
05:43:28.954 IN MANY CASES THEY WILL SAY HE
05:43:32.457 SAID, SHE SAID CONSENSUAL OR
05:43:33.058 NOT CONSENSUAL.
05:43:33.458 THIS IS A CASE WHERE HE IS A
05:43:37.930 NOT ONLY DID I NOT DO IT, BUT
05:43:38.564 IT WASN'T EVEN THERE.
05:43:39.064 >> RIGHT.
05:43:39.364 >> YOU HAVE SUCH A STARK DIVIDE
05:43:40.799 HERE.
05:43:42.635 HE HAS GIVEN HIMSELF A LOT OF
05:43:51.777 ROOM IN TERMS OF THE INITIAL
05:43:52.377 DENIALS OF WHAT HAPPENED OR
05:43:52.944 DIDN'T HAPPEN.
05:43:53.311 >> HE'S NOT CALLING HER A
05:43:53.879 LIAR, HE'S SAYING THAT SHE HAS
05:43:55.748 SOMEHOW BEEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED
05:43:56.449 BY SOMEONE, OR AT LEAST THAT IS
05:44:00.953 WHAT HE HAS SET ON FOX NEWS,
05:44:01.554 AND THAT SHE HAS UNDERGONE A
05:44:02.454 TRAUMA, BUT IT WAS NOT HIM.
05:44:03.389 >> AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE,
05:44:07.793 RACHEL MITCHELL DIDN'T GET INTO
05:44:08.427 DETAILS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
05:44:08.994 INSIDE THAT BEDROOM BECAUSE OF
05:44:12.832 WHAT HE SAID BEFORE AND WHAT
05:44:13.766 SHE ANTICIPATES. I THINK HE
05:44:14.933 WILL SAY THIS AFTERNOON AS WE
05:44:17.236 MOVE THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON --
05:44:20.372 WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS
05:44:21.006 YOU HAVE ABOUT THE NEXT FEW
05:44:22.908 HOURS?
05:44:23.675 >> HOW THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING
05:44:24.309 TO, FIRST OF ALL, WE WILL HEAR
05:44:25.978 FROM KAVANAUGH FIRST SO HIS
05:44:28.314 STATEMENT. HIS DEMEANOR.
05:44:31.283 CERTAINLY, I WOULD NOT EXPECT
05:44:32.485 HIM FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT
05:44:33.985 WATCHED HIS INTERVIEW ON FOX
05:44:36.722 NEWS, WHERE HE SEEMED, HE WAS
05:44:40.559 TWO MEASURED -- TO MEASURED.
05:44:41.394 HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY INDIGNATION
05:44:43.696 OR ANGER.
05:44:44.463 HE HAS BEEN ACCUSED NONE OF
05:44:46.665 THIS CAME UP YET, BUT SOME OF
05:44:47.332 THE ALLEGATIONS HAVE BEEN
05:44:48.768 PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY. INCLUDING
05:44:53.238 GANG RAPE AND BEING AT PARTIES
05:44:53.939 WHERE MULTIPLE YOUNG HIGH
05:44:54.506 SCHOOL GIRLS WERE BEING RAPED
05:44:55.875 OVER WEEKENDS IN BETHESDA.
05:44:57.943 ON ITS FACE YOU WOULD THINK
05:45:07.253 SOMEBODY ACCUSED OF THAT WAS A
05:45:07.886 ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
05:45:08.320 SERIOUSLY?
05:45:08.621 WE DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THAT FOX
05:45:09.521 NEWS INTERVIEW.
05:45:09.955 I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE SOME OF
05:45:11.390 THAT ANGER IN HIS OPENING
05:45:14.260 STATEMENT.
05:45:14.593 I WILL ALSO BE VERY CURIOUS TO
05:45:15.227 SEE HOW THE DEMOCRATS GO AFTER
05:45:16.896 HIM ON HIS PERSONAL BEHAVIOR
05:45:19.031 AND IF THESE OUTSIDE
05:45:22.834 ALLEGATIONS ARE RAISED.
05:45:23.368 THEY WANT THIS TO BE, THEY
05:45:23.935 DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THESE
05:45:26.806 ALLEGATIONS, THIS IS ALL ABOUT
05:45:27.440 FORD WHO THEY BELIEVE, BASED ON
05:45:29.174 WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING, DID
05:45:33.012 VERY WELL.
05:45:33.345 KEEP THE FOCUS ON HER.
05:45:33.879 >> THE POLITICAL QUESTION WILL
05:45:35.014 BE WHO SETS THE TERMS OF THE
05:45:37.148 DEBATE AFTER THIS IS OVER?
05:45:38.250 DOES IT BECOME DO YOU BELIEVE
05:45:40.519 DOCTOR FORD?
05:45:40.852 IF THAT'S THE CASE THAT'S NOT
05:45:42.955 GREAT FOR BRETT KAVANAUGH.
05:45:44.490 IF IT BECOMES DO YOU BELIEVE
05:45:48.093 BRETT KAVANAUGH AND HE GIVES
05:45:48.693 THE KIND OF STRONG DEFENSIVE
05:45:51.063 HIMSELF, WHAT HE NEEDS TO
05:45:52.163 PROVIDE IS A COMPELLING DEFENSE
05:45:55.334 OF A SENATORS VOTE.
05:45:56.402 THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY I
05:45:58.037 ELEVATED HIM BECAUSE OF X IF
05:46:00.272 THEY CAN SAY BECAUSE I FOUND
05:46:01.340 HIM CREDIBLE THAT HELPS THOSE
05:46:02.808 REPUBLICANS WHO ARE GOING TO
05:46:05.344 NEED TO VOTE.
05:46:05.777 >> DOES IT EVER BECOME I
05:46:08.847 BELIEVE THEM BOTH?
05:46:09.281 >> YOU COULD LEAVE BOTH.
05:46:11.483 IN AN ODD WAY.
05:46:12.485 YOU COULD BELIEVE THAT SHE
05:46:14.920 BELIEVES SHE IS TELLING THE
05:46:15.988 TRUTH SHE FIRMLY BELIEVES SHE
05:46:18.623 IS TELLING THE TRUTH.
05:46:22.527 >> WHICH IS WHY SHE COULD PASS
05:46:23.194 A LIE DETECTOR.
05:46:23.561 >> AND THAT HE FIRMLY BELIEVES
05:46:27.565 HE IS TELLING THE TRUTH.
05:46:28.133 THEM THAT LEADS YOU DOWN
05:46:28.968 ANOTHER PATH, WHICH IS WHAT WAS
05:46:31.036 HIS BEHAVIOR LIKE AT THIS TIME
05:46:32.872 IN HIS LIFE WITH OTHER PEOPLE?
05:46:36.675 WAS THIS SIMPLY A NIGHT HE
05:46:37.509 DOESN'T REMEMBER?
05:46:38.343 THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY HELP
05:46:40.246 HIM. SUCK WE ARE EXPECTING TO
05:46:42.481 SEE THE JUDGE KAVANAUGH IN THE
05:46:45.217 NEXT TWO OR THREE MINUTES.
05:46:45.984 BEFORE WE GO BACK THERE AND GO
05:46:50.923 TO THE CAMERA THAT IS GOING TO
05:46:51.590 SHOW HIM I WANT TO GO TO ED
05:46:53.525 O
05:46:54.193 HE HAS MORE INFORMATION FROM
05:46:54.793 JUST OUTSIDE THAT HEARING ROOM.
05:46:55.561 >> Reporter: YES.
05:46:58.964 I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN
05:47:00.099 DISCUSSING PROSECUTOR MITCHELL
05:47:01.933 AND HER ROLE IN ALL OF THIS IT
05:47:05.437 IS GOING TO CHANGE SLIGHTLY
05:47:06.037 ONCE JUDGE KAVANAUGH ENTERS THE
05:47:06.938 ROOM I AM TOLD.
05:47:11.744 SHE IS GOING TO ASK ABOUT 20
05:47:12.378 MINUTES WORTH OF QUESTIONS AT
05:47:13.012 THE BEGINNING.
05:47:14.914 WE WILL EVENTUALLY HEAR FROM AT
05:47:16.781 LEAST SOME OF THE REPUBLICAN
05:47:17.382 MEMBERS OF THE JUDICIARY
05:47:17.916 COMMITTEE WHEN THEY ARE CALLED
05:47:18.918 UPON TO QUESTION THE JUDGE.
05:47:22.554 THERE HAS ALSO BEEN SOME
05:47:23.088 QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT WHETHER
05:47:23.688 THIS WAS WORTH IT.
05:47:24.155 WHY DOES WAS SHE AN EFFECTIVE
05:47:27.059 INQUISITOR?
05:47:29.094 I CHECKED WITH SOME SENIOR
05:47:29.661 AIDES WHO WORK FOR REPUBLICANS
05:47:32.263 AND IN THE WORDS OF ONE OF
05:47:32.864 THEM, WHAT WAS THE ALTERNATIVE?
05:47:34.433 REMEMBER THE OPTICS OF 11 MEN
05:47:38.504 QUIZZING THIS WOMAN WAS SUCH
05:47:39.104 THAT THEY WERE SO CONCERNED
05:47:39.705 THEY WENT OUT AND FOUND RACHEL
05:47:40.873 MITCHELL TO COME TO THIS. THEY
05:47:44.910 SAY ULTIMATELY SHE WAS TRYING
05:47:45.544 TO ESTABLISH A FACT PATTERN AND
05:47:47.346 SHE DID THAT TO THE BEST OF HER
05:47:49.848 ABILITY.
05:47:50.181 BEHIND US HERE JUST DOWN THE
05:47:50.815 HALL IS WHERE JUDGE KAVANAUGH
05:47:54.119 IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY WAITING.
05:47:54.786 HE WILL WALK DOWN THE HALLWAY
05:47:55.420 HERE BACK INTO DO -- BACK INTO
05:48:00.659 THE HEARING ROOM TO SIT DOWN
05:48:01.259 AND BEGIN HIS TESTIMONY.
05:48:02.461 HERE IN DIRKSEN THIS AFTERNOON
05:48:07.065 IT HAS REALLY JUST BEEN COPS
05:48:07.699 AND REPORTERS.
05:48:08.099 THEY'RE NOT REALLY ALLOWING ANY
05:48:08.767 OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC NEAR THIS
05:48:09.501 HEARING ROOM.
05:48:09.868 THAT IS MOSTLY IN DEFERENCE TO
05:48:15.007 DOCTOR FORD AND HOPE THAT THIS
05:48:15.741 WOULD BE A SOMEWHAT MORE
05:48:16.275 DISCREET AND RESPECTFUL EXCHANGE
05:48:19.211 . AS JAN AND OTHERS HAVE
05:48:19.845 POINTED OUT, WE SHOULD EXPECT ú
05:48:23.782 PRETTY QUICKLY.
05:48:24.216 I SUSPECT BY THE TIME WE GET TO
05:48:26.919 SENATOR DICK DURBIN OF
05:48:28.754 ILLINOIS, WHO IS A MORE SENIOR
05:48:29.454 MEMBER OF THE SENATE BUT A
05:48:31.023 PARTISAN WARRIOR NONETHELESS IN
05:48:32.391 THE SECOND RANKING DEMOCRAT THAT
05:48:34.894 IT IS AT THAT POINT THE
05:48:39.031 DEMOCRATS REALLY BEGIN TO DIG
05:48:41.333 INTO KAVANAUGH, HIS PERSONAL
05:48:41.933 LIFE, AND WHETHER OR NOT ANY OF
05:48:42.601 THAT SPEAKS TO HIS CREDIBILITY.
05:48:43.636 WE ASKED SOME OF THE MORE
05:48:44.737 JUNIOR DEMOCRATS EARLIER ARE
05:48:46.738 YOU GOING TO DO THAT AND WHY
05:48:47.372 WOULD YOU GO INTO HIS SEX LIFE
05:48:48.273 BRING UP HIS DRINKING?
05:48:51.377 THEY SAID IT ALL SPEAKS TO HIS
05:48:52.044 CREDIBILITY, WHICH IS NOW IN
05:48:53.479 QUESTION AS THIS EXCHANGE
05:48:56.815 CONTINUES.
05:48:57.116 >> THAT QUESTIONING WILL BE
05:48:58.517 VERY INTERESTING.
05:48:58.950 IT WILL ALSO BE INTERESTING TO
05:49:02.955 WATCH SOME REPUBLICAN
05:49:06.892 QUESTIONING.
05:49:07.226 TO WHAT EXTENT JOHN, JEFF
05:49:07.926 FLAKE, AND BEN SASSE
05:49:13.866 POTENTIALLY SPEAK.
05:49:14.299 THEY ARE MEMBERS OF THE
05:49:14.833 COMMITTEE THERE.
05:49:15.234 POTENTIAL SWING VOTES ON ALL OF
05:49:15.901 THIS.
05:49:16.101 >> THAT'S RIGHT. WHAT WE THEN
05:49:17.269 LEARNED FROM THE QUESTIONS THAT
05:49:18.270 THE ASK.
05:49:22.408 IN THE QUESTIONS THEY ASKED
05:49:23.008 THEY WILL LAY THE PREDICATE FOR
05:49:23.642 THE FINAL DECISION ON THIS
05:49:25.144 NOMINATION.
05:49:25.511 THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SAY I
05:49:26.078 ASKED THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I
05:49:27.011 SOUGHT AN ANSWER TO THIS THING.
05:49:28.780 I GOT THE ANSWER I WANTED AND
05:49:33.385 THAT LED ME TO THIS VOTE.
05:49:34.019 AS POLITICIANS THIS IS A MOMENT
05:49:35.087 TO BEGIN A NARRATIVE TO EXPLAIN
05:49:36.521 THEIR VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
05:49:38.824 IF THEY GET A CHANCE TO QUESTION
05:49:44.897 , THAT'S WHY THERE COULD HAVE
05:49:45.531 BEEN SOME BENEFIT TO HAVING
05:49:46.131 REPUBLICANS ASK THE QUESTIONS.
05:49:46.765 IN ASKING THE QUESTION YOU CAN
05:49:48.066 FRAME THE SHAPE OF THE DEBATE.
05:49:48.733 THIS IS A POLITICAL DEBATE, NOT
05:49:50.902 A COURTROOM.
05:49:51.269 THE ABILITY TO FRAME AND SHAPE
05:49:52.337 THE QUESTION CAN SOMETIMES
05:49:54.038 DETERMINE WHAT THE POLITICS END
05:49:55.106 UP BEING IN THE END EXCEPT WE
05:49:57.109 ARE NOT INSIDE THE COURTROOM OR
05:49:59.478 A GOVERNMENT BUILDING, WE ARE
05:50:00.879 INSIDE THE COURT OF OPINION
05:50:03.248 HERE.
05:50:03.448 >> IN CERTAIN WAYS I
05:50:06.218 UNDERSTAND THE OPTICS WERE
05:50:06.785 TERRIBLE TO HAVE 11 WHITE MEN
05:50:08.520 GOING AFTER DOCTOR FORD, BUT AT
05:50:11.590 THE SAME TIME, THERE WAS AN
05:50:16.495 ABILITY ALSO, IF THEY HAD, TO
05:50:17.162 B ABLE TO HAVE TREATED HER
05:50:18.931 WITH DIGNITY IN A WAY THAT
05:50:22.634 SENATOR GRASSLEY DID IN HIS
05:50:23.235 OPENING STATEMENT BUT THEY
05:50:23.802 MIGHT HAVE FARED AT HER FOR
05:50:24.570 THAT.
05:50:24.770 >> YOU SAID IN THE BEGINNING,
05:50:26.572 RICKY, IT WAS VERY HARD FOR
05:50:29.874 RACHEL MITCHELL TO GET A REAL
05:50:30.742 DIALOGUE GOING.
05:50:31.142 DO YOU THINK SHE WAS EFFECTIVE
05:50:33.078 DESPITE THE HANDICAP THAT SHE
05:50:35.013 HAD?
05:50:35.280 >> I DON'T THINK SHE WAS
05:50:37.983 EFFECTIVE.
05:50:38.283 I ALSO DON'T THINK IT'S
05:50:39.017 NECESSARILY HER FAULT EXPECT
05:50:40.486 THE QUESTION IS WHETHER IF
05:50:47.859 ANYONE COULD HAVE BEEN
05:50:48.393 EFFECTIVE UNDER THOSE TERMS?
05:50:48.994 >> RIGHT.
05:50:49.528 THE THING THAT HELPS BRETT --
05:50:51.797 BRETT KAVANAUGH IS IF HE WILL
05:50:53.532 COME IN AND REPUBLICAN SENATORS
05:50:56.334 CAN SAY I FOUND HIM CREDIBLE.
05:50:59.004 >> I CANNOT.
05:51:00.372 I CANNOT BELIEVE THERE'S A
05:51:00.939 REPUBLICAN ON THAT COMMITTEE
05:51:01.707 THAT IS THINKING, DANG IT, I
05:51:07.946 WISH I HAD MY CHANCE TO SIT
05:51:08.547 DOWN AND ASK HER ALL OF THESE
05:51:09.180 QUESTIONS I COULD HAVE REALLY
05:51:09.814 PUT HER ON THE FIRE.
05:51:10.615 NO ONE BUT THAT WAS FRAUGHT
05:51:11.383 WITH PERIL.
05:51:11.683 >> IT WAS.
05:51:12.017 >> IN THIS CLIMATE WHAT THEY
05:51:16.421 WERE ABLE TO DO IN 1991 WHEN
05:51:27.232 ARLAND SPECTOR WAS REALLY
05:51:27.766 GIVING IT TO ANITA HILL IS NOT
05:51:28.400 WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN 2018.
05:51:29.034 THIS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A GREAT
05:51:39.711 MORNING FOR BRETT KAVANAUGH,
05:51:40.311 THERE WASN'T KIND ACROSS PEOPLE
05:51:40.979 HOPED FOR, BUT FOR THE
05:51:41.479 REPUBLICANS I WOULD BE STUNNED
05:51:42.113 IF ANY OF THEM THOUGHT I WISH I
05:51:42.814 COULD HAVE DONE THAT, I COULD
05:51:43.448 HAVE REALLY PUT IT TO HER.
05:51:44.015 >> THEY COULD HAVE ALSO HAD
05:51:44.649 THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW SOME
05:51:45.249 GRACE AND COMPASSION AND STILL
05:51:46.084 MAKE THEIR POINT.
05:51:47.119 >> BUT THEY HAVE THE
05:51:47.920 CONSTITUENTS YOU ARE SAYING --
05:51:50.956 THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
05:51:56.562 BELIEVE HIM AND THINK HE HAS
05:51:57.162 BEN UNFAIRLY ACCUSED.
05:51:57.663 HE IS THIS WONDERFUL MAN LOOK
05:51:58.297 WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE DOING TO
05:52:02.467 HIM.
05:52:02.667 THOSE ARE THEIR CONSTITUENTS.
05:52:03.268 >> THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
05:52:03.835 GOES CONSTITUENTS WOULD SAY WHY
05:52:11.243 DIDN'T YOU REALLY GO AFTER?
05:52:11.877 >> YOU MESSED UP.
05:52:12.344 IT'S YOUR FAULT YOU DIDN'T
05:52:12.911 DEFEND THIS FINE MAN ENOUGH.
05:52:17.416 >> YOU ALSO HAVE NOW THE
05:52:17.949 ABILITY OF WHICHEVER
05:52:18.417 REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO USE
05:52:19.017 THEIR OWN TIME IN ADDITION TO
05:52:21.386 DEALING WITH FLAKE AND SASS,
05:52:23.922 THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO
05:52:26.191 EXACTLY WHAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE
05:52:28.693 JUST DONE WITH DOCTOR FORD,
05:52:29.861 WHICH IS TO BUILD UP THE PERSON
05:52:32.264 THAT BRETT KAVANAUGH IS AND HIS
05:52:35.067 CREDIBILITY. WHICH WAS
05:52:45.076 SOMETHING THAT THE DEMOCRATS
05:52:45.677 DID VERY WELL WITH DOCTOR FORD.
05:52:46.311 >> WE ARE EXPECTING THIS
05:52:46.878 AFTERNOON A DRAMATICALLY
05:52:47.412 DIFFERENT TONE FROM WHAT WE SAW
05:52:48.079 THIS MORNING.
05:52:48.446 THAT IS BASICALLY THE TALE OF
05:52:49.080 TWO DAYS. PRESUMABLY, THIS
05:52:50.782 AFTERNOON. AS WE WAIT FOR úBRE
05:53:02.127 THE SENATE HEARING ROOM WE WILL
05:53:02.794 GET AN OPENING STATEMENT FOR
05:53:03.395 BRETT KAVANAUGH AS WELL. úHE H
05:53:04.529 GOING TO SAY ALREADY, AS DID
05:53:05.130 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD.
05:53:05.630 WE WILL HAVE THE SAME
05:53:08.433 QUESTIONING, IF NOT THE SAME
05:53:10.035 TONE, THE SAME TIME ZIPPER
05:53:11.503 QUESTIONING FROM DEMOCRATIC
05:53:14.907 SENATORS AND REPUBLICAN
05:53:17.142 SENATORS ON THE SENATE
05:53:17.642 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, THAT IS
05:53:18.243 FIVE MINUTES APIECE.
05:53:18.911 HOWEVER, MUCH REPUBLICANS THEN
05:53:22.080 YIELD THEIR TIME TO THE
05:53:25.317 PROSECUTOR, RACHEL MITCHELL,
05:53:25.917 THE GUIDANCE FROM ED O
05:53:28.487 WHO IS JUST OUTSIDE THE HEARING
05:53:29.687 ROOM IS THAT THEY WILL GIVE
05:53:31.522 RACHEL MITCHELL ABOUT 20
05:53:32.056 MINUTES TO QUESTION. IS THAT
05:53:37.462 THE RIGHT WAY TO THINK ABOUT
05:53:38.062 IT?
05:53:38.229 RACHEL MITCHELL WILL BE
05:53:39.031 QUESTIONING BRETT KAVANAUGH?
05:53:40.999 >> YES.
05:53:41.266 SHE IS GOING TO QUESTION HIM.
05:53:44.336 BACK TO THIS CRAZY FIVE
05:53:44.870 MINUTES, FIVE MINUTES, FIVE
05:53:46.204 MINUTES. AT LEAST I ASSUME YOU
05:53:47.438 ARE.
05:53:48.740 >> WHICH IS NOT INTERROGATING
05:53:51.009 EXPECT IT GOES EVERY OTHER ONE.
05:53:52.577 >> NO.
05:53:52.844 SHE IS NOT INTERROGATING, SHE'S
05:53:55.013 PROPPING HIM UP.
05:53:57.582 >> SHE COULD, DEPENDING ON HER
05:53:58.383 ROLE, SHE COULD IN AN ODD WAY
05:54:02.587 PLAY THE ROLE THAT DEMOCRATS
05:54:03.221 WERE PLAYING THIS MORNING.
05:54:03.855 WHEN THERE'S AGGRESSIVE
05:54:04.388 QUESTIONING OR GENTLE
05:54:07.859 QUESTIONING THE DEMOCRATS WERE
05:54:08.493 ABLE TO STEP IN AND
05:54:09.194 REHABILITATE OR ADD CHARACTER
05:54:18.436 WITNESSES.
05:54:18.770 SHE COULD PLAY THAT ROLE.
05:54:19.337 >> POSSIBLE.
05:54:19.704 IT IS THE WHOLE QUESTION OF
05:54:20.305 TIMING.
05:54:20.572 IT IS JUST LIKE IN A COURT OF
05:54:21.707 LAW WHEN SOMEBODY, WHEN I'M ON
05:54:25.477 A ROLL AND SOMEBODY INTERRUPTS
05:54:26.111 ME WITH AN OBJECTION IT WITH
05:54:29.147 ROMY.
05:54:29.380 AT LEAST I COULDN'T GET BACK SO
05:54:31.516 QUICKLY ON THAT ROLE.
05:54:32.718 HERE SHE MAY BE IN A POSITION,
05:54:38.523 RACHEL MITCHELL, TO BE ABLE TO
05:54:39.591 INTERRUPT THE DEMOCRATS FLOW IF
05:54:42.694 THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ANY
05:54:45.998 CONTINUITY, IF THEY HAVE
05:54:46.531 THOUGHT ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING
05:54:47.165 TO BUILD UPON EACH OTHER. THAT
05:54:48.967 MAY NOT.
05:54:49.267 THEY MAY BE ALL IN THEIR LITTLE
05:54:51.102 WORLD.
05:54:51.336 >> ALSO GIVE HIM A WAY TO PLAY
05:54:54.105 CLEANUP.
05:55:00.912 SHE COULD SAY DON'T YOU MEAN
05:55:01.512 THIS?
05:55:01.712 YOU HAVE A WITNESS THAT SAID
05:55:02.346 THAT.
05:55:04.816 WHATEVER PRESSURE POINTS THERE
05:55:05.450 ARE --
05:55:05.683 >> SHE IS EXPERIENCED AT THAT.
05:55:06.918 PROSECUTORS DO A LOT OF REDIRECT
05:55:09.654 EXAMINATION.
05:55:09.988 >> IT WOULD SEEM THE
05:55:11.623 DEMOCRATIC GAME PLAN WAS EASY
05:55:15.026 TO IDENTIFY THEY PRAISED FORD
05:55:16.895 FOR BEING HEROIC AND THEY MADE
05:55:19.831 A LOT OF THE FBI INVESTIGATION
05:55:20.465 NOT TAKEN PLACE IN AN EFFORT TO
05:55:28.206 SAY YOU MAY FIND GAPS IN HER
05:55:28.840 STORY, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN
05:55:29.441 SOLVED BY AN FBI INVESTIGATION.
05:55:30.108 EACH STATE ON THOSE TWO POINTS
05:55:31.009 THROUGHOUT THEIR FIVE MINUTE A
05:55:33.811 LOT OF TIME.
05:55:34.178 IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE
05:55:35.247 WHAT REPUBLICANS, WHEN WE ARE
05:55:39.484 ALL THROUGH THE REPUBLICAN
05:55:40.051 QUESTIONING OF JUDGE CABINET,
05:55:40.852 WHAT TWO THINGS WE COULD COME
05:55:45.223 DOWN TO.
05:55:45.524 IT IS BASICALLY YOU HAVE ABOUT
05:55:46.158 TWOPOINT YOU CAN MAKE.
05:55:46.691 IN THE POLITICAL DEBATE THAT IS
05:55:47.359 GOING TO TAKE PLACE AROUND THIS
05:55:49.961 AND WHAT WILL THAT BE FOR
05:55:50.528 REPUBLICANS?
05:55:50.862 >> IS THERE ANY DOUBT IN YOUR
05:55:52.964 MIND THAT THE WHAT WILL HAPPEN
05:55:54.933 TOMORROW?
05:56:03.175 >> HE CLEARLY IGNORED THE
05:56:03.708 QUESTION.
05:56:03.975 >> LINDSEY GRAHAM YOU ARE
05:56:04.543 TALKING ABOUT.
05:56:04.910 >> YES.
05:56:05.177 >> COULD THEY STILL BE ON
05:56:09.080 TRACK TO VOTE TOMORROW?
05:56:09.580 >> THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING
05:56:10.916 OTHERWISE.
05:56:13.185 . WE ARE JUST LEARNING THAT
05:56:15.520 BRETT KAVANAUGH'S FAMILY IS IN
05:56:17.221 THE HEARING ROOM NOW.
05:56:19.391 WE'RE WAITING FOR HIM TO ARRIVE
05:56:20.058 IN THE SECOND DRAMATIC PART OF
05:56:23.294 THIS HISTORIC DAY ON CAPITOL
05:56:25.997 HILL. AS WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD
05:56:26.664 FROM CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD,
05:56:30.135 BRETT KAVANAUGH'S ACCUSER, NOW
05:56:30.769 WE WAIT TO HEAR FROM KAVANAUGH
05:56:35.006 HIMSELF.
05:56:39.211 RICKY, IF YOU ARE A SENATOR ON
05:56:41.446 EITHER SIDE, IF YOU ARE ONE OF
05:56:42.781 THESE REPUBLICAN SENATORS FIRST,
05:56:43.682 WHO WANTS TO ASK A QUESTION AND
05:56:47.085 NOT YIELD THAT TIME TO RACHEL
05:56:48.319 MITCHELL WHAT ARE YOU ASKING?
05:56:51.856 >> I THINK YOU ARE ASKING
05:56:53.157 QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS CHARACTER.
05:56:53.824 YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT HE HAS
05:56:56.161 LIVED HIS LIFE. OR, YOU ARE
05:57:01.132 ASKING HIM ABOUT THE TRAUMA
05:57:01.733 THAT HE AND HIS FAMILY HAVE
05:57:02.701 BEEN PUT THROUGH AND WHAT HAS
05:57:04.102 HAPPENED TO HIS REPUTATION,
05:57:06.137 WHICH FOR ALL INTENTS AND
05:57:10.542 PURPOSES, SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN
05:57:11.142 VERY, VERY GOOD IN THE POWERFUL
05:57:21.586 COURT ON WHICH HE SERVED.
05:57:22.153 YOU WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE OF
05:57:22.753 THAT.
05:57:23.020 DOCTOR FORD IS NOT THE ONLY ONE
05:57:23.688 WHO SUFFERED.
05:57:24.055 THE KAVANAUGH'S ARE SUFFERING.
05:57:24.689 >> THIS REMINDS ME, THERE IS A
05:57:26.824 MOMENT IN THE HEARING FOR
05:57:27.893 JUSTICE SAM ALITO WHO IS
05:57:29.494 REPLACING A KEY SWING VOTE AS
05:57:30.595 WELL AND IT TURNED THE ENTIRE
05:57:34.566 HEARING WHEN HE GOT FRIENDLY
05:57:35.166 QUESTIONING FROM LINDSEY GRAHAM
05:57:35.834 ABOUT HOW -- LINDSEY GRAHAM WAS
05:57:40.071 AND YOU ARE NOT ABAD PERSON.
05:57:40.705 YOU HAVE NEVER HAD ALLEGATIONS
05:57:41.339 LIKE THIS AGAINST YOU.
05:57:44.108 THE JUSTICES SAID NO.
05:57:44.642 HIS WIFE STARTED CRYING AND RAN
05:57:45.310 OUT OF THE ROOM.
05:57:45.743 AT THAT MOMENT THE HEARING ROOM
05:57:47.546 COMPLETELY CHANGED AND SAM
05:57:51.950 ALITO WAS HEADED FOR THE
05:57:52.483 SUPREME COURT PICK THAT WILL BE
05:57:53.151 SOMETHING, THAT MOMENT -- BACK
05:57:55.286 HAVING HIS FAMILY THERE I DO
05:57:57.488 THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
05:57:58.623 I THINK THAT WHAT HAS HAPPENED
05:58:00.725 TO HIM IN THE PUBLIC EYE HAS
05:58:04.228 ALSO HAPPENED TO HIS FAMILY.
05:58:15.707 I THINK THAT THE SENATORS, WE
05:58:16.341 DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CAMERA,
05:58:16.941 BUT THE SENATORS WILL ALSO BE
05:58:17.575 -- ALSO BE AWARE OF HOW THIS IS
05:58:18.977 KAVANAUGH REACTS DURING THIS
05:58:19.978 HEARING.
05:58:20.245 >> YOU MADE THIS POINT, THIS
05:58:22.781 IS NO LONGER JUST A JOB
05:58:23.281 INTERVIEW.
05:58:23.581 >> THAT'S RIGHT.
05:58:27.018 >> PUBLICANS WILL WANT TO
05:58:28.920 REFRAME IT FROM BEING A JOB
05:58:29.521 INTERVIEW TO GET A PROMOTION
05:58:30.454 INTO IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR
05:58:33.258 JUDGE KAVANAUGH IT WILL BE A
05:58:33.858 PERMANENT VERDICT ON HIS
05:58:34.759 CHARACTER, FOR HIS LIFE, AND
05:58:36.294 FOR THE LIFE OF HIS FAMILY AND
05:58:38.797 CHILDREN.
05:58:39.197 IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE
05:58:40.265 CHOOSING TO DO -- RAISING THE
05:58:45.804 EMOTIONAL STAKES FOR REPUBLICAN
05:58:46.471 SENATORS.
05:58:46.738 >> THAT IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING
05:58:47.405 TO HEAR WITH NO CORROBORATION,
05:58:49.274 NO CONTEMPORANEOUS EVIDENCE,
05:58:51.409 MULTIPLE INCONSISTENCIES, THIS
05:58:54.446 IS ALL COOKED UP BY DEMOCRATS
05:58:58.016 BECAUSE THEY SET ON THE
05:58:58.549 ALLEGATION FOR TWO MONTHS.
05:59:01.887 >> THEY SAID THEY SET ON THE
05:59:02.554 ALLEGATION AT HER REQUEST.
05:59:03.855 DOES THAT MATTER?
05:59:07.525 >> WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO SAY
05:59:08.159 AND WHAT WE ARE ALREADY
05:59:08.692 STARTING TO HEAR IS THAT THEY
05:59:09.326 COULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS
05:59:09.860 FORWARD, EVEN HAD HER NAME
05:59:14.232 REDACTED AND DONE IT
05:59:14.699 ANONYMOUSLY SO IT DIDN'T EVEN
05:59:15.366 HAVE TO BECOME PUBLIC.
05:59:17.469 SENATOR FEINSTEIN AND
05:59:17.936 REPRESENTATIVE AT NSU COULD
05:59:21.772 HAVE COME FORWARD WITH THAT.
05:59:22.406 THAT IS GOING TO BE PART OF
05:59:23.441 THEIR NARRATIVE WE ALREADY SEE
05:59:25.343 THEM COMING OUT TO SAY THIS.
05:59:25.977 THAT DOCTOR FORD HAS MADE IT
05:59:30.982 CLEAR THROUGHOUT THE MORNING
05:59:31.583 SHE NEVER WANTED THIS TO BE A
05:59:32.250 PUBLIC THING.
05:59:32.617 SHE CAN BECAUSE THIS WAS HER
05:59:33.318 CIVIC DUTY.
05:59:36.554 >> SHE HOPED HE WOULD GET THE
05:59:37.188 NOMINATION.
05:59:37.522 SHE WANTED IT TO BE SOMEONE
05:59:38.223 ELSE ENTIRELY.
05:59:38.623 THAT'S WHY SHE
05:59:49.667 A
05:59:49.934 LITTLE KID, WHEN YOU SEE
05:59:51.369 SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WORKING IN
05:59:52.404 YOUR TOWN, CALL YOUR LOCAL
05:59:55.273 CONGRESSMAN.
05:59:55.573 THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SHE DID.
05:59:56.374 >> AND THE TIPLINE.
05:59:57.609 >> THE ENCRYPTED TIP LINE WHERE
06:00:01.079 SHE REALLY COULD REMAIN WITH A
06:00:02.681 FEELING OF SAFETY OF
06:00:06.184 CONFIDENTIALITY.
06:00:07.352 I
06:00:07.985 .
06:00:08.119 >>> I THINK BEAT KAVANAUGH IS
06:00:10.588 IN A POSITION HERE.
06:00:11.088 I'M WITH -- I DON'T KNOW IF I
06:00:12.390 WERE HIM THAT I WOULD HAVE
06:00:15.493 WATCHED ANY OF THAT.
06:00:16.594 BECAUSE -- I THINK THAT IT
06:00:19.264 WOULD EITHER ANGER ME IF I SAY
06:00:20.598 I WASN'T THERE, I DIDN'T DO
06:00:23.401 THIS, IT NEVER HAPPENED AND IT
06:00:29.641 IS A SASS IS AN ASSASSINATION
06:00:34.546 OF MY CHARACTER.
06:00:35.079 >> I STILL THINK YOU NEED TO
06:00:36.247 KNOW WHAT THE OTHER PERSON IS
06:00:37.682 SAYING.
06:00:37.915 >> WE KNEW IT.
06:00:38.549 >> I WOULD WANT TO HEAR IT.
06:00:41.352 HE WILL LIKELY BE ASKED THAT.
06:00:42.687 IF HE WAS WATCHING.
06:00:43.854 >> OF COURSE.
06:00:45.323 IT'S A BETTER.
06:00:46.091 >> WHAT HIS REACTION WAS.
06:00:47.292 >> IT'S A BETTER ANSWER TO SAY
06:00:49.994 HE WATCHED IT AND WHATEVER HIS
06:00:51.296 REACTION MAY HAVE BEEN.
06:00:52.297 IT'S A BETTER ANSWER THAN
06:00:55.300 SAYING I WASN'T GOING TO DO IT.
06:00:57.568 >> THERE'S NO COMPROMISE.
06:00:58.870 IS HE ELEVATED OR HE ISN'T.
06:01:00.404 >> RIGHT AND HE WILL HAVE THE
06:01:01.706 TAG WITH HIM FOR THE REST OF
06:01:03.875 HIS LIFE, ELEVATED OR NOT.
06:01:04.576 >> AND THERE ARE NO WINNERS
06:01:06.478 HERE.
06:01:06.678 WHETHER HE IS ELEVATED OR NOT
06:01:10.115 HE DOESN'T WIN.
06:01:10.515 SHEDOESN'T WIN.
06:01:11.115 THE SUPREME.
06:01:11.448 >> THE FAMILIES DON'T WIN.
06:01:13.618 >> THERE IS -- IT'S -- THIS
06:01:15.487 ENTIRE PROCESS IS -- THERE ARE
06:01:17.055 NO WINNERS.
06:01:17.422 >> WHAT COULD HAVE MADE IT A
06:01:20.725 WINNING SITUATION?
06:01:21.158 WOULD THE FBI INVESTIGATION IN
06:01:22.727 THE BEGINNING HAVE MADE THIS
06:01:24.329 SEEM LIKE A FAIR SITUATION TO
06:01:25.230 PEOPLE WHO WERE CALLING FOR IT
06:01:28.133 FROM THE BEGINNING?
06:01:29.233 I SAID EARLIER SHE WANTED AN
06:01:31.436 FBI INVESTIGATION AND PEOPLE
06:01:32.604 THAT HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE
06:01:33.705 AREN'T SAYING PLEASE COME
06:01:34.806 INVESTIGATE ME.
06:01:36.207 >> THE THING.
06:01:36.841 WHEN THE COMMITTEE WAS AWARE OF
06:01:38.810 THE ALLEGATIONS, ONLY A COUPLE
06:01:41.913 WEEKS AGO.
06:01:42.213 THERE COULD HAVE BEEN AN FBI
06:01:45.717 INVESTIGATION WHERE THEY
06:01:47.018 INTERVIEWED THE WITNESSES.
06:01:47.585 THE SENATE -- ALL OF THESE
06:01:48.520 STATEMENTS THEY ARE TAKING WITH
06:01:49.320 THEIR INVESTIGATORS IS IN THE
06:01:50.921 SENATE.
06:01:51.155 THAT'S THE FORUM FOR IT.
06:01:52.523 THOSE ARE PUNISHABLE AS A
06:01:54.759 FELONY IF YOU LIE SO IT'S NO
06:01:56.361 DIFFERENT.
06:01:56.661 WE ARE GOING TO DO IT IN THE
06:01:58.163 COMMITTEE BECAUSE THE FBI
06:01:59.364 INVESTIGATION PROCESS HAS ENDED
06:02:00.165 AND THIS NEVER CAME UP BY THEN.
06:02:02.367 I THINK.
06:02:03.100 >> SENATOR GRAHAM SAID WE
06:02:04.369 COULD HAVE HAD AN INVESTIGATION
06:02:06.371 IN THE LAST 11 DAYS.
06:02:08.039 >> THAT'S RIGHT.
06:02:09.173 ABSOLUTELY.
06:02:09.473 THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
06:02:09.974 THEY COULD HAVE DONE IT IN THE
06:02:12.243 HILL THOMAS.
06:02:12.576 WHEN THEY REOPENED THAT.
06:02:13.144 IT WAS A MATTER OF THREE DAYS
06:02:15.146 THAT 2 TOOK THEM.
06:02:16.047 THAT WOULDN'T HAVE ANSWERED
06:02:17.082 ANYTHING IS MY POINT.
06:02:17.949 THEY -- THE FBI JUST TAKES
06:02:19.951 INTERVIEWS.
06:02:20.552 >> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
06:02:23.488 OBJECTIVE INVESTIGATION IN THE
06:02:25.323 PUBLIC'S EYE.
06:02:25.656 THAT YOU WOULD HAVE.
06:02:26.123 >> MAYBE -- IT WOULD HAVE
06:02:28.693 ROBBED A TALKING POINT THAT THE
06:02:31.696 FBI -- POLITICALLY MAYBE IT WAS
06:02:32.997 A BLUNDER BY REPUBLICAN IFS IT
06:02:34.832 WOULD HAVE PROVIDE MORE
06:02:35.900 INFORMATION.
06:02:36.233 >> AND PERHAPS THERE IS SOME
06:02:37.202 CHANCE THEY MAY HAVE FOUND
06:02:38.303 SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE --
06:02:40.071 THAT WOULD HAVE MADE IT
06:02:41.639 CLEARER.
06:02:41.905 >> IT MAY HAVE CLEARED HIM.
06:02:43.174 >> INDEED AND SOME HAVE ARGUED
06:02:45.176 THAT WOULD BE -- THAT HE --
06:02:47.045 THERE SHOULD BE AN
06:02:47.879 INVESTIGATION FOR THE PURPOSES
06:02:49.647 OF CLEARING HIM.
06:02:50.148 I THINK IN YOUR QUESTION WHICH
06:02:51.850 IS COULD IT HAVE BEEN BETTER.
06:02:53.184 IN THIS IS THAT THIS IS REALLY
06:02:55.553 NOT THE BEST VENUE TO WORK WITH
06:02:57.689 THE TRICKIEST QUESTIONS IN THE
06:03:01.226 CULTURE THAT ARE IN ALL PARTS
06:03:06.898 OF THE CULTURE.
06:03:07.331 THIS IS NOT THE BEST PLACE TO
06:03:09.701 UNWIND THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE
06:03:10.902 WE HAVE YET TO FIND A BEST
06:03:12.169 PLACE FOR THAT.
06:03:12.569 >> HOW MUCH WE HAVE LEARNED
06:03:15.006 THAT WE DIDN'T IN 1991 AND NOW
06:03:17.776 DOING IT ALL OVER AGAIN IN THE
06:03:19.377 SAME WAY AND TO YOUR POINT THAT
06:03:21.346 IT NOT BEING THE MOST EFFECTIVE
06:03:22.580 WAY TO DO IT BUT IT IS -- HOW
06:03:25.450 IT'S HAPPENING.
06:03:25.817 >> YEAH.
06:03:27.018 >> RIGHT NOW.
06:03:29.253 >> WE SEE THE CHAIRMAN,
06:03:33.625 REPUBLICAN CHAIRMAN.
06:03:34.092 >> THERE'S LINDSEY GRAHAM.
06:03:34.692 >> HE SAID HE FEELS AMBUSHED
06:03:37.895 BY THE PROCESS.
06:03:38.495 ORRIN HATCH YOU SEE THERE.
06:03:40.531 SENATORS MAKING THEIR WAY BACK
06:03:43.902 IN.
06:03:44.202 THERE IS -- YOUR -- REPUBLICAN
06:03:48.172 PICKED QUESTIONER RACHEL
06:03:50.909 MITCHELL ON HER WAY BACK IN.
06:03:54.044 JOHN KENNEDY TO THE ROOM.
06:03:55.980 JOHN CORIN WHO WE HEARD.
06:03:57.582 HIS WORDS WERE I WOULD SAY MORE
06:04:02.253 MEASURED THAN LINDSEY GRAHAM'S
06:04:03.621 WERE.
06:04:03.888 GRAHAM HAD SOME VERY STRONG
06:04:05.123 OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT IS TAKING
06:04:07.191 PLACE SO FAR.
06:04:07.992 YOU SEE TED CRUZ, BEN SASS, SO,
06:04:12.797 ALL SENATORS, JEFF FLAKE.
06:04:13.564 AGAIN -- YOU JUST SAW A FEW OF
06:04:15.733 THE SENATORS WHO YOU WILL BE
06:04:18.002 WATCHING VERY CLOSELY, NOT JUST
06:04:19.003 THIS AFTERNOON BUT IN THE NEXT
06:04:21.873 FEW DAYS AS WE FIGURE OUT
06:04:24.341 WHETHER THIS FIRST VOTE -- WHAT
06:04:26.377 HAPPENS THIS AFTERNOON, WHETHER
06:04:28.780 A VOTE HAPPENS TOMORROW AND
06:04:30.882 THEN WHETHER ONE TAKES PLACE
06:04:33.852 AFTER THAT EARLY NEXT WEEK
06:04:36.588 REGARDING BRETT KAVANAUGH AND
06:04:37.922 THE SUPREME COURT.
06:04:38.957 THEY TOOK A BREAK NOW.
06:04:42.627 THEY SAID IT WOULD BE A 45
06:04:48.533 MINUTE BREAK BETWEEN WHEN FORD
06:04:51.336 TESTIFIED AND WHEN BRETT
06:04:52.904 KAVANAUGH TESTIFIED.
