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- My name is Leslie.

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I am a mother.

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I have a son, Jakari.

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We were members
of a religious cult.

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PERSON:
Yeah. Yeah!

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[crowd yelling]

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- I had to live a double life

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to escape and save my son.

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If I failed,
he would have been killed,

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and so would I.

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- This is my story.

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[dramatic music]

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♪♪ ♪♪

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[siren wailing]
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♪♪ ♪♪

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I heard the siren,
and I heard Jim's voice

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saying, run to the pavilion.

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♪♪ ♪♪

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And he's asking people,
you know,

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are you willing to die
for the revolution?

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I was so scared
that he would ask me

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to go and drink this potion.

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LESLIE: Larry comes to me,
he goes, Leslie,

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are you ready
to die for the revolution?

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♪♪ ♪♪

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My heart was racing out of my--

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I mean, my chest.

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But I knew I had to say yes.

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That was a test of my loyalty.

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We are looking at death
in the face,

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and I go, yes, Father.

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♪♪ ♪♪

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These are photos of my family.

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This is my mother, Inez Wagner.

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And this is her on the ranch
in Anderson, California,

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that my grandparents owned.

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Just an amazing young woman.

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This is my brother, Mark,

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who was a beautiful,
beautiful child.

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I had a lovely childhood.

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This picture is of me
on the table, kitchen table,
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with my grandmother
handing me something.

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And this is me
and my sister, Michelle.

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Michelle was four years
older than I.

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We all did well until Michelle
was introduced to drugs.

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So we're talking the love
and peace movement,

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and she got really involved.

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She stole my mother's car.

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Um, she had an accident.

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Um, she ended up
in juvenile hall.

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And my mother
was at wits' end,

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so a friend of hers told her,

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oh, there's a church, and they
have this great reputation
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for helping those youth
that are on drugs

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to--to get off, right?

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CHOIR:
♪♪ Take me to a place ♪♪

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LESLIE: And that's
when we were introduced

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to Peoples Temple.

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CHOIR:
♪♪ A place on a higher ♪♪

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♪♪ Take me to a place ♪♪

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- So we walk in,
and we're welcomed.

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And there's this man
at the front of the church.

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The man, Jim Jones,
is at the pulpit,

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and he has on a robe,

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and he has dark glasses on.

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And he talked about God,
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and then he talked
about, um, socialism.

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MARSHALL: Jones had
a bit of a mission here

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to upgrade the services

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and the condition
of the public housing.

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So this guy was a--
a very pronounced presence

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with a very strong image.

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I was covering a--a--a rung
of city agencies,

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one of them
the public housing agency.

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He would show up with a flock
of aides around him,

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and then he had other people
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who would just kind of, uh,
shoulder along with him.

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I guess you'd call them
almost bodyguards.

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HERBERT: I was part
of the security team,

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and so when we'd go
into the meetings,

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we'd have three-piece suits
on, you know,

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um, sunglasses

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and looking like,
you know, agents.

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[laughs] You know, which,
we were his protectors.

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- He was continually
called Father,

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never Jim or Jones or Reverend.

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He was--he was
capital F Father.

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[crowd yelling]

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- This was a man that talked
about injustices,

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people of color.

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He spoke with such conviction,

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it gave me a purpose
at that younger age.

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- You felt like you was a part
of something that was great,

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something that was good,
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something that was
helping the community.

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YULANDA:
For me, that was exciting.

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And it wasn't a church
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which would have been
a primarily Black congregation.
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This was a interracial
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LESLIE:
I remember Joe Wilson

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coming into
the Peoples Temple,

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and he starts working
in the drug rehab program.

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And we became, um, lovers.

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This is the happy couple,

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Joe and Jakari and myself
when Jakari was just born.

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He was voted the most beautiful
baby in the hospital.

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- Leslie had her son, Jakari,
before my daughter,

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and Jakari and my daughter
were friends.
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LESLIE: Sometimes Jim would
say, where is Jakari Wilson?

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Joe would bring him
to the pulpit

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and Jim would hold him up
like, this is Jakari.

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He's gonna be, you know,
this great warrior,

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this great socialist.

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- He would talk about
Dr. Martin Luther King.

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He would talk about the plight
of the Black Panthers.

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So you felt like
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part of history in the making.

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MARSHALL: The point
was that people knew

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about Peoples Temple
but only from the outside

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and from its
publicly cultivated image.

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I began to--to wonder
what the church was like.

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And finally,
I ran into some ex-members.

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They were very spooked
and hesitant to talk,

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and they said, you don't know
the half of it.

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Uh, I was stunned.

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Well, this is the article
I wrote in 1977.

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"Jim Jones
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"most politically
potent leaders,

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"but who is he,
and what's going on

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behind his church's
locked doors?"

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LESLIE: He had built
this reputation of being

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this champion of people
that are disenfranchised

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and have been abused,

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not knowing that we were
suffering abuse

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right there
behind those closed doors.

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- They would slowly break down
the individual you

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and mold you into something

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until the pieces of yourself
are disappearing.

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That's what Jim did.

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That's what they did.

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Wednesday nights
was called catharsis.

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- Jim Jones would say,
whatever the person's name is,

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get up here front and center.