06:04:53.371 ITS BEEN A LITTLE MORE THAN
06:04:54.973 THAT 45 MINUTES.
06:04:55.373 WE HAVE BEEN ASKING THE
06:04:56.908 QUESTION OF IF JUDGE KAVANAUGH
06:04:58.276 HAD BEEN WATCHING SOME OF THIS
06:04:59.810 TESTIMONY.
06:05:00.110 WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO
06:05:01.779 THAT.
06:05:01.979 WE KNOW THAT DURING PART OF HIS
06:05:03.982 TIME HE WAS OBVIOUSLY MAKING
06:05:06.384 HIS WAY FROM HIS HOME TO THE
06:05:09.887 HEARING ITSELF.
06:05:10.287 WE ARE ALSO TOLD THAT THE
06:05:12.623 PRESIDENT HAS BEEN WATCHING
06:05:17.328 THIS HEARING.
06:05:18.329 HE ALSO WAS IN TRANSIT HEADING
06:05:19.530 TO DC FROM NEW YORK WHERE HE
06:05:23.034 WAS FOR THE UN MEETINGS.
06:05:26.069 THE FOLKS INVOLVED IN THIS AS
06:05:27.605 WELL AS THE REST OF THE COUNTRY
06:05:29.407 ARE WATCHING EVERYTHING THAT
06:05:31.209 HAS BEEN HAPPENING HERE SO
06:05:33.311 CLOSELY TODAY AND WILL CONTINUE
06:05:35.413 TO WATCH THIS AFTERNOON AS WE
06:05:36.781 JUST DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT
06:05:38.649 WHAT WILL HAPPEN THIS
06:05:40.284 AFTERNOON.
06:05:40.584 >> WE DON'T.
06:05:42.921 I MEAN WE CAN ANTICIPATE AS
06:05:44.555 MUCH AS WE CAN THAT YOU ARE
06:05:51.695 GOING TO SEE TO SEE YOU A
06:05:59.003 PASSION ATE BRETT KAVANAUGH AND
06:06:05.443 AN IDIGNANT ONE.
06:06:22.026 .
06:06:22.159 >> HE WAS HOLDING HIS WIFE'S
06:06:23.962 HAND.
06:06:24.162 >> JUDGE KAVANAUGH WALKING IN
06:06:25.263 TO HA HEARING ROOM HOLDING
06:06:28.733 HANDS WITH HIS WIFE.
06:06:29.567 A BLUE TIE AS HE MAKES HIS WAY
06:06:38.109 TO THE HEARING TABLE.
06:06:39.010 JUST HIS NAME IN FRONT OF HIM.
06:06:43.014 FORD WAS FLANKED BY HER
06:06:44.615 ATTORNEYS.
06:06:44.915 I DON'T SEE OTHER SEATS THERE
06:06:49.921 RIGHT NOW.
06:06:50.221 IT'S JUST BRETT KAVANAUGH BY
06:06:52.557 HIMSELF IN THAT CHAIR IT WOULD
06:06:53.457 APPEAR RIGHT NOW AS HE PREPARES
06:06:57.061 TO RECEIVE QUESTIONS IN FIVE
06:06:59.030 MINUTE SLOTS FROM 11 SENATORS
06:07:02.166 ON THE SENATE JUDICIARY
06:07:05.069 COMMITTEE AND TEN DEMOCRATS.
06:07:07.004 AT THIS POINT A HEARING THAT
06:07:10.708 WILL -- AS CHUCK, DIANE
06:07:12.310 FEINSTEIN.
06:07:12.610 A HEARING THAT WILL LIKELY TAKE
06:07:13.511 US IN TO THE DINNER HOUR AT
06:07:16.647 THIS POINT.
06:07:17.115 LET'S LISTEN IN AS JUDGE
06:07:22.687 KAVANAUGH SITS DOWN.
06:07:43.908 .
06:07:44.041 >>> JUDGE KAVANAUGH WE WELCOME
06:07:48.246 YOU.
06:07:48.446 ARE YOU READY?
06:07:48.846 I HAVE A -- I HAVE SOMETHING I
06:07:50.014 WANT TO CLEAR UP FROM THE LAST
06:07:53.518 MEETING THAT DOESN'T AFFECT
06:07:56.020 YOU.
06:07:56.220 SO BEFORE I SWEAR YOU, I WOULD
06:07:58.956 LIKE TO EXPLAIN MY RESPONSE TO
06:08:02.059 SENATOR KENNEDY RIGHT AFTER THE
06:08:04.061 BREAK.
06:08:04.294 AT THAT TIME I ENTERED INTO THE
06:08:06.264 RECORD THE STATEMENTS OF THREE
06:08:08.866 WITNESSES, DR. FORD SAID WERE
06:08:11.369 ALSO AT THE PARTY.
06:08:12.837 THESE STATEMENTS WERE PROVIDED
06:08:15.006 TO US UNDER PENALTY OF FELONY,
06:08:18.943 IF YOU LIE TO CONGRESS.
06:08:22.613 AS SOON AS MY TEAM LEARNED THE
06:08:23.848 NAME OF THE THREE POTENTIAL
06:08:26.651 WITNESSES WE IMMEDIATELY
06:08:28.219 REACHED OUT TO THEM REQUESTING
06:08:32.356 AN INTERVIEW.
06:08:33.758 IN RESPONSE ALL THREE SUBMITTED
06:08:35.560 STATEMENTS TO US DENYING ANY
06:08:40.464 KNOWLEDGE OF THE GATHERING DR.
06:08:43.167 FORD DESCRIBED.
06:08:43.667 IF WE HAD CALLS WITH THEM WE
06:08:46.537 WOULD HAVE INVITED THE MINORITY
06:08:48.839 TO JOIN.
06:08:50.141 EVERY TIME THAT WE HAVE
06:08:52.944 RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION
06:08:53.644 REGARDING JUDGE KAVANAUGH WE
06:08:57.148 HAVE SOUGHT TO IMMEDIATELY
06:09:00.418 FOLLOW THROUGH AND INVESTIGATE.
06:09:02.186 THE MINORITY STAFF SAT ON DR.
06:09:03.687 FORD'S LETTER FOR WEEKS AND
06:09:05.490 STAFF TOLD US THAT THEY
06:09:08.092 BELIEVED IT IS QUOTE HIGHLY
06:09:11.595 INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE THESE
06:09:12.663 FOLLOW UP CALLS BEFORE THE FBI
06:09:14.699 FINISHES ITS INVESTIGATION, END
06:09:15.766 OF QUOTE THOUGH THE FBI HAD
06:09:20.638 COMPLETED ITS BACKGROUND
06:09:21.939 INFORMATION.
06:09:22.272 WHEN WE FOLLOWED UP WITH JUDGE
06:09:24.742 KAVANAUGH AFTER WE RECEIVED DR.
06:09:27.545 FORD'S ALLEGATIONS THE RANKING
06:09:28.746 MEMBER STAFF DIDN'T JOIN US
06:09:29.947 EVEN THOUGH THESE CALLS ARE
06:09:33.484 USUALLY DONE ON A BIPARTISAN
06:09:34.552 BASIS.
06:09:34.785 THEY JOINED OTHER CALLS WITH
06:09:36.954 THE JUDGE BUT DIDN'T
06:09:38.189 PARTICIPATE OR ASK ANY
06:09:40.091 QUESTIONS.
06:09:40.391 WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE, SIR?
06:09:44.895 >> YES.
06:09:46.197 >> DO YOU AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY
06:09:47.265 YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE BEFORE
06:09:48.299 THE COMMITTEE WILL BE THE
06:09:49.367 TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND
06:09:50.867 NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP
06:09:52.169 YOU GOD?
06:09:53.270 >> I DO.
06:09:54.906 >> YEAH.
06:09:55.273 AND -- LIKE WE -- LIKE WE
06:09:59.010 OFFERED TO SENATOR -- OR TO DR.
06:10:01.179 FORD, YOU CAN TAKE WHATEVER
06:10:02.012 TIME YOU WANT NOW FOR YOUR
06:10:04.148 OPENING STATEMENT.
06:10:04.581 THEN WE WILL GO TO QUESTIONS.
06:10:10.521 PROCEED.
06:10:11.021 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, RANKING
06:10:13.624 MEMBER FEINSTEIN, MEMBERS OF
06:10:15.493 THE COMMITTEE, THANK YOU FOR
06:10:17.695 ALLOWING ME TO MAKE MY
06:10:20.898 STATEMENT.
06:10:21.198 I WROTE IT MYSELF YESTERDAY
06:10:24.001 AFTERNOON AND EVENING.
06:10:26.070 NOBODY HAS SEEN A DRAFT OR IT
06:10:28.072 EXCEPT FOR ONE OF MY FORMER LAW
06:10:32.977 CLERKS.
06:10:33.210 THIS IS MY STATEMENT.
06:10:34.779 LESS THAN TWO WEEKS AGO DR.
06:10:36.447 FORD PUBLICLY ACCUSED ME OF
06:10:38.883 COMMITTING WRONGDOING AT AN
06:10:41.185 EVENT MORE THAN 36 YEARS AGO
06:10:42.386 WHEN WE WERE BOTH IN HIGH
06:10:47.124 SCHOOL.
06:10:47.591 I DENIED THE ALLEGATION
06:10:52.029 IMMEDIATELY, CATEGO RICALLY.
06:10:53.597 ALL FOUR PEOPLE ALLEGEDLY AT
06:10:55.799 THE EVENT INCLUDING DR. FORD'S
06:10:59.870 LONG TIME FRIEND MISS KAISER
06:11:00.904 HAVE SAID THEY RECALL NO SUCH
06:11:03.574 EVENT.
06:11:03.807 HER LONG TIME FRIEND MISS
06:11:05.876 KAISER SAID UNDER PENALTY OF
06:11:08.179 FELONY SHE DOESN'T KNOW ME AND
06:11:09.480 DOESN'T BELIEVE SHE EVER SAW ME
06:11:13.484 AT A PARTY EVER.
06:11:14.585 HERE IS THE QUOTE FROM HER
06:11:20.324 ATTORNEY'S LETTER.
06:11:21.826 QUOTE, SIMPLY PUT SHE DOESN'T
06:11:23.494 KNOW MR. KAVANAUGH.
06:11:23.961 SHE HAS NO RECOLLECTION OF EVER
06:11:25.029 BEING AT A PARTY OR GATHERING
06:11:28.132 WHERE HE WAS PRESENT WITH OR
06:11:33.904 WITHOUT DR. FORD.
06:11:37.007 END QUOTE.
06:11:37.407 THINK ABOUT THAT FACT.
06:11:38.375 THE DAY AFTER THE ALLEGATION
06:11:41.178 APPEARED I TOLD THIS COMMITTEE
06:11:43.214 THAT I WANTED A HEARING AS SOON
06:11:46.984 AS POSSIBLE TO CLEAR MY NAME.
06:11:48.786 I DEMANDED A HEARING FOR THE
06:11:52.723 VERY NEXT DAY.
06:11:53.324 UNFORTUNATELY, IT TOOK THE
06:11:55.126 COMMITTEE TEN DAYS TO GET TO
06:11:59.130 THIS HEARING.
06:12:00.196 IN THOSE TEN LONG DAYS AS WAS
06:12:03.534 PREDICTABLE AND AS I PREDICTED
06:12:06.003 MY FAMILY AND MY NAME HAVE BEEN
06:12:10.007 TOTALLY AND PERMANENTLY
06:12:13.177 DESTROYED BY VICIOUS AND FALSE
06:12:16.414 ADDITIONAL ACCUSATIONS.
06:12:16.947 THE TEN DAY DELAY HAS BEEN
06:12:19.016 HARMFUL TO ME AND MY FAMILY, TO
06:12:22.119 THE SUPREME COURT, AND TO THE
06:12:26.223 COUNTRY.
06:12:26.490 WHEN THIS ALLEGATION FIRSTA
06:12:27.457 ROSE I WELCOMED ANY KIND OF
06:12:34.031 INVESTIGATION.
06:12:34.398 SENATE, FBI, OR OTHERWISE.
06:12:35.232 THE COMMITTEE NOW HAS CONDUCTED
06:12:36.634 A COMPLETE INVESTIGATION AND I
06:12:39.603 HAVE COOPERATED FULLY.
06:12:41.038 I KNOW THAT ANY KIND OF
06:12:45.709 INVESTIGATION, SENATE, FBI,
06:12:48.913 MONTGOMERY POLICE, WHATEVER,
06:12:50.014 WILL CLEAR ME.
06:12:51.181 LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE I KNOW.
06:12:53.517 LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
06:12:55.719 KNOWN ME MY WHOLE LIFE.
06:12:56.620 LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE I HAVE
06:12:59.256 GROWN UP WITH AND WORKED WITH
06:13:00.858 AND PLAYED WITH AND COACHED
06:13:03.027 WITH AND DATED AND TAUGHT AND
06:13:04.662 GONE TO GAMES WITH AND HAD
06:13:08.866 BEERS WITH.
06:13:09.366 LISTEN TO THE WITNESSES WHO
06:13:11.836 ALLEGEDLY WERE AT THIS EVENT 36
06:13:15.439 YEARS AGO.
06:13:20.544 LISTEN TO MISS KAISER.
06:13:23.280 SHE DOES NOT KNOW ME.
06:13:24.080 I WAS NOT AT THE PART DESCRIBED
06:13:28.319 BY DR. FORD THIS PROCESS HAS
06:13:31.455 BECOME A NATIONAL DISGRACE.
06:13:32.722 THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE
06:13:33.557 SENATE AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE
06:13:37.862 CONFIRMATION PROCESS.
06:13:38.329 YOU HAVE REPLACED ADVICE AND
06:13:41.532 CONSENT WITH SEARCH AND
06:13:44.768 DESTROY.
06:13:45.035 SINCE MY NOMINATION IN JULY
06:13:46.337 THERE HAS BEEN A FRENZY ON THE
06:13:47.972 LEFT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING,
06:13:52.910 ANYTHING TO BLOCK MY
06:13:54.111 CONFIRMATION.
06:13:54.444 SHORTLY AFTER I WAS NOMINATED
06:13:56.514 THE DEMOCRATIC SENATE LEADER
06:14:02.920 SAID HE WOULDO MOSE WOULD
06:14:05.589 OPPOSE ME WITH EVERYTHING HE
06:14:07.024 HAS, ANOTHER DEMOCRAT REFERRED
06:14:09.960 TO ME AS EVIL, EVIL.
06:14:11.695 THINK ABOUT THAT WORD AND SAID
06:14:13.664 THOSE WHO SUPPORTED ME WERE
06:14:22.907 COMPLICIT IN EVIL.
06:14:24.241 ANOTHER DEMOCRATIC SENATOR SAID
06:14:25.342 JUDGE KAVANAUGH IS YOUR WORST
06:14:26.644 NIGHTMARE.
06:14:27.011 A FORMER HEAD OF THE DNC SAID
06:14:30.948 JUDGE KAVANAUGH WILL THREATEN
06:14:32.950 THE LIVES OF MILLIONS OF
06:14:37.788 AMERICANS FOR DECADES TO COME.
06:14:39.890 I UNDERSTAND THE PASSIONS OF
06:14:41.959 THE MOMENT BUT I WOULD SAY TO
06:14:45.396 THOSE SENATORS YOUR WORDS HAVE
06:14:49.800 MEANING.
06:14:50.801 MILLIONS OF AMERICANS LISTENED
06:14:54.271 CAREFULLY TO YOU.
06:14:55.139 GIVEN COMMENTS LIKE THOSE IS IT
06:14:57.341 ANY SURPRISE THAT PEOPLE HAVE
06:15:00.144 BEEN WILLING TO DO ANYTHING TO
06:15:02.446 MAKE ANY PHYSICAL THREAT
06:15:04.849 AGAINST MY FAMILY?
06:15:05.582 TO SEND ANY VIOLENT E-MAIL TO
06:15:08.452 MY WIFE?
06:15:09.853 TO MAKE ANY KIND OF ALLEGATION
06:15:13.591 AGAINST ME AND AGAINST MY
06:15:15.593 FRIENDS?
06:15:15.860 TO BLOW ME UP AND TAKE ME DOWN?
06:15:20.798 YOU SOWED THE WIND, FOR DECADES
06:15:22.766 TO COME I FEAR THAT THE WHOLE
06:15:25.202 COUNTRY WILL REAP THE
06:15:28.672 WHIRLWIND.
06:15:28.972 THE BEHAVIOR OF SEVERAL OF THE
06:15:31.342 DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS OF THIS
06:15:33.577 COMMITTEE AT MY HEARING A FEW
06:15:39.016 WEEKS AGO AS AN EMBARRASSMENT.
06:15:41.819 THOSE EFFORTS DIDN'T WORK.
06:15:43.554 WHEN I DID AT LEAST OKAY ENOUGH
06:15:45.990 AT THE HEARINGS THAT IT LOOKED
06:15:47.591 LIKE I MAY GET CONFIRMED A NEW
06:15:51.095 TACTIC WAS NEEDED.
06:15:52.028 SOME OF YOU WERE LYING IN
06:15:56.901 WEIGHT AND HAD IT READY.
06:15:58.001 THIS FIRST ALLEGATION WAS HELD
06:15:59.570 IN SECURITY FOR WEEKS BY A
06:16:00.938 DEMOCRAT MEMBER OF THIS
06:16:02.840 COMMITTEE AND BY STAFF.
06:16:03.673 IT WOULD BE NEEDED ONLY IF YOU
06:16:05.075 COULDN'T TAKE ME OUT ON THE
06:16:09.046 MERITS.
06:16:09.580 WHEN IT WAS NEEDED THIS
06:16:13.050 ALLEGATION WAS UNLEASHED AND
06:16:14.617 PUBLICLY DEPLOYED OVER DR.
06:16:20.691 FORD'S WISHES.
06:16:21.058 THEN, AND THEN AS WAS NO DOUBT
06:16:27.798 EXPECTED IF NOT PLANNED CAME A
06:16:29.099 LONG SERIES OF LAST MINUTE
06:16:30.801 SMEARS DESIGNED TO SCARE ME AND
06:16:31.769 DRIVE ME OUT OF THE PROCESS
06:16:40.377 BEFORE ANY HEARING HAPPENED.
06:16:41.578 CRAZY STUFF, GANGS, FIGHTS ON
06:16:44.548 BOATS IN RHODE ISLAND,
06:16:46.917 CHILDREN, ALL NONE SENSE,
06:16:53.490 REPORTED BREATHLESSLY BY THE
06:16:55.292 MEDIA.
06:16:55.525 THIS HAS DESTROYED MY FAMILY
06:16:56.994 AND MY GOOD NAME.
06:16:57.795 A GOOD NAME BUILT UP THROUGH
06:16:59.596 DECADES OF HARD WORK AND PUBLIC
06:17:01.198 SERVICE AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS
06:17:06.170 OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT.
06:17:06.770 THIS WHOLE TWO WEEK EFFORT HAS
06:17:11.475 BEEN A CALCULATED AND
06:17:12.876 ORCHESTRATED POLITICAL HIT
06:17:14.078 FUELED WITH PENT UP ANGER ABOUT
06:17:18.382 PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE 2016
06:17:21.185 ELECTION, FEAR THAT HAS BEEN
06:17:24.187 UNFAIRLY STOKED ABOUT MY
06:17:25.022 RECORD, REVENGE ON BEHALF OF
06:17:27.725 THE CLINTONS, AND MILLIONS OF
06:17:30.294 DOLLARS IN MONEY FROM OUTSIDE
06:17:34.898 LEFT WING OPPOSITION GROUPS.
06:17:37.835 THIS IS A CIRCUS.
06:17:38.935 THE CONSEQUENCES WILL EXTEND
06:17:41.772 LONG PAST MY NOMINATION.
06:17:42.572 THE CONSEQUENCES WILL BE WITH
06:17:47.478 US FOR DECADES.
06:17:49.279 THIS GROTESQUE AND COORDINATED
06:17:53.584 CHARACTER ASSASSINATION WILL
06:17:54.852 DISSU ADE GOOD PEOPLE OF ALL
06:17:59.890 POLITICAL AREAS SERVING OUR
06:18:00.624 COUNTRY AND AS WE KNOW IN THE
06:18:03.026 POLITICAL SYSTEM OF THE EARLY
06:18:04.528 2,000'S WHAT GOES AROUND COMES
06:18:09.933 AROUND.
06:18:10.200 I AM AN OPTIMISTIC GUY.
06:18:10.800 I ALWAYS TRY TO BE ON THE
06:18:13.470 SUNRISE SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN.
06:18:14.837 TO BE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE DAY
06:18:19.376 THAT IS COMING.
06:18:20.077 TODAY, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I
06:18:23.981 FEAR FOR THE FUTURE.
06:18:25.615 LAST TIME I WAS HERE I TOLD
06:18:28.085 THIS COMMITTEE THAT A JUDGE
06:18:30.587 MUST BE INDEPENDENT, NOT SWAYED
06:18:32.823 BY PUBLIC OR POLITICAL
06:18:33.623 PRESSURE.
06:18:34.424 I SAID I WAS SUCH A JUDGE AND I
06:18:39.029 AM.
06:18:39.195 I WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED INTO
06:18:42.099 WITHDRAWING FROM THIS PROCESS.
06:18:43.801 YOU HAVE TRIED HARD.
06:18:47.471 YOU HAVE GIVEN IT YOUR ALL.
06:18:51.275 YOUR COORDINATE AND WELL FUNDED
06:18:53.077 EFFORT TO DESTROY MY GOOD NAME
06:18:55.378 AND DESTROY MY FAMILY WILL NOT
06:19:00.083 DRIVE ME OUT.
06:19:01.485 THE VILE THREATS OF VIOLENCE
06:19:02.619 AGAINST MY FAMILY WILL NOT
06:19:04.088 DRIVE ME OUT.
06:19:04.755 YOU MAY DEFEAT ME IN THE FINAL
06:19:06.723 VOTE BUT YOU WILL NEVER GET ME
06:19:12.529 TO QUIT.
06:19:12.796 NEVER.
06:19:13.430 I'M HERE TODAY TO TELL THE
06:19:16.834 TRUTH.
06:19:17.067 I HAVE NEVER SEXUALLY ASSAULTED
06:19:20.804 ANYONE.
06:19:21.037 NOT IN HIGH SCHOOL, NOT IN
06:19:24.908 COLLEGE, NOT EVER.
06:19:26.877 SEXUAL ASSAULT IS HORRIFIC.
06:19:28.544 ONE OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS TO
06:19:29.513 THIS DAY IS A WOMAN WHO WAS
06:19:31.748 SEXUALLY ABUSED AND WHO IN THE
06:19:33.617 90s WHEN WE WERE IN OUR 30s
06:19:35.786 CONFIDED IN ME ABOUT THE ABUSE.
06:19:39.556 SHE SOUGHT MY ADVICE.
06:19:40.324 I WAS ONE OF THE ONLY PEOPLE
06:19:45.429 SHE CONSULTED.
06:19:45.796 ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
06:19:48.832 MUST ALWAYS BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY,
06:19:51.234 ALWAYS.
06:19:51.467 THOSE WHO MAKE ALLEGATIONS
06:19:54.905 ALWAYS DESERVE TO BE HEARD.
06:19:56.106 AT THE SAME TIME THE PERSON WHO
06:19:58.709 IS THE SUBJECT OF THE
06:20:01.812 ALLEGATIONS ALSO DESERVES TO BE
06:20:03.413 HEARD.
06:20:03.881 DUE PROCESS IS A FOUNDATION OF
06:20:06.917 THE AMERICAN RULE OF LAW.
06:20:08.385 DUE PROCESS MEANS LISTENING TO
06:20:14.891 BOTH SIDES.
06:20:17.828 AS I TOLD YOU AT MY HEARING
06:20:20.364 THREE WEEKS AGO I'M THE ONLY
06:20:23.934 CHILD OF MY PARENTS.
06:20:26.904 THEY ARE HERE TODAY.
06:20:28.005 WHEN I WAS TEN MY MOM WENT TO
06:20:29.506 LAW SCHOOL AND AS A LAWYER SHE
06:20:32.609 WORKED HARD AND OVERCAME
06:20:34.011 BARRIERS INCLUDING THE
06:20:35.479 WORKPLACE SEXUAL HARASSMENT
06:20:36.213 THAT SO MANY WOMEN FACED AT THE
06:20:40.317 TIME AND STILL FACE TODAY.
06:20:42.852 SHE BECAME A TRAILBLAZER.
06:20:45.388 ONE OF MARYLAND'S EARLIEST
06:20:49.459 WOMEN PROSECUTORS AND TRIAL
06:20:51.361 JUDGES.
06:20:52.029 THEY TAUGHT ME THE IMPORTANCE
06:20:53.163 OF EQUALITY AND RESPECT FOR ALL
06:20:54.565 PEOPLE AND SHE INSPIRED ME TO
06:20:56.533 BE A LAWYER AND A JUDGE.
06:20:58.068 LAST TIME I WAS HERE I TOLD YOU
06:21:00.304 THAT WHEN MY MOM WAS A
06:21:01.805 PROSECUTOR AND I WAS IN HIGH
06:21:03.306 SCHOOL SHE USED TO PRACTICE HER
06:21:05.909 CLOSING ARGUMENTS AT THE DINING
06:21:07.010 ROOM TABLE ON MY DAD AND ME.
06:21:11.014 AS I TOLD YOU HER TRADEMARK
06:21:14.918 LINE WAS USE YOUR COMMON SENSE,
06:21:21.525 WHAT RINGS TRUE?
06:21:21.925 WHAT RINGS FALSE?
06:21:22.926 HER TRADEMARK LINE IS A GOOD
06:21:25.429 REMINDER AS WE SIT HERE TODAY,
06:21:27.631 SOME 36 YEARS AFTER THE ALLEGED
06:21:31.835 EVENT HAPPENED, WHEN THERE IS
06:21:34.037 NO EVIDENCE AND IT IS REFUTED
06:21:36.940 BY THE PEOPLE ALLEGEDLY THERE.
06:21:38.041 AFTER I HAVE BEEN IN THE PUBLIC
06:21:41.478 ARENA FOR 26 YEARS WITHOUT EVEN
06:21:44.948 A HINT, A WHIFF OF ANY
06:21:47.718 ALLEGATION LIKE THIS, AND WHEN
06:21:48.619 MY NOMINATION TO THE SUPREME
06:21:49.820 COURT WAS JUST ABOUT TO BE
06:21:51.555 VOTED ON AT A TIME WHEN I'M
06:21:54.558 CALLED EVIL BY A DEMOCRATIC
06:21:57.961 MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE, WHILE
06:21:59.963 DEMOCRATIC OPPONENTS SAY PEOPLE
06:22:01.698 WILL DIE IF I'M CONFIRMED.
06:22:07.137 THIS ONSLAUGHT OF LAST MINUTE
06:22:10.140 ALLEGATIONS DOES NOT RING TRUE.
06:22:13.510 I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT DR.
06:22:14.912 FORD MAY HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY
06:22:17.581 ASSAULTED BY SOME PERSON IN
06:22:21.051 SOMEPLACE AT SOME TIME.
06:22:23.420 I HAVE NEVER DONE THIS TO HER
06:22:26.924 OR TO ANYONE.
06:22:28.091 THAT'S NOT WHO I AM.
06:22:30.126 IT IS NOT WHO I WAS.
06:22:34.464 I AM INNOCENT OF THIS CHARGE.
06:22:36.699 I INTEND NO ILL WILL TO DR.
06:22:39.769 FORD AND HER FAMILY.
06:22:41.171 THE OTHER NIGHT ASHLEY AND MY
06:22:44.741 DAUGHTER SAID THEIR PRAYERS AND
06:22:51.014 LIZA, ALL TEN YEARS OLD, SAID
06:22:54.918 TO ASHLEY WE SHOULD PRAY FOR
06:22:59.489 THE WOMAN -- THAT'S A LOT OF
06:23:05.629 WISDOM FROM A 10-YEAR-OLD.
06:23:11.034 WE MEAN NO ILL WILL --
06:23:22.546 FIRST, LET'S START WITH MY
06:23:25.148 CAREER.
06:23:26.183 FOR THE LAST 26 YEARS SINCE
06:23:28.552 1992, I HAVE SERVED IN MANY
06:23:31.588 HIGH PROFILE AND SENSITIVE
06:23:33.790 GOVERNMENT POSITIONS FOR WHICH
06:23:35.759 THE FBI HAS INVESTIGATED MY
06:23:40.163 BACKGROUND SIX SEPARATE TIMES.
06:23:41.598 SIX SEPARATE TIME FBI
06:23:44.267 BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS OVER
06:23:46.837 26 YEARS.
06:23:47.104 ALL OF THEM AFTER THE EVENT
06:23:49.039 ALLEGED HERE.
06:23:49.372 I HAVE BEEN IN THE PUBLIC ARENA
06:23:53.443 AND UNDER EXTREME PUBLIC
06:23:56.146 SCRUTINQ FOR DECADES.
06:23:56.679 IN 1992 I WORKED FOR THE OFFICE
06:23:58.849 OF SOLICITOR GENERAL IN THE
06:24:03.153 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
06:24:03.653 IN 1993 I CLERKED ON THE
06:24:07.023 SUPREME COURT FOR JUSTICE
06:24:08.692 ANTHONY KENNEDY.
06:24:09.092 I SPENT FOUR YEARS OF THE
06:24:14.264 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL'S OFFICE IN
06:24:15.699 THE 90s.
06:24:16.400 IT WAS THE SUBJECT OF HUGE
06:24:21.471 SCRUTINY FROM THE MEDIA AND THE
06:24:24.774 PUBLIC.
06:24:25.007 OUR OFFICE DURING THE CLINTON
06:24:25.942 IMPEACH HELICOPTER, AND I
06:24:27.344 PERSONALLY WERE IN THE MIDDLE
06:24:29.513 OF AN INTENSE NATIONAL MEDIA
06:24:32.549 SPOTLIGHT.
06:24:32.849 I AND OTHER LEADING MEMBERS OF
06:24:35.051 KEN STARR'S OFFICE WERE
06:24:37.754 OPPOSITION RESEARCHED FROM HEAD
06:24:39.489 TO TOE, FROM BIRTH THROUGH THE
06:24:43.593 PRESENT DAY.
06:24:43.926 RECALL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE
06:24:45.796 EXPOSED THAT YEAR OF 1998 IN
06:24:51.935 SEXUAL WRONGDOING IN THEIR
06:24:52.702 PAST.
06:24:52.902 ONE PERSON ON THE LEFT EVEN
06:24:54.271 PAID A MILLION DOLLARS FOR
06:24:56.373 PEOPLE TO REPORT EVIDENCE OF
06:24:58.675 SEXUAL WRONGDOING AND IT
06:25:01.678 WORKED.
06:25:02.846 HE EXPOSED SOME PROMINENT
06:25:06.650 PEOPLE.
06:25:06.883 NOTHING ABOUT ME.
06:25:07.284 FROM 2001 TO 2006 I WORKED FOR
06:25:09.686 PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH IN THE
06:25:14.091 WHITE HOUSE AS STAFF SECRETARY
06:25:16.526 I WAS BY HIS SIDE FOR THREE
06:25:18.495 YEARS AND WAS ENTRUSTED WITH
06:25:21.131 THE NATION'S MOST SENSITIVE
06:25:22.399 SECRETS.
06:25:22.666 I TRAVELED ON AIR FORCE ONE ALL
06:25:24.734 OVER THE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD
06:25:28.171 WITH PRESIDENT BUSH.
06:25:28.638 I WENT EVERYWHERE WITH HIM FROM
06:25:31.675 TEXAS TO PAKISTAN, FROM ALASKA
06:25:34.177 TO AUSTRALIA, FROM BUCKINGHAM
06:25:36.580 PALACE TO THE VATICAN.
06:25:38.481 THREE YEARS IN THE WEST WING,
06:25:40.283 FIVE AND A HALF IN THE WHITE
06:25:42.485 HOUSE.
06:25:42.718 I WAS THEN NOMINATED TO BE A
06:25:45.722 JUDGE ON THE DC CIRCUIT.
06:25:46.989 I WAS VETTED BY THE WHITE
06:25:49.426 HOUSE, THE FBI, THE AMERICAN
06:25:52.295 BAR ASSOCIATION AND THIS
06:25:54.130 COMMITTEE.
06:25:54.498 I SAT BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE FOR
06:25:58.535 TWO CONFIRMATION HEARINGS IN
06:26:01.972 2004 AND 2006.
06:26:02.372 FOR THE PAST 12 YEARS LEADING
06:26:04.875 UP TO MY NOMINATION FOR THIS
06:26:06.109 JOB I HAVE SERVED IN A VERY
06:26:09.579 PUBLIC ARENA AS A FEDERAL JUDGE
06:26:11.515 ON WHAT IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS
06:26:13.817 THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT COURT
06:26:16.086 IN THE COUNTRY.
06:26:16.752 I HAVE HANDLED SOME OF THE MOST
06:26:19.923 SIGNIFICANT AND SENSITIVE CASES
06:26:20.924 AFFECTING THE LIVES AND
06:26:23.026 LIBERTIES OF THE AMERICAN
06:26:24.628 PEOPLE.
06:26:25.829 I HAVE BEEN A GOOD JUDGE.
06:26:28.965 FOR THIS NOMINATION ANOTHER FBI
06:26:33.903 BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION.
06:26:34.504 ANOTHER AMERICAN BAR
06:26:37.374 ASSOCIATION INVESTIGATION.
06:26:37.941 31 HOURS OF HEARINGS.
06:26:41.611 65 SENATOR MEETINGS.
06:26:42.078 1200 WRITTEN QUESTIONS.
06:26:42.779 MORE THAN ALL PREVIOUS SUPREME
06:26:48.485 COURT NOMINEES COMBINED.
06:26:49.351 THROUGHOUT THAT ENTIRE TIME,
06:26:50.920 THROUGHOUT MY 53 YEARS AND
06:26:53.223 SEVEN MONTHS ON THIS EARTH
06:26:54.524 UNTIL LAST WEEK NOBODY EVER
06:26:56.026 ACCUSED ME OF ANY KIND OF
06:27:03.033 SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
06:27:03.466 NOBODY.
06:27:03.700 EVER.
06:27:03.900 A LIFETIME, A LIFETIME OF
06:27:05.535 PUBLIC SERVICE AND A LIFETIME
06:27:07.804 OF HIGH PROFILE PUBLIC SERVICE
06:27:10.240 AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF
06:27:12.809 AMERICAN GOVERNMENT.
06:27:13.276 NEVER A HINT OF ANYTHING OF
06:27:16.413 THIS KIND.
06:27:16.813 THAT'S BECAUSE NOTHING OF THIS
06:27:25.989 KIND EVER HAPPENED.
06:27:29.024 SECOND, LET'S TURN TO
06:27:32.662 SPECIFICS.
06:27:32.962 I DENY THE ALLEGATION AGAINST
06:27:34.931 ME BY DR. FORD.
06:27:36.366 I NEVER HAD ANY SEXUAL OR
06:27:38.034 PHYSICAL ENCOUNTER OF ANY KIND
06:27:40.603 WITH DR. FORD.
06:27:41.504 I NEVER ATTENDED A GATHERING
06:27:43.606 LIKE THE ONE DR. FORD DESCRIBED
06:27:47.811 IN HER ALLEGATIONS.
06:27:49.946 I NEVER SEXUALLY ASSAULTED DR.
06:27:53.216 FORD OR ANYONE.
06:27:54.150 AGAIN, I AM NOT QUESTIONING
06:27:55.986 THAT DR. FORD MAY HAVE BEEN
06:27:59.456 ASSAULTED BY SOME PERSON IN
06:28:03.026 SOMEPLACE AT SOME TIME.
06:28:03.559 I HAVE NEVER DONE THAT TO HER
06:28:09.733 OR TO ANYONE.
06:28:10.199 DR. FORD'S ALLEGATIONS STEMS
06:28:11.067 FROM A PARTY THAT SHE ALLEGES
06:28:14.904 HAPPENED DURING THE SUMMER OF
06:28:18.908 1982.
06:28:19.109 36 YEARS AGO.
06:28:21.311 I WAS 17 YEARS OLD.
06:28:22.712 BETWEEN MY JUNIOR AND SENIOR
06:28:24.347 YEARS OF HIGH SCHOOL AT
06:28:29.319 GEORGETOWN PREP.
06:28:29.719 A ALL BOYS CATHOLIC JESUIST
06:28:31.521 HIGH SCHOOL IN ROCKVILLE
06:28:35.158 MARYLAND.
06:28:35.425 WHEN MY FRIENDS AND I SPENT
06:28:37.060 TIME TOGETHER AT PARTIES ON
06:28:38.561 WEEKENDS IT WAS USUALLY WITH
06:28:41.464 FRIENDS FROM NEARBY CATHOLIC,
06:28:42.932 ALL GIRL HIGH SCHOOLS, STONE
06:28:48.338 RIDGE, HOLY CHILD, VISITATION,
06:28:50.173 HOLY CROSS.
06:28:50.473 DR. FORD DID NOT ATTEND ANY OF
06:28:54.411 THOSE SCHOOLS.
06:28:55.411 SHE ATTENDED AN INDEPENDENT
06:28:57.447 PRIVATE SCHOOL NAMED HOLTON
06:28:58.147 ARMS AND SHE WAS A YEAR BEHIND
06:29:00.383 ME.
06:29:00.549 SHE AND I DID NOT TRAVEL IN THE
06:29:03.119 SAME SOCIAL CIRCLES.
06:29:03.619 IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE MET AT
06:29:06.656 SOME POINT AT SOME EVENTS
06:29:08.692 THOUGH I DO NOT RECALL THAT.
06:29:12.294 TO REPEAT, ALL OF THE PEOPLE
06:29:14.164 IDENTIFIED BY DR. FORD AS BEING
06:29:15.865 PRESENT AT THE PARTY HAVE SAID
06:29:18.268 THEY DO NOT REMEMBER ANY SUCH
06:29:23.239 PARTY EVER HAPPENING.
06:29:24.941 IMPORTANTLY HER FRIEND MISS
06:29:25.642 KAISER HAS DENIED KNOWLEDGE OF
06:29:28.144 THE PARTY, SHE HAS SAID UNDER
06:29:30.213 PENALTY OF FELONY THAT SHE DOES
06:29:33.049 NOT KNOW ME, DOES NOT RECALL
06:29:34.951 EVER BEING AT A PARTY WITH ME,
06:29:39.355 EVER.
06:29:39.656 MY TWO MALE FRIENDS WHO WERE
06:29:41.691 ALLEGEDLY THERE, WHO KNEW ME
06:29:43.259 WELL, HAVE TOLD THIS COMMITTEE
06:29:45.395 UNDER PENALTY OF FELONY THAT
06:29:46.863 THEY DO NOT RECALL ANY SUCH
06:29:49.365 PARTY AND THAT I NEVER DID OR
06:29:53.369 WOULD DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
06:29:55.338 DR. FORD'S ALLEGATION IS NOT
06:29:59.008 MERELY UNSUBASSISTANTED BUT IT
06:30:00.543 IS REFUTED BY THE VERY PEOPLE
06:30:02.445 SHE SAYS WERE THERE INCLUDING
06:30:03.546 BY A LONG TIME FRIEND OF HERS.
06:30:10.920 REFUTEED.
06:30:12.689 THIRD, DR. FORD HAS SAID THAT
06:30:14.491 THIS EVENT HAPPENED AT A HOUSE
06:30:16.359 NEAR COLUMBIA COUNTRY CLUB
06:30:17.394 WHICH IS AT THE CORNER OF
06:30:19.295 CONNECTICUT AVENUE AND EAST
06:30:21.598 WEST HIGHWAY IN CHEVY CHASE
06:30:24.701 MARYLAND.
06:30:25.068 IN HER LETTER TO SENATOR
06:30:26.236 FEINSTEIN SHE SAID THERE WERE
06:30:27.871 FOUR OTHER PEOPLE AT THE HOUSE.
06:30:30.573 NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, NOR I
06:30:33.476 LIVE NEAR COLUMBIA COUNTRY
06:30:35.011 CLUB.
06:30:35.645 AS OF THE SUMMER OF 1982 DR.
06:30:38.748 FORD WAS 15 AND COULD NOT DRIVE
06:30:41.284 YET.
06:30:41.618 SHE DID NOT LIVE NEAR COLUMBIA
06:30:45.822 COUNTRY CLUB.
06:30:46.155 SHE SAYS THAT SHE HAD ONE BEER
06:30:47.290 AT THE PARTY BUT SHE DOESN'T
06:30:48.724 SAY HOW SHE GOT TO THE HOUSE IN
06:30:52.695 QUESTION OR HOW SHE GOT HOME OR
06:30:59.669 WHO SE HOUSE IT WAS.
06:31:02.872 I HAVE SUBMITTED DETAILED
06:31:04.073 CALENDARS RECORDING MY
06:31:05.542 ACTIVITIES IN THE SUMMER OF
06:31:09.178 1982.
06:31:10.680 WHY DID I KEEP CALENDARS?
06:31:11.848 MY DAD STARTED TO KEEP DETAILED
06:31:14.918 CALENDARS OF HIS LIFE IN 1978.
06:31:27.797 HE DID SO AS BOTH A CALENDAR
06:31:33.803 AND A DIARY IS HE A VERY
06:31:35.271 ORGANIZED GUY TO PUT IT MILDLY.
06:31:50.853 CHRISTMAS TIME WE SIT AROUND
06:31:51.921 AND HE WOULD TELL US ABOUT OLD
06:31:57.527 STORIES.
06:31:57.794 OLD MILESTONES, OLD WEDDINGS,
06:31:59.429 OLD EVENTS FROM HIS CALENDARS.
06:32:13.176 IN 9TH GRADE -- IN 9TH GRADE IN
06:32:20.183 1980 I STARTED KEEPING
06:32:23.386 CALENDARS OF MY OWN.
06:32:24.053 FOR ME ALSO IT'S BOTH A
06:32:26.623 CALENDAR AND A DIARY.
06:32:28.124 I HAVE KEPT SUCH CALENDARS FOR
06:32:32.595 THE LAST 38 YEARS.
06:32:33.229 MINE ARE NOT AS GOOD AS MY
06:32:38.034 DAD'S IN SOME YEARS.
06:32:39.535 WHEN I WAS A KID THE CALENDARS
06:32:42.005 ARE ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT
06:32:44.674 FROM A KID.
06:32:46.309 SOME GOOFY PARTS, SOME
06:32:48.678 EMBARRASSING PARTS.
06:32:49.111 I DID HAVE THE SUMMER OF 1982
06:32:55.385 DOCUMENTED PRETTY WELL.
06:32:57.687 THE EVENT DESCRIBED BY DR. FORD
06:32:58.821 SUPPOSEDLY HAPPENED ON A
06:33:01.024 WEEKEND BECAUSE I BELIEVE
06:33:01.924 EVERYBODY WORKED AND HAD JOBS
06:33:04.827 IN THE SUMERNS.
06:33:06.161 IN ANY EVENT A DRUNK, EARLY
06:33:07.330 EVENING EVENT OF THE KIND SHE
06:33:11.134 DESCRIBES SUPPOSEDLY HAPPENED
06:33:13.803 ON A WEEKEND.
06:33:14.636 IF IT WAS A WEEKEND, MY
06:33:16.606 CALENDAR SHOWS THAT I WAS OUT
06:33:19.008 OF TOWN ALMOST EVERY WEEKEND
06:33:21.277 NIGHT BEFORE FOOTBALL TRAINING
06:33:24.280 CAMP STARTED IN LATE AUGUST.
06:33:25.915 THE ONLY WEEKEND NIGHTS THAT I
06:33:28.785 WAS IN DC WERE FRIDAY JUNE 4TH
06:33:31.187 WHEN I WAS WITH MY DAD AT A
06:33:41.130 PROGOLF TOURNAMENT AND HAD MY
06:33:43.199 HIGH SCHOOL ACHIEVEMENT TEST AT
06:33:49.405 8:30 THE NEXT MORNING.
06:33:50.939 I ALSO WAS IN DC ON SATURDAY
06:33:53.576 NIGHT AUGUST 7TH, BUT I WAS AT
06:33:56.112 A SMALL GATHERING AT BECKY'S
06:33:57.680 HOUSE IN ROCKVILLE WITH MATT,
06:34:03.019 DENISE, LO RI AND JENNIE.
06:34:06.155 THEIR NAMES ARE ALL LISTED ON
06:34:07.623 MY CALENDAR.
06:34:07.956 I WON'T USE THEIR LAST NAMES
06:34:09.826 HERE.
06:34:10.526 THEN ON THE WEEKEND OF AUGUST
06:34:13.529 20 TO 22ND I WAS STAYING AT THE
06:34:17.133 GARRET'S WITH PAT AND CHRIS AS
06:34:21.003 WE PREPARED FOR FOOTBALL
06:34:24.707 TRAINING CAMP.
06:34:25.508 AS THE CALENDARS CONFIRM THAT
06:34:27.710 WEEKEND BEFORE A BRUTAL
06:34:28.611 FOOTBALL TRAINING CAMP SCHEDULE
06:34:30.913 WAS NO TIME FOR PARTIES.
06:34:34.717 LET ME SAY THIS POINT.
06:34:36.619 IF THE PARTY DESCRIBED BY DR.
06:34:38.754 FORD HAPPENED IN THE SUMMER OF
06:34:41.657 1982 ON A WEEKEND NIGHT MY
06:34:45.528 CALENDAR SHOWS THAT I WAS NOT
06:34:50.566 THERE.
06:34:50.833 DURING THE WEEKDAYS IN THE
06:34:53.569 SUMMER OF 1982 AS YOU CAN SEE I
06:34:55.304 WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR TWO WEEKS
06:34:57.640 OF THE SUMMER FOR A TRIP TO THE
06:35:00.509 BEACH WITH FRIENDS AND AT THE
06:35:03.212 ALLEGEDLY FIVE STAR BASKETBALL
06:35:09.452 CAMP IN PENNSYLVANIA.
06:35:13.155 WHEN I WAS IN TOWN I SPENT MUCH
06:35:16.959 OF MY TIME WORKING, WORKING
06:35:20.429 OUT, LIFTING WEIGHTS, PLAYING
06:35:22.965 BASKETBALL, OR HANGING OUT AND
06:35:24.233 HAVING BEERS WITH FRIENDS AS WE
06:35:27.804 TALKED ABOUT LIFE AND FOOTBALL
06:35:31.140 AND SCHOOL AND GIRLS.
06:35:32.341 SOME HAVE NOTICED THAT I DIDN'T
06:35:34.210 HAVE CHURCH ON SUNDAYS ON MY
06:35:37.713 CALENDARS.
06:35:38.013 I ALSO DIDN'T LIST BRUSHING MY
06:35:39.515 TEETH AND FOR ME GOING TO
06:35:42.952 CHURCH ON SUNDAYS WAS LIKE
06:35:48.457 BRUSHING MY TEETH, AUTOMATIC.
06:35:50.259 STILL IS.
06:35:50.526 IN THE SUMMER OF 1981 I WORKED
06:35:53.563 CONSTRUCTION.
06:35:53.896 IN THE SUMMER OF 1982 MY JOB
06:35:57.066 WAS CUTTING LAWNS.
06:35:57.633 I HAD MY OWN BUSINESS OF SORTS.
06:36:00.703 YOU SEE SOME SPECIFICS ABOUT
06:36:02.839 THE LAWN CUTTING LISTED ON THE
06:36:04.540 AUGUST CALENDAR PAGE WHEN I HAD
06:36:05.942 TO TIME THE LAST LAWN CUTTINGS
06:36:08.611 OF THE SUMMER OF VARIOUS LAWNS
06:36:11.614 BEFORE FOOTBALL TRAINING CAMP.
06:36:12.281 I PLAYED IN A LOT OF SUMMER
06:36:15.151 LEAGUE BASKETBALL GAMES FOR THE
06:36:17.720 GEORGETOWN PREP TEAM AT NIGHT,
06:36:19.355 AT BLAIR HIGH SCHOOL IN SILVER
06:36:22.658 SPRING.
06:36:22.891 MANY NIGHTS I WORKED OUT WITH
06:36:29.298 OTHER GUYS AT TOB IN'S HOUSE.
06:36:36.972 HE WAS THE GREAT QUARTERBACK ON
06:36:39.108 OUR FOOTBALL TEAM.
06:36:44.647 HIS DAD RAN WORKOUTS OR LIFTED
06:36:47.450 WEIGHTS AT GEORGETOWN PREP IN
06:36:49.552 PREPARATION FOR THE FOOTBALL
06:36:51.153 SEASON.
06:36:51.754 I ATTENDED AND WATCHED MANY
06:36:53.055 SPORTING EVENTS AS IS MY HABIT
06:36:57.894 TO THIS DAY.
06:36:58.928 THE CALENDARS SHOW A FEW
06:37:02.865 WEEKDAY GATHERING AT FRIEND'S
06:37:04.366 HOUSES AFTER A WORK BUT NONE OF
06:37:06.602 THOSE INCLUDED THE GROUP OF
06:37:07.737 PEOPLE THAT DR. FORD HAS
06:37:11.574 IDENTIFIED.
06:37:11.874 AS MY CALENDARS SHOW I WAS VERY
06:37:16.245 PRECISE ABOUT LISTING WHO WAS
06:37:18.848 THERE.
06:37:19.081 VERY PRECISE.
06:37:20.115 MY CALENDARS ALSO WERE DIARIES
06:37:22.551 OF SORTS, FORWARD LOOKING AND
06:37:23.652 BACKWARD LOOKING JUST LIKE MY
06:37:25.054 DADS.
06:37:25.254 YOU CAN SEE FOR EXAMPLE THAT I
06:37:28.157 CROSSED OUT MISSED WORKOUTS AND
06:37:30.993 THE CANCELED DOCTOR'S
06:37:32.495 APPOINTMENTS AND THAT I LISTED
06:37:34.397 THE PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP FOR
06:37:38.901 CERTAIN EVENTS.
06:37:39.268 THE CALENDARS ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT
06:37:42.672 D ESPOSITIVE ON THEIR OWN WITH
06:37:43.739 YOU THEY ARE ANOTHER PIECE OF
06:37:44.840 EVIDENCE IN THE MIX FOR YOU TO
06:37:51.013 CONSIDER.
06:38:03.058 5TH, DR. FORD'S ALLEGATION IS
06:38:08.163 RADICALLY INCONSISTENT WITH MY
06:38:15.571 CHARACTER AND RECORD.
06:38:16.472 MANY OF US WERE FRIENDS AT MY
06:38:17.940 SCHOOL AND REMAINED FRIENDS TO
06:38:20.543 THIS DAY WITH STUDENTS AT LOCAL
06:38:24.046 CATHOLIC ALL GIRLS SCHOOLS.
06:38:25.648 ONE FEATURE OF MY LIFE THAT HAS
06:38:27.350 REMAINED TRUE TO THE PRESENT
06:38:28.451 DAY IS THAT I HAVE ALWAYS HAD A
06:38:32.054 LOT OF CLOSE FEMALE FRIENDS.
06:38:35.024 I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT
06:38:36.692 GIRLFRIENDS.
06:38:37.693 I'M TALKING ABOUT FRIENDS WHO
06:38:41.564 ARE WOMEN.
06:38:45.534 THAT STARTED IN HIGH SCHOOL.
06:38:46.835 MAYBE IT WAS BECAUSE I'M AN
06:38:48.671 ONLY CHILD AND HAD NO SISTERS
06:38:50.272 BUT ANY WAY WE HAD NO SOCIAL
06:38:51.874 MEDIA OR TEXTS OR E-MAIL AND WE
06:38:55.011 TALKED ON THE PHONE.
06:38:56.011 I REMEMBER TALKING ALMOST EVERY
06:38:57.246 NIGHT IT SEEMED TO MY FRIENDS
06:39:04.820 AMY OR JULIE OR KRISTIN OR
06:39:12.595 KAREN OR SUZANNE OR NIKI.
06:39:13.996 THE LIST GOES ON.
06:39:15.764 FRIEND FORS A LIFETIME.
06:39:16.565 BOIL ON A FOUNDATION OF TALKING
06:39:19.802 THROUGH SCHOOL AND LIFE
06:39:23.372 STARTING AT AGE 14.
06:39:24.639 SEVERAL OF THOSE GREAT WOMEN
06:39:25.775 ARE IN THE SEATS BEHIND ME
06:39:31.180 TODAY.
06:39:31.413 MY FRIENDS AND I SOMETIMES GOT
06:39:34.083 TOGETHER AND HAD PARTIES ON
06:39:35.817 WEEKENDS.
06:39:36.084 THE DRINKING AGE WAS 18 IN
06:39:38.120 MARYLAND FOR MOST OF MY TIME IN
06:39:39.754 HIGH SCHOOL AND WAS 18 IN DC
06:39:41.924 FOR ALL OF MY TIME.
06:39:43.092 I DRANK BEER WITH MY FRIENDS.
06:39:47.062 ALMOST EVERYBODY DID.
06:39:47.563 SOMETIMES I HAD TOO MANY BEERS.
06:39:52.702 SOMETIMES OTHERS DID.
06:39:54.870 I LIKED BEER.
06:39:55.571 I STILL LIKE BEER.
06:39:56.272 I DID NOT DRINK BEER TO THE
06:39:59.408 POINT OF BLACKING OUT.
06:40:04.980 I NEVER SEXUALLY ASSAULTED
06:40:09.985 ANYONE.
06:40:11.020 THERE IS A LINE BETWEEN
06:40:13.655 DRINKING BEER AND ASSAULTING
06:40:14.824 SOMEONE WHICH IS A VIOLENT
06:40:17.126 CRIME.
06:40:17.426 IF EVERY AMERICAN WHO DRINKS
06:40:19.729 BEER OR EVERY AMERICAN WHO
06:40:21.330 DRANK BEER IN HIGH SCHOOL IS
06:40:25.000 SUDDENLY PRESUMED GUILTY OF
06:40:26.202 SEXUAL ASSAULT WE WILL BE IN AN
06:40:28.671 UGLY NEW PLACE IN THIS COUNTRY.
06:40:34.477 I NEVER COMMITTED SEXUAL
06:40:36.679 ASSAULT.
06:40:36.946 AS HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WE
06:40:38.914 SOMETIMES DID GOOFY OR STUPID
06:40:40.182 THINGS.
06:40:40.415 I DOUBT WE WERE ALONE IN
06:40:42.284 LOOKING BACK AT HIGH SCHOOL AND
06:40:45.988 DRINKING AT SOME THINGS.
06:40:46.555 FOR ONE THING OUR YEAR BOOK WAS
06:40:50.526 A DISASTER.
06:40:50.826 I THINK SOME EDITORS AND
06:40:52.828 STUDENTS WANTED THE YEAR BOOK
06:40:56.132 TO BE SOME COMBINATION OF
06:40:58.167 ANIMAL HOUSE, CADDY SHACK AND
06:41:04.006 FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH
06:41:07.009 WHICH WERE ALL RECENT MOVIES.
06:41:08.677 MANY OF US WENT TOA LOANING
06:41:09.979 WITH IT TO THE POINT OF
06:41:20.923 ABSURDITY.
06:41:21.223 THIS PAST WEEK --
06:41:28.030 WHEN WE READ ABOUT IT AND
06:41:38.908 TALKED TO EACH OTHER.
06:41:47.149 ONE THING IN PARTICULAR WE WERE
06:41:56.559 SAD ABOUT ONE OF OUR GOOD --
06:42:05.334 ONE OF OUR GOOD FEMALE FRIENDS
06:42:06.535 WHO WE WOULD ADMIRE AND WENT TO
06:42:09.405 DANCES WITH HAD HER NAME USED
06:42:10.706 ON A YEAR BOOK PAGE WITH THE
06:42:16.412 TERM ALUMNUS.
06:42:16.779 IT WAS INTENDED TO SHOW
06:42:17.813 AFFECTION AND THAT SHE WAS ONE
06:42:19.715 OF US.
06:42:22.284 IN THIS CIRCUS THE MEDIA HAS
06:42:24.720 DECIDED THE TERM WAS RELATED TO
06:42:26.255 SEX.
06:42:26.455 IT WAS NOT RELATED TO SEX.
06:42:28.290 THE WOMAN HERSELF NOTED ON THE
06:42:29.458 RECORD IN THE MEDIA SHE AND I
06:42:32.361 NEVER HAD ANY SEXUAL
06:42:35.931 INTERACTION AT ALL.
06:42:36.364 SO SORRY TO HER FOR THAT YEAR
06:42:42.904 BOOK REFERENCE.
06:42:48.643 THIS MAY SOUND A BIT TRIVIAL
06:42:52.715 GIVING ALL THAT WE ARE HERE FOR
06:42:57.219 BUT ONE THING I WANT TO TRY TO
06:42:58.420 MAKE SURE OF IN THE FUTURE IS
06:43:02.091 MY FRIENDSHIP WITH HER.
06:43:03.025 SHE WAS AND IS A GREAT PERSON.
06:43:08.697 AS TO SEX, THIS IS NOT A TOPIC
06:43:11.734 I IMAGINED WOULD COME UP IN A
06:43:13.769 CONFIRMATION HEARING BUT I WANT
06:43:14.736 TO GIVE YOU A FULL PICTURE OF
06:43:18.340 WHO I WAS.
06:43:20.109 I NEVER HAD SEXUAL INTERCOURSE
06:43:21.944 OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO IT DURING
06:43:23.245 HIGH SCHOOL OR FOR MANY YEARS
06:43:28.617 AFTER THAT.
06:43:29.151 SOME CROWDS I WAS A LITTLE SHY
06:43:32.354 ABOUT MY LACK OF EXPERIENCE.
06:43:33.388 I TRIED TO HIDE THAT.
06:43:34.356 THE SAME TIME I WAS ALSO
06:43:38.160 INWARDLY PROUD OF IT.
06:43:38.927 FOR ME AND THE GIRLS WHO I WAS
06:43:43.032 FRIENDS WITH, THAT LACK OF
06:43:47.869 MAJOR SEXUAL ACTIVITY WAS A
06:43:50.906 MATTER OF FAITH AND RESPECT AND
06:43:53.442 CAUTION.
06:43:54.443 THE COMMITTEE HAS A LETTER FROM
06:43:56.145 65 WOMEN WHO KNEW ME IN HIGH
06:44:02.918 SCHOOL.
06:44:09.992 THEY SAID THAT I ALWAYS TREATED
06:44:13.862 THEM WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT.
06:44:15.730 THAT LETTER CAME TOGETHER IN
06:44:18.934 ONE NIGHT, 35 YEARS AFTER
06:44:21.537 GRADUATION WHILE A SEXUAL
06:44:23.839 ASSAULT ALLEGATION WAS PENDING
06:44:25.307 AGAINST ME IN A VERY FRAUGHT
06:44:30.446 AND PUBLIC SITUATION WHERE THEY
06:44:31.747 KNEW -- THEY KNEW THEY WOULD BE
06:44:38.354 VILIFIED IF THEY DEFENDED ME.
06:44:43.725 THINK ABOUT THAT.
06:44:44.360 THEY PUT THEIRS ON THE LINE FOR
06:44:49.998 ME.
06:44:51.033 THOSE ARE SOME GREAT WOMEN.
06:44:55.270 I LOVE ALL OF THEM.
06:44:56.839 YOU ALSO HAVE A LETTER FROM
06:44:59.007 WOMEN WHO KNEW ME IN COLLEGE.
06:45:04.179 MOST WERE VARSITY ATHLETES.
06:45:05.013 THEY DESCRIBED THAT I TREATED
06:45:06.949 THEM AS FRIENDS AND EQUALS AND
06:45:10.152 SUPPORTED THEM IN THEIR SPORTS
06:45:12.054 AT A TIME WHEN WOMEN'S SPORTS
06:45:13.088 WAS COMING OUT IN THE WAKE OF
06:45:16.191 TITLE 9. I THANK ALL OF THEM
06:45:18.861 FOR ALL THEIR TEXTS, AND THEIR
06:45:24.199 E-MAILS AND THEIR SUPPORT.
06:45:25.767 ONE OF THOSE WOMEN FRIENDS FROM
06:45:28.003 COLLEGE, A SELFDESCRIBED
06:45:30.739 LIBERAL AND FEMINIST TEXTED ME
06:45:34.043 LAST NIGHT THAT SAID, QUOTE,
06:45:36.879 DEEP BREATHS, YOU ARE A GOOD
06:45:42.918 MAN.
06:45:48.623 A TEXT YET FROM ANOTHER OF
06:45:51.193 THOSE FRIENDS SAID, QUOTE,
06:45:53.495 BRETT, BE STRONG, PULLING FOR
06:46:00.402 YOU TO MY CORE.
06:46:00.903 A THIRD TEXT YESTERDAY FROM YET
06:46:02.438 ANOTHER OF THOSE WOMEN I'M
06:46:05.808 FRIENDS WITH FROM COLLEGE, SAID
06:46:07.009 I'M HOLDING YOU IN THE LIGHT OF
06:46:15.984 GOD.
06:46:16.285 AS I SAID IN MY OPENING
06:46:17.553 STATEMENT THE LAST TIME I WAS
06:46:19.888 WITH YOU, CHERISH YOUR FRIENDS,
06:46:21.490 LOOK OUT FOR YOUR FRIENDS, LIFT
06:46:24.326 UP YOUR FRIENDS, LOVE YOUR
06:46:27.296 FRIENDS.
06:46:27.563 I FELT THAT LOVE MOREOVER THE
06:46:28.797 LAST TWO WEEKS THAN I EVER HAVE
06:46:30.265 IN MY LIFE.
06:46:48.584 I WILL PUT MY RECORD UP AGAINST
06:46:52.488 ANYONE'S, MALE OR FEMALE.
06:46:53.622 I AM PROUD OF THE LETTER FROM
06:46:56.224 84 WOMEN, 84 WOMEN WHO WORKED
06:47:00.028 WITH ME AT THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE
06:47:02.130 FROM 2001 TO 2006 AND DESCRIBED
06:47:03.832 ME AS QUOTE, A MAN OF THE
06:47:09.705 HIGHEST INTEGRITY.
06:47:10.906 READ THE OPED FROM SARAH DAY
06:47:14.776 FROM MAINE.
06:47:16.211 SHE WORKED IN THE OVAL OFFICE
06:47:19.014 OPERATIONS OUTSIDE OF PRESIDENT
06:47:20.916 BUSH'S OFFICE.
06:47:21.349 HERE IS WHAT SHE WROTE IN
06:47:25.020 CENTRAL MAINE.COM.
06:47:25.587 THE TODAY SHE STANDS BY HER
06:47:33.362 COMMENTS.
06:47:33.629 QUOTE, BRETT ENCOURAGED ME TO
06:47:35.130 TAKE ON MORE RESPONSIBILITY AND
06:47:37.032 TO FEEL CONFIDENT IN MY ROLE.
06:47:39.935 IN FACT DURING THE 2004
06:47:42.004 REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION
06:47:42.804 BRETT GAVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY
06:47:44.306 TO HELP WITH THE PREPARATION
06:47:46.308 AND REVIEW OF THE PRESIDENT'S
06:47:52.414 REMARKS, SOMETHING I NEVER --
06:47:53.315 SOMETHING I NEVER WOULD HAVE
06:47:54.216 HAD THE CHANCE TO DO IF HE HAD
06:47:58.520 NOT INCLUDED ME.
06:47:59.021 HE DIDN'T JUST INCLUDE ME IN
06:48:02.024 THE WORK.
06:48:02.291 HE MADE SURE I WAS AT MADISON
06:48:04.292 SQUARE GARDEN TO WATCH THE
06:48:06.127 PRESIDENT'S SPEECH INSTEAD OF
06:48:07.930 BACK AT THE HOTEL WATCHING IT
06:48:14.970 ON TV.
06:48:15.770 END QUOTE.
06:48:16.071 AS A JUDGE SINCE 2006, I HAVE
06:48:18.407 HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF HIRING
06:48:20.442 FOUR RECENT LAW SCHOOL
06:48:21.610 GRADUATES TO SERVE AS MY LAW
06:48:25.714 CLERKS EACH YEAR.
06:48:26.515 THE LAW CLERKS FOR FEDERAL
06:48:28.317 JUDGES THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST
06:48:30.319 GRADUATES OF AMERICAN LAW
06:48:32.020 SCHOOLS.
06:48:32.521 THEY WORKED FOR ONE YEAR TERMS
06:48:36.191 FOR JUDGES AND THEN THEY MOVE
06:48:39.861 ON IN THEIR CAREERS.
06:48:41.028 FOR JUDGES TRAINING THESE YOUNG
06:48:44.466 LAWYERS IS AN IMPORTANT
06:48:46.168 RESPONSIBILITY.
06:48:46.535 THE CLERKS WILL BECOME THE NEXT
06:48:48.537 GENERATION OF AMERICAN LAWYERS
06:48:52.207 AND LEADERS, JUDGES AND
06:48:54.910 SENATORS.
06:48:55.177 JUST AFTER I TOOK THE BENCH IN
06:48:58.213 2006 THERE WAS A MAJOR NEW YORK
06:49:00.849 TIMES STORY ABOUT THE LOW
06:49:02.017 NUMBERS OF WOMEN LAW CLERKS AT
06:49:05.220 THE SUPREME COURT AND FEDERAL
06:49:08.190 APPEALS COURTS.
06:49:09.291 I TOOK NOTICE AND I TOOK
06:49:14.262 ACTION.
06:49:14.495 A MAJORITY OF MY 48 LAW CLERKS
06:49:18.266 HAVE BEEN WOMEN.
06:49:18.800 IN A LETTER TO THIS COMMITTEE
06:49:20.368 MY WOMEN LAW CLERKS SAID I WAS
06:49:24.339 ONE OF THE STRONGEST ADVOCATES
06:49:27.041 IN THE JUDICIARY FOR WOMEN
06:49:27.943 LAWYERS AND THEY WROTE THAT THE
06:49:29.945 LEGAL PROFESSION IS FAIRER AND
06:49:33.448 MORE EQUAL BECAUSE OF ME.
06:49:35.417 IN MY TIME ON THE BENCH NO
06:49:37.920 FEDERAL JUDGE, NOT A SINGLE ONE
06:49:40.856 IN THE COUNTRY HAS SENT MORE
06:49:42.391 WOMEN LAW CLERKS TO CLERK ON
06:49:46.261 THE SUPREME COURT THAN I HAVE.
06:49:53.101 BEFORE THIS ALLEGATION TWO
06:49:53.969 WEEKS AGO I WAS REQUIRED TO
06:49:57.439 START MAKING CERTAIN
06:49:58.040 PREPARATIONS FOR MY POSSIBLE
06:49:59.741 TRANSFER TO THE SUPREME COURT.
06:50:01.643 JUST IN CASE I WAS CONFIRMED.
06:50:05.046 AS PART OF THAT I HAD TO
06:50:09.851 POTENTIALLY HIRE A FIRST GROUP
06:50:10.752 OF FOUR LAW CLERKS WHO COULD BE
06:50:12.254 AVAILABLE TO CLERK AT THE
06:50:13.188 SUPREME COURT FOR ME ON A
06:50:17.793 MOMENT'S NOTICE.
06:50:18.893 I DID SO AND HIRED FOUR LAW
06:50:24.700 CLERKS.
06:50:25.467 ALL FOUR ARE WOMEN.
06:50:26.068 IF CONFIRMED I WILL BE THE
06:50:27.269 FIRST JUSTICE IN THE HISTORY OF
06:50:29.571 THE SUPREME COURT TO HAVE A
06:50:31.006 GROUP OF ALL WOMEN LAW CLERKS.
06:50:36.645 THAT IS WHO I AM.
06:50:40.615 THAT IS WHO I WAS.
06:50:43.051 OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS I HAVE
06:50:45.354 TAUGHT CONSTITUTIONAL LAW TO
06:50:47.789 HUNDREDS OF STUDENTS, MAINLY AT
06:50:49.791 HARVARD LAW SCHOOL WHILE I WAS
06:50:52.227 HIRED BY THEN DEAN AND NOW
06:50:56.798 JSTICE KAGAN.
06:50:57.131 ONE OF MY FORMER WOMEN
06:50:59.501 STUDENTS, A DEMOCRAT TESTIFIED
06:51:01.069 TO THIS COMMITTEE THAT I WAS AN
06:51:03.472 EVEN HANDED PROFESSOR WHO
06:51:06.642 TREATS PEOPLE FAIRLY AND WITH
06:51:07.642 RESPECT.
06:51:08.143 IN A LETTER TO THIS COMMITTEE
06:51:11.012 MY FORMER STUDENTS, MALE AND
06:51:12.948 FEMALE ALIKE WROTE THAT I
06:51:14.916 DISPLAYED A CHARACTER THAT
06:51:20.288 IMPRESSED US ALL.
06:51:20.989 I LOVED TEACHING LAW.
06:51:21.489 THANKS TO WHAT SOME OF YOU ON
06:51:22.691 THIS SIDE OF THE COMMITTEE HAVE
06:51:24.893 UNLEASHED I MAY NEVER BE ABLE
06:51:30.298 TO TEACH AGAIN.
06:51:31.900 FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS I HAVE
06:51:34.336 COACHED MY TWO DAUGHTERS
06:51:37.072 BASKETBALL TEAMS.
06:51:37.472 YOU SAW MANY OF THOSE GIRLS
06:51:38.673 WHEN THEY CAME TO MY HEARING
06:51:40.776 FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS.
06:51:42.577 YOU HAVE A LETTER FROM THE
06:51:45.881 PARENTS OF THE GIRLS I COACHED
06:51:48.984 THAT DESCRIBED MY DEDICATION,
06:51:51.953 COMMITMENT AND CHARACTER.
06:51:52.520 I COACHED BECAUSE I KNOW THAT A
06:51:54.723 GIRL'S CONFIDENCE ON THE
06:51:56.591 BASKETBALL COURT TRANSLATES
06:51:58.260 INTO CONFIDENCE IN OTHER
06:52:06.568 ASPECTS OF LIFE.
06:52:07.903 I LOVE COACHING MORE THAN
06:52:09.771 ANYTHING I HAVE EVER DONE IN MY
06:52:12.340 WHOLE LIFE.
06:52:12.674 THANKS TO WHAT SOME OF YOU ON
06:52:13.875 THIS SIDE OF THE COMMITTEE HAVE
06:52:15.977 UNLEASHED I MAY NEVER BE ABLE
06:52:22.784 TO COACH AGAIN.
06:52:23.351 I HAVE BEEN A JUDGE FOR 12
06:52:26.354 YEARS.
06:52:27.055 I HAVE A LONG RECORD OF SERVICE
06:52:30.926 TO AMERICA AND TO THE
06:52:35.897 CONSTITUTION.
06:52:36.230 I REVERE THE CONSTITUTION.
06:52:37.331 I AM DEEPLY GRATEFUL TO
06:52:39.801 PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR NOMINATING
06:52:41.403 ME.
06:52:41.570 HE WAS SO GRACIOUS TO MY FAMILY
06:52:43.371 AND ME ON THE JULY NIGHT THAT
06:52:47.008 HE ANNOUNCED MY NOMINATION AT
06:52:49.077 THE WHITE HOUSE.
06:52:49.811 I THANK HIM FOR HIS STEADFAST
06:52:55.484 SUPPORT.
06:52:55.750 WHEN I ACCEPTED THE PRESIDENT'S
06:52:56.651 NOMINATION ASHLEY AND I KNEW
06:52:59.020 THIS PROCESS WOULD BE
06:53:01.523 CHALLENGING.
06:53:01.856 WE NEVER EXPECTED THAT IT WOULD
06:53:06.728 DEVOLVE INTO THIS.
06:53:07.295 EXPLAINING THIS TO OUR
06:53:08.096 DAUGHTERS HAS BEEN ACT THE
06:53:09.931 WORST EXPERIENCE OF OUR LIVES.
06:53:15.169 ASHLEY HAS BEEN A ROCK.
06:53:18.173 I THANK GOD EVERY DAY FOR
06:53:27.082 ASHLEY AND MY FAMILY.
06:53:29.184 WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY DEVOTED TO
06:53:32.420 DUE PROCESS AND THE RULE OF
06:53:36.324 LAW.
06:53:39.027 THAT MEANS TAKING ALLEGATIONS
06:53:42.330 SERIOUSLY.
06:53:42.630 IF THE MERE ALLEGATION, THE
06:53:47.035 MERE ASSERTION OF A REFUTED
06:53:48.669 ALLEGATION FROM 36 YEARS AGO IS
06:53:52.240 ENOUGH TO DESTROY A PERSON'S
06:53:53.941 LIFE AND CAREER WE WILL HAVE
06:53:56.311 ABANDONED THE BASIC PRINCIPLES
06:53:58.213 OF FAIRNESS AND DUE PROCESS
06:54:01.316 THAT DEFINE OUR LEGAL SYSTEM IN
06:54:05.320 OUR COUNTRY.
06:54:05.787 I ASK YOU TO JUDGE ME BY THE
06:54:07.722 STANDARD THAT YOU WOULD WANT
06:54:12.561 APPLIED TO YOUR FATHER, YOUR
06:54:17.966 HUSBAND, YOUR BROTHER, OR YOUR
06:54:24.139 SON.
06:54:24.339 MY FAMILY AND I INTEND NO ILL
06:54:27.409 WILL TOWARD DR. FORD OR HER
06:54:32.614 FAMILY.
06:54:32.847 I SWEAR TODAY UNDER OATH BEFORE
06:54:35.917 THE SENATE AND THE NATION,
06:54:39.020 BEFORE MY FAMILY AND GOD, I AM
06:54:46.127 INNOCENT OF THIS CHARGE.
06:54:47.028 >> THANK YOU JUDGE KAVANAUGH.
06:54:52.333 BEFORE WE START QUESTIONS, I
06:54:53.335 WON'T REPEAT WHAT I SAID THIS
06:54:54.469 MORNING BUT WE WILL DO IT THE
06:54:58.006 SAME WAY AS WE DID FOR DR.
06:55:03.011 FORD.
06:55:03.211 FIVE MINUTE ROUNDS AND SO WE
06:55:10.352 WILL START WITH MISS MITCHELL.
06:55:16.424 WITH MS MITCHELL.
06:55:18.927 >>> GOOD AFTERNOON JUDGE
06:55:22.464 KAVANAUGH.
06:55:22.764 I WANT TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF
06:55:24.966 GUIDELINES FOR THE QUESTION AND
06:55:26.668 ANSWER SESSION TODAY.
06:55:31.006 IF I ASK A QUESTION --
06:55:32.741 >> I'M READY.
06:55:33.408 >> OKAY.
06:55:34.742 IF A ASK A QUESTION.
06:55:36.411 THANK YOU.
06:55:36.711 >> IF I ASK A QUESTION YOU DO
06:55:40.248 NOT UNDERSTAND PLEASE ASK ME
06:55:46.321 CLARIFY IT.
06:55:46.654 I MAY ASK A QUESTION WITH
06:55:48.757 INFORMATION YOU HAVE ALREADY
06:55:50.291 PROVIDED.
06:55:50.591 IDENTIFY GET IT WRONG PLEASE
06:55:51.760 CORRECT ME.
06:55:52.060 I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU TO
06:55:55.797 GUESS, IF YOU DO ESTIMATE
06:55:57.766 PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
06:55:58.366 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF
06:56:01.169 THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE
06:56:03.338 GOTTEN A COPY OF THE DEFINITION
06:56:06.941 OF SEXUAL BEHAVIOR.
06:56:07.642 >> YES.
06:56:08.343 AT LEAST I HAVE ONE.
06:56:09.811 >> AND YOU AS WELL?
06:56:12.280 JUDGE KAVANAUGH?
06:56:13.915 >> YEAH.
06:56:14.616 >> OKAY.
06:56:15.450 FIRST HAVE YOU BEEN GIVEN OR
06:56:17.218 REVIEWED A COPY OF THE
06:56:18.153 QUESTIONS THAT I WILL BE ASKING
06:56:20.889 YOU?
06:56:21.089 >> NO.
06:56:21.322 >> HAS ANYONE TOLD YOU THE
06:56:22.390 QUESTIONS I WILL ASK YOU?
06:56:26.126 >> NO.
06:56:26.427 >> I WANT YOU TO TAKE A MOMENT
06:56:28.996 TO REVIEW THE DEFINITION THAT'S
06:56:34.903 BEFORE YOU OF SEXUAL BEHAVIOR.
06:57:04.899 HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW
06:57:07.669 IT?
06:57:07.835 >> I HAVE.
06:57:08.203 I MAY REFER BACK TO IT IF I
06:57:09.838 CAN.
06:57:10.038 >> YES, PLEASE.
06:57:10.871 I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TWO
06:57:14.909 SPECIFIC PARTS.
06:57:16.010 AMONG THE EXAMPLES OF SEXUAL
06:57:17.745 BEHAVIOR IT INCLUDES RUBBING OR
06:57:20.448 GRINDING YOUR GENITALS AGAINST
06:57:23.051 SOMEONE, CLOTHED OR UNCLOTHED.
06:57:23.751 I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE
06:57:26.154 DEFINITION APPLIES WHETHER OR
06:57:27.589 NOT THE ACTS WERE SEXUALLY
06:57:31.025 MOTIVATED OR HORSE PLAY FOR
06:57:32.694 EXAMPLE.
06:57:32.961 DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE
06:57:33.461 DEFINITION I HAVE GIVEN YOU?
06:57:36.398 >> I DO.
06:57:36.864 >> AGAIN IF IT YOU NEED TO
06:57:40.301 REVIEW THAT PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
06:57:42.904 >> DR. FORD HAS STATED THAT
06:57:47.175 SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE OR SIX
06:57:49.277 PEOPLE WERE PRESENT AT THE
06:57:54.482 GATHERING ON THIS DATE.
06:57:57.452 YOU, MARK JUDGE, LELAND INGRAM
06:58:01.389 AT THE TIME, OR KA ISER NOW, PJ
06:58:04.392 SMITH, DR. FORD AND AN UNNAMED
06:58:06.427 BOY.
06:58:06.627 TOUR KNOW MARK JUDGE?
06:58:10.698 >> I DO.
06:58:11.065 >> HOW DO YOU KNOW HIM?
06:58:15.103 >> HE WAS A FRIEND AT
06:58:18.173 GEORGETOWN PREP STARTING IN 9TH
06:58:22.677 GRADE.
06:58:22.910 HE IS A -- SOMEONE WE WOULD --
06:58:24.879 IN OUR -- YOU KNOW GROUP OF
06:58:27.182 FRIENDS WERE VERY FRIENDLY
06:58:30.885 GROUP IN CLASS.
06:58:31.519 YOU SAW THE LETTER THAT'S BEEN
06:58:33.188 SENSE BY MY FRIEND FROM
06:58:44.032 GEORGETOWN PREP.
06:58:45.233 FUNNY GUY.
06:58:45.533 GREAT WRITER.
06:58:45.867 POPULAR.
06:58:46.134 DEVELOPED A SERIOUS ADDICTION
06:58:48.903 PROBLEM THAT LASTED DECADES.
06:58:49.536 NEAR DEATH A COUPLE OF TIMES
06:58:56.211 FROM HIS ADDICTION.
06:58:57.245 SUFFERED A LOT FROM --
06:59:01.983 >> WHAT IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP
06:59:03.618 WITH HIM LIKE NOW?
06:59:04.285 >> I WOULD TALK TO HIM IN A
06:59:08.122 COUPLE OF YEARS.
06:59:08.756 WE HAVE PROBABLY BEEN ON MASSEY
06:59:10.892 MAILS OR GROUP E-MAILS THAT GO
06:59:16.631 AROUND.
06:59:16.931 >> DID YOU
06:59:33.180 WE PLAYED FOOTBALL TOGETHER.
06:59:35.383 HE WAS A DEFENSIVE TACKLE.
06:59:38.219 I WAS THE QUARTERBACK AND WIDE
06:59:39.721 RECEIVER.
06:59:40.087 WE CARPOOLED TO SCHOOL, ALONG
06:59:41.556 WITH DAVIS EVERY YEAR.
06:59:45.560 THE THREE OF US FOR 2 YEARS.
06:59:46.961 I DID NOT HAVE A CAR, SO WE
06:59:49.731 WOULD DRIVE EVERY DAY IN THEY
06:59:52.267 WOULD PICK ME UP.
06:59:56.304 >> WHAT IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP
06:59:58.940 LIKE WITH HIM NOW?
06:59:59.741 >> HE LIVES IN THE AREA.
07:00:00.975 I SEE HIM ONCE IN A WHILE.
07:00:02.977 I HAVE NOT SEEN HIM SINCE THIS
07:00:04.812 THING.
07:00:05.045 >> DO YOU KNOW LELAND INCOME OR
07:00:08.682 LELAND KEISER?
07:00:11.719 >> I KNOW OF HER.
07:00:12.553 IT IS POSSIBLE.
07:00:16.290 I MET HER IN HIGH SCHOOL AT
07:00:18.927 SOME POINT.
07:00:20.628 I KNOW OF HER.
07:00:22.330 I DON'T WANT TO RULE OUT HAVING
07:00:28.436 CROSS PASSIVE IN HIGH SCHOOL.
07:00:29.904 >> SO MUCH YOUR STATEMENTS OF
07:00:32.273 KNOWING DR. FORD?
07:00:33.675 >> CORRECT.
07:00:35.877 >> SENATOR FEINSTEIN.
07:00:41.349 >> JUDGE KAVANAUGH, IT IS MY
07:00:43.016 UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE
07:00:45.954 DENIED THE ALLEGATIONS BY DR.
07:00:47.321 FORD, MS. RAMIREZ, AND MS.
07:00:58.933 SWETNICK.
07:01:02.837 ALL INDIVIDUALS HAVE ASKED THE
07:01:03.838 FBI TO INVESTIGATE THE CLAIMS.
07:01:05.506 I HAVE LISTENED TO WHAT YOU
07:01:07.709 HAVE SAID.
07:01:08.009 YOUR CONCERN IS EVIDENT AND
07:01:09.243 CLEAR.
07:01:10.445 IF YOU'RE VERY CONFIDENT OF
07:01:11.646 YOUR POSITION AND YOU APPEAR TO
07:01:12.680 BE, WHY AREN'T YOU ALSO ASKING
07:01:14.882 THE FBI TO INVESTIGATE THESE
07:01:17.185 CLAIMS?
07:01:22.457 >> SENATOR, I WILL DO WHATEVER
07:01:23.758 THE COMMITTEE WANTS.
07:01:24.292 I WANTED A HEARING THE DAY
07:01:25.693 AFTER THE ALLEGATION CAME UP.
07:01:26.728 I WANTED TO BE HERE THAT DAY.
07:01:27.962 INSTEAD, 10 DAYS PAST WERE ALL
07:01:31.999 THIS NONSENSE IS COMING OUT. I
07:01:35.002 AM ON GANGS.
07:01:36.271 I AM ON BOATS IN RHODE ISLAND.
07:01:38.906 I AM IN COLORADO, I AM CITED
07:01:42.110 ALL OVER THE PLACE.
07:01:43.010 THE THINGS ARE PRINTED AND RUN
07:01:45.380 BREATHLESSLY BY CABLE NEWS.
07:01:48.616 I WANTED A HEARING THE NEXT DAY.
07:01:51.185 MY FAMILY HAS BEEN DESTROYED BY
07:01:53.154 THIS, SENATOR.
07:01:53.521 DESTROYED.
07:01:56.891 WHATEVER THE COMMITTEE DECIDES,
07:01:59.827 I AM ALL IN.
07:02:01.462 >> THE QUESTION IS --
07:02:05.333 >> I AM ALL IN.
07:02:06.434 >> THE TERRIBLE AND HARD PART
07:02:08.636 OF THIS IS THAT WHEN WE GET AN
07:02:10.571 ALLEGATION, WE ARE NOT IN A
07:02:13.708 POSITION TO PROVE IT OR
07:02:14.642 DISPROVE IT.
07:02:15.042 HAVE TO DEPEND ON SOME OUTSIDE
07:02:16.377 AUTHORITY FOR IT.
07:02:17.578 IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THE THAT
07:02:20.314 WHEN THE ALLEGATIONS CAME
07:02:21.582 FORWARD, THAT YOU WOULD WANT
07:02:24.986 THE FBI TO INVESTIGATE THOSE
07:02:26.387 CLAIMS AND CLEAR IT UP ONCE AND
07:02:28.823 FOR ALL.
07:02:31.726 >> SENATOR, THE COMMITTEE
07:02:32.859 INVESTIGATES -- IT IS NOT FOR
07:02:36.831 ME TO SAY HOW TO DO IT, BUT
07:02:38.433 JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE FBI DOES
07:02:39.967 NOT COME TO A CONCLUSION.
07:02:43.070 THEY WOULD GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF
07:02:44.305 302 THAT JUST TELLS YOU WHAT WE
07:02:45.506 SAID.
07:02:45.807 I AM HERE.
07:02:46.374 I WANTED TO BE HERE THE NEXT
07:02:47.942 DAY.
07:02:48.342 IT IS AN OUTRAGE THAT I WAS NOT
07:02:50.177 ALLOWED TO COME AND IMMEDIATELY
07:02:53.847 DEFEND MY NAME AND SAY, I DID
07:02:55.249 NOT DO THIS AND GIVE YOU ALL OF
07:02:56.884 THE EVIDENCE.
07:02:57.952 I AM NOT EVEN IN D.C. ON THE
07:02:59.953 WEEKENDS IN THE SUMMER OF 1982.
07:03:03.324 THIS HAPPENED ON A WEEKDAY?
07:03:07.228 I'M NOT AT A SUMMER LEAGUE
07:03:12.967 GAME?
07:03:13.167 I'M NOT WORKING OUT?
07:03:13.968 I'M NOT IN A MOVIE WITH SUZANNE?
07:03:16.471 I WANTED TO BE HERE RIGHT AWAY.
07:03:20.641 >> THE DIFFICULT THING IS THAT
07:03:24.912 THESE HEARINGS ARE SET BY THE
07:03:28.582 MAJORITY, BUT I AM TALKING ABOUT
07:03:33.020 GETTING THE EVIDENCE AND HAVING
07:03:35.022 THE EVIDENCE LOOKED AT. I DO
07:03:39.527 NOT UNDERSTAND -- WE HEAR FROM
07:03:44.799 THE WITNESSES, BUT THE FBI IS
07:03:51.105 NOT INTERVIEWING THEM AND IS
07:03:52.240 NOT GIVING US ANY FACTS.
07:03:54.375 SO WE HAVE.
07:03:54.976 >> YOU ARE INTERVIEWING ME.
07:03:56.110 YOU ARE INTERVIEWING ME.
07:04:01.682 YOU ARE DOING IT, SENATOR.
07:04:02.683 I AM SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT
07:04:04.218 YOU'RE DOING IT.
07:04:04.618 THERE IS NO CONCLUSIONS
07:04:05.553 REACHED.
07:04:05.820 >> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF I
07:04:07.088 UNDERSTAND IT, IS AT THE
07:04:08.122 ALLEGATIONS BY DR. FORD, MS.
07:04:11.626 RAMIREZ, AND MS. SWETNICK ARE
07:04:15.263 WRONG.
07:04:18.566 >> THAT IS EMPHATICALLY WHAT I
07:04:19.600 AM SAYING.
07:04:21.202 EMPHATICALLY. úTHE SWETNICK THI
07:04:25.239 THAT IS A FARCE.
07:04:28.910 >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY MORE
07:04:30.111 ABOUT IT?
07:04:31.078 >> NO.
07:04:34.282 >> THAT IS IT.
07:04:34.782 THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN.
07:04:42.323 >> DR. FORD HAS DESCRIBED YOU
07:04:43.558 AS BEING INTOXICATED AT A
07:04:44.759 PARTY.
07:04:45.426 DID YOU CONSUME ALCOHOL DURING
07:04:47.828 YOUR HIGH SCHOOL YEARS?
07:04:51.032 >> YES. WE DRINK BEER.
07:04:52.700 MY FRIENDS AND I, BOYS AND
07:04:53.901 GIRLS, YES, WE DRINK BEER.
07:04:55.136 I LIKE TO BEER.
07:04:56.537 I STILL LIKE BEER.
07:04:58.573 WE DRINK BEER.
07:05:00.641 THE DRINKING AGE, AS I NOTED,
07:05:03.544 WAS 18.
07:05:04.278 SO THE SENIORS WERE LEGAL.
07:05:06.280 WE WERE LEGAL TO DRINK.
07:05:07.882 I SAID THAT SOMETIMES WE
07:05:10.885 PROBABLY HAD TOO MANY BEERS AND
07:05:13.387 SOMETIMES OTHER PEOPLE HAD TOO
07:05:14.956 MANY BEERS.
07:05:16.657 WE DRINK BEER.
07:05:18.025 WE LIKE BEER.
07:05:20.528 >> WHAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE TOO
07:05:21.963 MANY BEERS?
07:05:22.263 >> I DON'T KNOW.
07:05:26.000 WHATEVER THE CHART SAYS.
07:05:29.270 THE BLOOD-ALCOHOL CHART.
07:05:40.181 >> WHEN YOU TALKED TO FOX NEWS
07:05:41.516 THE OTHER NIGHT YOU SAID THAT
07:05:42.650 THERE WERE TIMES IN HIGH SCHOOL
07:05:43.951 WHEN PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE HAD TOO
07:05:45.286 MANY BEERS ON OCCASION.
07:05:45.987 DOES THAT INCLUDE YOU?
07:05:47.288 >> SURE.
07:05:47.855 >> HAVE YOU EVER PASSED OUT
07:05:49.523 FROM DRINKING?
07:05:50.191 >> PASSED OUT WOULD BE, NO.
07:05:54.862 I'VE GONE TO SLEEP, BUT I HAVE
07:05:56.263 NEVER BLACKED OUT.
07:05:56.897 THAT IS THE ALLEGATION AND THAT
07:06:02.503 IS WRONG.
07:06:04.372 >> LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR TIME
07:06:06.007 IN HIGH SCHOOL.
07:06:06.440 IN HIGH SCHOOL, AFTER DRINKING,
07:06:08.643 DID YOU EVER WAKE UP IN A
07:06:10.244 DIFFERENT LOCATION THAN YOU
07:06:11.278 REMEMBERED PASSING OUT OR GOING
07:06:13.414 TO SLEEP?
07:06:14.281 >> NO.
07:06:15.282 NO.
07:06:16.384 >> DID YOU EVER WAKE UP WITH
07:06:19.387 YOUR CLOSE IN A DIFFERENT
07:06:20.421 CONDITION OR FEWER CLOTHES ON
07:06:22.423 AND YOU REMEMBERED WHEN YOU
07:06:23.491 WENT TO SLEEP OR PASSED OUT?
07:06:26.093 >> NO.
07:06:26.761 NO.
07:06:28.162 >> DID YOU EVER -- DID ANYONE
07:06:33.434 EVER TELL YOU ABOUT SOMETHING
07:06:34.468 THAT HAPPENED IN YOUR PRESENCE
07:06:35.670 THAT YOU DID NOT REMEMBER
07:06:37.071 DURING A TIME THAT YOU HAD BEEN
07:06:38.706 DRINKING?
07:06:40.207 >> NO.
07:06:41.375 WE DRINK BEER.
07:06:49.250 AND SODA THE VAST MAJORITY OF
07:06:50.284 PEOPLE OUR AGE AT THE TIME.
07:06:52.720 IN ANY EVENT, WE DRANK BEER AND
07:06:55.790 WE STILL DO.
07:06:59.026 WHATEVER.
07:07:03.931 >> DURING THE TIME IN HIGH
07:07:05.232 SCHOOL WHEN YOU WOULD BE
07:07:06.133 DRINKING, DID ANYONE EVER TELL
07:07:07.268 YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU
07:07:08.469 DID NOT REMEMBER?
07:07:09.303 >> NO.
07:07:09.970 >> DR. FORD DESCRIBED A SMALL
07:07:12.973 GATHERING OF PEOPLE AT A
07:07:17.178 SUBURBAN MARYLAND HOME IN THE
07:07:18.312 SUMMER OF 1982.
07:07:18.813 SHE SAID THAT MARK JUDGE, PJ
07:07:21.282 SMITH, AND LELAND INCOME WAS
07:07:24.017 PRESENT, AS WELL AS AN UNKNOWN
07:07:28.555 MALE.
07:07:33.360 WERE YOU EVER AT A GATHERING
07:07:34.795 THAT FITS THAT DESCRIPTION?
07:07:36.630 >> KNOW, AS I SAID IN MY
07:07:38.599 OPENING STATEMENTS.
07:07:40.267 >> DR. FORD DESCRIBED AN
07:07:42.570 INCIDENT WHERE SHE WAS ALONE IN
07:07:45.506 A ROOM WITH YOU AND MARK JUDGE.
07:07:46.941 HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ALONE IN A
07:07:49.110 ROOM WITH MARK JUDGE?
07:07:51.912 >> NO.
07:07:55.583 >> HAVE YOU EVER GROUND OR
07:07:56.884 RUBBED YOUR GENITALS AGAINST
07:07:58.085 DR. FORD?
07:08:01.589 DR. FORD DESCRIBED AN INCIDENT
07:08:02.423 WHERE YOU COVERED HER MOUTH
07:08:03.624 WITH YOUR HAND.
07:08:04.258 HAVE YOU EVER COVERED DR.
07:08:06.694 FORD'S MOUTH WITH YOUR HAND?
07:08:09.663 >> NO.
07:08:12.166 >> THEY DESCRIBED AN INCIDENT
07:08:13.167 WHERE YOU EVER TRY TO REMOVE
07:08:15.002 HER CLOSE.
07:08:15.603 DID YOU EVER TRY TO REMOVE HER
07:08:17.237 CLOTHES?
07:08:19.507 >> NO.
07:08:19.740 >> REFERRING BACK TO THE
07:08:24.311 DEFINITION OF SEXUAL BEHAVIOR
07:08:24.945 THAT I HAVE GIVEN TO YOU, HAVE
07:08:26.447 YOU EVER, AT ANY TIME, ENGAGED
07:08:27.782 IN SEXUAL BEHAVIOR WITH DR.
07:08:29.250 FORD?
07:08:29.550 >> NO.
07:08:31.018 >> HAVE YOU EVER ENGAGED IN
07:08:32.887 SEXUAL BEHAVIOR WITH DR. FORD,
07:08:34.121 EVEN IF IT WAS CONSENSUAL?
07:08:35.456 >> NO.
07:08:39.026 >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR
07:08:40.394 CALENDARS.
07:08:40.694 YOU SUBMITTED TO THE COMMITTEE,
07:08:42.429 COPIES OF THE HANDWRITTEN
07:08:45.466 CALENDARS THAT YOU HAVE TALKED
07:08:46.300 ABOUT FOR THE MONTHS OF MAY,
07:08:48.335 JUNE, JULY, AND AUGUST OF 1982.
07:08:51.338 TO HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF YOU?
07:08:57.478 >> I DO.
07:08:58.445 >> DID YOU CREATE THESE?
07:09:02.082 >> IS IT YOUR HANDWRITING?
07:09:08.055 >> YES.
07:09:08.522 >> WHAT DID YOU MAKE THE
07:09:09.657 ENTRIES?
07:09:09.924 >> IN 1982.
07:09:10.658 >> HAS ANYTHING CHANGED OR BEEN
07:09:12.793 CHANGE FOR THOSE SINCE 1982?
07:09:14.161 >> NO.
07:09:20.101 >> DO THESE CALENDARS REPRESENT
07:09:21.435 YOUR PLANS FOR EACH DAY, OR DO
07:09:24.171 THEY DOCUMENT, PROSPECTIVELY,
07:09:28.709 WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED MORE
07:09:32.112 LIKE A DIARY?
07:09:37.852 >> THEY ARE BOTH FORWARD-
07:09:38.785 LOOKING AND BACKWARD LOOKING,
07:09:39.486 AS YOU CAN TELL FROM LOOKING AT
07:09:40.988 THEM BECAUSE I CROSSED OUT
07:09:41.956 CERTAIN DOCTORS APPOINTMENTS
07:09:42.590 THAT DID NOT HAPPEN OR ONE
07:09:43.791 NIGHT, WHEN I WAS SUPPOSED TO
07:09:45.192 LIFT WEIGHTS, I CROSS THAT OUT
07:09:48.229 BECAUSE I OBVIOUSLY DID NOT
07:09:49.063 MAKE IT THAT NIGHT.
07:09:49.864 YOU CAN SEE THINGS THAT I DID
07:09:52.266 NOT DO.
07:09:52.700 THEY WERE CROSSED OUT.
07:09:56.937 AND ALSO, WHEN I LISTED
07:09:57.972 SPECIFIC PEOPLE THAT I WAS WITH,
07:10:00.808 THAT IS LIKELY BACKWARD LOOKING.
07:10:03.744 >> YOU EXPLAIN THAT YOU KEPT
07:10:06.480 THESE CALENDARS BECAUSE YOUR
07:10:10.050 FATHER STARTED KEEPING THEM IN
07:10:11.018 1978, I BELIEVE YOU SAID.
07:10:12.653 THAT IS WHAT YOU KEPT THEM.
07:10:15.256 IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WROTE ON
07:10:17.024 THEM IN BUT WHY DID YOU KEEP
07:10:19.727 THEM UP UNTIL THIS TIME?
07:10:20.861 >> HE HAS KEPT THEM AS WELL
07:10:22.663 SINCE 1978.
07:10:22.996 HE IS A GOOD ROLE MODEL.
07:10:26.033 >> MS. MITCHELL?
07:10:31.505 JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS ASKED FOR A
07:10:32.506 BREAK.
07:10:32.739 WE WILL TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK.
07:10:49.790 >> HELLO EVERYONE, WE JUST
07:10:50.424 HEARD FROM A FIERY AND
07:10:51.992 EMOTIONAL JUDGE WHO CAME, GUNS
07:10:58.933 BLAZING, DEFIANT, TO THE SENATE
07:10:59.934 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, FOLLOWING
07:11:01.535 ACCUSATIONS OF ASSAULT FROM DR.
07:11:05.306 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD.
07:11:06.607 HERE TO DISCUSS WITH ME IS
07:11:08.442 CAITLIN HUEY BURNS, LESLIE
07:11:12.413 SANCHEZ, A REPUBLICAN
07:11:13.113 STRATEGIST, AND JESSE WEBER, AN
07:11:15.249 ATTORNEY AND HOST ON THE LAW
07:11:17.751 AND CRIME NETWORK.
07:11:20.120 THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
07:11:22.289 THAT WAS DIFFICULT TO LISTEN TO.
07:11:25.326 AT THE BEGINNING, HE WAS
07:11:26.861 TEARFUL.
07:11:27.127 HE WAS CLEARLY SHOOK UP.
07:11:32.800 DEFIANT.
07:11:33.067 UPSET.
07:11:34.435 ANGRY.
07:11:35.903 A RANGE OF EMOTIONS.
07:11:37.071 TO THINK THAT HE HIT THE RIGHT
07:11:38.706 NOTES?
07:11:38.939 >> THERE IS A REASON THAT YOU
07:11:41.976 NEVER WANT TO PUT A DEFENDANT
07:11:42.976 ON THE STAND.
07:11:43.677 THIS IS NOT A TRIAL.
07:11:44.611 I WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR.
07:11:54.288 THIS IS NOT ABOUT GETTING TO
07:11:55.589 THE TRUTH.
07:11:55.990 THERE IS NOT A JURY HERE TO TRY
07:11:57.524 TO GET TO SEE IF HE IS GUILTY
07:11:59.059 OR NOT.
07:11:59.660 THIS IS ABOUT HIS
07:12:00.461 QUALIFICATIONS AND WHETHER NOT
07:12:01.295 HE WILL BE NOMINATED.
07:12:01.895 BUT WHEN HE FIRST CAME OUT, HE
07:12:03.430 NEEDED TO NOT BE ROMANTIC,
07:12:04.531 WHICH IS WHAT WE SAW IN THE
07:12:05.766 PAST.
07:12:06.066 BUT IT MIGHT HAVE VEERED A
07:12:07.167 LITTLE BIT TO EMOTIONAL.
07:12:08.202 AND A LITTLE BIT TOO OUT OF
07:12:09.403 CONTROL.
07:12:09.670 THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
07:12:10.404 BEING VERY STRONG AND CREDIBLE,
07:12:11.972 WHICH IS WHAT HE NEEDED TO BE.
07:12:17.711 AND THERE WAS A STRONG
07:12:18.646 PERFORMANCE BY DR. FORD THIS
07:12:19.747 MORNING, AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING
07:12:20.748 LIKE, HE IS GOING OVER THE EDGE
07:12:21.982 A LITTLE BIT.
07:12:22.583 WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A BETTER
07:12:23.784 THING TO SAY IS, IF YOU WANT AN
07:12:25.419 FBI INVESTIGATION, GO FOR.
07:12:26.453 BUT IF YOU CLEAR MY NAME, YOU
07:12:27.888 HAVE TO VOTE AND CONFIRM ME.
07:12:30.758 >> DO YOU THINK HE HAD THE
07:12:32.259 RIGHT NOTES OR DID HE GO TOO
07:12:33.594 FAR?
07:12:33.894 >> I THINK, REGARDLESS OF THIS,
07:12:34.995 DOES A VERY PAINFUL PROCESS TO
07:12:36.430 WATCH.
07:12:36.663 IT IS VERY PERSONAL HERE.
07:12:38.265 IT HAS ALSO BECOME HYPER-
07:12:40.334 PARTISAN. IN THIS CASE, THE
07:12:41.902 JUDGE BECAME HYPER- PARTISAN.
07:12:45.039 IN TERMS OF HIS CONTRAST, HIS
07:12:46.573 ATTITUDE.
07:12:51.645 YOU CAN SEE THAT HE IS
07:12:52.546 DEFENDING HIS NAME, HIS FAMILY,
07:12:53.680 AND HIS HONOR, BUT THIS
07:12:54.681 CONTENTIOUS BACK AND FORTH WITH
07:12:55.716 SENATOR FEINSTEIN WILL WORK IN
07:12:57.051 REPUBLICAN CIRCLES.
07:12:57.785 THE PRAISING OF PRESIDENT
07:12:58.352 TRUMP, THE ACTUALLY WORKS IF
07:13:00.020 THE AUDIENCE IS AT 1600
07:13:03.057 PENNSYLVANIA.
07:13:03.390 >> THAT IS A GOOD POINT.
07:13:04.558 HE THROUGHOUT THE WINDOW THE
07:13:07.728 MYTH THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED BE A
07:13:09.229 NONPARTISAN PROCESS.
07:13:09.696 HE ALMOST SOUNDED LIKE A
07:13:10.564 POLITICAL CANDIDATE AT SOME
07:13:11.365 POINTS.
07:13:11.598 HE CAME OUT SO HARD AGAINST THE
07:13:13.701 DEMOCRATS.
07:13:14.001 >> THAT IS WHAT IS LOST IN ALL
07:13:15.836 OF THIS.
07:13:16.236 WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHERE
07:13:17.638 EVERYTHING BROKE DOWN, WE WILL
07:13:18.639 SEE THIS PAGE IN HISTORY.
07:13:22.309 IT IS CONTENTIOUS AND IT IS
07:13:23.510 HIGHLY PARTISAN, AND IN MANY
07:13:24.645 CASES, IT HAS BEEN VERY SEXIST,
07:13:28.816 BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU SEE THE
07:13:30.417 JUDGE HAVING TO GO THERE, NOT
07:13:31.452 ONLY WITH THE BOXES INTERVIEW,
07:13:32.452 BUT NOW THE GLOVES ARE OFF AND
07:13:33.887 IT IS EXTREMELY PARTISAN AND HE
07:13:36.957 IS TRIPPING.
07:13:37.558 >> AND WE ALL LOST SOMETHING BY
07:13:38.892 THAT, I THINK.
07:13:39.393 WHAT WAS YOUR IMPRESSION?
07:13:41.628 >> THIS IS A TOUGH DAY FOR
07:13:43.063 EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
07:13:43.864 THE TESTIMONY FROM DR. FORD WAS
07:13:45.298 COMPELLING, GUT WRENCHING AT
07:13:47.034 TIMES, AND ELICITING EMOTIONAL
07:13:49.203 REACTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE
07:13:50.637 WATCHING.
07:13:53.007 THE JUDGE'S TESTIMONY, JUDGE
07:13:59.780 KAVANAUGH'S TESTIMONY, WHEN HE
07:14:00.714 WAS GETTING EMOTIONAL, TALKING
07:14:01.415 ABOUT HIS OWN FAMILY AND WHAT
07:14:02.716 THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGH
07:14:03.650 THROUGHOUT THE 10 DAYS SINCE
07:14:04.351 THE ALLEGATIONS SURFACED, WILL
07:14:05.185 ALSO TUG AT -- EVOKES OF
07:14:08.989 EMOTION FROM PEOPLE AS WELL.
07:14:12.393 I AM WAITING TO SEE, THOUGH,
07:14:13.727 HOW HE HANDLES THE QUESTIONING.
07:14:14.561 MEMBER, THE DEMOCRATIC WAS
07:14:15.762 SENATORS ARE NOT TO BE KIND TO
07:14:20.234 HIM THE WAY THEY WANTED TO SHOW
07:14:21.835 SUPPORT FOR DR. FORD AND FOR
07:14:23.036 WHAT SHE HAD BEEN THROUGH.
07:14:24.037 THEY ARE GOING TO GRILL JUDGE
07:14:26.139 KAVANAUGH TO EVERY EXTENT THAT
07:14:29.910 THEY CAN.
07:14:31.578 WATCHING HOW HE RESPONDS TO
07:14:32.579 THAT WILL BE REALLY TELLING.
07:14:34.515 DID HE NEGATE ANY OF THIS OF
07:14:35.849 THE THAT HE MAY HAVE GARNERED
07:14:37.151 EARLIER IN THE TESTIMONY?
07:14:38.051 WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER, AS
07:14:43.590 LESLIE MEHTA, WHO HE IS TRYING
07:14:44.892 TO TALK TO HERE.
07:14:45.626 IS IT DONALD TRUMP?
07:14:47.494 IS IT THE COLLINS AND
07:14:50.931 MURKOWSKI'S OF THE SENATE.
07:14:58.205 >> WE'RE GOING TO PLAY A LITTLE
07:14:59.506 BIT OF SOME OF HIS MORE
07:15:00.807 EMOTIONAL WORDS.
07:15:01.441 I THINK WHERE HE WAS THE MOST
07:15:02.643 TOUCHING WHEN HE SPOKE ABOUT
07:15:03.677 HIS FAMILY.
07:15:04.178 LET'S LISTEN TO THIS.
07:15:05.479 >> I INTEND NO ILL WILL DR.
07:15:07.414 FORD AND HER FAMILY.
07:15:09.950 THE OTHER NIGHT, ASHLEY MY
07:15:11.018 DAUGHTER SAID THEIR PRAYERS AND
07:15:13.219 LITTLE LIZA, 10 YEARS OLD,,
07:15:24.231 SAID TO ASHLEY, WE SHOULD PRAY
07:15:26.100 FOR THE WOMAN.
07:15:29.670 THERE'S A LOT OF WISDOM FROM A
07:15:31.271 10-YEAR-OLD.
07:15:35.843 WE MEAN NO ILL WILL.
07:15:50.324 >> THAT WAS DEFINITELY ONE OF
07:15:51.992 THE MORE POIGNANT MOMENTS.
07:15:53.961 YOU CERTAINLY CANNOT ARGUE WITH
07:15:54.962 A 10-YEAR-OLD PRAYING FOR
07:15:56.129 SOMEONE.
07:15:56.697 I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT DO YOU
07:15:58.332 THINK, A MAN CRYING IN PUBLIC
07:16:00.868 IS HELD TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD
07:16:02.536 THAN A WOMAN CRYING IN PUBLIC.
07:16:08.242 DO YOU THINK, IN OTHER WORDS,
07:16:09.376 THE HE WAS GIVEN POINTS FOR
07:16:10.611 THAT SHOW OF EMOTION,'S, HAD
07:16:12.112 DR. FORD, PERHAPS BROKEN DOWN
07:16:13.013 ON THAT LEVEL, SHE MIGHT NOT
07:16:14.147 HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE SAME CREDIT?
07:16:16.383 WHAT YOU THINK?
07:16:17.184 >> I THINK THAT SO MANY PEOPLE
07:16:19.419 ARE TRYING TO MAKE HIM THE
07:16:21.088 VILLAIN AND HE PUSHES BACK
07:16:23.323 AGAINST THAT.
07:16:23.724 HE SHOWED A VERY STRONG SENSE OF
07:16:25.559 HUMANITY.
07:16:25.826 A STRONG SENSE OF HIS OWN
07:16:26.994 PERSONAL FAITH AND COMPASSION.
07:16:30.630 THAT EMPATHY FOR DR. FORD WILL
07:16:31.965 CARRY A LOT OF WEIGHT.
07:16:34.601 PEOPLE BE CONFUSED, AND HE
07:16:35.802 CANNOT SAY 100% -- EITHER ONE
07:16:37.304 OF THEM IS 100% CORRECT.
07:16:38.305 THAT MAY BE FUNDAMENTALLY, IF
07:16:42.376 THERE IS A WINNING, IN TERMS OF
07:16:44.210 CONFIRMATION, THAT SALVAGES HIS
07:16:47.514 NOMINATION.
07:16:47.881 >> I THINK WE ARE IN A LOSE
07:16:49.483 LOSE SITUATION.
07:16:49.883 GUARD US OF HOW THIS TURNS OUT,
07:16:51.518 THERE ARE SOME BROKEN LIVES.
07:16:52.886 >> EXACTLY.
07:16:54.888 IT IS DIFFICULT TO SEE HOW
07:16:56.023 ANYBODY COMES OUT OF THIS,
07:16:57.024 WHETHER IT IS JUDGE KAVANAUGH
07:16:59.793 WINNING, MEANING HE IS NOMINATED
07:17:04.431 TO THE SUPREME COURT OR
07:17:05.766 CONFIRMED TO THE SUPREME COURT,
07:17:06.800 THIS WILL HAVE THEIR OVER COVER
07:17:08.902 OVER HIM.
07:17:09.236 THIS IS A HISTORIC DAY IN EVERY
07:17:13.807 SENSE THE WORD.
07:17:19.880 AND FOR DR. FORD, IT IS HARD TO
07:17:21.181 SEE BOTH SIDES.
07:17:21.782 IT IS HARD TO SEE WHERE THERE
07:17:23.317 IS A VICTORY HERE, IF THAT IS A
07:17:24.952 WORD THEY ARE USING.
07:17:25.752 WHAT I AM ALSO GOING TO WATCH
07:17:27.254 FOR IN THE COMING QUESTIONING,
07:17:28.321 IS, HOW POLITICAL THIS DOES
07:17:29.456 BECOME.
07:17:29.722 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A JUSTICE
07:17:30.557 FOR THE SUPREME COURT OF THE
07:17:31.958 UNITED STATES, WHICH WAS
07:17:32.592 SUPPOSED TO BE REMOVED FROM
07:17:34.328 POLITICS.
07:17:34.795 THE JUDGE, IN HIS VERSACE WITH
07:17:38.865 FOX NEWS EARLIER THIS WEEK,
07:17:42.236 SAID HE WOULD NOT TAKE THE BAIT
07:17:43.737 WHEN ASKED SEVERAL TIMES
07:17:44.438 WHETHER THE MOTIVATIONS OF THIS
07:17:45.906 WERE POLITICAL.
07:17:46.973 HE DID NOT ENGAGE THEM THAT
07:17:48.642 TODAY.
07:17:49.609 IT DOES SEEM TO BE A PILLAR OF
07:17:51.812 HIS DEFENSE, SAYING THAT IT WAS
07:17:55.282 ABOUT THE PROCESS.
07:17:55.715 HE IS SPEAKING TO PEOPLE IN THE
07:17:57.317 AUDIENCE ABOUT WHERE YOU WANT
07:17:58.252 TO GO AS A COUNTRY.
07:17:59.452 FOR SOME PEOPLE, THAT MEANS
07:18:00.487 LEAVING IN FORD.
07:18:00.987 >> LET'S BRING IN BRIEFLY THE
07:18:04.057 SOUND WHERE HE REFERENCED
07:18:06.927 PRESIDENT TRUMP.
07:18:08.128 >> THIS WHOLE TWO-WEEK EFFORT
07:18:08.962 HAS BEEN A CALCULATED AND
07:18:09.963 ORCHESTRATED POLITICAL HIT.
07:18:12.199 FUELED WITH APPARENT PENT UP
07:18:14.434 ANGER ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
07:18:16.269 THE ONLY 16 ELECTION.
07:18:21.708 FEAR THAT HAS BEEN UNFAIRLY
07:18:23.143 STOKED ABOUT MY JUDICIAL
07:18:25.979 RECORD.
07:18:26.380 REVENGE ON BEHALF OF THE
07:18:27.814 CLINTONS.
07:18:28.081 AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN
07:18:29.850 MONEY FROM OUTSIDE LEFT-WING
07:18:35.255 OPPOSITION GROUPS.
07:18:35.688 >> THE GLOVES ARE OFF AND THE
07:18:37.090 DEMOCRATS ARE THE ENERGY --
07:18:38.759 ENEMY.
07:18:39.059 >> REPUBLICANS WOULD SAY, SEE
07:18:41.461 SECRETLY SOME SORT OF GANG
07:18:42.662 LEADER IN AN UNDERGROUND GANG
07:18:46.433 RAPE GROUP THAT WAS AVOIDED
07:18:49.369 THAT HE EVADED THE FBI?
07:18:50.337 OR IS HE AND IS A MAN GOING
07:18:53.507 THROUGH A SMEAR CAMPAIGN?
07:18:54.975 THE ANSWER IS MORE LIKELY
07:18:56.843 SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.
07:18:57.644 >> I THINK WE HAVE TO STEP
07:18:59.179 BACK.
07:18:59.379 IS THIS A BIG DEMOCRATIC PLOT
07:19:01.281 TO UNEARTH THIS, OR IS IT
07:19:03.550 SOMETHING WITH A HANDSOME
07:19:04.351 INFORMATION, MAYBE SHOULD HAVE
07:19:05.719 GIVEN IT FORWARD A LITTLE
07:19:07.754 EARLIER, BUT GAVE IT.
07:19:09.689 THE SAME POINT FOR THE
07:19:10.923 REPUBLICANS.
07:19:12.325 WE MIGHT WANT TO OPEN AN FBI
07:19:13.627 INVESTIGATION, BUT BASED ON THE
07:19:14.761 TIMING, MAYBE IT DOESN'T MAKE
07:19:16.129 SO MUCH'S SENSE.
07:19:19.833 WE CANNOT FIT WITH THE OVERALL
07:19:21.768 THEME IS.
07:19:22.102 THIS IS THE SUPREME COURT.
07:19:23.870 IF THIS DOES NOT GET SETTLED BY
07:19:25.505 OCTOBER 1, WE HAVE A SUPREME
07:19:26.807 COURT THAT COULD THEORETICALLY
07:19:27.540 GO IN WITH EIGHT JUSTICES AND
07:19:31.011 BE SPLIT ON SOME MAJOR
07:19:32.746 DECISIONS GOING FORWARD.
07:19:36.049 A 4-4 SPLIT.
07:19:36.650 IT MEANS THAT THE LOWER COURT
07:19:39.085 DECISION WILL BE UPHELD.
07:19:39.920 THAT IS A DANGEROUS THING TO
07:19:41.354 THINK ABOUT.
07:19:41.788 WE NEED NINE JUSTICES ON THE
07:19:42.889 SUPREME COURT ONE WAY OR THE
07:19:44.423 OTHER.
07:19:46.226 IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE
07:19:47.461 HAVING THE CONVERSATION NOW, AS
07:19:48.662 OPPOSED TO LATER, BUT YOU CAN'T
07:19:50.464 HELP BUT THINK, THAT IF HE DOES
07:19:52.132 NOT GET CONFIRMED, WHAT WILL
07:19:53.600 HAPPEN, REALISTICALLY, MOVING
07:19:55.568 FORWARD.
07:19:56.002 WE HAVE SOME VERY IMPORTANT
07:19:56.770 MONTHS HUMMING FORWARD.
07:19:57.903 >> I HAVE A CBSN POLITICAL
07:20:03.810 CONTRIBUTOR DEMOCRATIC
07:20:04.310 STRATEGIST. LINDA, WHAT YOU
07:20:09.049 MAKE OF THE OPENING STATEMENTS?
07:20:09.983 >> I WOULD AGREE WITH A LOT OF
07:20:13.120 WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
07:20:14.354 HERE JUST NOW ON THE PANEL.
07:20:15.389 JUDGE KAVANAUGH SURPRISED US, I
07:20:16.857 THINK, BY SHOWING A LEVEL OF
07:20:20.961 EMOTION, THE INTENSITY AND THE
07:20:21.995 DIRECT ATTACK ON DEMOCRATS.
07:20:24.030 I WOULD SAY THAT SOME OF THE
07:20:25.999 THINGS THAT TRANSPIRED JUST
07:20:30.504 NOW, I DON'T THINK THEY ARE
07:20:31.605 TERRIBLY HELPFUL TO HIM AS HE
07:20:32.739 WAS PLAYING TO THE AUDIENCE OF
07:20:34.508 ONE OF DONALD TRUMP.
07:20:35.775 I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT THE WOMEN
07:20:36.977 WHO WERE WATCHING AT HOME, THAT
07:20:38.411 THE FEMALE SENATORS WHO WILL
07:20:39.813 ULTIMATELY VOTE ON WHETHER NOT
07:20:41.348 TO CONFIRM HIM THOUGHT THAT IT
07:20:43.016 WAS HELPFUL TO SEE HIS EXCHANGE
07:20:45.318 WITH SENATOR FEINSTEIN.
07:20:48.588 I THINK WHAT HAS BEEN LOST IN
07:20:49.923 ALL OF THIS IS THAT, AT THE END
07:20:51.458 OF THE DAY, THIS IS A JOB
07:20:53.259 INTERVIEW.
07:20:53.894 IT IS A JOB INTERVIEW THAT IS
07:20:55.662 PLAYING OUT ON THE NATIONAL
07:20:57.630 STAGE AND THE WORLD STAGE.
07:21:00.367 BUT WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO,
07:21:01.801 WHAT HE IS VYING FOR IS A JOB
07:21:03.436 AS JUDGE FOR A LIFETIME ON THE
07:21:04.804 SUPREME COURT.
07:21:05.171 WHAT HE OUGHT TO HAVE BEEN
07:21:06.339 DOING IS TRYING TO PRESENT A
07:21:07.840 BALANCED SENSE.
07:21:10.710 IF HE ENDS UP SEATED ON THE
07:21:12.746 BENCH, AND THERE ARE
07:21:13.547 PROGRESSIVE GROUPS THAT COME
07:21:14.915 BEFORE HIM OR DEMOCRATIC CAUSES
07:21:18.418 THAT COME BEFORE HIM, IT IS
07:21:19.853 VERY CLEAR WHERE HE STANDS AND
07:21:21.054 IT FEELS LIKE HE WILL BE
07:21:22.322 HOLDING A GRUDGE.
07:21:23.222 >> AT THIS POINT, WE KNOW WHERE
07:21:29.629 HE STANDS WHEN IT COMES TO
07:21:30.931 CERTAIN PARTISAN ISSUES, IF
07:21:31.865 THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT
07:21:32.766 HOW HE WOULD VOTE ON SOME OF
07:21:34.201 THE KEY CASES THAT WE ARE
07:21:35.535 TALKING ABOUT THAT WILL COME
07:21:36.403 DOWN TO THE 5-4 SPLIT.
07:21:37.437 >> THAT IS THE KEY THING.
07:21:38.839 WITH A WHOLE DIFFERENT
07:21:39.573 CONVERSATION WEEKS AGO WHEN IT
07:21:40.373 WAS CONFIRMATION PROCESS.
07:21:41.174 I'D THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE
07:21:42.275 MIGHT'VE GONE ABOUT IT, BUT
07:21:43.310 WHAT IT IS ABOUT IS HIS
07:21:44.978 CREDIBILITY AND QUALIFICATIONS
07:21:48.348 TO BE THE NEXT SUPREME COURT
07:21:49.516 JUSTICE.
07:21:49.916 IF THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE,
07:21:50.917 IT IS THE RIGHT CONVERSATION TO
07:21:52.585 HAVE.
07:21:55.021 WHY SHOULD HE SIT ON THE COURT?
07:21:56.323 BUT HE DOES MAKE A GREAT POINT.
07:21:57.857 EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT A
07:21:59.292 TRIAL, AND THERE IS NOTE JURY
07:22:02.128 AND IT IS NOT ABOUT GUILT OR
07:22:03.663 INNOCENCE, WE DO LIVE IN A LAND
07:22:04.965 OF DUE PROCESS.
07:22:05.699 YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO BOTH
07:22:06.800 SIDES, ESPECIALLY ON THE SAME
07:22:08.234 DAY.
07:22:08.635 THERE IS SOMETHING LOST HERE
07:22:09.903 WHEN IT IS JUST ONE PERSON
07:22:11.538 SAYING ONE THING AND ONE PERSON
07:22:14.808 SAYING ANOTHER.
07:22:15.308 >> THIS IS NOT A TRIAL, IT IS
07:22:16.710 -- AN APPOINTMENT TO A VERY
07:22:18.411 IMPORTANT JOB.
07:22:19.446 WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT HOW IF
07:22:22.516 HE LOSES THE JOB, HE'S GOING TO
07:22:27.020 JAIL.
07:22:29.356 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A POSITION
07:22:30.156 ON THE SUPREME COURT FOR LIFE,
07:22:31.391 FOR WHOM THERE MAY BE BETTER
07:22:32.792 CANDIDATES OUT THERE.
07:22:33.426 >> ONE THING THAT I WILL ADD IS
07:22:34.828 THAT THERE IS A LOT MORE AT
07:22:36.262 STAKE.
07:22:36.495 HE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
07:22:37.797 WHAT HIS LIFE IS.
07:22:38.698 HE SAID I MAY NEVER BE ABLE TO
07:22:40.300 TEACH AGAIN OR COACH AGAIN.
07:22:41.334 BUT IF HE GOES BACK TO THE D.C.
07:22:42.869 CIRCUIT.
07:22:43.135 THERE HAS BEEN TALK THAT IF HE
07:22:44.437 HAS BEEN LYING UNDER OATH,
07:22:45.472 COULD HE BE POSSIBLY GROUNDS
07:22:46.940 FOR IMPEACHMENT?
07:22:50.043 THAT IS WAY TOO EARLY TO SAY,
07:22:51.344 BUT IT IS A CONVERSATION PEOPLE
07:22:53.079 ARE HAVING.
07:22:53.480 >> YOU WOULD NEED AN FBI
07:22:54.614 INVESTIGATION FOR THAT.
07:22:55.548 >> THAT IS WHAT IT'S GOING FOR.
07:23:00.387 IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THIS JOB,
07:23:01.721 IT'S THE OTHER ASPECTS OF HIS
07:23:03.289 LIFE.
07:23:04.891 IT IS THE BIGGEST JOB INTERVIEW
07:23:06.126 OF HIS LIFE, BUT IT TOUCHES
07:23:07.527 OTHER ASPECTS THAT HE NEVER
07:23:08.561 IMAGINED HE ACCEPTED, YES, YOU
07:23:09.362 CAN NOMINATE ME FOR THE SUPREME
07:23:11.197 COURT.
07:23:11.430 >> THAT IS THE SEVERITY OF IT.
07:23:14.834 IT FEELS LIKE GUILTY UNTIL
07:23:15.869 PROVEN INNOCENT.
07:23:16.269 HE IS TO GO THROUGH AND SAY NO.
07:23:18.905 HE WAS SHOWING CALENDARS AND
07:23:20.306 SAYING I HAVE VERY GOOD
07:23:22.375 DOCUMENTATION.
07:23:28.114 IF THIS WAS A COURT CASE, YOU'D
07:23:29.649 BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THAT AND
07:23:31.017 IT WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER
07:23:33.286 INFORMATION.
07:23:34.054 IT IS THE ABILITY TO COACH AND
07:23:38.925 TEACH, AND OTHER THINGS.
07:23:40.260 >> WE WILL SEE THAT MARK JUDGE
07:23:41.861 HAS WRITTEN A BOOK THAT MAY
07:23:43.897 PLACE HIM IN THE AREA, SO THERE
07:23:45.532 ARE OTHER STORIES OUT THERE
07:23:47.133 THAT COULD GET CLEARED UP IF HE
07:23:49.135 CAME IN TO TESTIFY, OR IF THERE
07:23:54.641 WAS AN FBI INVESTIGATION.
07:23:55.308 >> THAT IS WHY WE COME BACK TO
07:23:57.077 SAY THERE IS NO REAL WINNER.
07:23:58.278 WE PUSH THIS THROUGH.
07:23:58.912 IF THEY RUSH IT THROUGH.
07:23:59.913 THEY HAVE THE VOTE.
07:24:00.814 IF HE DOES GET SEATED, THERE
07:24:02.549 WILL STILL BE RAMIFICATIONS FOR
07:24:03.917 THAT, BECAUSE THE LENS, AS ANY
07:24:05.952 HUMAN, HE WILL SEE THINGS.
07:24:07.620 PART OF THE LAST TESTIMONY
07:24:09.723 SAYING THAT THE HOURS OF
07:24:13.259 TESTIMONIES, I DON'T HAVE A
07:24:14.160 PERSONAL AX TO GRIND.
07:24:18.031 HOW CAN YOU REALISTICALLY SAY
07:24:18.832 THAT AND JUST TURN THE PAGE,
07:24:20.600 WHEN AMERICA HAS NOT TURNED THE
07:24:24.304 PAGE.
07:24:24.504 >> TO THAT NOTE, THIS OPENS UP
07:24:25.805 SO MANY OTHER LAYERS NOW.
07:24:26.806 FOR SENATORS TO DECIDE WHETHER
07:24:28.441 TO CONFIRM HIM.
07:24:29.375 IT IS NOT JUST WHETHER YOU
07:24:33.113 BELIEVE THESE ALLEGATIONS, IT
07:24:33.813 IS WHETHER YOU BELIEVE JUDGE
07:24:36.616 KAVANAUGH IS NOT TOO PARTISAN
07:24:39.319 FOR THE COURT.
07:24:42.589 IF YOU BELIEVE THAT HE HAS THE
07:24:43.823 CREDIBILITY TO STAND ON THE
07:24:45.258 COURT.
07:24:45.491 THERE SO MANY LAYERS NOW THAT
07:24:46.459 HAVE OPENED UP.
07:24:47.160 WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE
07:24:48.094 HIM TALK ABOUT TRYING TO APPEAL
07:24:51.998 TO SAY, IMAGINE YOUR HUSBAND,
07:24:54.334 YOUR SON, KIND OF FLIP THE
07:24:59.439 VICTIM CARD ON ITS HEAD WHEN
07:25:06.346 PEOPLE WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH
07:25:07.447 THIS, SAY THINK ABOUT YOUR
07:25:08.381 MOTHER OR YOUR SISTER, OR WOMEN
07:25:09.683 IN YOUR LIFE.
07:25:10.216 HE IS TRYING TO FLIP THAT ON
07:25:11.618 ITS HEAD.
07:25:12.152 WE WILL SEE.
07:25:13.086 >> THAT WAS ONE OF THE
07:25:16.322 STRONGEST PARTS OF WHAT HE WAS
07:25:17.357 SAYING, WE SHOW THE PERSONAL
07:25:18.591 NATURE OF HOW ALL OF THIS HAS
07:25:20.193 HAD ON HIS LIFE.
07:25:21.561 I THINK HE CAME ACROSS LESS
07:25:25.598 COMPELLING WHEN SENATOR
07:25:26.665 FEINSTEIN WAS INTERVIEWING HIM.
07:25:31.538 HE WAS COMBATIVE AND VERGING ON
07:25:32.771 DISRESPECTFUL.
07:25:33.373 IT WILL BE INTERESTING GOING
07:25:34.174 FORWARD TO SEE IF HE CHALLENGE
07:25:36.209 -- CHANNELS THE ANGER IN AN
07:25:38.178 APPROPRIATE WAY OR OR, IF WHEN
07:25:44.350 SPEAKING TO FEMALE SENATORS,
07:25:45.151 THE OPTICS CHANGE.
07:25:45.952 HIS TONE.
07:25:46.219 IS ROLLING HIS EYES.
07:25:51.491 I THINK ANYBODY IN THAT
07:25:52.458 SITUATION, IT IS SO
07:25:54.260 EXTRAORDINARY.
07:25:54.627 WE CANNOT PUT ENOUGH OF A POINT
07:26:02.836 ON THAT.
07:26:03.269 HOW EXTRAORDINARY IT IS.
07:26:04.037 SO PERSONAL.
07:26:04.370 SUCH STRANGE THINGS WE'RE
07:26:05.238 TALKING ABOUT.
07:26:05.605 AND THE SENATORS, ESPECIALLY
07:26:06.840 THE REPUBLICAN WHAT ON THE
07:26:08.608 RIGHT, COULD YOU SOME
07:26:09.876 SENSITIVITY TRAINING.
07:26:13.780 THE BREAK THAT WE HAD, EVERY
07:26:15.014 MAJOR CORPORATION HAS SOME SORT
07:26:15.815 OF, LET'S GET WITH THE MODERN
07:26:17.250 CENTURY.
07:26:17.517 BUT I FEEL LIKE WHEN WE LISTEN
07:26:18.651 TO THE SENATORS, WE'RE BACK IN
07:26:20.086 THE 1800S.
07:26:20.486 IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO LEARN
07:26:25.091 HOW TO COMMUNICATE.
07:26:25.624 >> IT'S A NEXT ORDINARY
07:26:26.626 AFTERNOON, BECAUSE WE LISTENING
07:26:27.627 TO TWO PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO
07:26:29.062 GENUINELY BELIEVE THERE STORIES
07:26:30.063 100%.
07:26:30.263 >> AND LET EVERYBODY STEP BACK
07:26:33.533 AND IMAGINE THAT YOU ARE EITHER
07:26:34.534 BRETT KAVANAUGH OR DR. FORD.
07:26:37.537 FROM A REALISTIC PERSPECTIVE,
07:26:38.471 HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ACT UP
07:26:39.973 THERE?
07:26:40.206 YOU'RE GOING TO ACT THE WAY
07:26:41.207 THAT HE IS ACTING, OR IF YOU
07:26:43.843 THINK ABOUT HOW DR. FORD WAS
07:26:45.278 ABLE TO GET THE STORY FORWARD
07:26:46.279 AND PEOPLE WORSE OPTICAL OF
07:26:50.350 THAT, SHE SPOKE TO HER FRIENDS
07:26:51.384 OF THE BEACH AND HAD NO IDEA ON
07:26:53.186 HOW TO GET THE LEGAL PROCESS
07:26:54.320 GOING.
07:26:54.621 THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT SOMEONE IN
07:26:55.855 THAT POSITION WOULD DO.
07:26:56.589 >> I'M GOING TO POINT OUT THAT
07:26:57.891 JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS SAT BACK
07:26:58.925 DOWN.
07:26:59.125 THE QUESTION WILL RESUME.
07:27:00.226 SO LET'S LISTEN IN.
07:27:25.919 >> SENATOR LEAHY.
07:27:27.520 >> JUDGE, YOU SAID BEFORE, THAT
07:27:32.325 MARK JUDGE WAS A CLOSE FRIEND
07:27:33.660 OF YOURS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
07:27:34.960 NOW, DR. FORD, AS YOU KNOW, HAS
07:27:37.730 SAID THAT HE WAS IN THE ROOM
07:27:41.467 WHEN SHE WAS ATTACKED.
07:27:42.201 SHE ALSO SAID THAT YOU ARE AS
07:27:43.836 WELL.
07:27:45.605 UNFORTUNATELY, THE FBI HAS
07:27:46.439 NEVER INTERVIEWED HIM.
07:27:49.075 WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO HAVE
07:27:51.511 HIS ATTENDANCE HERE.
07:27:55.014 THE CHAIRMAN REFUSES TO CALL
07:27:57.617 HIM.
07:28:04.123 IF SHE SAYING THAT MARK JUDGE
07:28:05.158 WAS IN THE ROOM THEN, HE SHOULD
07:28:06.793 BE IN THE ROOM HERE TODAY.
07:28:07.794 WOULD YOU WANT HIM CALLED AS A
07:28:11.030 WITNESS?
07:28:13.900 >> SENATOR, THIS ALLEGATION
07:28:17.804 CAME INTO THE COMMITTEE?
07:28:19.071 >> I'M JUST ASKING THE
07:28:23.810 QUESTION.
07:28:24.077 WOULD LIKE HIM TO BE AS A
07:28:25.311 WITNESS?
07:28:25.577 >> HE HAS ALREADY PROVIDED
07:28:27.013 SWORN TESTIMONY.
07:28:30.483 >> IT HAS NOT BEEN INVESTIGATED
07:28:31.750 BY THE FBI.
07:28:33.086 THE COMMITTEE HAS REFUSED TO
07:28:34.153 ALLOW TO BE.
07:28:35.021 >> IT WAS DROPPED ON ME.
07:28:38.858 WAS FROM.
07:28:39.258 >> IT WAS CONFISCATED BY THE
07:28:40.293 FBI.
07:28:40.493 IT HAS NOT BEEN CALLED.
07:28:44.364 >> IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HAPPENED
07:28:45.565 IN DUE COURSE, SENATOR.
07:28:46.366 WHEN IT CAME IN.
07:28:47.400 >> I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT.
07:28:48.634 I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMITTEE FOR
07:28:50.236 44 YEARS.
07:28:50.970 WITH BOTH PUBLICANS AND GRASS.
07:28:53.973 NEVER SEEN ANYONE THAT CRITICAL
07:28:55.008 AND NOT ALLOW THEM TO BE CALLED
07:29:03.182
07:29:03.416 MONEY.
07:29:03.649 >> HE HAS PROVIDED SWORN
07:29:05.084 TESTIMONY.
07:29:07.420 THE ALLEGATION CAME IN WEEKS
07:29:09.589 AGO.
07:29:10.256 NOTHING WAS DONE WITH IT I THE
07:29:14.827 RANKING MEMBER.
07:29:15.328 THAN IT WAS FROM ON ME.
07:29:16.462 >> JUDGE KAVANAUGH, I HAVE
07:29:18.765 HEARD YOUR LINE AND YOU HAVE
07:29:19.999 STATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
07:29:21.100 BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS, HE
07:29:23.703 AUTHORED A BOOK TITLED "WASTED,
07:29:28.007 TALES OF A X DRUNK."
07:29:32.412 HE MENTIONS SOMEONE NAMED
07:29:36.849 KAVANAUGH.
07:29:37.149 IS THAT YOU HE IS TALKING
07:29:38.151 ABOUT?
07:29:38.384 >> SENATOR, MARK JUDGE --
07:29:41.587 >> IS THAT YOU THAT HE WAS
07:29:45.658 TALKING ABOUT?
07:29:46.025 >> IF YOU WILL LET ME PROCEED.
07:29:50.963 MARK JUDGE WAS A FRIEND OF OURS
07:29:52.398 IN HIGH SCHOOL.
07:29:53.099 HE DEVELOPED A VERY SERIOUS
07:29:54.567 TRICKING PROBLEM.
07:29:56.102 AN ADDICTION PROBLEM.
07:29:57.236 IT LASTED DECADES AND WAS VERY
07:30:00.273 DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO ESCAPE
07:30:01.574 FROM.
07:30:04.444 HE NEARLY DIED.
07:30:05.711 THEN HE HAD LEUKEMIA AS WELL ON
07:30:08.715 TOP OF THAT.
07:30:09.682 NOW, AS PART OF HIS THERAPY AND
07:30:13.719 PART OF HIS COMING TO GRIPS
07:30:14.921 WITH SOBRIETY, HE WROTE A BOOK.
07:30:16.589 IT IS A FICTIONALIZED BOOK AND
07:30:19.892 AN ACCOUNT. I THINK YOU PICKED
07:30:22.695 OUT NAMES OF FRIENDS OF OURS TO
07:30:24.263 THROW THE MEN AS CLOSE TO FOUR
07:30:28.534 CHARACTERS IN THE GROUP BOOK.
07:30:36.042 >> WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT
07:30:37.243 IS YOU ARE NOT.
07:30:37.877 >> WE CAN SAY THERE AND MAKE
07:30:39.278 FUN OF SOME GUY WHO HAS AN
07:30:40.913 ADDICTION, BUT I DON'T THINK
07:30:41.714 THAT MAKES --
07:30:42.548 >> I'M TRYING TO GET A STRAIGHT
07:30:43.749 ANSWER FROM YOU UNDER OATH.
07:30:45.318 ARE YOU THE BARGE KAVANAUGH
07:30:50.289 THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO .
07:30:51.691 >> YOU HAVE TO ASK HIM.
07:30:54.360 >> I AGREE WITH YOU THERE.
07:30:58.231 THAT'S WHY WAS THE CHAIRMAN HAD
07:30:59.332 HIM HERE UNDER OATH.
07:31:00.133 YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR YEARBOOK.
07:31:03.302 IN YOUR YEARBOOK, YOU TALKED
07:31:06.305 ABOUT DRINKING AND SEXUAL
07:31:10.542 EXPLOITS, DID YOU NOT?
07:31:11.911 >> SENATOR, LET ME TAKE A STEP
07:31:15.848 BACK AND EXPLAIN HIGH SCHOOL.
07:31:20.920 I WAS NUMBER 1 IN THE CLASS.
07:31:24.090 >> THAT IS OTHER.
07:31:26.993 >> NO.
07:31:27.860 I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY HIGH
07:31:29.629 SCHOOL.
07:31:30.096 NO!
07:31:30.496 >> LET HIM ANSWER.
07:31:32.932 >> I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY
07:31:34.367 HIGH SCHOOL RECORD IF YOU'RE
07:31:36.102 GOING TO MOCK ME.
07:31:36.602 >> I THINK WE WERE ARE -- ALL
07:31:41.039 VERY GENEROUS WITH DOCTOR FOR.
07:31:46.913 >> I BUSTED MY BUTT WITH
07:31:48.581 ACADEMICS.
07:31:49.982 I FINISHED NUMBER 1 IN THE
07:31:50.983 CLASS.
07:31:51.751 FRESHMAN AND JUNIOR YEAR, I WAS
07:31:56.088 ALWAYS UP AT THE TOP.
07:31:59.859 I PLAYED SPORTS.
07:32:00.660 I WAS CAPTAIN OF THE VARSITY
07:32:01.694 BASKETBALL TEAM.
07:32:02.562 I WAS WIDE RECEIVER AND
07:32:04.463 DEFENSIVE BACK ON THE FOOTBALL
07:32:06.099 TEAM.
07:32:06.299 I RAN TRACK IN THE SPRING OF 82
07:32:08.701 TO GET FASTER.
07:32:13.439 I DID MY SERVICE PROJECTS AT
07:32:14.340 THE SCHOOL.
07:32:14.874 IT INVOLVES GOING TO THE SOUP
07:32:15.975 KITCHEN DOWNTOWN.
07:32:16.375 LET ME FINISH.
07:32:17.009 AND GOING TO TUTOR
07:32:18.778 INTELLECTUALLY DISABLED KIDS AT
07:32:20.846 THE ROCKVILLE LIBRARY.
07:32:22.115 WITH THE CHURCH.
07:32:23.683 YES, WE GOT TOGETHER WITH OUR
07:32:25.451 FRIENDS.
07:32:25.918 >> DOES THIS REFLECT WHO YOU
07:32:27.954 ARE?
07:32:28.187 DOES THIS YEARBOOK REFLECT YOUR
07:32:31.457 FOCUS ON ACADEMICS AND RESPECT
07:32:33.226 FOR WOMEN?
07:32:33.693 THIS IS EASY.
07:32:34.927 YES OR NO.
07:32:36.929 DOES THIS REFLECT YOUR FOCUS?
07:32:42.001 >> ALREADY SAID IN MY OPENING
07:32:43.002 STATEMENT.
07:32:43.335 >> WAIT A MINUTE.
07:32:44.570 HE HAS ASKED THE QUESTION, I
07:32:46.272 WILL GIVE YOU TIME TO ANSWER.
07:32:49.275 >> YEARBOOK, AS I SAID IN MY
07:32:50.810 OPENING STATEMENT, WAS
07:32:51.410 SOMETHING WHERE THE STUDENTS
07:32:53.079 AND EDITORS MADE A DECISION TO
07:32:57.216 TREAT SOME OF IT AS FAR AS AND
07:33:01.587 SOME OF IT AS EXAGGERATION,
07:33:02.554 SOME OF THE CELEBRATING THINGS
07:33:03.656 THAT DO NOT REFLECT THE CENTRAL
07:33:05.458 PART OF OUR SCHOOL.
07:33:06.692 YES, WE WENT TO PARTIES.
07:33:09.228 OF COURSE, WE WENT TO PARTIES.
07:33:12.898 THE YEARBOOK PAGE DESCRIBES
07:33:13.498 THAT AND MAKES FUN OF IT.
07:33:16.736 IF WE WANTED TO SIT HERE AND
07:33:18.337 TALK ABOUT WHETHER A SUPREME
07:33:19.138 COURT NOMINATION SHOULD BE
07:33:19.939 BASED ON A HIGH SCHOOL YEARBOOK
07:33:21.706 PAGE, THAT IS TAKING US TO A
07:33:26.646 NEW LEVEL OF ABSURDITY.
07:33:27.813 >> SO MS. MITCHELL, WE HAVE A
07:33:32.451 FILIBUSTER GOING ON WITH A
07:33:33.352 SINGLE ANSWER.
07:33:33.786 >> MS. MITCHELL.
07:33:35.621 >> JUDGE, DO YOU STILL HAVE
07:33:37.657 YOUR CALENDAR THERE?
07:33:39.025 >> I DO.
07:33:40.926 >> I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT
07:33:42.929 THE JULY 1 ENTRY.
07:33:49.969 >> YES.
07:33:50.269 >> THE ENTRY SAYS, AND I QUOTE,
07:33:53.005 "GO TO TIMMY'S WITH SKIS." TO
07:34:02.815 WHAT DOES THIS REFER, AND TO
07:34:06.419 WHOM?
07:34:07.019 >> FIRST, IT SAYS TOBIN'S HOUSE
07:34:11.590 WORK OUT, SO THAT IS ONE OF THE
07:34:13.426 FOOTBALL WORKOUTS THAT WE WOULD
07:34:14.460 HAVE.
07:34:17.897 IT WAS FOR GUYS IN THE FOOTBALL
07:34:22.368 TEAM.
07:34:23.969 SO WE WOULD BE THERE.
07:34:25.271 THAT IS USUALLY FROM 6:00 UNTIL
07:34:26.372 8:00 OR SO, TELL ME YOUR --
07:34:30.042 UNTIL NEAR DARK.
07:34:30.442 THE WE WOULD GO TO TIMMY'S.
07:34:34.914 DO WANT TO KNOW THE LAST NAMES?
07:34:36.315 I'M HAPPY TO DO IT.
07:34:37.450 >> IF YOU COULD JUST IDENTIFY,
07:34:38.784 IS JUDGE MARK JUDGE?
07:34:41.921 >> IT IS.
07:34:42.454 >> AND HIS PJ PJ SMITH?
07:34:44.690 >> IT IS TIM, TOM KANE, BERNIE
07:34:50.930 McCARTHY, CHRIS GARRETT.
07:34:52.130 >> CHRIS GARRETT IS KLOBUCHAR?
07:35:00.906 >> YES.
07:35:01.440 >> DID YOU FREQUENTLY DOCUMENT
07:35:05.945 IN YOUR CALENDAR, HOUSE PARTIES
07:35:10.049 OR PARTIES WITH FRIENDS IN YOUR
07:35:11.484 CALENDAR?
07:35:11.751 >> IT APPEARS THAT WAY.
07:35:13.919 THAT IS WHAT I WAS DOING IN THE
07:35:15.621 SUMMER OF 1982.
07:35:16.389 YOU CAN SEE THIS REFLECTED ON
07:35:17.390 SEVERAL OF THE ENTRIES.
07:35:18.723 >> IF A GATHERING LIKE DR. FORD
07:35:22.027 HAS DESCRIBED HAD OCCURRED,
07:35:23.095 WOULD YOU HAVE DOCUMENTED THAT?
07:35:26.098 >> YES.
07:35:27.366 I DOCUMENTED EVERYTHING. THOSE
07:35:31.003 KINDS OF EVENTS, EVEN SMALL GET-
07:35:34.307 TOGETHERS. AUGUST 7 IS ANOTHER
07:35:35.441 GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE I
07:35:36.442 DOCUMENTED A SMALL GET TOGETHER
07:35:38.844 THAT SUMMER.
07:35:40.346 SO YES.
07:35:40.779 >> AUGUST 7, COULD YOU READ
07:35:48.421 THAT?
07:35:48.621 >> IT SAYS GO TO BECKY'S. MATT,
07:35:55.227 DENISE, LAURIE, JENNY.
07:36:04.870 >> HAVE YOU REVIEWED EVERY
07:36:05.805 ENTRY THAT IS IN THESE CALENDARS
07:36:11.310 OF MAY, JUNE, JULY, AND AUGUST
07:36:12.712 1982.
07:36:13.012 >> I HAVE.
07:36:13.612 >> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT COULD
07:36:15.014 EVEN REMOTELY FIT WHAT WE ARE
07:36:17.383 TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF DR.
07:36:18.917 FORD'S ALLEGATIONS?
07:36:20.486 >> NO.
07:36:24.623 >> AS A LAWYER AND A JUDGE,
07:36:26.758 ARGUE -- WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT
07:36:32.064 THE FBI.
07:36:32.330 ARE YOU AWARE THAT THIS TYPE OF
07:36:33.566 OFFENSE WOULD ACTUALLY BE
07:36:34.400 INVESTIGATED BY LOCAL POLICE?
07:36:37.436 >> YES.
07:36:37.803 I MENTIONED MONTGOMERY COUNTY
07:36:40.039 POLICE EARLIER.
07:36:40.439 >> ARE YOU AWARE THAT IN
07:36:42.474 MARYLAND, THERE IS NO STATUTE
07:36:45.478 OF LIMITATIONS THAT WOULD
07:36:46.745 PROHIBIT YOU BEING CHARGED,
07:36:49.782 EVEN IF THIS HAPPENED IN 1982?
07:36:51.617 >> THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
07:36:56.722 >> HAVE YOU, AT ANY TIME, BEEN
07:36:58.257 CONTACTED BY ANY MEMBERS OF
07:36:59.158 LOCAL POLICE AGENCIES REGARDING
07:37:00.926 THIS MATTER?
07:37:02.928 >> NO.
07:37:07.166 >> PRIOR TO YOUR NOMINATION FOR
07:37:09.735 SUPREME COURT, YOU TALKED ABOUT
07:37:12.137 ALL OF THE FEMALE CLERKS THAT
07:37:13.339 YOU HAVE HAD AND THE THAT YOU
07:37:15.007 HAVE WORKED WITH.
07:37:16.809 I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT
07:37:17.610 THEM.
07:37:18.010 I'M TALKING ABOUT GLOBALLY.
07:37:21.480 HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ACCUSED,
07:37:22.448 EITHER FORMALLY OR INFORMALLY OF
07:37:29.421 UNWANTED SEXUAL BEHAVIOR?
07:37:30.156 >> NO.
07:37:30.456 >> WHEN I SAY INFORMALLY, I
07:37:31.857 MEAN A FEMALE COMPLAINT.
07:37:32.658 DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TO ANYBODY
07:37:33.893 ELSE BUT YOU.
07:37:34.960 >> NO.
07:37:35.193 >> SINCE DR. FORD'S ALLEGATION
07:37:39.798 WAS MADE PUBLIC, HOW MANY TIMES
07:37:41.567 HAVE YOU BEEN INTERVIEWED BY
07:37:43.802 THE COMMITTEE?
07:37:46.138 >> IT HAS BEEN THREE OR FOUR.
07:37:54.480 I AM TRYING TO REMEMBER NOW.
07:37:55.714 IT HAS BEEN SEVERAL TIMES.
07:37:56.715 EACH OF THESE NEW THINGS, AS
07:38:04.957 ABSURD AS THEY ARE, WE WOULD GO
07:38:06.392 ON THE PHONE TO GO THROUGH
07:38:07.426 THEM.
07:38:07.793 >> SO HAVE YOU SUBMITTED TWO
07:38:10.362 INTERVIEWS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT
07:38:11.230 DR. FORD'S ALLEGATION?
07:38:13.532 >> WHAT ABOUT DEBORAH RAMIREZ IS
07:38:19.872 ALLEGATION?
07:38:20.706 HOW ABOUT MS. SWETNICK'S
07:38:24.577 ALLEGATION ABOUT DRUGGING AND
07:38:37.690 RAPING OR ALLOWING WOMEN TO BE
07:38:38.891 GANG RAPED?
07:38:39.191 >> YES.
07:38:39.725 I HAVE BEEN INTERVIEWED ABOUT
07:38:40.726 IT.
07:38:40.926 >> WERE YOUR ANSWERS TO MY
07:38:41.927 QUESTIONS TODAY CONSISTENT WITH
07:38:42.962 THE ANSWERS THAT YOU GAVE TO
07:38:44.163 THE COMMITTEE IN THESE VARIOUS
07:38:45.197 INTERVIEWS?
07:38:45.497 >> YES.
07:38:45.730 >>
07:38:45.897 >> SENATOR DURBIN, JUDGE
07:38:47.066 KAVANAUGH, DOCTOR CHRISTINE FORD
07:38:49.868 WAS IN THE SAME CHAIR.
07:38:55.708 SHE SAID CLEARLY AND
07:38:56.742 UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT SHE WAS OF
07:38:57.643 THE VICTIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AT
07:38:58.978 YOUR HANDS.
07:38:59.378 SHE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS
07:39:00.079 DIRECTLY INTO NOT FLINCH AT THE
07:39:01.613 IDEA OF SO MANY HERSELF TO AN
07:39:03.449 FBI INVESTIGATION OF THE
07:39:04.683 CHARGES.
07:39:08.320 WE KNOW, AND I'M SURE SHE HAS
07:39:09.788 BEEN ADVISED BY HER ATTORNEYS,
07:39:10.789 THAT A PERSON LYING TO THE FBI
07:39:12.191 CAN FACE CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.
07:39:13.025 YOU HAVE CLEARLY AND
07:39:13.826 UNEQUIVOCALLY DENIED THE YOU
07:39:14.927 ASSAULTED DR. FORD.
07:39:17.496 WITH THAT STATEMENT, YOU MUST
07:39:18.764 BELIEVE, THAT THERE IS NO
07:39:21.267 CREDIBLE EVIDENCE OR ANY
07:39:21.967 CREDIBLE WITNESS THAT CAN PROVE
07:39:23.435 OTHERWISE.
07:39:24.803 YOU STARTED OFF WITH AN
07:39:27.406 IMPASSIONED STATEMENT AT THE
07:39:28.440 BEGINNING.
07:39:29.241 I CAN IMAGINE, TRY TO IMAGINE,
07:39:33.679 WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH AND
07:39:34.713 YOUR FAMILY HAS BEEN THROUGH.
07:39:36.048 I'M SURE WOULD NOT GET CLOSE TO
07:39:37.249 IT.
07:39:37.449 >> YOU WOULD NOT.
07:39:38.384 >> I'M SURE I WOULD NOT.
07:39:39.385 IN THE COURSE OF IT, HE SAID, I
07:39:41.386 WELCOME ANY KIND OF
07:39:43.288 INVESTIGATION.
07:39:44.189 I QUOTE YOU.
07:39:46.025 I WELCOME ANY KIND OF
07:39:48.160 INVESTIGATION.
07:39:48.661 I HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR YOU.
07:39:50.696 RIGHT NOW.
07:39:51.297 TURN TO YOUR LEFT AND THE FRONT
07:39:53.499 ROW, TO DON McGAHN, COUNSEL TO
07:39:58.070 PRESIDENT TRUMP, ASK HIM TO
07:39:59.872 SUSPEND THE HEARING AND
07:40:00.939 NOMINATION PROCESS UNTIL THE
07:40:02.341 FBI COMPLETES ITS INVESTIGATION
07:40:05.077 OF THE CHARGES MADE BY DR. FORD
07:40:07.012 AND OTHERS AND GO TO BRING THE
07:40:09.949 WITNESSES FORWARD AND PROVIDE
07:40:10.916 THE INFORMATION TO THE HEARING.
07:40:15.354 I AM SURE THAT THE CHAIRMAN AT
07:40:16.789 THAT POINT, WILL UNDERSTAND
07:40:17.423 THAT THAT IS A REASONABLE
07:40:18.990 REQUEST. TO FINALLY PUT TO REST
07:40:20.826 THESE CHARGES, IF THEY ARE
07:40:23.195 FALSE, OR TO PROVE THEM IF THEY
07:40:24.630 ARE NOT.
07:40:25.130 YOU SPENT 2 YEARS IN THE WHITE
07:40:26.899 HOUSE OFFICE THAT APPROVED
07:40:29.301 JUDICIAL NOMINEES.
07:40:30.135 YOU TURNED TO THE FBI OVER AND
07:40:32.404 OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR THEIR
07:40:33.872 WORK.
07:40:34.907 LET'S BRING THEM IN HERE AND
07:40:36.075 NOW.
07:40:36.275 TURNED TO DON McGAHN AND TELL
07:40:38.911 HIM, IT IS TIME TO GET THIS
07:40:40.779 DONE.
07:40:42.981 IN FBI INVESTIGATION IS THE
07:40:44.183 ONLY WAY TO ANSWER SOME OF
07:40:45.617 THESE QUESTIONS.
07:40:46.017 >> STOP THE CLOCK.
07:40:49.288 THIS COMMITTEE IS RUNNING THIS
07:40:50.756 HEARING.
07:40:51.323 NOT THE WHITE HOUSE, NOT DON
07:40:54.560 McGAHN, NOT EVEN YOU AS THE
07:40:58.497 NOMINEE.
07:40:59.665 WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE DR.
07:41:02.934 FORD ASKED FOR AN OPPORTUNITY
07:41:05.871 HERE.
07:41:08.340 I KNOW YOU DID AS WELL.
07:41:09.575 EFFECT, MAYBE EVEN BEFORE SHE
07:41:10.809 DID.
07:41:11.009 WE ARE HERE BECAUSE PEOPLE
07:41:12.211 WANTED TO BE HEARD FROM CHARGES
07:41:14.813 THAT THEY ALL THOUGHT WERE
07:41:16.915 UNFAIR.
07:41:17.449 OR ACTIVITIES, LIKE SEXUAL
07:41:19.118 ASSAULT, WAS UNFAIR.
07:41:20.953 SO I WANT TO ASSURE SENATOR
07:41:24.623 DURBIN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU
07:41:26.925 SAY TO SENATOR DON McGAHN,
07:41:28.394 WE'RE NOT SUSPENDING THIS
07:41:30.596 HEARING.
07:41:31.964 PROCEED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
07:41:37.035 >> I WILL JUST SAY THIS.
07:41:38.570 IF YOU, JUDGE KAVANAUGH, TURNED
07:41:42.207 TO DON McGAHN AND TO THE
07:41:44.108 COMMITTEE AND SAY, FOR THE SAKE
07:41:50.482 OF MY REPUTATION, MY FAMILY
07:41:51.517 NAME, AND TO GET TO THE BOTTOM
07:41:52.851 OF THE TRUTH OF THIS, I'M NOT
07:41:54.486 GOING TO BE AN OBSTACLE TO AN
07:41:55.888 FBI INVESTIGATION.
07:41:56.355 I WOULD HOPE THAT ALL MEMBERS
07:41:57.556 OF THE COMMITTEE WOULD JOIN ME
07:41:58.557 IN SAYING THAT WE WOULD ABIDE
07:42:00.225 BY YOUR WISHES AND HAVE THE
07:42:01.293 INVESTIGATION.
07:42:01.660 >> I WELCOME WHATEVER THE
07:42:02.628 COMMITTEE WANTS TO DO.
07:42:04.463 I'M TELLING THE TRUTH.
07:42:05.464 >> I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE
07:42:10.235 DOING.
07:42:10.802 >> I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANT
07:42:12.337 TO DO.
07:42:12.738 >> I AM INNOCENT.
07:42:13.572 I'M INNOCENT OF THE CHARGE.
07:42:14.673 >> YOU WANT THE FBI
07:42:15.808 INVESTIGATION?
07:42:16.175 >> THEY DON'T COME TO
07:42:18.644 CONCLUSIONS.
07:42:18.977 >> YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH
07:42:20.279 WAYS.
07:42:20.479 YOU CANNOT SAY IT THE BEGINNING
07:42:22.314 SAY THAT YOU WELCOME ANY KIND OF
07:42:27.519 INVESTIGATION.
07:42:27.986 >> THIS THING WAS SPRUNG ON ME.
07:42:29.521 IT WAS FUN AT THE LAST MINUTE
07:42:30.656 AFTER BEING HELD BY STAFF.
07:42:32.224 YOU KNOW.
07:42:34.726 I CALLED FOR HEARING
07:42:35.527 IMMEDIATELY.
07:42:35.860 >> IF THERE IS NO TRUTH TO HER
07:42:37.563 CHARGES, THE FBI INVESTIGATION
07:42:38.931 WILL SHOW THAT.
07:42:40.299 ARE YOU AFRAID THAT THEY MIGHT
07:42:41.900 NOT?
07:42:43.869 >> COME ON.
07:42:44.469 >> THE FBI DOES NOT REACH
07:42:48.106 CONCLUSIONS.
07:42:48.439 YOU KNOW THAT.
07:42:48.907 YOU KNOW THAT IS A PHONY
07:42:50.342 QUESTION.
07:42:50.609 THE FBI DOES NOT REACH
07:42:51.543 CONCLUSIONS, THE JUST PROVIDE A
07:42:52.944 302.
07:42:53.979 SOMETIMES WHEN THE PEOPLE WHO
07:42:55.013 DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT IS, THEY
07:42:56.448 JUST GO AND DO WHAT YOU ARE
07:42:58.450 DOING.
07:42:58.683 ASKED QUESTIONS AND THEN TYPE
07:42:59.484 UP A REPORT.
07:43:05.190 THEY DO NOT REACH THE BOTTOM
07:43:06.625 LINE.
07:43:06.825 >> I ASKED DR. FORD, ASKED
07:43:08.026 ABOUT THIS INCIDENT WHERE SHE
07:43:09.061 RAN INTO MARK JUDGE AT SAFEWAY.
07:43:10.162 SHE SAID, SURE, I REMEMBER.
07:43:11.163 IT WAS SIX OR EIGHT WEEKS AFTER
07:43:12.698 THE OCCURRENCE.
07:43:13.098 SOMEONE AT THE WASHINGTON POST
07:43:13.932 TOOK A LOOK AT HIS BOOK AND WAS
07:43:15.967 ABLE TO SELECT WHAT HE WROTE
07:43:20.172 ABOUT HIS ADDICTION AND
07:43:21.206 ALCOHOLISM.
07:43:21.607 THEY'VE NARROWED IT DOWN TO
07:43:22.441 WHAT THEY THINK IS A PERIOD OF
07:43:24.243 TIME.
07:43:24.443 SIX OR EIGHT WEEKS AFTER THE
07:43:25.877 EVENT.
07:43:27.713 HE WOULD HAVE BEEN WORKING AT
07:43:29.014 THE SAFEWAY AT THAT POINT.
07:43:32.384 THE POINT I'M GETTING TO, IS
07:43:33.619 THAT WE CAN CONNECT SOME DOTS
07:43:35.120 HERE AND GET SOME INFORMATION.
07:43:35.854 WHY WOULD YOU RESIST THAT KIND
07:43:44.997 OF INVESTIGATION?
07:43:45.397 >> DOTS.
07:43:45.797 >> WHY WOULD YOU RESIST THE
07:43:46.932 KIND OF INVESTIGATION?
07:43:47.733 >> I WANTED THE HEARING LAST
07:43:48.667 WEEK.
07:43:49.067 >> I'M ASKING ABOUT THE FBI
07:43:50.202 INVESTIGATION.
07:43:50.569 >> THE COMMITTEE FIGURES OUT
07:43:51.503 HOW TO ASK THE QUESTIONS.
07:43:52.270 I'LL DO WHATEVER.
07:43:52.905 I'VE BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH
07:43:54.773 COMMITTEE COUNSEL.
07:43:55.206 >> JUDGE KAVANAUGH, WILL YOU
07:43:57.142 SUPPORT AN FBI INVESTIGATION
07:43:57.809 RIGHT NOW?
07:43:58.377 >> I WILL DO WHATEVER THE
07:43:59.378 COMMITTEE WANTS.
07:43:59.912 >> PERSONALLY, DO YOU THINK
07:44:00.812 THAT IS THE BEST THING FOR US
07:44:02.781 TO DO?
07:44:06.718 DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER?
07:44:08.120 >> LOOK, SENATOR.
07:44:12.224 I HAVE SAID THAT I WANT TO THE
07:44:13.659 HEARING.
07:44:13.926 I SAID THAT I WAS WELCOMING
07:44:16.061 ANYTHING.
07:44:16.328 I AM INNOCENT.
07:44:17.596 THIS THING WAS HELD. IT WAS
07:44:21.066 HELD WHEN IT COULD HAVE BEEN
07:44:22.434 PRESENTED IN AN ORDINARY WAY.
07:44:23.802 IT COULD HAVE BEEN HELD AND
07:44:25.771 HANDLED CONFIDENTIALITY AT
07:44:27.606 FIRST.
07:44:28.340 WHICH IS WHAT DR. FORD'S WISHES
07:44:32.110 WERE, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT.
07:44:33.312 IT WOULD NOT HAVE DESTROYED MY
07:44:34.446 FAMILY LIKE THIS EFFORT HAS.
07:44:37.382 >> I THINK IN FBI INVESTIGATION
07:44:39.818 WILL HELP ALL OF US ON BOTH
07:44:41.353 SIDES OF THE ISSUE.
07:44:43.021 >> SENATOR GRAHAM ASKS FOR THE
07:44:45.724 FLOOR.
07:44:46.391 BEFORE HE DOES, IT SEEMS TO ME
07:44:53.865 THAT IF YOU WANT TO KNOW
07:44:55.300 SOMETHING, YOU HAVE THE WITNESS
07:44:56.101 RIGHT HERE TO ASK HIM AND
07:44:57.336 SECONDLY, IF YOU WANT IN FBI
07:44:58.936 REPORTS, YOU CAN ASK FOR IT
07:45:01.172 YOURSELF.
07:45:02.574 I HAVE ASKED FOR FBI REPORTS IN
07:45:04.543 THE PAST.
07:45:05.410 IN THE 38 YEARS THAT I HAVE
07:45:07.012 BEEN IN THE SENATE.
07:45:08.146 >> ARE YOU AWARE THAT AT 9:23
07:45:13.819 ON THE NIGHT OF JULY 9, THE DAY
07:45:18.357 YOU WERE NOMINATED TO THE
07:45:19.257 SUPREME COURT, BY PRESIDENT
07:45:20.492 TRUMP, SENATOR SCHUMER SAID, 23
07:45:23.095 MINUTES AFTER NOMINATION, I
07:45:26.865 WILL OPPOSE JUDGE KAVANAUGH'S
07:45:27.599 NOMINATION WITH EVERYTHING I
07:45:28.199 HAVE.
07:45:28.500 I HAVE A -- I HOPE A BIPARTISAN
07:45:31.803 GEORDIE WILL DO THE SAME.
07:45:34.773 THE STAKES ARE SIMPLY TOO HIGH
07:45:36.641 FOR ANYTHING LESS.
07:45:37.108 IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE, YOU ARE
07:45:40.545 NOW.
07:45:40.846 DID YOU MEET WITH SENATOR
07:45:42.314 DIANNE FEINSTEIN ON AUGUST 20?
07:45:47.853 >> DID YOU KNOW THAT HER STAFF
07:45:49.521 HAD ALREADY RECOMMENDED A
07:45:50.255 LAWYER TO DR. FORD?
07:45:50.922 >> I DID NOT KNOW THAT.
07:45:52.157 >> DID YOU KNOW THAT HER AND
07:45:53.592 HER STAFF HAD THESE ALLEGATIONS
07:45:54.593 FOR OVER 20 DAYS?
07:45:57.229 >> I DID NOT KNOW THAT AT THE
07:45:59.097 TIME.
07:46:01.500 >> IF YOU WANTED IN FBI
07:46:02.834 INVESTIGATION, YOU COULD HAVE
07:46:03.535 COME TO US.
07:46:04.236 WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS DESTROY
07:46:06.038 THIS GUYS LIFE, HOLD THE SEAT
07:46:07.572 OPEN, AND HOPE YOU WIN IN 2020.
07:46:11.109 YOU SAID THAT.
07:46:12.177 NOT ME.
07:46:13.879 YOU'VE GOT NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE
07:46:15.379 FOR.
07:46:16.348 WHEN YOU SEE THEM SAYING THAT
07:46:20.352 LINDSAY SAID THIS.
07:46:20.952 I VOTED FOR THEM.
07:46:23.755 I WOULD NEVER DO TO THEM WHAT
07:46:25.157 YOU HAVE DONE TO THE SKY.
07:46:26.491 THIS IS THE MOST UNETHICAL, SHAM
07:46:30.662 SINCE I'VE BEEN IN POLITICS.
07:46:33.198 IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO KNOW
07:46:34.499 THE TRUTH, YOU SURE WOULD NOT
07:46:36.034 HAVE DONE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE
07:46:38.603 THIS GUY.
07:46:40.272 YOU A GANG RAPIST?
07:46:41.640 >> NO.
07:46:44.743 >> I CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT YOU
07:46:46.344 AND YOUR FAMILY HAVE GONE
07:46:48.013 THROUGH.
07:46:50.816 YOU WANT POWER.
07:46:51.450 I HOPE YOU NEVER GET A. OF THE
07:46:53.251 AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN SEE THROUGH
07:46:55.921 THIS SHAM.
07:46:56.354 THAT YOU KNEW ABOUT IT AND YOU
07:46:58.890 HELD IT.
07:46:59.591 YOU HAD NO INTENTION OF
07:47:00.425 PROTECTING DR. FORD.
07:47:03.462 NONE.
07:47:03.662 SHE IS AS MUCH OF A VICTIM AS
07:47:05.263 YOU ARE.
07:47:05.697 I HATE TO SAY IT, BECAUSE THESE
07:47:07.933 HAVE BEEN MY FRIENDS.
07:47:09.968 BUT LET ME TELL YOU, WHEN IT
07:47:11.403 COMES TO THIS, YOU ARE LOOKING
07:47:13.271 FOR A FAIR PROCESS. YOU CAME TO
07:47:15.607 THE WRONG TOWN AT THE WRONG
07:47:17.042 TIME, MY FRIEND.
07:47:20.178 YOU CONSIDER THIS A JOB
07:47:21.713 INTERVIEW?
07:47:22.681 >> THE ADVICE AND CONSENT RULE
07:47:28.420 IS.
07:47:28.620 >> YOU CONSIDER THAT YOU HAVE
07:47:29.955 BEEN THROUGH A JOB INTERVIEW?
07:47:34.326 >> I'VE BEEN THROUGH A PROCESS
07:47:35.360 OF ADVICE AND CONSENT UNDER THE
07:47:36.661 CONSTITUTION.
07:47:36.994 >> WOULD YOU SAY YOU HAVE BEEN
07:47:38.597 THROUGH
07:47:38.830 >> I HAVE BEEN THROUGH AND THEN
07:47:40.232 SOME.
07:47:40.432 >> THIS IS NOT A JOB INTERVIEW.
07:47:42.334 THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO DESTROY
07:47:46.605 THE ABILITY OF GOOD PEOPLE TO
07:47:48.006 COME FORWARD BECAUSE OF THIS
07:47:49.374 CRAP.
07:47:51.576 YOUR HIGH SCHOOL YEARBOOK.
07:47:56.848 YOU HAVE INTERACTED WITH
07:47:57.849 PROFESSIONAL WOMEN ALL YOUR
07:47:58.483 LIFE.
07:47:58.683 NOT ONE ACCUSATION.
07:48:00.085 YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BILL SCOTT
07:48:04.489 -- BILL COSBY WOULD YOUR JUNIOR
07:48:05.824 AND SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL.
07:48:06.725 ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU GOT OVER
07:48:08.460 IT.
07:48:08.660 IT HAS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING
07:48:14.266 THAT IF YOU DRUG WOMEN AND RAPE
07:48:15.567 THEM FOR 2 YEARS IN HIGH
07:48:16.968 SCHOOL, YOU PROBABLY DON'T
07:48:18.203 STOP.
07:48:18.403 HERE IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
07:48:19.804 IF YOU HAVE LIVED A GOOD LIFE,
07:48:22.240 PEOPLE WILL RECOGNIZE IT.
07:48:25.477 BUT THE AMERICAN BAR
07:48:26.611 ASSOCIATION HAS AS THE GOLD
07:48:27.946 STANDARD.
07:48:28.680 'S INTEGRITY IS ABSOLUTELY
07:48:31.149 UNQUESTIONED.
07:48:32.784 HE IS THE VERY CIRCUMSPECT IN
07:48:34.419 HIS PERSONAL CONDUCT. HE
07:48:36.888 HARBORS NO BIASES OR RIGID IS
07:48:39.424 HIS.
07:48:40.358 HE IS ENTIRELY ETHICAL.
07:48:41.993 IS A REALLY DECENT PERSON.
07:48:44.396 HE IS WARM, FRIENDLY,
07:48:45.630 UNASSUMING.
07:48:45.930 HE IS THE NICEST PERSON.
07:48:48.066 THAT IS FROM THE ABA.
07:48:52.103 ONE THING I SHOULD TELL YOU YOU
07:48:53.738 SHOULD BE PROUD OF.
07:48:54.539 YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF THIS.
07:48:55.640 YOU RAISED A DAUGHTER WHO HAD
07:48:58.443 THE GOOD CHARACTER TO PRAY FOR
07:49:01.179 DR. FORD.
07:49:02.847 TO MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES, IF
07:49:04.449 YOU VOTE NO.
07:49:06.318 YOU ARE LEGITIMIZING THE MOST
07:49:11.423 DESPICABLE THING I HAVE SEEN IN
07:49:12.657 MY TIME IN POLITICS.
07:49:13.858 YOU WANT THE SEAT?
07:49:15.894 I HOPE YOU NEVER GET IT.
07:49:18.430 I HOPE YOU ARE ON THE SUPREME
07:49:20.231 COURT.
07:49:20.966 THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE HE SHOULD
07:49:22.200 BE.
07:49:22.934 I HOPE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL
07:49:26.605 SEE THROUGH THIS CHARADE.
07:49:32.611 I INTEND TO VOTE FOR YOU AND I
07:49:34.145 HOPE EVERYONE WHO IS FAIR-
07:49:35.613 MINDED WILL.
07:49:37.382 >> SENATOR WHITE HOUSE.
07:49:45.557 -- WHITEHOUSE.
07:49:46.057 >> DO THAT WE SHOULD LET THINGS
07:49:47.359 SETTLE A LITTLE BIT AFTER THAT?
07:49:49.127 >> WE COULD TAKE A 62nd BREAK.
07:49:50.829 >> I AM GOOD.
07:49:55.100 >> ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE
07:49:57.836 ARE LOOKING AT THE YEARBOOK IS
07:50:00.137 THAT IT IS RELATIVELY
07:50:02.774 CONSISTENT IN TIME WITH THE
07:50:05.643 EVENTS AT ISSUE HERE AND,
07:50:09.881 BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO BE YOUR
07:50:11.783 WORDS.
07:50:14.753 IS IT, IN FACT, YOUR WORDS ON
07:50:15.987 YOUR YEARBOOK PAGE?
07:50:17.856 >> WE SUBMITTED THINGS TO THE
07:50:19.057 EDITORS AND I BELIEVE THEY TOOK
07:50:24.362 THEM.
07:50:24.663 I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CHANGED
07:50:25.864 THINGS ARE NOT.
07:50:26.564 >> YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF ANY
07:50:27.799 CHANGES?
07:50:28.066 >> I AM NOT AWARE OF ONE WHERE
07:50:29.634 THE OTHER.
07:50:30.035 I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND
07:50:31.870 CONTEST THAT.
07:50:33.972 HAVE ADDED IF YOU WANT TO GO
07:50:35.373 THROUGH MY YEARBOOK.
07:50:36.074 >> I'M ACTUALLY INTERESTED.
07:50:37.108 LAWYERS SHOULD BE WORKING OFF
07:50:37.909 OF COMMON TERMS AND UNDERSTAND
07:50:41.980 THE WORDS THAT WE ARE USING.
07:50:43.315 IT IS A PRETTY BASIC PRINCIPLE
07:50:46.851 AMONG LAWYERS, WHEN YOU AGREE?
07:50:48.887 >> IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT MY
07:50:50.955 YEARBOOK, HAVE AT IT.
07:50:51.556 >> LET'S LOOK AT BEACH WEEK
07:50:55.560 RALPH CLUB BIGGEST CONTRIBUTOR.
07:50:58.496 WHAT DOES THE WORD RALPH MEAN?
07:51:05.170 >> THAT PROBABLY REFERS TO
07:51:06.137 THROWING UP.
07:51:06.571 I AM KNOWN TO HAVE A WEAK
07:51:08.440 STOMACH.
07:51:08.706 LESS MAD CATCH UP ON SPAGHETTI,
07:51:14.412 DID.
07:51:14.612 >> THIS IS WELL KNOWN.
07:51:18.550 ANYONE WHO HAS KNOWN ME, LIKE A
07:51:19.984 LOT OF PEOPLE BEHIND ME, THEY
07:51:21.519 KNOW THAT I HAVE A WEAK STOMACH
07:51:27.525 , WHETHER IT IS WITH BEER OR
07:51:29.027 WITH SPICY FOOD OR ANYTHING.
07:51:29.961 >> SO THE VOMITING THAT YOU
07:51:30.962 REFERENCE IN THE RALPH CLUB
07:51:31.996 REFERENCE RELATED TO THE
07:51:35.633 CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL?
07:51:36.767 >> SIR, I WAS THE TOP OF MY
07:51:40.672 CLASS ACADEMICALLY.
07:51:41.105 I BUSTED MY BUTT IN SCHOOL.
07:51:43.341 I WAS THE CAPTAIN OF THE
07:51:46.578 VARSITY BEST BALL TEAM.
07:51:48.012 GOT INTO YALE COLLEGE.
07:51:49.514 I GOT INTO YALE LAW SCHOOL.
07:51:51.850 I WORKED MY TAIL OFF.
07:51:56.855 >> AND?
07:51:58.023 DID THE WORD RALPH, THAT YOU
07:52:01.860 USED HERE.
07:52:02.460 >> ALREADY ANSWER THE QUESTION.
07:52:03.794 >> DO RELATE TO ALCOHOL?
07:52:08.265 >> I LIKE BEER.
07:52:10.802 WHAT YOU LIKE TO DRINK.
07:52:12.771 >> THE NEXT QUESTION, I DON'T
07:52:15.340 KNOW IF IT IS BUFFED --?
07:52:24.149 >> THAT REFERS TO FLATULENCE.
07:52:27.018 WE WERE 16.
07:52:27.619 >> WHEN YOU'RE FRIEND MARK
07:52:31.189 JUDGE PUT THE SAME THING BACK
07:52:32.323 TO YOU, HE HAD THE SAME
07:52:33.725 MEANING, IT WAS FLATULENCE?
07:52:34.359 >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE DID,
07:52:35.760 THAT WAS MY REGULATION.
07:52:38.797 WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT
07:52:40.165 FLATULENCE AT YOUR 16 ON
07:52:42.667 YEARBOOK PAGE, I AM GAME.
07:52:43.601 >> YOU MENTIONED, I THINK, THE
07:52:52.744 RENATE, I DON'T KNOW THE
07:53:00.418 PRONUNCIATION?
07:53:00.785 AND WHAT DOES THE WORD ALUMNIUS
07:53:06.224 MEAN.
07:53:06.424 >> SHE WAS A GREAT FRIEND OF
07:53:08.092 OURS.
07:53:10.094 A BUNCH OF US WENT TO DANCES
07:53:11.529 WITH HER.
07:53:12.130 SHE HUNG OUT WITH US AS A
07:53:13.565 GROUP.
07:53:13.798 THE MEDIA CIRCUS THAT HAS BEEN
07:53:14.866 GENERATED BY THIS THOUGHT AND
07:53:16.201 REPORTED THAT A REFERRED TO
07:53:17.202 SEX.
07:53:17.969 IT DID NOT.
07:53:20.004 SHE HERSELF SAID ON THE RECORD,
07:53:22.907 DID I HAVE ANY SEXUAL
07:53:23.875 INTERACTION WITH HER.
07:53:24.476 I AM SORRY THAT THIS HAS BEEN
07:53:27.979 MISINTERPRETED AND SORRY IS!
07:53:32.217 MY OPENING STATEMENT.
07:53:32.917 SHE IS A GOOD PERSON.
07:53:33.818 TO HAVE HER NAME DRAGGED
07:53:34.953 THROUGH THE HEARING IS A JOKE.
07:53:39.157 IT IS REALLY AN EMBARRASSMENT.
07:53:40.492 >> DEVILS TRIANGLE?
07:53:42.126 >> DRINKING GAME.
07:53:46.264 >> HOW IS IT PLAYED?
07:53:47.365 >> THREE GLASSES IN THE
07:53:48.299 TRIANGLE.
07:53:49.033 >> AND HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED
07:53:54.105 QUARTERS?
07:53:54.372 >> NO.
07:53:58.343 >> AND DOHERTY?
07:54:01.145 >> AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE
07:54:07.752 CALLER, SHE HAD A PARTY AND THE
07:54:09.153 FOURTH OF JULY AT THE BEACH IN
07:54:10.621 DELAWARE.
07:54:10.888 >> THERE ARE 7F'S ON THE FOURTH
07:54:13.625 OF JULY. DOES THAT MEAN?
07:54:16.127 ONE OF OUR FRIENDS, KLOBUCHAR,
07:54:19.564 WHEN HE SAID THE F WORD
07:54:20.899 STARTING AT A YOUNG AGE, HAD A
07:54:22.400 WIND UP TO THE F WORD.
07:54:25.737 AND THEN THE WORD WOULD COME
07:54:27.305 OUT.
07:54:29.674 WHEN WE WERE 15, WE THOUGHT
07:54:30.909 THAT WAS FUNNY.
07:54:31.810 IT BECAME AN INSIDE JOKE FOR
07:54:33.545 HOW HE WOULD SAY WHAT I WILL
07:54:36.748 NOT REAP -- TO BE HERE.
07:54:40.084 >> REFERRING TO GEORGETOWN
07:54:43.087 VERSUS LOUISVILLE.
07:54:43.621 >> DO ANYMORE IN THE F?
07:54:45.155 >> YOU RESPOND, WHO ONE THAT
07:54:48.059 GAME ANYWAY.
07:54:50.828 SHOULD WE DRAW ANY CONCLUSION
07:54:52.263 THAT A LOSS OF RECOLLECTION
07:54:56.568 RELATED TO ALCOHOL WAS THERE?
07:55:00.104 >> FIRST HAND, WE WERE WATCHING
07:55:03.408 IT ON TV AT A PARTY.
07:55:06.444 >> THAT IS NOT INCONSISTENT WITH
07:55:09.480 TRICKING AND NOT REMEMBERING
07:55:10.314 WHAT HAPPENED.
07:55:11.015 >> I'M AWARE.
07:55:15.219 AT THE POINT OF BOTH IS THAT WE
07:55:16.688 WERE, IN ESSENCE, HAVING A
07:55:18.490 PARTY AND DID NOT PAY ATTENTION
07:55:19.891 TO THE GAME, EVEN THOUGH THE
07:55:21.125 GAME WAS THE EXCUSE WE HAD FOR
07:55:22.527 GETTING TOGETHER.
07:55:22.927 THAT IS VERY COMMON.
07:55:27.499 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN
07:55:28.833 TO A SUPER BOWL PARTY AND NOT
07:55:30.368 PAID ATTENTION TO THE GAME AND
07:55:31.569 JUST HUNG OUT WITH YOUR
07:55:32.437 FRIENDS.
07:55:32.704 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE DONE
07:55:34.072 THAT OR NOT, BUT THAT IS WHAT
07:55:35.506 WE ARE REFERRING TO.
07:55:36.808 >> SENATOR CORNYN.
07:55:37.442 >> JUDGE, I CANNOT THINK OF A
07:55:38.943 MORE EMBARRASSING SCANDAL FOR
07:55:43.014 THE UNITED STATES SENATE SINCE
07:55:45.650 THE McCARTHY HEARINGS.
07:55:48.186 WHEN THE COMMENT WAS ABOUT THE
07:55:49.287 CRUELTY OF THE PROCESS TOWARD
07:55:50.888 THE PEOPLE INVOLVED.
07:55:53.191 AND THE QUESTION WAS ASKED,
07:55:55.026 HAVE YOU NO SENSE OF DECENCY?
07:55:59.030 I AM AFRAID THAT WE HAVE LOST
07:56:02.100 THAT, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME
07:56:05.236 BEING.
07:56:06.571 TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE
07:56:07.705 BEEN ACCUSED OF MULTIPLE
07:56:08.806 CRIMES?
07:56:09.039 >> I AM PAINFULLY AWARE, FOR MY
07:56:11.442 FAMILY AND ME, TO READ ABOUT
07:56:12.910 THIS.
07:56:15.513 AND THE BREATHLESS REPORTING.
07:56:16.313 >> THE SEXUAL ASSAULT THAT DR.
07:56:19.717 FORD CLAIMS AND THAT YOU HAVE
07:56:21.552 DENIED THE CLAIMS OF MS.
07:56:24.888 RAMIREZ, THAT NOT EVEN THE NEW
07:56:28.760 YORK TIMES A REPORT BECAUSE IT
07:56:29.994 CANNOT CORROBORATE IT.
07:56:31.129 AND THEN STORMY DANIELS LAWYER
07:56:33.765 RELEASED A BOMBSHELL ACCUSING
07:56:35.066 YOU OF GANG RAPE.
07:56:40.505 ALL OF THOSE ARE CRIMES, ARE
07:56:41.706 THEY NOT?
07:56:42.140 >> THEY ARE.
07:56:42.740 I'M NEVER GOING TO GET MY
07:56:44.142 REPUTATION BACK.
07:56:44.776 MY LIFE IS TOTALLY AND
07:56:47.611 PERMANENTLY ALTERED.
07:56:52.684 3 JUDGE, DO NOT GIVE UP.
07:56:54.118 >> I'M NOT GIVING UP.
07:56:54.919 >> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE
07:56:56.154 LISTENING TO THIS AND THEY WILL
07:57:02.260 MAKE THE DECISION.
07:57:02.894 I THINK YOU WILL COME OUT ON
07:57:04.195 THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT.
07:57:05.296 >> I WILL ALWAYS BE A GOOD
07:57:06.531 PERSON AND TRY TO BE A GOOD
07:57:07.965 JUDGE, WHATEVER HAPPENS.
07:57:08.565 >> THIS IS NOT A JOB INTERVIEW.
07:57:10.000 YOU HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF A
07:57:11.602 CRIME.
07:57:17.475 IF YOU HAVE LIED TO THE
07:57:18.676 COMMITTEE AND THE
07:57:19.510 INVESTIGATORS, THAT IS A CRIME
07:57:20.411 IN AND OF ITSELF, IS THAT
07:57:21.646 CORRECT?
07:57:21.912 >> THAT IS CORRECT.
07:57:22.546 >> IN ORDER TO VOTE AGAINST HER
07:57:23.948 NOMINATION, WE WOULD HAVE TO
07:57:24.982 CONCLUDE THAT YOU ARE A SERIAL
07:57:26.684 LIAR.
07:57:28.252 AND THAT YOU HAVE EXPOSED
07:57:29.454 YOURSELF TO LEGAL JEOPARDY IN
07:57:31.522 YOUR INTERACTION WITH THIS
07:57:32.824 COMMITTEE AND THE INVESTIGATORS.
07:57:35.893 IS THAT NOT CORRECT?
07:57:36.994 >> THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
07:57:37.995 YOU TALKED IN YOUR INTERVIEW
07:57:41.666 THE OTHER NIGHT ABOUT A FAIR
07:57:43.501 PROCESS.
07:57:43.901 SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ACROSS
07:57:45.470 THE AISLE SAY THAT THE BURDEN
07:57:48.039 IS NOT ON THE ACCUSER, BECAUSE
07:57:50.174 THIS IS A JOB INTERVIEW. THE
07:57:53.911 BURDEN IS ON YOU.
07:57:54.846 YOU SAY, YOU WERE NOT THERE AND
07:57:57.982 IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
07:57:58.883 IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO
07:58:00.118 PROVE A NEGATIVE.
07:58:00.518 SO I WOULD JUST SUGGEST YOU
07:58:01.853 HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF A CRIME AND
07:58:03.821 THAT A FAIR PROCESS, UNDER THE
07:58:06.924 UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION,
07:58:11.129 UNDER NOTION OF FAIR PLAY,
07:58:12.130 MEANS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE
07:58:13.464 AN ACCUSATION AGAINST YOU HAVE
07:58:14.599 TO COME FORWARD WITH SOME
07:58:15.366 EVIDENCE.
07:58:15.800 IS THAT NOT PART OF A FAIR
07:58:17.869 PROCESS?
07:58:19.370 >> YES, SENATOR.
07:58:24.075 >> PART OF THAT MEANS THAT IF
07:58:25.743 YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE AN
07:58:26.644 ALLEGATION, THERE NEEDS TO BE
07:58:28.146 COOPERATION.
07:58:28.479 IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE NOT
07:58:29.380 GUILTY BECAUSE SOMEONE MAKES AN
07:58:30.815 ACCUSATION AGAINST YOU IN THIS
07:58:32.216 COUNTRY.
07:58:32.483 WE ARE NOT A POLICE STATE.
07:58:34.652 WE DO NOT GIVE THE GOVERNMENT
07:58:35.787 THAT KIND OF POWER.
07:58:36.687 WE INSIST THAT THOSE CHARGES BE
07:58:40.491 PROVEN.
07:58:42.126 I KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT IN A
07:58:44.028 COURT.
07:58:45.863 UNTIL MY CALLING IF WE WERE
07:58:47.098 COURT, HALF OF THEM WILL BE IN
07:58:49.267 ATTEMPT OF COURT.
07:58:50.334 YOU HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF A
07:58:52.170 CRIME.
07:58:52.436 I BELIEVE, FUNDAMENTAL NOTIONS
07:58:55.573 OF FAIR PLAY AND JUSTICE IN THE
07:58:57.542 CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM. IF SOME
07:59:02.079 IS GOING MAKE THE ACCUSATION,
07:59:03.214 THEY NEED TO COME FORWARD TO
07:59:06.117 SOME CORROBORATION, NOT JUST
07:59:06.951 ALLEGATIONS.
07:59:07.351 YOU ARE RIGHT TO BE ANGRY.
07:59:08.786 ABOUT THE DELAYS IN YOUR
07:59:12.256 ABILITY TO COME HERE AND
07:59:13.090 PROTECT YOUR GOOD NAME.
07:59:13.891 BECAUSE IN THE INTERIM, IT JUST
07:59:16.494 KEEPS GETTING WORSE.
07:59:17.962 IT IS NOT DR. FORD.
07:59:22.633 IT IS THE STORY THAT OUT OF THE
07:59:24.268 NEW YORK TIMES WOULD REPORT.
07:59:25.369 THE ALLEGATION OF MS. RAMIREZ,
07:59:26.804 AND THEN STORMY DANIELS LAWYER.
07:59:33.744 COMES UP WITH THIS INCREDIBLE
07:59:34.578 STORY, ACCUSING YOU OF THE MOST
07:59:36.013 SORDID AND SALACIOUS CONDUCT.
07:59:37.148 IT IS OUTRAGEOUS.
07:59:39.250 YOU ARE RIGHT TO BE ANGRY.
07:59:41.586 THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO TELL
07:59:44.255 YOUR STORY.
07:59:44.555 I HOPE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO
07:59:45.790 TELL US EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO
07:59:48.593 TELL US.
07:59:49.927 THE BURDEN IS NOT
08:00:13.684 >> IT'S HARD TO RECONSTRUCT
08:00:14.652 WHAT HAPPENED 36 YEARS AGO AND
08:00:16.921 I APPRECIATE THAT SHE HAS HAD
08:00:22.493 AN INCIDENT AT SOME POINT IN
08:00:23.794 HER LIFE.
08:00:26.364 AND YOU ARE SYMPATHETIC TO THAT
08:00:30.368 AND YOUR REPUTATION IS ON THE
08:00:34.372 LINE.
08:00:36.507 I HOPE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE
08:00:37.441 GRAVITY OF THE CHARGES MADE
08:00:38.409 AGAINST YOU AND WHAT A FAIR
08:00:40.278 PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.
08:00:44.649 >> SENATOR KLOBUCHAR?
08:00:46.217 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN,
08:00:48.785 JUDGE.
08:00:49.420 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DECENCY
08:00:51.555 AND YOU UNDERSTAND WE HAVE THIS
08:00:54.258 CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO ADVISE
08:00:55.293 AND CONSENT.
08:00:55.760 FOR ME, WHEN THIS EVIDENCE CAME
08:00:57.395 FORWARD, I DECIDED THAT I
08:00:58.195 NEEDED TO LOOK AT THIS AND I
08:01:00.897 NEEDED TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT AND
08:01:04.035 I NEEDED TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS
08:01:06.269 ABOUT IT AS WELL IS OTHERS THAT
08:01:08.506 WERE INVOLVED.
08:01:09.073 SO, AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO
08:01:10.908 TAKE QUITE THE SAME APPROACH AS
08:01:12.443 MY COLLEAGUES AND TALK ABOUT
08:01:13.444 DON MCGAHN OR ANY OF THIS.
08:01:14.578 WHY DON'T YOU JUST ASK THE
08:01:15.846 PRESIDENT?
08:01:21.152 DR. FORD CAN'T DO THIS.
08:01:22.619 WE CLEARLY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO
08:01:25.523 DO THIS.
08:01:25.790 JUST AS THE PRESIDENT TO REOPEN
08:01:27.725 THE FBI INVESTIGATION.
08:01:28.359 >> I THINK THE COMMITTEE -- YOU
08:01:30.361 ARE DOING THE INVESTIGATION.
08:01:32.763 I'M HERE TO ANSWER YOUR
08:01:33.631 QUESTIONS.
08:01:33.931 I SHOULD SAY ONE THING, SENATOR
08:01:38.903 KLOBUCHAR.
08:01:39.203 I APPRECIATE OUR MEETING
08:01:40.371 TOGETHER AND I APPRECIATE HOW
08:01:41.906 YOU HANDLED THE PRIOR HEARING
08:01:42.740 AND I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR
08:01:44.007 YOU.
08:01:44.642 >> THANK YOU.
08:01:47.011 ALL OF THAT ASIDE, HERE'S THE
08:01:48.145 THING.
08:01:48.379 YOU COULD ACTUALLY JUST GET
08:01:54.151 THIS OPEN SO THAT WE CAN TALK
08:01:56.020 TO THESE WITNESSES AND THE FBI
08:01:58.489 CAN DO IT INSTEAD OF US.
08:02:00.291 YOU'VE COME BEFORE US BUT WE
08:02:03.294 HAVE PEOPLE LIKE MARK JUDGE,
08:02:04.895 WHO DR. FORD SAYS WAS A WITNESS
08:02:06.464 TO THIS.
08:02:06.731 WE HAVE THIS POLYGRAPH EXPERT
08:02:08.032 THAT MY COLLEAGUES WERE RAISING
08:02:12.002 ISSUES ABOUT THAT.
08:02:13.003 WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT
08:02:15.139 PERSON COME BEFORE US.
08:02:16.707 I JUST THINK IF WE COULD OPEN
08:02:18.876 THIS UP -- >> I DON'T MEAN TO
08:02:21.479 INTERRUPT.
08:02:22.380 BUT, I GUESS I AM.
08:02:23.547 WITH MARK JUDGE HAS PROVIDED
08:02:25.249 SWORN STATEMENTS SAYING THIS
08:02:25.950 DIDN'T HAPPEN IN AND THAT I
08:02:27.284 NEVER DID OR WOULD DO --
08:02:29.519 >> WE WOULD LIKE THE FBI TO
08:02:32.390 FOLLOW UP AND ASK THEM
08:02:34.959 QUESTIONS.
08:02:35.259 YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT PAST
08:02:38.829 NOMINATION PROCESSES AND YOU
08:02:39.930 TALKED ABOUT THOSE.
08:02:40.397 I NOTE THAT PRESIDENT GEORGE
08:02:41.399 BUSH, IN THE ANITA HILL/JUSTICE
08:02:46.369 THOMAS CASE, HE OPENED UP THE
08:02:47.638 FBI INVESTIGATION AND LET
08:02:51.008 QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED.
08:02:53.210 I THINK IT WAS HELPFUL FOR
08:02:55.112 PEOPLE.
08:02:55.713 WAS HIS DECISION REASONABLE?
08:02:56.814 >> I DON'T KNOW THE
08:02:58.916 CIRCUMSTANCES OF THAT.
08:03:00.084 WHAT I NO, SENATOR --
08:03:01.718 >> THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE THAT
08:03:03.554 HE OPENED UP THE INVESTIGATION
08:03:04.789 SO THE FBI COULD ASK SOME
08:03:06.857 QUESTIONS.
08:03:07.157 HE OPENED UP THE BACKGROUND
08:03:07.891 CHECK.
08:03:08.124 >> I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS
08:03:08.959 ABOUT MY YEARBOOK OR ABOUT --
08:03:11.729 >> OKAY.
08:03:18.302 I'M NOT GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE
08:03:20.905 YEARBOOK.
08:03:21.172 SO, MOST PEOPLE HAVE DONE SOME
08:03:24.542 DRINKING IN HIGH SCHOOL AND
08:03:26.076 COLLEGE AND MANY PEOPLE EVEN
08:03:27.978 STRUGGLE WITH ALCOHOLISM AND
08:03:28.578 BINGE DRINKING.
08:03:28.979 MY OWN DAD STRUGGLED WITH
08:03:29.847 ALCOHOLISM MOST OF HIS LIFE AND
08:03:34.085 HE GOT IN TROUBLE FOR IT AND
08:03:37.388 THERE WERE CONSEQUENCES.
08:03:38.121 HE IS STILL IN AA AT AGED 90
08:03:40.491 AND HE'S SOBER.
08:03:41.091 IN HIS WORDS, HE WAS PURSUED BY
08:03:44.762 GRACE AND THAT'S HOW HE GOT
08:03:46.831 THROUGH THIS.
08:03:47.164 IN YOUR CASE, YOU HAVE SAID
08:03:48.099 HERE AND OTHER PLACES THAT YOU
08:03:50.935 NEVER DRANK SO MUCH THAT YOU
08:03:54.071 DIDN'T REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED.
08:03:55.306 YET, WE HAVE HEARD, NOT UNDER
08:03:57.908 OATH, BUT WE HAVE HEARD YOUR
08:03:59.377 COLLEGE ROOMMATE SAY THAT YOU
08:04:00.811 DID DRINK FREQUENTLY.
08:04:01.278 THESE ARE IN NEWS REPORTS, THAT
08:04:02.413 YOU WOULD SOMETIMES BE
08:04:04.482 BELLIGERENT. ANOTHER CLASSMATE
08:04:09.019 SAID IT'S NOT CREDIBLE FOR YOU
08:04:10.488 TO SAY YOU DIDN'T HAVE MEMORY
08:04:13.090 LAPSES.
08:04:13.323 SO, DRINKING IS ONE THING --
08:04:15.192 >> I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THAT
08:04:17.094 IS THE SECOND QUOTE AS CORRECT.
08:04:19.763 THE FIRST QUOTE, IF YOU WANTED,
08:04:21.999 I PROVIDED SOME MATERIAL THAT
08:04:23.801 IS STILL REDACTED ABOUT THE
08:04:24.802 SITUATION WITH THE FRESHMAN
08:04:26.470 YEAR ROOMMATE.
08:04:27.004 I DON'T REALLY WANT TO REPEAT
08:04:29.140 THAT IN A PUBLIC HEARING. úJUST
08:04:30.708 THREE PEOPLE IN A ROOM. DAVE
08:04:33.177 WHITE, JAMIE ROACH AND ME AND
08:04:37.080 IT WAS A CONTENTIOUS SITUATION
08:04:38.015 WHERE JAMIE DID NOT LIKE DAVE
08:04:38.915 WHITE AT ALL.
08:04:48.325 SO, DAVE WHITE CAME BACK FROM
08:04:49.493 HOME ONE WEEKEND AND JAMIE
08:04:50.327 ROACH HAD MOVED ALL HIS
08:04:54.932 FURNITURE OUT INTO THE
08:04:57.301 COURTYARD.
08:04:57.601 SO, HE WALKED IN AND THAT WAS
08:04:59.270 YOUR SOURCE ON THAT.
08:05:00.203 >> DRINKING IS ONE THING --
08:05:01.705 >> THERE'S MUCH MORE.
08:05:03.507 LOOK AT THE REDACTED PORTION OF
08:05:04.475 WHAT I SAID. I
08:05:06.610 DON'T WANT TO REPEAT IT IN A
08:05:08.913 PUBLIC HEARING.
08:05:09.613 >> I WILL.
08:05:09.913 >> THE REDACTED INFORMATION --
08:05:12.382 >> DRINKING IS ONE THING BUT
08:05:14.118 THE CONCERN IS ABOUT
08:05:15.186 TRUTHFULNESS AND IN YOUR
08:05:16.020 WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU SAID
08:05:16.687 SOMETIMES YOU HAD TOO MANY
08:05:19.023 DRINKS.
08:05:19.256 WAS THERE EVER A TIME WHEN YOU
08:05:20.458 DRINK SO MUCH THAT YOU COULDN'T
08:05:21.559 REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED OR PART
08:05:22.493 OF WHAT HAPPENED THE NIGHT
08:05:23.861 BEFORE?
08:05:24.094 >> NO.
08:05:24.328 I REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED.
08:05:28.999 I THINK YOU'VE PROBABLY HAD
08:05:30.100 BEERS, SENATOR.
08:05:34.371 >> YOU ARE SAYING THERE HAS
08:05:36.106 NEVER BEEN A CASE WHERE YOU
08:05:37.274 DRANK SO MUCH THAT YOU DIDN'T
08:05:39.276 REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED THE
08:05:40.444 NIGHT BEFORE OR PART OF WHAT
08:05:42.646 HAPPENED?
08:05:42.913 >> YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT A
08:05:45.182 BLACKOUT.
08:05:45.449 I DON'T KNOW, HAVE YOU?
08:05:45.982 >> COULD YOU ANSWER THE
08:05:47.117 QUESTION, JUDGE?
08:05:51.822 THAT'S NOT HAPPEN, IS THAT YOUR
08:05:54.825 ANSWER?
08:05:55.058 >> YES.
08:05:55.793 I'M CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE.
08:05:57.394 >> I HAVE NO DRINKING PROBLEM,
08:06:00.664 JUDGE.
08:06:00.897 >> NOR DO I.
08:06:01.565 >> OKAY.
08:06:02.366 THANK YOU.
08:06:03.033 >> SENATOR HATCH, SINCE THIS
08:06:05.603 FBI THING KEEPS COMING UP ALL
08:06:07.004 THE TIME, LET'S GET BACK TO
08:06:09.373 BASICS.
08:06:10.007 FIRST OF ALL, ANYBODY,
08:06:15.513 INCLUDING ANY SENATOR THAT
08:06:17.414 BROUGHT UP THIS ISSUE, COULD
08:06:18.915 ASK FOR AN FBI INVESTIGATION.
08:06:20.918 WHAT THE FBI DOES IS GATHER
08:06:22.653 INFORMATION FOR THE WHITE HOUSE
08:06:24.454 AND THEN THE FILE IS SENT TO
08:06:26.890 THE COMMITTEE FOR US TO MAKE
08:06:29.026 OUR OWN EVALUATIONS.
08:06:30.127 WE ARE CAPABLE OF MAKING OUR
08:06:32.596 OWN DETERMINATION ABOUT THE
08:06:33.430 ACCURACY OF ANY OF THOSE
08:06:34.264 ALLEGATIONS.
08:06:34.597 THE FBI HAS PUT OUT A STATEMENT
08:06:39.703 -- I SUPPOSE IT IS A MONTH AGO
08:06:41.205 -- CLEARLY STATING THIS MATTER
08:06:42.373 IS CLOSED, AS FAR AS THE LETTER
08:06:43.307 BEING SENT TO THEM.
08:06:45.743 THERE IS NO FEDERAL CRIME TO
08:06:47.143 INVESTIGATE IF SENATE DEMOCRATS
08:06:54.485 HOPE FOR THE FBI TO DRAW ANY
08:06:56.086 CONCLUSIONS ON THIS MATTER.
08:06:57.253 I'M GOING TO REMIND YOU WHAT
08:06:58.923 JOE BIDEN SAID.
08:07:00.157 I SAID THIS IN MY STATEMENT BUT
08:07:02.826 MAYBE PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO
08:07:04.995 WHAT I SAY AND MAYBE THEY WON'T
08:07:07.031 EVEN HEAR THIS.
08:07:08.299 JOE BIDEN, QUOTE, THE NEXT
08:07:10.734 PERSON WHO REFERS TO AN FBI
08:07:13.204 REPORT AS BEING WORTH ANYTHING,
08:07:14.037 OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T UNDERSTAD
08:07:14.671 ANYTHING.
08:07:14.938 THE FBI EXPLICITLY DOES NOT IN
08:07:19.310 THIS OR ANY OTHER CASE, REACH A
08:07:20.611 CONCLUSION, PERIOD.
08:07:22.479 THEY SAY, HE SAID, SHE SAID,
08:07:29.486 THEY SAID, PERIOD.
08:07:30.921 WHEN PEOPLE WAIVE AND FBI
08:07:31.722 REPORT BEFORE YOU OR EVEN BRING
08:07:33.357 IT UP NOW AS SOMETHING
08:07:34.424 PROSPECTIVELY -- THAT WASN'T IN
08:07:38.796 HIS QUOTE -- UNDERSTAND, THEY
08:07:39.863 DO NOT, THEY DO NOT, THEY DO
08:07:41.030 NOT REACH CONCLUSIONS.
08:07:45.836 THEY DO NOT MAKE
08:07:46.270 RECOMMENDATIONS.
08:07:46.670 SENATOR HATCH?
08:07:47.037 >> MR. CHAIRMAN?
08:07:54.044 MR. CHAIRMAN?
08:07:54.377 MAY I SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT,
08:07:56.880 ACTUALLY, WE HAVE ASKED.
08:07:57.847 YOU SAID NOBODY HAS ASKED THE
08:07:59.650 FBI OR WE COULD ASK THE FBI.
08:08:02.720 I ACTUALLY HAVE. I
08:08:03.988 THINK OTHERS HAVE IN THE ISSUE
08:08:06.423 IS THAT PART OF WHAT THE FBI
08:08:08.592 REPORT DOES IS TO INVESTIGATE
08:08:10.027 AND SEEK EITHER CORROBORATING
08:08:11.729 OR EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE.
08:08:13.063 IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE CONCLUSION
08:08:14.965 IT DRAWS AS THE BREADTH OF THE
08:08:17.568 EVIDENCE THAT IS SOUGHT OUT
08:08:18.402 THROUGH THE INVESTIGATION AND
08:08:19.670 THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT
08:08:28.479 SOMEBODY MIGHT SAY TO AN FBI
08:08:29.580 AGENT WHEN THEY ARE BEING
08:08:30.613 EXAMINED.
08:08:30.880 FOR INSTANCE, MR. JUDGE'S
08:08:31.414 LETTER SIGNED BY HIS LAWYER
08:08:32.316 SENT IN, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT
08:08:34.485 THING.
08:08:35.018 I BELIEVE, STILL, THAT THIS IS
08:08:37.020 THE FIRST BACKGROUND
08:08:37.687 INVESTIGATION IN THE HISTORY OF
08:08:38.756 BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS THAT
08:08:39.390 HASN'T BEEN REOPENED WHEN NEW
08:08:40.724 CREDIBLE DEROGATORY INFORMATION
08:08:41.358 WAS RAISED ABOUT THE SUBJECT,
08:08:48.365 ABOUT THE NOMINEE.
08:08:48.832 YOU KNOW, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO
08:08:50.334 LET THE POINT YOU MADE STAND
08:08:52.536 WITHOUT REFERENCING WHAT WE HAVE
08:08:55.439 TRIED TO DO.
08:08:56.206 >> PARDON ME. I
08:08:58.075 WILL ADD TO THE POINT YOU MADE.
08:08:59.609 THE LETTER WAS SENT TO THE FBI.
08:09:02.746 THE FBI SENT IT TO THE WHITE
08:09:04.481 HOUSE WITH A LETTER SAYING THE
08:09:06.049 CASES CLOSED.
08:09:06.382 WE ARE TAKING A BREAK, NOW,
08:09:07.684 SENATOR.
08:09:07.951 WE ARE TAKING A BREAK NOW.
08:09:09.887 >> A 15 MINUTE BREAK.
08:09:25.702 >> OKAY.
08:09:26.103 ANOTHER BREAK IN THE KAVANAUGH
08:09:28.405 HEARINGS.
08:09:32.176 THE SENATE JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN,
08:09:33.677 CHUCK GRASSLEY, JUST CALLED FOR
08:09:34.645 IT AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN ADVISED
08:09:36.647 HOW LONG THAT BREAK WILL BE BUT
08:09:38.816 WELCOME BACK TO THOSE OF YOU
08:09:40.484 WATCHING.
08:09:40.751 YOU BEEN WATCHING THE SENATE
08:09:44.521 JUDICIARY HEARINGS.
08:09:44.988 IF YOU ARE JUST JOINING US,
08:09:46.423 JUDGE BRETT KAVANAUGH HAS
08:09:47.458 DENIED FORCEFULLY THAT HE
08:09:48.659 SEXUALLY ASSAULTED CHRISTINE
08:09:49.326 BLASEY FORD WHEN THEY WERE
08:09:51.161 TEENAGERS.
08:09:51.461 WE WANT TO PLAY FOR YOU,
08:09:52.963 PERHAPS, THE MOST EMOTIONAL
08:09:53.764 MOMENT OF THE DAY OUTSIDE OF THE
08:09:58.568 KAVANAUGH TESTIMONY, WE SHOULD
08:10:01.371 SAY, WHICH CAME SHORTLY AFTER
08:10:02.639 THAT ENDED.
08:10:02.939 THAT WAS REPUBLICAN SENATOR
08:10:04.408 LINDSEY GRAHAM.
08:10:04.941 WE WILL DIGEST A LOT OF THIS IN
08:10:07.478 JUST A MOMENT AND PLAY MORE
08:10:09.079 SOUND BEYOND THIS.
08:10:09.980 LET'S START WITH SOME OF THAT
08:10:13.150 LINDSEY GRAHAM AUDIO BECAUSE
08:10:14.618 THE WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN
08:10:15.786 REACTING TO IT.
08:10:16.353 >> IF YOU WANTED THE FBI
08:10:17.821 INVESTIGATION, YOU COULD HAVE
08:10:19.857 COME TO US.
08:10:20.390 WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS DESTROY
08:10:22.426 THIS GUY'S LIFE, HOLD THIS SEAT
08:10:25.095 OPEN AND HOPE YOU WIN IN 2020.
08:10:26.830 YOU'VE SAID THAT!
08:10:27.631 NOT ME.
08:10:27.864 YOU'VE GOT NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE
08:10:29.500 FOR.
08:10:29.700 WHEN YOU SEE SOTOMAYOR AND
08:10:36.340 KAGAN, TELL THEM LINDSAY SAID
08:10:37.975 HELLO BECAUSE I VOTED FOR THEM.
08:10:39.510 I WOULD NEVER DO TO THEM WHAT
08:10:40.978 YOU'VE DONE TO THIS GUY.
08:10:41.912 THIS IS THE MOST UNETHICAL SHAM
08:10:43.380 SINCE I'VE BEEN IN POLITICS. IF
08:10:48.551 YOU REALLY WANTED TO KNOW THE
08:10:50.888 TRUTH, YOU SURE AS WOULDN'T
08:10:52.756 HAVE DONE WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO
08:10:54.424 THIS GUY.
08:10:54.691 ARE YOU A GANG RAPIST?
08:10:58.529 NO.
08:11:00.731 I CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT YOU AND
08:11:01.799 YOUR FAMILY HAVE GONE THROUGH.
08:11:06.236 YOU WANT POWER, I HOPE YOU NEVER
08:11:08.839 GET IT.
08:11:09.439 I HOPE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN
08:11:10.807 SEE THROUGH THIS SHAM.
08:11:11.909 THAT YOU KNEW ABOUT IT AND YOU
08:11:13.310 HELD IT.
08:11:13.577 YOU HAVE NO INTENTION OF PRETEND
08:11:17.781 -- OF PROTECTING DR. FORD.
08:11:19.116 NONE.
08:11:19.316 SHE IS AS MUCH A VICTIM AS YOU
08:11:21.918 ARE.
08:11:22.119 GOD I HATE TO SAY IT BECAUSE
08:11:23.687 THESE HAVE BEEN MY FRIENDS.
08:11:24.888 LET ME TELL YOU WHEN IT COMES
08:11:27.057 TO THIS, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A
08:11:32.162 FAIR PROCESS, YOU CAME TO THE
08:11:33.796 WRONG TOWN AT THE WRONG TIME,
08:11:35.299 MY FRIEND.
08:11:35.599 DO YOU CONSIDER THIS A JOB
08:11:38.936 INTERVIEW?
08:11:40.437 >> THE ADVICE AND CONSENT ROLE
08:11:42.239 IS LIKE A JOB.
08:11:43.640 >> YOU CONSIDER THAT YOU'VE
08:11:45.075 BEEN TO A JOB INTERVIEW.
08:11:47.043 >> I'VE BEEN THROUGH A PROCESS
08:11:49.446 OF ADVICE AND CONSENT UNDER THE
08:11:51.481 CONSTITUTION.
08:11:51.882 >> WOULD YOU SAY YOU'VE BEEN
08:11:53.083 THROUGH HECK?
08:11:53.416 >> I'VE BEEN THROUGH HECK AND
08:11:57.387 THEN SOME.
08:11:57.888 >> THIS IS NOT A JOB INTERVIEW,
08:11:59.456 THIS IS HELD.
08:12:00.824 THIS IS GOING TO DESTROY THE
08:12:01.792 ABILITY OF GOOD PEOPLE TO COME
08:12:03.026 FORWARD BECAUSE OF THIS CRAP.
08:12:03.927 YOUR HIGH SCHOOL YEARBOOK. YOU
08:12:11.502 HAVE INTERACTED WITH
08:12:11.969 PROFESSIONAL WOMEN ALL YOUR
08:12:12.669 LIFE.
08:12:13.303 NOT ONE ACCUSATION.
08:12:20.677 >> LINDSEY GRAHAM WAS THE FIRST
08:12:23.013 GOP SENATOR TO ASK QUESTIONS
08:12:25.916 AND NOT DEFER TO THE PROSECUTOR
08:12:27.518 THE REPUBLICANS HAD SELECTED
08:12:28.819 WHO DID THE EARLIER QUESTIONING
08:12:30.587 OF CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD.
08:12:31.554 THE PRESIDENT SAID AT HIS NEWS
08:12:33.857 CONFERENCE YESTERDAY HE WOULD
08:12:35.025 BE WATCHING HEARINGS TODAY AND
08:12:36.527 HE IS AN OFFICIAL AT THE WHITE
08:12:38.061 HOUSE.
08:12:38.294 THEY NOW TELL US THEY ARE
08:12:40.530 PLEASED WITH KAVANAUGH'S STRONG
08:12:44.134 FULL THROATED RESPONSE.
08:12:45.235 IT'S A TOWN THEY SAID THEY HAVE
08:12:46.870 BEEN WAITING FOR FROM HIM.
08:12:48.271 WE'VE SEEN AND NUMBER OF TWEETS
08:12:49.306 GOING OUT FROM VARIOUS MEMBERS
08:12:50.807 OF THE WHITE HOUSE ENDORSING
08:12:51.741 WHAT THEY'VE HEARD, SO FAR FROM
08:12:54.978 JUDGE KAVANAUGH.
08:12:55.979 JOINING ME IN OUR COVERAGE, NOW
08:13:03.854 WE HAVE BIANNA GOLODRYGA,
08:13:06.089 COHOST JOHN DICKERSON, JAN
08:13:07.658 CRAWFORD WHO COVERS A SUPREME
08:13:09.292 COURT AND THE NEWS ANALYST,
08:13:10.761 RIKKI KLEIMAN AND OUR POLITICAL
08:13:12.696 CORRESPONDENT, ED O'KEEFE,
08:13:13.296 OUTSIDE THE HEARING ROOM AND
08:13:14.431 TRYING TO GET WHATEVER
08:13:14.931 INFORMATION FROM SENATORS.
08:13:29.246 >> I THINK LINDSEY GRAHAM
08:13:30.414 SPARED JUDGE KAVANAUGH A LOT OF
08:13:34.084 THE EMOTIONS AND THEY WERE
08:13:41.224 SHOWING LINDSEY GRAHAM HAVE WAS
08:13:42.159 KNOWN TO EXPRESS HIMSELF IN
08:13:43.026 WHATEVER OPINION ON WHATEVER
08:13:44.127 TOPIC.
08:13:49.833 I KNOW YOU HAD A LOT OF
08:13:52.536 THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT LINDSAY,
08:13:53.670 WHAT SENATOR GRAHAM WAS TRYING
08:13:54.838 TO CONVEY IN HIS MESSAGE WITHIN
08:13:55.906 THE PARTY AND OTHER REPUBLICANS
08:13:56.840 WHO MAY BE ON THE FENCE ABOUT
08:13:58.175 WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING.
08:14:02.345 >> THIS IS THE FIRST CHANCE TO
08:14:13.390 FRAME POLITICALLY AND LINDSEY
08:14:15.025 GRAHAM IN ADDITION TO THAT
08:14:19.730 EMOTIONAL RESPONSE SAID TO
08:14:21.698 FELLOW REPUBLICANS, IF YOU DON'T
08:14:23.567 VOTE FOR HIM, IF YOU VOTE
08:14:25.802 AGAINST HIM YOU WILL CONFIRM
08:14:27.070 AND VALIDATE WHAT LINDSEY
08:14:28.472 GRAHAM JUST DESCRIBED, AND
08:14:29.339 AWFUL PROCESS THAT RUINED A
08:14:30.507 FAMILY THAT WEREN'T -- THAT
08:14:32.509 RUINED A MAN.
08:14:34.077 OF THIS IS ABOUT DETERMINING
08:14:35.312 WHAT THE QUESTION IS, WHAT THE
08:14:37.714 NARRATIVE IS, LINDSEY GRAHAM IS
08:14:39.015 TRYING TO DO THAT FOR THE ON
08:14:40.484 THE FENCE REPUBLICANS SAYING,
08:14:42.119 THIS IS WHAT THE STAKES ARE. A
08:14:45.188 VOTE AGAINST KAVANAUGH IS A
08:14:46.757 VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE KIND OF
08:14:48.125 SCORCHED EARTH POLITICS HE JUST
08:14:50.160 DESCRIBED.
08:14:50.894 AS JAN SAID EARLIER, THAT'S A
08:14:53.163 MESSAGE TO THE REPUBLICAN BASE.
08:14:55.098 THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT AND
08:14:57.334 ANY REPUBLICAN SENATOR WHO
08:14:58.268 CAVES TO THAT PRESSURE SHOULD
08:14:58.969 BE PUNISHED.
08:14:59.469 >> WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND WHAT
08:15:04.274 LINDSEY GRAHAM IS SAYING, IF
08:15:06.276 YOU VOTE AGAINST, YOU ARE
08:15:08.178 ENDORSING CHARACTER
08:15:08.611 ASSASSINATION?
08:15:08.978 >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
08:15:10.046 IT'S ABOUT FRAMING THE QUESTION
08:15:11.114 AND THAT IS ABOUT POLITICS.
08:15:12.181 HE WAS TRYING TO FRAME THE
08:15:13.250 QUESTION FOR HIS OWN SIDE ANDI
08:15:14.517 THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY
08:15:17.287 EFFECTIVE.
08:15:19.055 >> JAN?
08:15:20.757 >> I THINK BRETT KAVANAUGH
08:15:22.959 REALLY LAID THE GROUNDWORK FOR
08:15:24.227 THAT.
08:15:24.427 HE GAVE THAT OPENING STATEMENT
08:15:26.396 AND AS THE REPORTERS SAID IN THE
08:15:30.801 ROOM, THE ROOM WAS JUST -- YOU
08:15:33.303 COULD HEAR A PIN DROP.
08:15:34.137 TO SEE THE EMOTION FROM HIM AND
08:15:36.139 AS HE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THIS
08:15:38.275 HAD DONE TO HIM, HIS LIFE, HIS
08:15:40.076 FAMILY, HIS PARENTS AND
08:15:40.844 CHILDREN, THAT REALLY THEN SET
08:15:43.747 THE GROUNDWORK FOR SENATOR
08:15:44.548 GRAHAM'S QUITE FIERY AND
08:15:46.383 EMOTIONAL RESPONSE, ENCOURAGING
08:15:50.287 -- NOT ENCOURAGING -- FLAT OUT
08:15:52.455 SAYING THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO
08:15:54.558 VOTE AGAINST THIS MAN, NOT ONLY
08:15:56.159 IS IT A VOTE FOR CHARACTER
08:15:57.194 ASSASSINATION, BUT IT IS A VOTE
08:15:58.528 FOR THE TACTICS THAT THE
08:16:02.432 DEMOCRATS HAVE USED.
08:16:02.932 HE CAME OUT OF THAT AND WHAT
08:16:05.468 LED TO THIS WAS THE DEMOCRATS
08:16:07.770 ARE PUSHING ABOUT THE FBI
08:16:09.872 INVESTIGATION.
08:16:10.239 SENATOR GRAHAM'S POINT, THIS IS
08:16:12.209 RIDICULOUS.
08:16:12.509 DEMOCRATS SAID ON THIS FOR TWO
08:16:14.711 MONTHS AND WE COULD HAVE HAD
08:16:16.213 THE FBI -- WE COULD HAVE HAD
08:16:18.348 ALL KIND OF INVESTIGATIONS.
08:16:20.383 THAT IS ALL SO THAT WHEN YOU
08:16:22.252 SEE THIS WITH THE FBI
08:16:23.687 INVESTIGATION, THAT GIVES THE
08:16:25.388 REPUBLICANS A CHANCE TO SAY, YOU
08:16:27.424 SAT ON THIS FOR TWO MONTHS.
08:16:29.125 >> JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS TO BE
08:16:30.426 CAREFUL.
08:16:30.927 THERE'S ONE THING TO BE
08:16:31.828 DEFENSIVE ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER
08:16:34.431 AND IF HE BELIEVES HE WASN'T
08:16:36.566 THERE AND DIDN'T DO THIS, BY
08:16:37.634 ALL MEANS DEFEND YOUR ACTION
08:16:38.401 WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT HE DID IN
08:16:40.904 COLLEGE, AND HIGH SCHOOL, HIS
08:16:41.972 YEARBOOK AND HIS DRINKING AND
08:16:42.906 THE FBI INVESTIGATION, THERE
08:16:43.640 ARE TIMES WHERE HE APPROACHES
08:16:44.441 THAT LINE-UP NOT GOING OVER
08:16:50.914 THAT LINE OF BEING A BIT TOO
08:16:53.083 DEFENSIVE.
08:16:53.383 HAS NEVER ONCE SAID YES, I
08:16:54.918 INVITE AN FBI INVESTIGATION.
08:16:55.886 HE SAID I WILL LET YOU DECIDE
08:16:57.721 TO DO AND I WILL DO WHATEVER
08:16:59.790 YOU TELL ME TO DO.
08:17:01.524 I THINK THE DRINKING, DID YOU
08:17:03.460 DRINK, DID YOU EVER BLANK OUT
08:17:05.295 DRINK TO THE SENATORS ASKING
08:17:06.930 THOSE QUESTIONS?
08:17:07.330 THAT COULD TURN OUT TO BITE
08:17:09.032 HIM.
08:17:09.266 >> I THINK THAT'S TRUE.
08:17:10.066 IT SHOWS EVASIVENESS IN REAL
08:17:11.134 TIME.
08:17:13.470 DICK DURBIN CAREFULLY TRIED TO
08:17:15.605 PUT HIM IN THE CORNER AND SAID,
08:17:17.674 JUST ASK THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER
08:17:19.409 DON MCGAHN TO CALL IN THE FBI.
08:17:21.611 THAT WAS A TACTIC, A TRICK.
08:17:23.847 IN THE MOMENT WHEN KAVANAUGH
08:17:25.381 DOESN'T IMMEDIATELY RESPOND OR
08:17:26.483 GIVES AN ANSWER LIKE SAYING,
08:17:27.550 I'M HERE NOW, IT'S A REALTIME
08:17:28.851 DEMONSTRATION OF EQUIVOCATION.
08:17:33.656 THAT COULD BE A CHALLENGE FOR
08:17:37.427 HIM.
08:17:37.627 >> ALL OF THIS RIVETING
08:17:39.595 TESTIMONY COMES AFTER THE
08:17:41.430 MORNING SESSION, IN WHICH
08:17:44.234 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD DID NOT
08:17:46.102 APPEAR EVASIVE, APPEARED VERY
08:17:47.904 OPEN.
08:17:48.104 THE TOWN BETWEEN THE TWO
08:17:49.005 HEARINGS, MORNING AND
08:17:49.572 AFTERNOON, CERTAINLY VERY
08:17:50.139 DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE
08:17:51.174 ARE HEARING FROM BOTH THE
08:17:52.375 PRINCIPLES INVOLVED.
08:17:58.548 IT IS AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT
08:17:59.449 FOR THE SENATORS TO GO THROUGH.
08:18:00.950 >> THE REPUBLICANS HAVE THEIR
08:18:09.592 GAME PLAN ON.
08:18:10.327 THEY ARE COHESIVE THIS
08:18:10.993 úAFTERNO
08:18:11.294 I THINK YOU COULD SAY THEY WERE
08:18:12.495 COHESIVE THIS MORNING AND THEY
08:18:13.730 MADE A DECISION NOT TO THE
08:18:21.137 QUESTIONING, BUT TO USE THE
08:18:22.539 PROFESSIONAL PROSECUTOR DO THE
08:18:25.208 QUESTIONING FOR WHAT GOOD OR
08:18:27.010 BAD ACTED THEM.
08:18:27.644 THEY TREATED DR. FORD WITH
08:18:29.646 RESPECT AND IT'S OF THE IDEA
08:18:32.248 THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED TO DR.
08:18:33.984 FORD AND IT JUST WASN'T BRETT
08:18:35.285 KAVANAUGH.
08:18:35.585 THERE IS A FEELING OF SYMPATHY
08:18:36.653 AND EMPATHY.
08:18:37.487 THEY PLAYED THE ROLE OF BEING
08:18:39.055 THE GOOD GUYS.
08:18:50.767 EVEN WITH A POLITICAL MESSAGE
08:18:51.634 TO GIVE, IT IS HIGHLY COHESIVE.
08:19:03.780 THEY'RE COMING TO A POINT TO
08:19:04.948 GET WHAT THEY WANT, AND WHAT
08:19:06.082 THEY WANT ARE THESE FEW VOTES
08:19:06.983 THAT MAY BE UP IN THE AIR.
08:19:08.284 YOU KNOW, THE GAUNTLET -- IT'S
08:19:09.552 BEEN DROPPED.
08:19:09.885 YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT UP OR ELSE
08:19:12.221 LOOK WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
08:19:12.956 THE ONLY THING I SEE AS A WORRY
08:19:14.357 FOR BRETT KAVANAUGH, AS HE TAKES
08:19:18.595 THIS BREAK AND HAS A GLASS OF
08:19:20.130 WATER OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT
08:19:22.565 CENTERS HIM, OR GIVES A HUG TO
08:19:28.304 HIS WIFE, TO FEEL SUPPORT, HE
08:19:30.807 MUST BE CAREFUL OF NOT LOSING
08:19:32.675 HIS TEMPER.
08:19:33.409 THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT HE
08:19:34.878 REALLY HAS TO WATCH.
08:19:36.079 >> DO YOU THINK THERE ARE
08:19:37.547 PEOPLE TELLING HIM THAT RIGHT
08:19:39.315 NOW?
08:19:39.682 >> I THINK SOMEONE HAS TOLD HIM
08:19:42.285 THAT ALREADY OR HE KNOWS IT.
08:19:43.820 THE DEMOCRATS, AS THEY GO DOWN
08:19:46.389 THE LINE, THEY WILL TRY TO BAIT
08:19:48.825 HIM.
08:19:50.026 ONE OF THE FEW THINGS IN THIS
08:19:52.962 EXAMINATION, BESIDES IF YOU
08:19:54.164 WANT THE FBI INVESTIGATION, IS
08:19:55.331 THE IDEA OF HIS BEING A
08:19:57.400 BELLIGERENT DRUNK AND ACTING
08:19:58.067 OUT IN A WAY THAT WAS OUT OF
08:20:02.539 CHARACTER.
08:20:02.839 SO, THAT PERSON, THE
08:20:04.741 BELLIGERENT DRUNK, THE ABUSIVE
08:20:05.908 DRUNK, THE DRUNK WHO MIGHT NOT
08:20:07.777 REMEMBER WHAT HE DID AND DO
08:20:09.312 SOMETHING ON TOWARD, THAT
08:20:10.680 PERSON WOULD NOT BE FIT TO BE
08:20:13.149 ON THE U.S. SUPREME COURT.
08:20:14.184 >> ALSO ABOUT BEING TRUTHFUL.
08:20:15.218 I KNOW IT'S SMALL AND I CAN
08:20:17.720 ONLY IMAGINE WHAT WE WOULD BE
08:20:19.155 GOING THROUGH IF WE RELIVED
08:20:20.857 WHAT WE DID AND PUT IN OUR
08:20:22.125 YEARBOOK IN HIGH SCHOOL AND
08:20:22.926 WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT, THIS IS ONE
08:20:25.795 OF THE MOST IMPORTANT JOBS IN
08:20:26.963 THE COUNTRY, IF NOT THE WORLD.
08:20:32.001 SO MUCH OF IT DEPENDS ON
08:20:33.102 HONESTY AND TRUTHFULNESS.
08:20:33.870 THE PARTS ABOUT THE YEARBOOK,
08:20:35.004 SPECIFICALLY ABOUT RENATE.
08:20:40.543 AS SMALL AS IT MAY BE, BOYS
08:20:43.012 TREATED GIRLS BADLY IN HIGH
08:20:43.847 SCHOOL, AND FOR HIM TO
08:20:44.714 DEFINITIVELY SAY THAT SHE WAS
08:20:45.782 ONE OF US AND THIS WAS HER
08:20:52.455 BEING BUDDIES WITH THE BOYS AND
08:20:54.657 WE HAD HIGH RESPECT.
08:20:56.826 HEARING HER SIDE OF THE STORY,
08:20:58.561 I FIND IT PERSONALLY SO HARD TO
08:21:00.563 BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT THAT
08:21:02.499 MEANT. I
08:21:02.932 KNOW IT'S SMALL BUT IN THE
08:21:04.834 LARGER SCHEME OF THINGS WHEN
08:21:06.336 YOU TALK ABOUT SOMEONE'S
08:21:08.304 CHARACTER, FOR HIM TO STAND BY
08:21:10.006 THE STATEMENT THAT SHE WAS ONE
08:21:11.741 OF US -- I DON'T KNOW -- THAT
08:21:13.109 DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME.
08:21:16.912 >> HE TOOK ISSUE WITH THE FOLKS
08:21:20.617 THAT ORGANIZE THE YEARBOOK.
08:21:21.851 >> YOU HAVE TO THINK BACK, THIS
08:21:23.086 WAS 1982.
08:21:23.520 IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME.
08:21:26.890 >> I MEAN, THAT WAS PART OF
08:21:34.764 THIS, PROBABLY MAYBE EVEN
08:21:36.833 WORSE.
08:21:37.066 THOSE WERE THE MOVIES, ANIMAL
08:21:40.103 HOUSE.
08:21:40.336 THEY WOULDN'T MAKE THOSE MOVIES
08:21:42.038 TODAY.
08:21:42.271 >> THE DEMOCRATIC EFFORT IS THAT
08:21:43.873 PRESUMABLY THEY ARE INQUIRING
08:21:44.974 IN THIS AREA BECAUSE THEY WANT
08:21:46.109 TO KNOW IF THE KAVANAUGH
08:21:48.978 DESCRIBED BY HIS FRIEND IN THE
08:21:51.214 BOOK ABOUT EXCESSIVE DRINKING
08:21:53.016 AND THE KAVANAUGH DESCRIBED BY
08:21:54.951 DR. FORD, IF THAT PERSON IS
08:21:58.421 EVEN ONE THAT IS POSSIBLE TO
08:21:59.956 APPROACH BY EVIDENCE THEY CAN
08:22:01.257 GATHER FROM INQUIRING FROM HIM.
08:22:03.226 BUT, THAT FRAMING HAS BEEN LOST
08:22:05.461 A LITTLE AND THERE'S JUST
08:22:06.729 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE YEARBOOK.
08:22:08.231 ANYBODY WHO HASN'T BEEN
08:22:09.165 FOLLOWING THIS QUITE CLOSELY
08:22:10.433 WITH THING, WHY ARE THEY ASKING
08:22:11.601 ABOUT THE YEARBOOK?
08:22:12.068 WHY IS THAT RELEVANT?
08:22:13.937 THAT IS A CHALLENGE FOR
08:22:16.439 DEMOCRATS.
08:22:16.739 >> OUTSIDE OF THE YEARBOOK AND
08:22:18.675 THE CREDIBILITY OF THE
08:22:22.846 ALLEGATIONS, SO MUCH OF THIS
08:22:24.080 HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON THE
08:22:25.114 TIMELINE.
08:22:26.316 THAT IS REPUBLICANS TALKING
08:22:29.018 THIS MORNING ABOUT, WHY DIDN'T
08:22:35.824 YOU TELL US THIS EARLIER AND
08:22:37.660 DEMOCRATS SAYING, WHY CAN WE
08:22:38.628 TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME AND
08:22:39.729 HAVE THIS FBI INVESTIGATION?
08:22:45.735 SO MUCH OF IT HAS RETURNED
08:22:48.204 TODAY, TO THAT TIMING ISSUE.
08:22:50.172 >> OF COURSE.
08:22:51.540 THAT WAS EXACTLY WHERE RACHEL
08:22:53.576 MITCHELL WAS GOING THIS
08:22:54.944 MORNING.
08:22:56.045 SHE SPENT, I WOULD SAY, AT
08:22:58.548 LEAST HALF OF HER FIVE MINUTE
08:23:00.716 INTERVIEWS DEALING WITH THE
08:23:03.219 TIMELINE AND THAT IS A
08:23:05.154 POLITICAL INQUIRY, NOT A
08:23:05.855 FACTUAL CREDIBILITY INQUIRY.
08:23:06.455 THAT LED TO THE FOUNDATION FOR
08:23:08.725 EXACTLY WHERE LINDSEY GRAHAM
08:23:09.959 WAS GOING TO GO.
08:23:15.031 SO, I THINK THAT THEY'VE
08:23:17.367 THOUGHT THIS OUT ON THE
08:23:20.036 REPUBLICAN SIDE.
08:23:20.770 IN A WAY, PERHAPS, THAT THE
08:23:23.640 DEMOCRATS HAVE NOT, WHICH
08:23:25.208 SURPRISES ME.
08:23:25.541 >> I ALSO THINK REPUBLICANS
08:23:28.177 GENUINELY BELIEVE.
08:23:28.610 THEY KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS.
08:23:30.413 DEMOCRATS SAY THEY WANT THE FBI
08:23:32.415 INVESTIGATION.
08:23:32.782 HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE?
08:23:33.783 YOU GET THAT NOW, WE NEED
08:23:36.052 ANOTHER HEARING ON THAT WILL
08:23:38.154 TAKE ANOTHER TWO WEEKS TO
08:23:39.055 SCHEDULE THE HEARING BECAUSE
08:23:40.023 SHE'S GOT TO COME BACK AND THEY
08:23:41.090 HAVE TO GET WITNESSES.
08:23:42.392 ONE OF THEM IS VERY ILL AND WE
08:23:45.662 MAY NOT GET HER BACK.
08:23:46.396 THAT'S ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR
08:23:47.263 WEEKS.
08:23:47.496 NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO
08:23:51.034 THE MIDTERMS.
08:23:52.802 THEY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN
08:23:54.037 EFFORT TO PUSH THIS PAST THE
08:23:55.038 MIDTERMS, DEFEAT BRETT KAVANAUGH
08:23:58.708 AND THEN NO OTHER NOMINEE WILL
08:24:00.877 EVER BE CONFIRMED IF DEMOCRATS
08:24:02.578 TAKE THE SENATE.
08:24:04.280 THEY WILL KEEP THAT SEAT OPEN.
08:24:05.214 IN SOME WAYS, THIS IS PAYBACK
08:24:06.215 FOR MERRICK GARLAND.
08:24:09.218 SO, REPUBLICANS REALLY SEE THAT
08:24:10.053 AS THE GAME PLAN.
08:24:10.720 THAT IS WHY THEY THINK THE FBI
08:24:17.493 INVESTIGATION IS A PURE SMOKE
08:24:18.828 SCREEN.
08:24:19.061 >> THAT IS HOW KAVANAUGH SEES
08:24:21.030 IT, UNDOUBTEDLY.
08:24:22.298 THAT IS WHY HE IS NOT SAYING
08:24:24.734 SURE, HAVE THE FBI, BECAUSE
08:24:25.702 THERE IS A LOT --
08:24:26.536 >> WHEN REPUBLICANS SAY DELAY,
08:24:27.470 THERE IS -- IT'S FACTUAL AND
08:24:35.979 THERE IS TRUTH IN IT.
08:24:36.879 >> IS ALSO FIGHTING FOR HIS
08:24:38.547 CHARACTER.
08:24:38.848 FORGIVE ME IF I'M WRONG BECAUSE
08:24:40.717 I MAY WELL BE.
08:24:41.283 TO DR. FORD INITIALY ASKED TO
08:24:42.184 SPEAK AFTER HIM?
08:24:44.120 >> IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC
08:24:45.254 OPINION, AS WERE -- AS YOU ARE
08:24:51.361 SAYING, IF SOMEONE JUST TURNED
08:24:52.862 THIS ON AND WATCHED JUDGE
08:24:54.597 KAVANAUGH, THERE IS A LOT TO
08:24:56.065 TAKE AWAY FROM HIM, FROM HIS
08:24:57.667 EMOTION AND WHAT SEEMED TO BE
08:24:59.402 PAIN THAT HE AND HIS FAMILY HAD
08:25:00.503 GONE THROUGH, FROM HIS
08:25:03.005 STEADFASTNESS AND SAYING I WAS
08:25:05.842 NOT THERE AND THIS DID NOT
08:25:07.610 HAPPEN.
08:25:07.843 COMPARE THAT TO EVERYONE'S
08:25:09.312 REACTION AFTER WATCHING DR.
08:25:10.546 FORD.
08:25:10.980 IF YOU HAD ONLY SEEN ONE, YOU
08:25:13.716 WOULD SAY BOTH ARE EQUALLY
08:25:15.651 COMPELLING, RIGHT?
08:25:16.118 >> IN AMERICA, IF YOU ARE
08:25:18.454 ACCUSED OF SOMETHING, OR SYSTEM
08:25:19.555 OF JUSTICE -- AND I KNOW IT'S
08:25:21.424 NOT A COURT ROOM -- BUT IF YOU
08:25:24.827 ARE ACCUSED OF SOMETHING, YOU
08:25:27.029 ARE ENTITLED TO HEAR THE
08:25:28.197 ALLEGATIONS AGAINST YOU BEFORE
08:25:30.800 YOU RESPOND.
08:25:31.133 THE SUGGESTION THAT HE WOULD GO
08:25:32.335 FIRST, THE INITIAL SUGGESTION,
08:25:33.770 WHICH FUELS DISTRESS BY
08:25:36.038 REPUBLICANS, BY THE WAY, BUT
08:25:38.341 BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT'S ALL
08:25:39.475 DEMOCRATIC OPERATIVES, THE
08:25:40.042 SUGGESTION WAS AND WHAT THEY
08:25:41.077 WOULD ARGUE FOR -- WHAT THEY
08:25:43.012 ARGUE WITH IS THAT HE WOULD
08:25:45.181 TESTIFY AND THEN SHE WOULD
08:25:46.149 TESTIFY AND HE WOULD HAVE NO
08:25:46.949 CHANCE FOR REBUTTAL.
08:25:51.119 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FAIR
08:25:52.822 PROCESS, I MEAN -- IF YOU ARE
08:25:54.824 ACCUSED OF SOMETHING, YOU HAVE
08:25:55.925 TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT THE
08:25:59.662 ALLEGATIONS ARE AGAINST YOU AND
08:26:00.530 TO RESPOND.
08:26:00.830 THIS IS AMERICA.
08:26:01.264 >> REPUBLICANS MUST BE FEELING
08:26:02.932 BETTER NOW.
08:26:05.601 >> A LOT BETTER.
08:26:06.602 >> AS THEY MAKE THEIR WAY BACK
08:26:08.771 TO THE HEARING ROOM, WE BELIEVE
08:26:11.007 THIS BREAK IS ENDING VERY SOON,
08:26:12.875 I WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE TO
08:26:14.143 LISTEN TO BOTH OF THE
08:26:15.077 PRINCIPLES.
08:26:15.377 WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SOUND
08:26:19.749 FROM THE MOST RECENT TESTIMONY
08:26:20.483 AND THAT IS JUDGE KAVANAUGH.
08:26:26.556 >> THE OTHER NIGHT, ASHLEY AND
08:26:27.523 MY DAUGHTER ELIZA SAID PRAYERS.
08:26:28.724 ELIZA, 10 YEARS OLD -- SAID TO
08:26:38.601 ASHLEY, WE SHOULD PRAY FOR THE
08:26:39.768 WOMAN.
08:26:42.905 THAT'S A LOT OF WISDOM FROM A
08:26:46.576 10-YEAR-OLD.
08:26:48.644 WE MEAN NO ILL WILL.
08:26:57.086 >> NOW, IF WE CAN, SOME OF THE
08:27:01.624 MOST EMOTIONAL TESTIMONY WE
08:27:02.625 HEARD FROM THE MORNING.
08:27:04.459 ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT
08:27:05.528 CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD WAS ASKED
08:27:06.429 THIS MORNING, WAS WHAT WAS MOST
08:27:08.297 MEMORABLE ABOUT THAT NIGHT IN
08:27:10.600 1982, FOR HER.
08:27:13.636 >> WE DON'T HAVE IT.
08:27:22.778 WE WILL TRY TO GET THAT BECAUSE
08:27:24.280 I THINK, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S
08:27:24.947 IMPORTANT FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T
08:27:32.755 SEEN THE ENTIRETY, AS WE HAVE,
08:27:34.557 IT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE AND
08:27:35.391 MORE HELPFUL FOR SENATORS TO
08:27:40.763 HEAR EVERYTHING.
08:27:41.163 BRETT KAVANAUGH SITTING BACK
08:27:42.932 DOWN NOW.
08:28:34.383 >> JUDGE, ARE YOU READY?
08:28:35.217 >> I AM READY.
08:28:35.918 CAN I SAY ONE THING?
08:28:38.921 >> YES.
08:28:40.590 >> I STARTED MY LAST COLLOQUY
08:28:41.823 BY SAYING TO SENATOR KLOBUCHAR
08:28:43.025 HOW MUCH I RESPECTED HER AND
08:28:44.193 WHAT SHE DID AT THE LAST
08:28:45.227 HEARING AND SHE ASKED ME A
08:28:47.597 QUESTION AT THE END THAT I
08:28:48.664 RESPONDED BY ASKING HER A
08:28:49.798 QUESTION.
08:28:50.065 I'M SORRY I DID THAT.
08:28:51.867 THIS IS A TOUGH PROCESS AND I'M
08:28:52.901 SORRY ABOUT THAT.
08:28:54.270 >> I APPRECIATE THAT. I
08:28:55.671 WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT WHEN YOU
08:28:58.274 HAVE A PARENT THAT IS
08:28:59.275 ALCOHOLIC, YOU ARE PRETTY
08:29:00.076 CAREFUL ABOUT DRINKING AND THE
08:29:02.011 SECOND THING, I WAS TRULY JUST
08:29:03.446 TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF
08:29:05.714 THE FACTS AND THE EVIDENCE.
08:29:07.483 AGAIN, I BELIEVE WE DO THAT BY
08:29:09.418 OPENING UP THE FBI
08:29:10.553 INVESTIGATION AND I WOULD CALL
08:29:12.321 IT A BACKGROUND CHECK INSTEAD OF
08:29:15.291 INVESTIGATION.
08:29:15.658 THANK YOU.
08:29:16.025 >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
08:29:16.826 >> SENATOR HATCH?
08:29:18.060 >> THANK YOU, JUDGE.
08:29:18.761 WELCOME.
08:29:19.028 WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE.
08:29:22.598 I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW
08:29:24.533 WORDS.
08:29:25.034 MY FRIEND FROM ARIZONA
08:29:27.036 EMPHASIZED YESTERDAY THAT WE
08:29:27.803 HAVE, BEFORE US TODAY, TWO
08:29:28.771 HUMAN BEINGS.
08:29:29.104 DR. FORD AND JUDGE KAVANAUGH.
08:29:32.341 THEY DESERVE, EACH OF YOU
08:29:33.075 DESERVE TO BE TREATED FAIRLY
08:29:38.614 AND RESPECTFULLY.
08:29:39.248 WE TRIED TO DO THAT WITH THE
08:29:41.584 DOCTOR FORD EARLIER AND I THINK
08:29:42.585 WE SUCCEEDED.
08:29:43.085 IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TREAT
08:29:43.786 JUDGE KAVANAUGH FAIRLY, NOW.
08:29:47.256 IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN HOW
08:29:48.524 THAT'S GOING TO WORK OUT.
08:29:49.257 JUDGE KAVANAUGH HAS BEEN A
08:29:50.593 FEDERAL JUDGE FOR 12 YEARS AND
08:29:56.399 HAS BEEN A GREAT FEDERAL JUDGE
08:29:58.401 ON THE SECOND HIGHEST COURT IN
08:30:00.236 THE NATION.
08:30:00.670 HE'S EARNED A REPUTATION FOR
08:30:01.337 FAIRNESS AND DECENCY.
08:30:01.903 HIS CLERKS LOVE HIM.
08:30:07.343 HIS STUDENTS -- HE TEACHES IN
08:30:09.945 LAW SCHOOL.
08:30:10.546 HIS STUDENTS LOVE HIM.
08:30:11.847 HIS COLLEAGUES LOVE HIM.
08:30:12.782 THIS MAN IS NOT A MONSTER, NOR
08:30:13.883 IS HE WHAT HAS BEEN REPRESENTED
08:30:15.451 HERE IN THESE HEARINGS.
08:30:20.155 WE ARE TALKING TODAY ABOUT
08:30:21.123 JUDGE KAVANAUGH'S CONDUCT IN
08:30:21.723 HIGH SCHOOL.
08:30:22.424 EVEN THEN, AS A FRESHMAN IN
08:30:31.567 COLLEGE, I GUESS, AS WELL.
08:30:32.635 SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS HAVE BEEN
08:30:33.269 RAISED IF JUDGE KAVANAUGH
08:30:34.370 COMMITTED SEXUAL ASSAULT, HE
08:30:37.339 SHOULD NOT SERVE ON THE SUPREME
08:30:40.409 COURT.
08:30:40.642 I THINK WE SHOULD WOULD ALL
08:30:42.678 AGREE WITH THAT.
08:30:43.512 THE CIRCUS ATMOSPHERE CREATED
08:30:44.346 SINCE THE DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES
08:30:45.715 FOR SLEEP THE ALLEGATIONS TO
08:30:46.549 THE MEDIA TWO WEEKS AGO, AFTER
08:30:47.817 SITTING ON THEM FOR SIX WEEKS,
08:30:53.756 I MIGHT ADD, IT'S BROUGHT US
08:30:56.425 THE WORST IN OUR POLITICS.
08:30:57.759 IT CERTAINLY HAS BROUGHT US NO
08:30:59.528 CLOSER TO THE TRUTH.
08:31:00.762 ANONYMOUS LETTERS WITH NO NAME
08:31:02.998 AND NO RETURN ADDRESS ARE NOT
08:31:05.167 BEING TREATED AS NATIONAL --
08:31:06.202 ARE NOW BEING TREATED AS
08:31:06.969 NATIONAL NEWS.
08:31:07.336 PORN STAR LAWYERS WITH
08:31:11.707 IMPLAUSIBLE CLIENTS ARE DRIVING
08:31:13.209 THE NEWS CYCLE. I
08:31:14.075 HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT THIS IS
08:31:16.011 WORSE THAN ROBERT BORK AND I
08:31:18.080 DIDN'T THINK IT COULD GET WORSE
08:31:19.582 THAN THAT.
08:31:20.116 IT'S WORSE THAN CLARENCE THOMAS
08:31:21.383 AND I DIDN'T THINK IT COULD GET
08:31:22.918 ANY WORSE THAN THAT.
08:31:23.452 THIS IS A NATIONAL DISGRACE THE
08:31:24.720 WAY YOU ARE BEING TREATED.
08:31:28.824 IN THE MIDDLE OF IT ALL WE HAVE
08:31:31.193 JUDGE KAVANAUGH, A MAN UNTIL
08:31:33.162 TWO WEEKS AGO, WAS A PILLAR OF
08:31:34.897 THE LEGAL COMMUNITY AND THERE'S
08:31:35.931 BEEN NO WHISPER OF MISCONDUCT
08:31:36.932 BY HIM IN THE TIME HE'S BEEN A
08:31:38.667 JUDGE.
08:31:43.372 BUT WE HAVE ARE UNCORROBORATED,
08:31:44.440 UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS FROM HIS
08:31:46.442 TEENAGE YEARS!
08:31:48.678 CRIMES THAT EVERY A LODGE AND
08:31:49.578 EYE WITNESS HAS EITHER DENIED
08:31:54.784 OR FAILED TO CORROBORATE.
08:31:55.617 I DID NOT MEAN TO MINIMIZE THE
08:31:56.719 SERIOUSNESS OF THE CLAIMS.
08:32:01.724 THEY'VE BEEN SERIOUS CLAIMS BUT
08:32:02.858 THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH HAS TO
08:32:03.893 INVOLVE MORE THAN BARE
08:32:07.029 ASSERTIONS.
08:32:09.532 LIKE DR. FORD, JUDGE KAVANAUGH
08:32:11.467 DESERVES FAIR TREATMENT.
08:32:12.634 HE WAS AN IMMATURE
08:32:14.169 HIGHSCHOOLER.
08:32:14.536 SO WERE WE ALL.
08:32:14.937 THAT HE WROTE OR SAID STUPID
08:32:16.038 THINGS DOES NOT MAKE HIM A
08:32:18.908 SEXUAL PREDATOR PREDATOR.
08:32:21.811 I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE OF MY
08:32:23.779 COLLEAGUES TO TEAR DOWN THIS
08:32:24.547 MAN AT ANY COST.
08:32:26.015 I DO UNDERSTAND IT BUT LET'S AT
08:32:28.416 LEAST BE FAIR AND LOOK AT THE
08:32:31.754 FACT OR THE ABSENCE THEREOF.
08:32:34.823 GUILT BY ASSOCIATION IS WRONG.
08:32:36.058 IMMATURITY DOES NOT EQUAL
08:32:37.226 CRIMINALITY.
08:32:37.559 JUDGE KAVANAUGH DRANK IN HIGH
08:32:39.228 SCHOOL OR COLLEGE, BUT THAT
08:32:41.664 DOESN'T MAKE HIM GUILTY OF
08:32:43.566 EVERY TERRIBLE THING THAT HE'S
08:32:44.700 RECENTLY BEEN ACCUSED OF.
08:32:45.534 A LIFETIME OF RESPECT AND EQUAL
08:32:46.569 TREATMENT OUGHT TO MEAN
08:32:47.102 SOMETHING WHEN ASSESSING
08:32:52.741 ALLEGATIONS THAT ARE FLATLY
08:32:54.477 INCONSISTENT WITH THE COURSE OF
08:32:56.345 A PERSON'S ENTIRE ADULT LIFE.
08:32:57.980 WITH THOSE COMMENTS, JUDGE, I'D
08:33:00.049 LIKE TO ASK IF YOU QUESTIONS,
08:33:02.051 IF I CAN.
08:33:02.618 AND, IF YOU CAN BE SHORT IN
08:33:04.453 YOUR ANSWERS IT WOULD HELP ME
08:33:06.388 GET THROUGH A BUNCH OF THEM.
08:33:07.723 IT'S ABOUT HOW THIS PROCESS HAS
08:33:10.192 UNFOLDED.
08:33:10.458 WHEN DID YOU FIRST LEARNED OF
08:33:11.560 DR. FORD'S ALLEGATIONS AGAINST
08:33:12.194 YOU?
08:33:12.394 >> IT WAS A WEEK AGO SUNDAY
08:33:17.099 WHEN THE WASHINGTON POST STORY.
08:33:18.767 >> ISN'T THAT AMAZING?
08:33:19.968 DID THE RANKING MEMBER RAISES
08:33:21.837 ALLEGATIONS IN YOUR ONE-ON-ONE
08:33:22.938 MEETING WITH HER LAST MONTH?
08:33:24.340 >> SHE DID NOT.
08:33:25.774 EXPECTED THE RANKING MEMBER
08:33:26.442 RAISE THEM AT YOUR PUBLIC
08:33:27.343 HEARING EARLIER THIS MONTH?
08:33:28.544 >> NO.
08:33:31.013 >> TO THE RANKING MEMBER RAISE
08:33:32.681 THEM AT THE CLOSED SESSION THAT
08:33:33.816 FOLLOWED THE PUBLIC HEARING?
08:33:34.550 >> SHE WAS NOT THERE.
08:33:35.484 EXPECTED THE RANKING MEMBER OR
08:33:36.285 ANY OF HER COLLEAGUES RAISE THEM
08:33:43.692 IN THE 1300 WRITTEN QUESTIONS
08:33:45.094 THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO YOU
08:33:46.495 FOLLOWING THE HEARING?
08:33:47.796 >> NO.
08:33:48.030 >> ONE WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT
08:33:50.132 THE RANKING MEMBER AND HER
08:33:50.933 STAFF ASKED YOU ABOUT THESE
08:33:52.735 ALLEGATIONS?
08:33:53.068 >> TODAY.
08:33:58.707 >> WHEN DID YOU FIRST HEAR OF
08:34:00.175 THE ALLEGATIONS FROM DEBORAH
08:34:01.443 RAMIREZ AGAINST YOU?
08:34:04.813 >> IN THE LAST PERIOD SINCE
08:34:07.015 THEN, IN THE NEW YORKER STORY.
08:34:09.184 >> TO THE RANKING MEMBER OR ANY
08:34:11.553 OF HER COLLEAGUES OR STAFF
08:34:13.622 ASKED ABOUT THE ALLEGATIONS
08:34:14.290 FROM MS. RAMIREZ BEFORE THEY
08:34:15.557 WERE LEAKED TO THE PRESS?
08:34:16.558 >> NO.
08:34:17.459 >> ONE WAS THE FIRST TIME THE
08:34:19.028 RANKING MEMBER OR ANY OF HER
08:34:20.229 COLLEAGUES OR ANY OF THEIR
08:34:21.530 STAFF ASKED YOU ABOUT MS.
08:34:27.136 RAMIREZ'S ALLEGATIONS?
08:34:27.769 >> TODAY.
08:34:28.503 >> I THINK IT'S A DISGRACE.
08:34:29.405 >> SENATOR
08:34:29.805 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
08:34:35.778 JUDGE KAVANAUGH, TODAY'S
08:34:38.180 HEARING IS ABOUT DR. FORD'S
08:34:39.882 SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS ABOUT
08:34:40.749 SEXUAL ASSAULT.
08:34:41.483 YOU HAVE UNEQUIVOCALLY DENIED
08:34:43.319 THOSE CLAIMS.
08:34:43.652 WE ARE HERE TODAY TO ASSESS HER
08:34:47.623 CREDIBILITY AND YOURS.
08:34:49.458 AND, IN OUR PREVIOUS VIGOROUS
08:34:51.059 EXCHANGES AND PREVIOUS
08:34:52.494 CONFIRMATION HEARING ROUNDS, I
08:34:53.896 FOUND THAT YOUR ANSWERS, AT
08:34:55.931 TIMES, VIGOROUSLY DEFENDED BUT
08:34:57.833 OTHER TIMES STRUCK ME AS
08:34:59.201 EVASIVE OR NOT CREDIBLE ON KEY
08:35:01.270 ISSUES.
08:35:01.503 IT'S AGAINST THAT BACKDROP THAT
08:35:02.805 I SEEK TO ASSESS YOUR
08:35:04.773 CREDIBILITY TODAY.
08:35:05.206 YOU SAID IN YOUR OPENING THAT
08:35:07.075 RULE OF LAW MEANS TAKING
08:35:08.644 ALLEGATIONS SERIOUSLY AND I
08:35:09.277 AGREE WITH THAT.
08:35:10.079 IT BRINGS ME NO JOY TO QUESTION
08:35:12.047 YOU ON THESE TOPICS TODAY BUT I
08:35:14.016 DO THINK THEY ARE SERIOUS AND I
08:35:15.551 THINK THEY ARE WORTHY OF OUR
08:35:18.020 ATTENTION.
08:35:18.320 SO, LET ME, IF I CAN, RETURN TO
08:35:21.056 A LINE OF QUESTIONING MY
08:35:25.394 COLLEAGUE WAS ON BEFORE.
08:35:25.927 IT WAS ABOUT WHETHER YOU'VE
08:35:26.729 EVER GOTTEN AGGRESSIVE WHILE
08:35:28.464 DRINKING OUR FORGOTTEN AN
08:35:29.365 EVENING AFTER DRINKING.
08:35:30.032 >> THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT
08:35:30.999 QUESTIONS.
08:35:33.535 I'VE ALREADY ANSWERED THE
08:35:34.603 SECOND ONE.
08:35:34.937 AS TO THE FIRST, I THINK THE
08:35:40.409 ANSWER TO THAT IS BASICALLY,
08:35:42.544 NO. I
08:35:42.744 DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN
08:35:44.613 BY THAT.
08:35:45.114 WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
08:35:46.748 >> WELL, THE REASON --
08:35:47.549 >> I DON'T MEAN IT THAT WAY.
08:35:50.319 BUT, NO IS THE BASIC ANSWER
08:35:51.754 UNLESS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
08:35:52.954 SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF
08:35:57.893 THAT YOU ARE GOING TO ASK
08:35:59.661 ABOUT.
08:35:59.895 >> THE REASON I'M ASKING --
08:36:02.197 WE'VE HAD A BRIEF PERIOD OF
08:36:03.365 TIME TO WAY OUTSIDE EVIDENCE
08:36:04.666 AND I WILL JOIN MY COLLEAGUES
08:36:07.036 IN SAYING THAT I WISH WE HAD
08:36:09.838 MORE EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF US
08:36:11.774 TODAY.
08:36:12.007 DO YOU REMEMBER LIZ SWISHER, A
08:36:13.709 COLLEGE CLASSMATE FROM YALE?
08:36:18.747 >> FIRST YOUR POINT ABOUT
08:36:20.582 OUTSIDE EVIDENCE, ALL FOUR
08:36:21.817 WITNESSES --
08:36:22.150 >> I'M TRYING TO GET THIS
08:36:23.419 QUESTION --
08:36:23.752 >> YOU MADE A POINT AND I JUST
08:36:24.987 WANT TO EMPHASIZE.
08:36:27.056 ALL FOUR IT WITNESSES WHO WERE
08:36:32.361 ALLEGEDLY AT THE EVENT HAVE
08:36:34.496 SAID IT DIDN'T HAPPEN INCLUDING
08:36:35.731 DR. FORD'S LONGTIME FRIEND,
08:36:37.433 LELAND KEISER.
08:36:38.033 >> IF MARK JUDGE WERE IN FRONT
08:36:39.668 OF US, WE COULD ASSESS HIS
08:36:42.871 CREDIBILITY.
08:36:43.204 LET ME GET THROUGH THIS, IF I
08:36:45.040 CAN, YOUR HONOR.
08:36:45.941 LIZ SWISHER IS A COLLEGE
08:36:48.610 CLASSMATE AND NOW A MEDICAL
08:36:50.445 DOCTOR.
08:36:50.679 I'M QUOTING FROM A RECENT
08:36:51.713 INTERVIEW SHE GAVE.
08:36:52.146 SHE SAID BRETT KAVANAUGH DRANK
08:36:54.750 MORE THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE.
08:36:56.852 HE DID END UP SLURRING HIS
08:36:58.921 WORDS, AND STUMBLING.
08:36:59.654 IT'S NOT CREDIBLE FOR HIM TO
08:37:00.789 SAY HE'S HAD NO MEMORY LAPSES
08:37:03.425 ON THE NIGHT HE DRANK TO
08:37:04.726 EXCESS. I
08:37:05.294 KNOW BECAUSE I DRINK WITH HIM.
08:37:06.995 HOW SHOULD WE ASSESS THAT?
08:37:08.697 >> SHE THEN GOES ON, IF YOU
08:37:11.733 KEPT READING AND SAYS SHE
08:37:12.734 ACTUALLY CAN'T POINT TO ANY
08:37:13.602 SPECIFIC INSTANCE LIKE THAT.
08:37:19.041 >> THE QUOTE THAT JUMPED OUT AT
08:37:20.542 ME WAS BRETT WAS A SLOPPY DRUNK
08:37:21.710 AND I KNOW BECAUSE I DRINK WITH
08:37:23.045 HIM.
08:37:23.245 >> I DON'T -- I DO NOT THINK
08:37:24.446 THAT IS A FAIR CHARACTERIZATION
08:37:30.386 AND CHRIS DUDLEY IS QUOTED IN
08:37:32.387 THAT ARTICLE. I
08:37:33.689 WOULD REFER YOU TO WHAT CHRIS
08:37:35.290 DUDLEY SAID.
08:37:35.657 I SPENT MORE TIME WITH CHRIS
08:37:37.359 DUDLEY IN COLLEGE THAN JUST
08:37:39.027 ABOUT ANYONE AND I REFER YOU TO
08:37:40.596 WHAT HE SAID.
08:37:41.162 >> AND OTHER REPORTING, AS I'M
08:37:43.966 SURE YOU KNOW, A COLLEGE
08:37:45.000 CLASSMATE DESCRIBED YOU AS
08:37:46.768 RELATIVELY SHY BUT SAID WHEN
08:37:48.537 YOU'RE DRANK YOU COULD BE
08:37:50.005 AGGRESSIVE OR EVEN BELLIGERENT.
08:37:51.840 YOUR ROOMMATE, AS YOU DISCUSS
08:37:53.542 WITH SENATOR KLOBUCHAR SAID YOU
08:37:55.377 WERE FREQUENTLY DRUNK.
08:37:56.478 >> THAT ROOMMATE -- THAT WAS
08:37:58.180 FRESHMAN YEAR ROOMMATE -- THERE
08:37:59.314 WAS CONTENTION BETWEEN HIM AND
08:38:00.916 THE THIRD PERSON.
08:38:01.316 THERE WERE THREE OF US IN A
08:38:03.285 SMALL ROOM AND YOU SHOULD LOOK
08:38:04.419 AT WHAT I SAID IN THE REDACTED
08:38:05.788 PORTION OF THE TRANSCRIPT ABOUT
08:38:07.055 HIM AND YOU SHOULD ASSESS HIS
08:38:10.859 CREDIBILITY WITH THAT IN MIND.
08:38:12.160 >> PUT YOURSELF IN OUR SHOES
08:38:13.629 FOR A MOMENT, IF YOU WHAT,
08:38:16.298 JUDGE. I
08:38:16.598 KNOW THAT'S ASKING A LOT OF YOU
08:38:19.034 IN THIS SETTING.
08:38:19.668 SUPPOSE YOU HAD GONE THROUGH A
08:38:21.703 PROCESS TO SELECT SOMEONE FOR
08:38:22.504 AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT JOB AND
08:38:24.473 A POSITION WHERE YOU HAD A LOT
08:38:25.774 OF QUALIFIED CANDIDATES AND AS
08:38:27.643 HE FINISHED THE HIRING PROCESS,
08:38:29.177 YOU LEARN OF A CREDIBLE
08:38:31.013 ALLEGATION THAT, IF TRUE, WOULD
08:38:34.283 BE DISQUALIFYING.
08:38:34.683 WOULD YOU TAKE A STEP BACK AND
08:38:36.818 TAKE THOROUGH INVESTIGATION OR
08:38:38.587 MOVE TO A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE?
08:38:40.222 WHY NOT AGREE TO A ONE-WEEK
08:38:42.858 PAUSE TO ALLOW THE FBI TO
08:38:44.826 INVESTIGATE ALL THESE
08:38:45.694 ALLEGATIONS AND ALLOW YOU AN
08:38:46.495 OPPORTUNITY A WEEK FROM NOW TO
08:38:48.664 HAVE THE FOLKS PRESENT IN FRONT
08:38:50.933 OF US FOR US TO ASSESS THEIR
08:38:52.968 CREDIBILITY AND FOR US TO
08:38:54.102 EITHER CLEAR YOUR NAME OR
08:38:57.105 RESOLVE THESE ALLEGATIONS BY
08:38:58.540 MOVING TO A DIFFERENT NOMINEE?
08:38:59.975 >> ALL FOUR WITNESSES WHO WERE
08:39:02.144 ALLEGED TO BE AT THE EVENT SAID
08:39:05.280 IT DIDN'T HAPPEN INCLUDING DR.
08:39:06.582 FORD'S LONGTIME FRIEND, MS.
08:39:07.149 LELAND KEYSER WHO SAID SHE
08:39:08.584 DIDN'T KNOW ME AND THAT SHE
08:39:10.318 DOES NOT RECALL EVER BEING AT A
08:39:12.087 PARTY WITH ME WITH OR WITHOUT
08:39:15.991 DR. FORD.
08:39:16.758 >> WHAT I STRUGGLED WITH, JUDGE
08:39:18.827 KAVANAUGH, IS THE ABSENCE OF
08:39:20.862 FAIR FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
08:39:22.264 DRIVEN NONPARTISAN PROCESS TO
08:39:23.498 QUESTION THE VARIOUS PEOPLE WHO
08:39:25.067 I THINK ARE CRITICAL TO THIS.
08:39:27.302 MY CONCERN, SHOULD YOU MOVE
08:39:28.470 FORWARD, IS WHAT IT WILL DO TO
08:39:29.838 THE CREDIBILITY OF THE COURT
08:39:35.010 AND HOW THAT MAY WELL HANG OVER
08:39:37.779 YOUR SERVICE.
08:39:38.679 I UNDERSTAND -- >> SIR, MY
08:39:40.615 REPUTATION -- >> AND CALLING
08:39:42.718 FOR THE FBI INVESTIGATION FOR
08:39:44.319 ONE WEEK, TO CLEAR OR CONFIRM
08:39:45.787 SOME OF THESE ALLEGATIONS.
08:39:47.055 >> WHEN YOU SAY A WEAK DELAY,
08:39:50.225 DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THE LAST
08:39:51.460 10 DAYS HAVE BEEN FOR US?
08:39:52.661 >> PROBABLY AN ETERNITY.
08:39:57.065 >> FOR US, EVERY DAY --
08:39:57.632 >> EVERY DAY HAS BEEN A
08:39:59.034 LIFETIME.
08:40:05.007 YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN
08:40:07.009 INVESTIGATED AND ALL FOUR
08:40:08.210 WITNESSES SAY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
08:40:09.645 AND THEY'VE SAID IT UNDER
08:40:10.612 PENALTY OF FELONY.
08:40:11.346 I'VE PRODUCED MY CALENDARS,
08:40:12.147 WHICH SHOW A LOT.
08:40:14.917 THAT'S IMPORTANT EVIDENCE.
08:40:21.323 YOU ACT LIKE -- I MEAN -- THE
08:40:24.393 LAST 10 DAYS -- I ASKED FOR A
08:40:26.428 HEARING THE DAY AFTER THE
08:40:27.796 ALLEGATION.
08:40:28.196 >> BEFORE I CALL ON SENATOR
08:40:29.831 LEE, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE
08:40:30.832 SOMETHING HERE.
08:40:31.199 TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING
08:40:32.367 WITHOUT ENOUGH TIME -- WE HAD
08:40:34.903 45 DAYS BETWEEN JULY 30 AND
08:40:43.745 SEPTEMBER 13, I BELIEVE IT IS,
08:40:45.147 WHEN WE COULD HAVE BEEN
08:40:46.615 INVESTIGATING THIS. IN REGARD
08:40:50.652 TO THIS CANDIDATE, IF YOU TAKE
08:40:53.054 THE AVERAGE OF 65-70 DAYS
08:40:54.489 BETWEEN THE TIME THAT A PERSON
08:40:56.592 IS ANNOUNCED BY THE PRESIDENT
08:40:58.660 AND THE SENATE VOTES ON IT,
08:41:04.633 IT'S ABOUT 65-70 DAYS AND HERE
08:41:05.934 WE ARE AT 85-90 DAYS.
08:41:11.973 THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME PUT IN
08:41:13.074 ON THIS NOMINATION.
08:41:14.209 SENATOR LEE?
08:41:14.776 WAIT A MINUTE. I
08:41:15.377 HAVE ONE OTHER THING.
08:41:16.445 EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN PUTTING
08:41:17.545 LETTERS IN THE RECORD.
08:41:24.553 I HAVE A LETTER HERE FROM 65
08:41:26.388 WOMEN WHO KNEW JUDGE KAVANAUGH
08:41:28.156 BETWEEN THE YEARS 1979 AND 1983,
08:41:31.026 THE YEARS HE ATTENDED
08:41:32.928 GEORGETOWN PREP HIGH SCHOOL.
08:41:33.861 THESE WOMEN WROTE TO THE
08:41:35.931 COMMITTEE BECAUSE THEY KNOW
08:41:37.666 JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND THEY KNOW
08:41:39.868 THAT THE ALLEGATIONS RAISED BY
08:41:41.870 DR. FORD ARE COMPLETELY,
08:41:42.771 TOTALLY INCONSISTENT WITH HIS
08:41:44.039 CHARACTER.
08:41:45.006 THESE 65 WOMEN KNOW HIM THROUGH
08:41:47.008 SOCIAL EVENTS AND CHURCH AND
08:41:48.844 MANY HAVE REMAINED CLOSE
08:41:50.312 FRIENDS WITH HIM.
08:41:51.580 HERE'S WHAT THEY SAY, PARTLY
08:41:52.614 QUOTING THE LETTER.
08:41:53.415 , QUOTE, THROUGH THE MORE THAN
08:41:56.385 35 YEARS WE'VE KNOWN HIM, BRETT
08:41:58.920 HAS STOOD OUT FOR HIS
08:42:00.288 FRIENDSHIP, CHARACTER AND
08:42:01.523 INTEGRITY.
08:42:01.823 HE HAS ALWAYS TREATED WOMEN
08:42:03.492 WITH DECENCY AND RESPECT.
08:42:04.659 THAT WAS TRUE IN HIGH SCHOOL
08:42:07.028 AND REMAINS TRUE TO THIS DAY.
08:42:09.431 IN CLOSING, THEY WROTE JUDGE
08:42:11.600 KAVANAUGH, QUOTE, HAS ALWAYS
08:42:12.901 BEEN A GOOD PERSON.
08:42:14.903 WITHOUT OBJECTION, I PUT IT IN
08:42:17.272 THE RECORD.
08:42:18.707 SENATOR LEE?
08:42:19.040 >> JUDGE KAVANAUGH, YOU'VE BEEN
08:42:20.342 COOPERATIVE AT EVERY STAGE OF
08:42:21.743 THE INVESTIGATION, THE
08:42:22.411 BACKGROUND AND THE
08:42:23.845 INVESTIGATION CONDUCTED BY THE
08:42:24.846 COMMITTEE.
08:42:25.547 IS THAT CORRECT?
08:42:26.715 >> YES.
08:42:26.948 >> IT'S ALSO CORRECT THAT YOU
08:42:29.518 DO NOT CONTROL THE FBI OR WHEN
08:42:31.353 IT CONDUCTS AN INVESTIGATION.
08:42:34.056 YOU ARE A NOMINEE, NOT TASKED
08:42:38.693 WITH THE JOB OF DECIDING WHO
08:42:40.095 AND HOW AN INVESTIGATION WILL
08:42:41.129 BE CONDUCTED?
08:42:41.462 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
08:42:41.929 >> IN EVERY MOMENT WHEN WE OR
08:42:44.466 PRIOR TO THE JURISDICTION, THE
08:42:46.535 FBI HAS ASKED YOU QUESTIONS,
08:42:48.036 YOU'VE BEEN ATTENTIVE AND
08:42:49.371 RESPONSIVE, ISN'T THAT RIGHT?
08:42:50.672 >> THAT'S CORRECT, THROUGHOUT
08:42:54.109 MY CAREER.
08:42:54.576 >> I HAVE COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE
08:42:56.311 REPEATEDLY ASKED FOR AN FBI
08:42:57.312 INVESTIGATION AND THERE ARE
08:42:58.213 SOME IRONIES IN THIS.
08:43:01.183 IRONIES THAT I'VE SAID ARE AT
08:43:03.685 AT LEAST TWO LEVELS.
08:43:04.185 AND THE FIRST PLACE, AT LEAST
08:43:05.620 ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES, AT LEAST
08:43:08.590 ONE OF THEM, HAD ACCESS TO THIS
08:43:10.358 INFORMATION MANY, MANY WEEKS
08:43:11.126 BEFORE ANYONE ELSE DID.
08:43:12.294 HAD THE ABILITY AND I BELIEVE
08:43:16.164 THE MORAL OBLIGATION TO REPORT
08:43:17.232 THOSE FACTS TO THE FBI.
08:43:18.767 AT THAT POINT, THEY COULD HAVE
08:43:20.435 AND WOULD HAVE BEEN
08:43:21.403 INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI AND IT
08:43:22.604 COULD'VE BEEN HANDLED IN SUCH A
08:43:24.272 WAY THAT DIDN'T TURN THIS INTO
08:43:25.540 A CIRCUS, ONE THAT TURNED YOUR
08:43:27.209 LIFE UPSIDE DOWN AND THAT OF
08:43:29.110 YOUR FAMILY AND THE LIFE OF DR.
08:43:32.180 FORD AND HER FAMILY -- UPSIDE
08:43:34.549 DOWN. I
08:43:35.250 CONSIDER THIS MOST UNFORTUNATE
08:43:36.518 GIVEN THAT IT'S ENTIRELY WITHIN
08:43:38.086 THE CONTROL OF AT LEAST ONE OF
08:43:39.488 MY DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES TO DO
08:43:40.322 THIS.
08:43:40.522 THE SECOND LEVEL OF IRONY HERE
08:43:43.959 IS THAT WHILE CALLING
08:43:45.160 REPEATEDLY FOR AN INVESTIGATION
08:43:46.461 BY THE FBI, AND INVESTIGATION
08:43:48.163 OVER WHICH YOU HAVE NO ABILITY
08:43:50.398 TO CONTROL, BY THE WAY, AND
08:43:51.800 INVESTIGATION YOU HAVE NO
08:43:53.134 AUTHORITY TO CALL FOR -- WE ARE
08:43:55.871 IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONVERSATION
08:43:57.172 THAT INVOLVES QUESTIONS TO YOU.
08:43:58.940 I ASKED MY DEMOCRATIC
08:44:00.475 COLLEAGUES IF YOU HAVE TWO
08:44:01.543 QUESTIONS FOR JUDGE KAVANAUGH,
08:44:03.011 ASK HIM.
08:44:03.278 HE'S RIGHT HERE.
08:44:04.279 IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT IS THE
08:44:06.915 TRUTH, ASK HIM QUESTIONS RIGHT
08:44:09.117 NOW.
08:44:09.651 IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF OTHER
08:44:11.520 WITNESSES, FOR THE LOVE THAT IS
08:44:13.355 SACRED AND HOLY, PARTICIPATE IN
08:44:15.624 THE COMMITTEE INVESTIGATIONS
08:44:16.558 THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON AS YOU
08:44:19.060 HAVE NOT BEEN PARTICIPATING.
08:44:20.528 WITH THE COMMITTEE STAFF
08:44:21.730 INVESTIGATING THE OUTSIDE
08:44:22.831 WITNESSES, IF SOMEONE WERE
08:44:24.666 INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH, THIS
08:44:25.700 IS WHAT THEY WOULD DO.
08:44:27.469 THEY WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE
08:44:29.638 INVESTIGATION AND WHEN WE HAVE
08:44:30.439 A COMMITTEE INVESTIGATION, A
08:44:31.439 COMMITTEE HEARING WITH LIVE
08:44:34.242 WITNESSES, THEY WOULD TALK
08:44:35.210 ABOUT THAT RATHER THAN
08:44:35.777 SOMETHING ELSE THEY WISHED THEY
08:44:37.178 WERE HAVING IN FRONT OF THEM.
08:44:38.780 IF WHAT THEY WANT IS A SEARCH
08:44:40.382 FOR THE TRUTH, THEN NOW IS THE
08:44:42.050 CHOICE.
08:44:42.283 ON THE OTHER HAND, IF WHAT THEY
08:44:45.187 WANT TO DO IS DELAY THIS UNTIL
08:44:47.455 AFTER THE ELECTION, WHICH AT
08:44:48.356 LEAST ONE OF MY ELECTION
08:44:49.891 COLLATE -- ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES
08:44:51.493 HAS ACKNOWLEDGE, THAT MIGHT BE
08:44:53.395 WHAT THEY WOULD DO.
08:44:54.695 FINALLY, I WANT TO POINT OUT
08:44:57.832 THAT THERE IS SIGNIFICANT
08:44:58.499 PRECEDENT FROM OUR FORMER
08:44:59.401 CHAIRMAN OF THIS COMMITTEE,
08:45:00.001 CHAIRMAN JOE BIDEN.
08:45:01.803 DURING THE CLARENCE THOMAS
08:45:02.604 HEARINGS, NEARLY THREE DECADES
08:45:06.708 AGO, CHAIRMAN BIDEN MADE SOME
08:45:11.012 INTERESTING OBSERVATIONS ABOUT
08:45:12.647 FBI REPORTS AND THEIR ROLE IN
08:45:14.416 THIS PROCESS.
08:45:14.749 HE SAID, QUOTE, THE NEXT PERSON
08:45:17.919 WHO REFERS TO THE FBI REPORT AS
08:45:20.655 BEING WORTH ANYTHING, OBVIOUSLY
08:45:21.422 DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING.
08:45:22.090 THE FBI EXPLICITLY DOES NOT IN
08:45:23.191 THIS OR ANY OTHER CASE REACH A
08:45:24.893 CONCLUSION, PERIOD.
08:45:31.066 THOSE ARE HIS COMMENTS, NOT
08:45:32.067 MINE.
08:45:32.267 THE REASON WE CANNOT RELY ON
08:45:33.301 THE FBI REPORT, YOU WOULD NOT
08:45:38.272 LIKE IT IF WE DID.
08:45:39.507 BECAUSE, IT IS INCONCLUSIVE.
08:45:41.209 WHEN PEOPLE WAIVE AND FBI
08:45:43.745 REPORT BEFORE YOU, UNDERSTAND
08:45:45.313 THEY DO NOT, THEY DO NOT REACH
08:45:48.550 CONCLUSIONS.
08:45:48.883 THEY DO NOT MAKE -- AS MY
08:45:50.819 FRIEND POINTS OUT MORE
08:45:51.853 ACCURATELY -- THEY DO NOT MAKE
08:45:53.521 RECOMMENDATIONS.
08:45:53.921 IN OTHER WORDS, THE ROLE OF THE
08:45:56.024 FBI IS TO FLAKE ISSUES AND
08:45:57.392 THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN FLAGGED.
08:45:58.860 SAID THE, IN THIS CASE, THEY
08:46:00.061 WERE NOT FLAGGED AS THEY SHOULD
08:46:01.997 HAVE BEEN OR THE TIMING THEY
08:46:03.832 SHOULD HAVE BEEN AND THEREFORE,
08:46:05.500 THEY COULDN'T HAVE BEEN
08:46:06.501 ADDRESSED IN THE MANNER THAT
08:46:07.569 WOULD'VE PRESERVED A LOT MORE
08:46:09.004 DIGNITY FOR YOU, YOUR FAMILY AND
08:46:11.406 DR. FORD AND HER FAMILY.
08:46:12.373 THEY WERE INSTEAD, HELD OUT
08:46:13.208 UNTIL THE FINAL MOMENT. I
08:46:18.412 CONSIDER THAT MOST UNFORTUNATE.
08:46:21.115 FOR THAT, ON BEHALF OF THIS
08:46:23.551 COMMITTEE, I EXTEND TO MY MOST
08:46:25.186 PROFOUND SYMPATHIES.
08:46:25.920 AND, MY MOST PROFOUND
08:46:26.588 SYMPATHIES TO DR. FORD AND HER
08:46:27.656 FAMILY, AS WELL.
08:46:32.427 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, SINCE WE DON'T
08:46:34.629 HAVE ENOUGH SLOTS, CAN I HAVE
08:46:35.764 THE LAST MINUTE OR -- THE LAST
08:46:36.931 MINUTE OF SENATOR LEE?
08:46:39.734 JUDGE, WE DID 38 HOURS IN
08:46:40.968 PUBLIC WITH YOU.
08:46:41.636 DID WE HAVE ANY PRIVATE
08:46:42.403 HEARINGS WITH YOU?
08:46:46.074 >> YES.
08:46:46.307 >> WAS AT A FUN TIME FOR YOU
08:46:50.478 WHEN SENATORS COULD ASK
08:46:51.980 QUESTIONS THAT WERE AWKWARD OR
08:46:52.914 UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT POTENTIAL
08:46:53.547 ALCOHOLISM, GAMBLING ADDICTION,
08:46:54.582 CREDIT CARD DEBT? IF BUDDIES
08:46:57.819 FLOATED MONEY TO BUY BASEBALL
08:46:59.921 TICKETS?
08:47:00.188 DID YOU ENJOY THE TIME WE SPENT
08:47:03.925 LATE ONE NIGHT?
08:47:04.292 >> I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO
08:47:06.360 COOPERATE WITH THE COMMITTEE.
08:47:07.729 >> THAT'S CHARITABLE.
08:47:08.196 WERE YOU EVER ASKED ABOUT ANY
08:47:10.665 SEXUAL ALLEGATIONS WHEN WE HAD
08:47:12.801 THAT TIME WITH YOU ALONE?
08:47:14.502 >> NO.
08:47:15.736 INSPECTED THE RANKING MEMBER
08:47:17.505 ALREADY HAVE THESE ALLEGATIONS
08:47:18.807 FOR -- THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN
08:47:20.241 SEPTEMBER 6TH OR SEPTEMBER 7TH
08:47:20.942 AND THE LETTER WAS WRITTEN JULY
08:47:22.544 30TH.
08:47:25.413 IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT
08:47:26.214 WAS MADE BY THE RANKING MEMBER
08:47:27.248 OR HER STAFF TO DR. FORD?
08:47:31.853 BY THE WAY, I THINK DR. FORD IS
08:47:34.122 A VICTIM AND I THINK SHE'S BEEN
08:47:35.657 THROUGH HECK.
08:47:35.990 I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO HER.
08:47:40.595 BUT, DID THE RANKING MEMBER'S
08:47:41.596 STAFF MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO
08:47:42.430 HIRE A LAWYER AND SHE KNEW ALL
08:47:44.599 OF THAT AND YET WE HAD A
08:47:46.735 HEARING HERE WITH YOU AND NONE
08:47:47.936 OF THESE THINGS WERE ASKED?
08:47:48.870 WHEN THE PROCESS WAS CLOSED,
08:47:49.571 AND WHEN WE WERE DONE MEETING
08:47:53.908 IN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, THIS WAS
08:47:56.411 SPRUNG ON YOU? I
08:47:58.079 WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE
08:48:01.616 DATES CORRECT.
08:48:01.983 WE'VE GOT 35 PLUS DAYS FROM ALL
08:48:03.851 THE TIME THAT THIS EVIDENCE WAS
08:48:05.320 IN THE HANDS, RECOMMENDATIONS
08:48:07.021 WERE MADE TO AN OUTSIDE LAWYER
08:48:07.955 AND YOU COULD HAVE HANDLED THIS
08:48:09.858 AND WE COULD'VE HAD THIS
08:48:10.692 CONVERSATION IN PRIVATE IN A
08:48:11.860 WAY THAT DIDN'T DO CRAP TO HIS
08:48:12.860 FAMILY BUT -- I YIELD MY TIME.
08:48:21.102 TRYING TO SEE IF HE COULD DO
08:48:23.004 MATH ABOUT 35 DAYS.
08:48:24.806 THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A
08:48:28.209 QUESTION.
08:48:28.475 >> THANKS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
08:48:30.278 AN AFTERNOON JUDGE KAVANAUGH.
08:48:30.912 AS A FEDERAL JUDGE, YOU ARE
08:48:31.846 AWARE OF THE JURY INSTRUCTION,
08:48:38.853 ARE YOU NOT?
08:48:46.961 YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT JURY
08:48:48.363 INSTRUCTION?
08:48:48.696 YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS?
08:48:49.264 >> YOU CAN TRANSLATE IT BETTER
08:48:50.231 THAN I CAN.
08:48:52.567 FALLS IN ONE THING, FALLS IN
08:48:55.036 EVERYTHING.
08:48:58.840 SOME OF US HAVE HEARD MANY
08:49:01.342 TIMES, IS TO TELL THE JURY THEY
08:49:04.546 CAN DISBELIEVE A WITNESS IF
08:49:06.047 THEY FIND HIM TO BE FALSE IN
08:49:07.782 ONE THING, AND THE CORE OF WHY
08:49:12.086 WE ARE HERE TODAY REALLY IS
08:49:13.588 CREDIBILITY.
08:49:18.927 >> THE CORE OF WHY WE ARE HERE
08:49:22.363 IS AN ALLEGATION FOR WHICH THE
08:49:24.265 FOUR WITNESSES PRESENT HAVE ALL
08:49:25.667 SAID IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
08:49:26.267 >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT RENATE
08:49:27.735 DOLPHIN WHO LIVES IN
08:49:28.503 CONNECTICUT.
08:49:32.640 SHE THOUGHT THESE YEARBOOK
08:49:33.374 STATEMENTS WERE, QUOTE,
08:49:34.242 HORRIBLE, HURTFUL AND SIMPLY
08:49:35.109 UNTRUE.
08:49:39.147 BECAUSE, RENATE ALUMNI CLEARLY
08:49:47.054 IMPLIED A BOAST OF SEXUAL
08:49:48.422 CONQUEST AND THAT IS THE REASON
08:49:49.824 YOU APOLOGIZED TO HER, CORRECT?
08:49:50.892 >> THAT'S FALSE. SPEAKING ABOUT
08:49:56.064 THE YEARBOOK, SHE SAID SHE AND
08:49:57.198 I NEVER HAD ANY SEXUAL
08:49:58.032 INTERACTIONS.
08:49:58.365 >> THE QUESTION IS FALSE AND I
08:50:03.471 ADDRESSED THAT IN THE OPENING
08:50:04.638 STATEMENT.
08:50:05.306 SO, YOUR QUESTION IS BASED ON A
08:50:06.941 FALSE PREMISE AND REALLY DOES
08:50:08.810 GREAT HARM TO HER.
08:50:10.044 I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU ARE
08:50:11.145 BRINGING THIS UP, FRANKLY.
08:50:13.414 YOU ARE DOING GREAT HARM TO HER
08:50:16.417 BY BRINGING HER NAME APPEAR.
08:50:17.084 IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE.
08:50:17.718 >> CALLING SOMEONE AN ALUMNUS
08:50:28.429 IN THAT WAY --
08:50:28.963 >> IMPLYING WHAT YOU ARE
08:50:29.964 APPLYING --
08:50:30.264 >> BY A NUMBER OF YOUR FOOTBALL
08:50:31.532 FRIENDS, AT THE TIME, IS
08:50:32.300 BOASTING OF SEXUAL CONQUEST.
08:50:33.167 THAT'S THE REASON I'M BRINGING
08:50:34.002 IT UP.
08:50:34.402 >> IT'S FALSE.
08:50:34.769 YOU ARE APPLYING IT.
08:50:35.303 LOOK WHAT YOU ARE BRINGING UP
08:50:36.971 ABOUT HER.
08:50:37.538 LOOK WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
08:50:39.340 YOU BRING HER NAME UP.
08:50:40.941 >> DON'T SUBTRACT FROM MY TIME.
08:50:43.544 >> ASK YOUR QUESTION --
08:50:44.979 >> SHE'S A GREAT PERSON.
08:50:46.680 SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT
08:50:48.383 PERSON.
08:50:48.616 WE NEVER HAD ANY SEXUAL
08:50:50.118 INTERACTION.
08:50:50.451 BY BRINGING THIS UP, YOU ARE
08:50:52.320 JUST DRAGGING HER THROUGH THE
08:50:52.987 MUD.
08:50:53.721 IT'S JUST UNNECESSARY.
08:50:58.760 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
08:50:59.526 YOU'VE MADE REFERENCE, JUDGE, TO
08:51:05.600 A SWORN STATEMENT, I BELIEVE,
08:51:06.768 BY MARK JUDGE TO THE COMMITTEE.
08:51:08.069 IS THAT CORRECT?
08:51:08.469 >> I MADE REFERENCE TO WHAT
08:51:11.806 MARK JUDGE'S LAWYER SENT TO THE
08:51:15.009 MITIGATE -- SENT TO THE
08:51:18.947 COMMITTEE?
08:51:19.247 >> IT'S NOT A SWORN STATEMENT,
08:51:20.348 IS IT?
08:51:20.581 >> UNDER PENALTY OF PENALTY --
08:51:25.820 PENALTY A FELONY?
08:51:26.220 >> IT'S SIGNED BY HIS LAWYER,
08:51:27.455 BARBARA VAN GELDER.
08:51:28.256 IT IS SIX CURSORY AND
08:51:34.262 CONCLUSION SENTENCES.
08:51:34.729 ARE YOU SAYING THAT IS A
08:51:35.530 SUBSTITUTE FOR AN INVESTIGATION
08:51:41.336 BY THE FBI?
08:51:42.770 OR SOME INTERVIEW BY THE FBI
08:51:44.305 UNDER OATH?
08:51:44.939 >> UNDER PENALTY OF FELONY, HE
08:51:45.940 SAID THAT THIS KIND OF EVENT
08:51:48.376 DIDN'T HAPPEN AND THAT I NEVER
08:51:50.211 DID OR WOULD HAVE DONE
08:51:51.012 SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
08:51:52.046 >> IS A FEDERAL JUDGE, YOU
08:51:54.349 ALWAYS WANT THE BEST EVIDENCE,
08:51:56.450 DON'T YOU?
08:51:57.452 >> SENATOR, HE HAS SAID IN ALL
08:51:58.987 THE WITNESSES PRESENT -- LOOK
08:51:59.988 AT THE STATEMENT FROM MS.
08:52:02.690 KEYSER.
08:52:02.923 >> LET ME MOVE ON TO ANOTHER
08:52:04.057 TOPIC.
08:52:04.291 YOU TESTIFY TO THIS COMMITTEE
08:52:06.427 THIS MORNING, THIS AFTERNOON --
08:52:15.169 THIS HOLE 2-WEEK EFFORT HAS
08:52:17.205 BEEN A CALCULATED AND
08:52:17.872 ORCHESTRATED POLITICAL HIT
08:52:18.539 FUELED WITH APPARENT PENT-UP
08:52:19.172 ANGER ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
08:52:20.508 THE 2016 ELECTION, FEAR THAT
08:52:24.879 HAS BEEN UNFAIRLY STOKED ABOUT
08:52:26.280 MY JUDICIAL RECORD. REVENGE ON
08:52:32.587 BEHALF OF THE CLINTONS AND
08:52:33.821 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN MONEY
08:52:34.655 FROM OUTSIDE LEFT-WING
08:52:35.456 OPPOSITION GROUPS.
08:52:35.889 IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY THAT THE
08:52:39.027 MOTIVATION OF THE COURAGEOUS
08:52:42.330 WOMAN WHO SAT WHERE YOU DID
08:52:44.732 JUST A SHORT TIME AGO WAS
08:52:47.135 REVENGE ON BEHALF OF A LEFT-
08:52:55.343 WING CONSPIRACY OR THE
08:52:56.744 CLINTONS?
08:52:57.245 >> SENATOR, I SAID IN MY
08:52:59.013 OPENING STATEMENT THAT SHE
08:53:01.883 PREFERRED CONFIDENTIALITY AND
08:53:02.583 HER CONFIDENTIALITY WAS
08:53:04.619 DESTROYED BY THE ACTIONS OF
08:53:08.990 THIS COMMITTEE.
08:53:09.357 >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS -- IN A
08:53:11.025 SPEECH THAT YOU GAVE AT YALE,
08:53:14.629 YOU DESCRIBED, QUOTE, FALLING
08:53:15.430 OUT OF THE BUS ONTO THE FRONT
08:53:18.966 STEPS OF THE YALE LAW SCHOOL AT
08:53:26.908 4:45 A.M.
08:53:27.241 >> I WASN'T DESCRIBING ME.
08:53:28.108 SENATOR, LET ME FINISH, PLEASE.
08:53:31.012 I ORGANIZED A THIRD-YEAR END OF
08:53:36.684 SCHOOL PARTY FOR 30 OF MY
08:53:38.619 CLASSMATES TO RENT A BUS TO GO
08:53:40.454 TO FENWAY PARK IN BOSTON, ABOUT
08:53:42.623 A THREE HOUR TRIP. I
08:53:44.225 BOUGHT ALL THE TICKETS.
08:53:45.727 YOU AND I DISCUSSED THAT
08:53:47.295 BEFORE.
08:53:47.628 I BOUGHT ALL THE TICKETS,
08:53:49.630 RENTED THE BUS AND ORGANIZED
08:53:50.865 THE WHOLE TRIP.
08:53:51.566 WE WENT TO FENWAY PARK.
08:53:52.833 ROGER CLEMENS WAS PITCHING FOR
08:53:54.802 THE RED SOX AND WE HAD A GREAT
08:53:56.771 TIME.
08:53:56.971 GEORGE BRETT WAS PLAYING THIRD
08:53:58.473 BASE FOR THE ROYALS, LEFT FIELD
08:54:00.508 THAT NIGHT.
08:54:00.808 WE WENT TO THE GAME AND GOT
08:54:02.944 BACK AND THEN WE WENT OUT.
08:54:04.645 IT WAS A GREAT NIGHT OF
08:54:07.115 FRIENDSHIP.
08:54:07.415 >> I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING
08:54:08.683 BUT I NEED TO FINISH THE QUOTE
08:54:10.384 BEFORE ASKING THE QUESTION.
08:54:11.886 THE QUOTE IS THAT YOU TRIED TO,
08:54:15.723 QUOTE, PIECE THINGS BACK
08:54:17.458 TOGETHER, TO RECALL WHAT
08:54:18.926 HAPPENED THAT NIGHT.
08:54:25.666 >> I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
08:54:27.034 >> WELL YOU --
08:54:30.170 >> JUDGE, WILL YOU QUICKLY
08:54:31.939 ANSWER A QUESTION AND THEN I'M
08:54:34.108 GOING TO LET HIM ANSWER.
08:54:35.009 >> I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
08:54:36.010 >> I'VE FINISHED AND SING --
08:54:42.216 ANSWERING MY QUESTION.
08:54:43.383 DIDN'T IT AND IMPLY YOU HAD TO
08:54:45.019 PIECE THINGS BACK TOGETHER FOR
08:54:47.021 WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT?
08:54:48.322 >> YOU TAKE YOUR TIME AND
08:54:49.590 ANSWER THE QUESTION.
08:54:50.558 >> DEFINITELY NOT.
08:54:51.025 I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
08:54:52.559 IT WAS A GREAT NIGHT OF FUN AND
08:54:55.996 I WAS SO HAPPY, GREAT
08:54:57.965 CAMARADERIE AND EVERYBODY LOOKS
08:54:59.066 BACK FONDLY ON THE TRIP TO
08:55:01.169 FENWAY PARK AND THEN WE WENT
08:55:02.303 OUT TOGETHER AND I KNOW EXACTLY
08:55:03.437 WHAT HAPPENED THE WHOLE NIGHT.
08:55:04.271 >> DO BELIEVE ANITA HILL?
08:55:06.107 >> SENATOR CRAPO?
08:55:14.849 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
08:55:15.983 JUDGE KAVANAUGH, FIRST, I WANT
08:55:17.885 I WANT TO GET INTO THIS WHOLE
08:55:20.554 QUESTION THAT'S BEEN BANDIED
08:55:21.389 BACK AND FORTH ALMOST ENDLESSLY
08:55:22.323 TOAY ABOUT THE FBI
08:55:25.826 INVESTIGATION PROCESS.
08:55:26.326 I THINK I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON
08:55:27.528 WHAT SENATOR LEE AND SENATOR
08:55:28.695 SASSE HAVE REFERENCE.
08:55:36.070 THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK
08:55:37.138 ABOUT THE FBI INVESTIGATION.
08:55:38.238 IN THESE PROCESSES, WHICH YOU
08:55:40.341 HAVE BEEN THROUGH WHEN THE HAVE
08:55:41.742 BANNED IS A BACKGROUND CHECK
08:55:43.511 WITH REGARD TO A NOMINATION,
08:55:45.980 COULD YOU QUICKLY DESCRIBE THAT
08:55:47.615 FOR US?
08:55:47.949 WHAT DOES THE FBI DO?
08:55:48.850 >> THE FBI GATHERS STATEMENTS
08:55:54.989 FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE
08:55:56.457 INFORMATION.
08:55:57.158 THEY DON'T RESOLVE CREDIBILITY.
08:55:59.494 THEY GATHER THE INFORMATION AND
08:56:01.095 THE CREDIBILITY DETERMINATION IS
08:56:02.863 MADE BY THE ALTERNATE
08:56:03.898 FACTFINDER.
08:56:04.198 IN THIS CASE, THE U.S. SENATE.
08:56:05.566 THE COMMITTEE, OF COURSE, IS
08:56:06.834 GATHERING EVIDENCE.
08:56:07.267 >> THE FBI THEN GIVES THAT
08:56:13.174 REPORT TO THE WHITE HOUSE, IF I
08:56:15.309 UNDERSTAND IT AND THE WHITE
08:56:17.545 HOUSE THEN TRANSFERS IT TO THE
08:56:19.680 SENATE.
08:56:20.047 >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
08:56:21.148 >> AS YOU INDICATED, IT DOES
08:56:23.718 NOT -- IT'S BEEN SAID MANY
08:56:25.419 TIMES -- THE FBI DOES NOT MAKE
08:56:28.422 JUDGMENTS, IT GIVES THE SENATE
08:56:29.957 COMMITTEE INFORMATION?
08:56:30.924 >> AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IF I
08:56:33.127 UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS
08:56:33.627 CORRECTLY, THE U.S. SENATE
08:56:38.366 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HAS LEGAL
08:56:40.167 AUTHORITIES.
08:56:40.668 IF IT RECEIVES INFORMATION IN
08:56:42.570 THE FBI REPORT THAT IT WANTS TO
08:56:45.106 FURTHER INVESTIGATE, THE SENATE
08:56:47.008 HAS LEGAL AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT
08:56:48.676 FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS.
08:56:49.176 IS THAT CORRECT?
08:56:49.977 >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
08:56:51.412 >> THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN
08:56:54.181 REFERENCED HERE MANY TIMES ABOUT
08:56:56.317 HOW SOME OF THESE WITNESSES
08:56:58.552 THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE
08:57:00.821 VERY LATE INFORMATION THAT WE
08:57:02.490 RECEIVED, HAVE MADE STATEMENTS
08:57:04.125 THAT ARE UNDER PENALTY OF
08:57:05.192 FELONY.
08:57:05.425 THAT'S A FELONY FOR LYING TO
08:57:06.427 THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
08:57:11.032 AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHAT
08:57:13.134 HAPPENS IS THE SENATE JUDICIARY
08:57:15.036 COMMITTEE, WHICH HAS AUTHORITY
08:57:16.537 UNDER LAW TO CONDUCT THOSE
08:57:17.772 KINDS OF INVESTIGATIONS, FOLLOWS
08:57:19.173 UP ON THE FBI REPORTS TO FINISH
08:57:21.909 OUT THE INVESTIGATION THAT IT
08:57:23.811 WANTS WITH REGARD TO ANY
08:57:25.079 INFORMATION THAT IT RECEIVES
08:57:26.447 THAT NEEDS FURTHER
08:57:27.414 INVESTIGATION.
08:57:27.781 IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF
08:57:29.950 THE PROCESS?
08:57:30.518 >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING,
08:57:31.586 SENATOR.
08:57:31.852 >> IN THIS CASE, AND THERE'S
08:57:33.421 BEEN A LOT OF TALK -- IT LOOKS
08:57:35.056 LIKE I WILL RUN OUT OF TIME --
08:57:36.657 BUT IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A LOT
08:57:38.726 OF CONCERN BY MANY THAT THERE
08:57:40.695 WAS NOT SO MUCH IN INTEREST IN
08:57:42.196 THE FBI INVESTIGATION AS IT WAS
08:57:43.564 IN DELAY.
08:57:44.165 I'M NOT GOING TO GET TO THAT
08:57:47.134 UNLESS I HAVE TIME.
08:57:48.001 I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
08:57:49.103 HAPPENED IN THE SENATE
08:57:50.905 COMMITTEES WITH THE
08:57:52.673 INVESTIGATION.
08:57:53.374 AS I UNDERSTAND AND IT MAY BE
08:57:55.876 MORE OF A QUESTION TO THE
08:57:57.511 CHAIRMAN, AS SOON AS WE
08:57:59.246 RECEIVED INFORMATION AT 45 DAYS
08:58:00.014 AFTER OTHERS ON THE COMMITTEE
08:58:01.515 RECEIVED IT, WE CONDUCTED AN
08:58:04.819 INVESTIGATION.
08:58:05.186 IS THAT CORRECT, MR. CHAIRMAN?
08:58:05.952 WE BEGAN THAT LEGAL SENATE
08:58:13.527 JUDICIARY COMMITTED
08:58:14.095 INVESTIGATION.
08:58:14.462 >> THAT INVESTIGATION INVOLVED
08:58:15.096 OUR FULLY, LAWFULLY ENABLED
08:58:22.269 INVESTIGATORS TO CONDUCT AN
08:58:25.206 INVESTIGATION.
08:58:25.673 IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY,
08:58:27.708 THE DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS OF THE
08:58:29.910 COMMITTEE REFUSED TO
08:58:30.878 PARTICIPATE IN THAT
08:58:31.745 INVESTIGATION.
08:58:32.112 >> YES.
08:58:32.980 >> SO, WE HAVE CONDUCTED THE
08:58:35.816 INVESTIGATION.
08:58:36.183 THE VERY KINDS OF THINGS THAT
08:58:37.318 MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE
08:58:39.019 ARE ASKING THAT WE TELL THE FBI
08:58:41.221 TO DO, THIS COMMITTEE HAS THE
08:58:43.324 AUTHORITY TO DO IT AND THIS
08:58:45.559 COMMITTEE DOES IT AND THIS
08:58:47.094 COMMITTEE HAS DONE IT.
08:58:49.630 THERE MAY BE MORE INTERVIEWS
08:58:51.565 AND MORE INVESTIGATIONS, BUT
08:58:53.100 WHEN YOU, JUDGE KAVANAUGH, HAVE
08:58:54.034 REFERENCED THE TESTIMONY THAT
08:58:54.668 HAS COME FROM THOSE WHO ARE
08:58:56.070 IDENTIFIED AS BEING AT THIS
08:59:03.010 EVENT, THE TESTIMONY THAT HAS
08:59:05.846 BEEN RECEIVED FROM THEM IS
08:59:06.614 INFORMATION RECEIVED PURSUANT
08:59:07.548 TO A SENATE COMMITTEE
08:59:09.083 INVESTIGATION AND I JUST THINK
08:59:10.217 IT SHOULD BE MADE CLEAR.
08:59:11.918 THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF BACK-
08:59:13.354 AND-FORTH THAT WE ARE GETTING
08:59:14.588 INFORMATION OR LOOKING AT THIS
08:59:16.590 AND YOU DON'T WANT TO LOOK INTO
08:59:18.826 THE INVESTIGATION OR SEE WHAT
08:59:20.194 HAPPENED.
08:59:20.461 THE REALITY IS THAT THIS
08:59:21.729 COMMITTEE IMMEDIATELY AND
08:59:22.730 THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED EVERY
08:59:24.464 WITNESS THAT HAS BEEN
08:59:25.433 IDENTIFIED TO US AND WE HAVE
08:59:26.667 STATEMENTS UNDER PENALTY OF
08:59:27.267 FELONY FROM THEM.
08:59:29.804 SO, I JUST WANT TO CONCLUDE
08:59:31.705 WITH THAT. I
08:59:33.274 HAVE 45 SECONDS LEFT AND I WANT
08:59:35.409 TO ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION.
08:59:36.944 AGAIN, ON TIMING.
08:59:39.012 YOU HAD A MEETING WITH SENATOR
08:59:40.414 FEINSTEIN ON AUGUST 20.
08:59:40.914 >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND
08:59:41.816 THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE
08:59:43.017 DATE.
08:59:43.250 WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED
08:59:51.191 HELPED DR. FORD TO RETAIN THE
08:59:54.161 LAW FIRM SOMETIME BETWEEN AUGUST
08:59:56.330 30th AND AUGUST 7. I JUST
09:00:00.434 WANTED YOU TO CLARIFY ONE MORE
09:00:01.769 TIME.
09:00:02.069 YOU HAD TWO WEEKS OR MORE AND
09:00:07.508 THE ISSUE WAS NOT RAISED WITH
09:00:09.109 YOU.
09:00:10.377 >> IN.
09:00:10.978 MY TIME IS UP.
09:00:11.979 >> WE WILL TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE
09:00:13.781 BREAK NOW.
09:00:26.794 >>-A BREAK IN THE CABINET
09:00:30.030 HEARINGS RIGHT NOW.
09:00:31.732 WE STILL HAVE A WAYS TO GO.
09:00:34.969 WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO THE
09:00:37.371 END OF THE EXTRAORDINARY DAY IN
09:00:39.373 WASHINGTON AS THE QUESTIONS
09:00:41.442 CONTINUE FROM BOTH REPUBLICAN
09:00:43.911 AND DEMOCRATIC SENATORS.
09:00:46.414 REINTRODUCING THE FOLKS WE HAVE
09:00:47.314 WITH US RIGHT NOW.
09:00:51.819 WE'RE HERE WITH JOHN DICKERSON.
09:00:52.920 IT TO THE LEFT IS RICKY KLEEMAN.
09:00:58.692 AND ALSO ILLEGAL ANALYST IS
09:01:05.633 COVERED THE SUPREME COURT FOR A
09:01:07.034 LONG TIME.
09:01:07.735 >> I THOUGHT THERE WAS AN
09:01:11.705 INTERESTING A CHANGE WAS
09:01:13.040 SENATOR BLUMENTHAL, WHICH, TO
09:01:16.777 JOHN'S POINT, THE DEMOCRATS ARE
09:01:18.012 ASKING ABOUT TO THE YEARBOOK AND
09:01:19.813 WHAT YOU WROTE IN THE YEARBOOK
09:01:21.715 AND YOUR DRINKING.
09:01:22.650 WITHOUT SAYING WHY.
09:01:23.851 WITHOUT SAYING THE CONTEXT FOR
09:01:28.989 THAT.
09:01:29.189 IF HE'S NOT BEING TRUTHFUL
09:01:30.124 ABOUT THAT, WE WANT TO KNOW
09:01:31.325 WHAT KIND OF PERSON HE WAS.
09:01:34.495 SEE THE KIND OF PERSON WHO
09:01:35.596 WOULD DO THIS?
09:01:36.330 I THINK IT IS ODD THAT THE
09:01:37.631 PERSON WHO MADE THE POINTS, OF
09:01:38.966 COURSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING, TO
09:01:39.967 HEAR SENATOR BLUMENTHAL SAY, IF
09:01:40.801 YOU WERE TO LIVE AT ONE THING,
09:01:42.303 IT SUGGESTS YOU WOULD LIE ABOUT
09:01:43.604 A LOT OF THINGS.
09:01:44.204 YOU CAN ADMIRE KAVANAUGH'S
09:01:45.639 RESTRAINT ASKING, HOW IS YOUR
09:01:47.408 SERVICE IN VIETNAM?
09:01:51.011 BECAUSE SENATOR BLUMENTHAL HAS
09:01:55.382 NOT BEEN PARTICULARLY TRUTHFUL
09:01:56.684 ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS IN HIS
09:01:57.818 CAREER.
09:01:58.051 IT WAS AN ODD MOMENT.
09:02:01.188 THEY WERE DOING WHAT YOU SAID
09:02:02.523 THEY NEEDED TO DO, PROBABLY NOT
09:02:04.191 THE RIGHT SENATOR TO BE SAYING
09:02:11.031 THAT IF YOU LIE ABOUT ONE
09:02:12.066 THING, THEN YOU WILL LIE ABOUT
09:02:13.300 EVERYTHING ELSE, SINCE YOU
09:02:14.301 MISLED ON HIS SERVICE IN
09:02:15.302 VIETNAM.
09:02:15.569 >> IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE HAD
09:02:16.904 HEARD ANITA HILL BROUGHT UP.
09:02:17.938 SENATOR BLUMENTHAL MENTIONED
09:02:18.639 IT.
09:02:18.939 >> DO YOU BELIEVE HIM?
09:02:21.575 HE NEVER GOT A RESPONSE.
09:02:22.610 I WAS STRUCK BY TWO THINGS, ONE
09:02:23.911 WAS WHICH, BRETT KAVANAUGH
09:02:24.645 COMING BACK IN AND AMENDING HIS
09:02:27.982 PREVIOUS REMARKS, WHICH WAS
09:02:28.682 SAYING TO SENATOR KLOBUCHAR, HE
09:02:32.152 REPEATEDLY FIRED BACK AND SAID
09:02:33.153 HAVE YOU EVER BLACKED OUT?
09:02:39.026 SHE IS THE DAUGHTER OF AN
09:02:40.294 ALCOHOLIC.
09:02:40.594 AS SHE DESCRIBED.
09:02:41.095 SO HE APOLOGIZE FOR DOING THAT.
09:02:42.229 THE OTHER THING IS ON THE FBI.
09:02:44.965 WHEN HE GETS INTO A PROCESS
09:02:46.700 FIGHT, YOU TEND TO LOSE PEOPLE.
09:02:49.003 SELF REPUBLICANS IN THIS
09:02:50.604 AFTERNOON CAN TALK ABOUT AN
09:02:53.874 AGGRIEVED BRETT KAVANAUGH WHO
09:02:54.508 HAS HAD HIS FAMILY BROUGHT
09:02:56.877 THROUGH THIS AWFUL PROCESS,
09:03:02.316 THAT IS THE MORAL AND EMOTIONAL
09:03:03.617 ARGUMENT TO RALLY SUPPORTERS.
09:03:04.985 THE FBI ARGUMENT IS IN THE
09:03:10.991 WEEDS A LITTLE BIT.
09:03:11.792 AS YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THIS
09:03:13.327 WILL PLAY OUT IN PUBLIC, WHICH
09:03:14.428 IS WHERE THIS IS BEING PLAYED,
09:03:15.663 I THINK THAT THE REPUBLICANS
09:03:16.696 ARE HAPPY TO DEBATE THE FBI ALL
09:03:18.298 DAY LONG.
09:03:18.598 BECAUSE, AT THE END OF THE DAY,
09:03:20.300 PEOPLE CAN'T QUITE FOLLOW IT.
09:03:22.236 THIS IS NOT A COURT OF LAW.
09:03:27.207 AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS
09:03:29.009 A POLITICAL CONVERSATION WHERE
09:03:29.743 PEOPLE HAVE TO DEFEND
09:03:30.444 THEMSELVES IN THE POLITICAL
09:03:32.079 CONTEXT.
09:03:32.346 SO I THINK THAT IS HOW THE FBI
09:03:33.714 THING MIGHT WORK OUT.
09:03:34.648 >> REIT -- RICKY, LEGALLY
09:03:37.651 SPEAKING, WHAT HAS SURPRISED
09:03:38.919 MOST ABOUT TODAY, OR FROM WHAT
09:03:42.056 WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY?
09:03:42.523 >> I THINK WHAT SURPRISED ME
09:03:43.891 WAS, I EXPECTED THE DEMOCRATS
09:03:45.960 TO HAVE HAD NUMEROUS
09:03:48.762 CONVERSATIONS AMONGST THEMSELVES
09:03:51.799 , THE SENATORS, AND TO HAVE HAD
09:03:53.133 AN AGREED-UPON PLAN THAT, WHERE
09:03:55.402 ONE SENATOR COULD BUILD UPON
09:03:57.338 ANOTHER AND BUILD UPON ANOTHER.
09:03:59.907 I KNOW IT IS NOT A COURT OF LAW,
09:04:03.243 BUT THE THEMES STILL RING TRUE.
09:04:04.878 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS
09:04:09.350 WOULD SAY WHEN TRYING TO CASE,
09:04:10.751 DID NOT MATTER WHICH SIDE, IS
09:04:11.885 WHAT IS YOUR STORY?
09:04:12.886 YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STORY THAT
09:04:16.590 HAS A BEGINNING, MIDDLE, AND AN
09:04:18.025 END.
09:04:18.759 WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS THAT THE
09:04:20.661 REPUBLICANS HAVE A STORY.
09:04:22.129 IT IS ABOUT THE DEMISE OF THE
09:04:25.131 CHARACTER, OR THE ATTEMPTED
09:04:27.968 DEMISE OF THE CHARACTER, OF
09:04:29.203 BRETT KAVANAUGH AND HIS FAMILY.
09:04:30.571 AT THE SAME TIME, THAT THEY
09:04:35.008 SHOW EMPATHY IS A STORY, WITH
09:04:37.077 THE BELIEF THAT SOMETHING
09:04:38.078 TERRIBLE HAPPENED TO DR. FORD,
09:04:40.414 BUT IT JUST WASN'T BRETT
09:04:42.750 KAVANAUGH.
09:04:43.150 THE DEMOCRATS, TO FOLLOW UP ON
09:04:44.784 JOHN, THE DEMOCRATS DO NOT HAVE
09:04:46.520 A STORY HERE.
09:04:47.121 I THOUGHT THEY WOULD.
09:04:49.390 WHAT THEY HAVE IS BEATING THIS
09:04:51.024 DRUM OF THE FBI INVESTIGATION.
09:04:53.360 OCCASIONALLY GOING BACK TO THE
09:04:55.595 YEARBOOK OR TO STATEMENTS FROM
09:04:58.432 COLLEGE TO TRY TO SHOW THAT
09:05:00.500 PERHAPS, BRICK AVENUE -- BRETT
09:05:04.938 KAVANAUGH IS LYING.
09:05:08.642 THEY HAVE A STORY, THEY'RE JUST
09:05:09.376 NOT TELLING IT.
09:05:09.977 THE MANNER OF PERSUASION,
09:05:13.413 WHETHER IT IS TO THE JURY OR
09:05:14.848 THE PUBLIC, IS THAT THE PUBLIC
09:05:16.549 MUST RUN WITH YOUR STORY.
09:05:18.519 IT DOES NOT WANT TO BE IN THE
09:05:20.921 WEEDS.
09:05:21.388 WHAT BOTH SIDES HAVE TO BE
09:05:22.623 CAUTIOUS ABOUT IS GOING BACK TO
09:05:24.124 HIS CHILDHOOD OR TO HIS TEEN
09:05:25.793 YEARS IN COLLEGE.
09:05:26.460 YOU SELL REPUBLICANS, LIKE
09:05:29.263 SENATOR HATCH, SAY THAT I
09:05:32.966 CANNOT BELIEVE WE ARE
09:05:33.567 RELITIGATING THINGS THAT
09:05:34.268 HAPPENED WHEN YOU ARE 16.
09:05:38.605 NOT TO SAY THAT THIS WAS NOT A
09:05:40.240 SERIOUS ALLEGATION AND IF TRUE,
09:05:41.241 OF COURSE, HE SHOULD NOT BE
09:05:42.376 CONFIRMED, SO, THEY ARE
09:05:43.844 JUGGLING THE ACCUSATION AND THE
09:05:45.512 AGE OF THE ACCUSED.
09:05:48.782 ON THE FLIPSIDE, YOU CAN SEE
09:05:49.983 WHERE DEMOCRATS BRING UP
09:05:50.617 CERTAIN INCIDENTS OR YEARBOOK
09:05:52.553 CAPTIONS AND BRING UP PEOPLE
09:05:59.026 THAT ARE DISPARAGED, MAYBE, IN
09:05:59.960 THE YEARBOOK AND YOU SEE JUDGE
09:06:01.628 KAVANAUGH FLIP THINGS AROUND
09:06:05.899 AND SAY, I DON'T WANT TO DRAG
09:06:06.934 THIS PERSON'S NAME BACK IN THE
09:06:08.101 MUD, WHY ARE YOU BRINGING HER
09:06:09.403 UP RIGHT NOW?
09:06:09.903 YOU DIDN'T SEE SENATOR
09:06:10.703 BLUMENTHAL COME BACK WITH