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You were, um, called out
on any grievances,

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whether it be falling asleep
in church,

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complaining,
definitely talking

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about Jim Jones
and the hierarchy.

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And all of the other members
would be sitting

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in the congregation,
and they would be

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yelling and screaming at him,

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you should be ashamed
of yourself!

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Punish him!

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- My mother could have
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and I would have had
to take it--
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or--or a sister
or sibling, husband.

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And it was OK to draw blood.

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[laughter]

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- Or you might have
to box someone.

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You would go
a certain number of rounds

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until the accused person
falls down.

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- You don't want
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that's up on the floor
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- Back then, I didn't question.

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I just did what I was told.

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[typewriter clacking]

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MARSHALL:
They would take away kids.

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They would make people,
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and remarry other people.

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Or Jones would--
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with the--the top circle
of women.

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Jones just took an--
an absolute, uh, hand

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in everyone's life,

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to the point where folks
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for the smallest thing.

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[typewriter clacking]

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- For Jim, you know,
this exposé was so damaging

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to his ego
because he was

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the crème de la crème
of San Francisco.

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- He had Marshall Kilduff doing
those bad stories about him,

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and then he started
to tell the congregation,

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we have to find a place,
a promised land.

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[crowd yelling]

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- Jim was going to escape

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the scandal, basically.

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- And he said, oh,
you'll never go hungry.

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We're gonna have
everything that's needed.

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And guess what the name
of this complex going to be.

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Jonestown.

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MARSHALL: The place they chose
in Guyana,

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it wasn't just merely
in Guyana.

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It was in the--
way in the backcountry.

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It was unreachable by any road.

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You had to take a boat
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They had a tiny airstrip.

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Made it almost unbelievable
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would go through this.

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Basically, within a matter
of months, everyone had left.

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They just vanished.

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They left San Francisco,

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and here they were
on their own terms

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in--in a place
where no one could touch them.

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LESLIE: At that time,
I was distancing myself

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from Peoples Temple.

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I was young.

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I was impressionable.

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At 18, I was feeling
very overwhelmed.

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[dance music]

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I'm drinking,
I'm dancing, and I'm--

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I love this.

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♪♪ ♪♪

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I had flipped totally,

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and that's
when it all went to hell.

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[dramatic music]

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My husband, Joe,
finally said, I've had enough.
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Joe approached me and said,

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Jim wants to take Jakari
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when he goes to Guyana.

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♪♪ ♪♪

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Was that OK?

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I thought, well, Jakari will
be better off without me.

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So I--I said OK.
I agreed to it.

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A lot of people
couldn't understand.

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How do you allow
your child to go?

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The goal for me was,
Jakari would be able

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to live without worrying

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about being
killed in the streets.
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I didn't let him go
not to see him again.

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I let him go because I felt

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it was the best thing for him
at that point.

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♪♪ ♪♪

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[phone ringing]

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One day, I received this
phone call, and they said,

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are you ready
to go to, uh, Jonestown?

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If you don't go now, you will
never see your child again.

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And I think
what I realized was,

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the life that I thought I had
was nothing.

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It was nothing.
It was nothing without my son.
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So whatever it takes, I'll go.

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YULANDA:
She was out of the church,

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and they were luring her
to come back

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because of Jakari.

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If there had been no Jakari,

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there would have been no reason
for Leslie to go there.

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- And I said, OK.
I'll go to Guyana.

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♪♪ ♪♪

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JIM: That's their
lovely little house,

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and it's so darling inside.

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Maybe we can take a walk
out there and see it.

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We built that just for them.
They wanted a house.

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So comfortable.
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Now remember,
this is the rainy season,

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so everything will look
wetter and less beautiful

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than it does during
the dry season.

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- I asked a friend,
what was Jonestown like?

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And she said, you have
to see it to believe it.

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[dramatic music]

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♪♪ ♪♪

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So when we landed
at Georgetown airport,

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which is the capital,

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it was very third world.

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I wasn't expecting that.

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♪♪ ♪♪

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We're taken to the docks,
and there's a boat.
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It's a raggedy old boat.

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♪♪ ♪♪

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And I was a little frightened
because, you know,

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it's creaky,

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and it takes 24 hours
to get to Jonestown by water.

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♪♪ ♪♪

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HERBERT:
I was excited, you know,

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to, um, take the trip.

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Most of, uh, my family,

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they had been over there
for a while

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before I came over there.

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LESLIE:
I can't wait to see my son.

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I can't wait
to see my friends.
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I was excited.

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♪♪ ♪♪

301
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So we get there...

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00:15:50,071 --> 00:15:52,574
[indistinct chatter]

303
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And I'm searching for Jakari.

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♪♪ ♪♪

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And I'm scanning the crowd,

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and then I see Jakari.

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And he puts his little arms
around me and hugs me.

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And I'm just in tears.

309
00:16:09,958 --> 00:16:12,693
And then Joe showed up.

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I have my child.
And that was my main focus.

311
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That was--that was my focus
was Jakari.

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We had the family together,
313
00:16:23,571 --> 00:16:27,475
and then my mother,
my brother,

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and my sister arrived.

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YULANDA:
We would build our own homes.

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We would build our own society.

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We would become a utopia.

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HERBERT: Everybody
was like worker bees.

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Everybody had they job
to do, you know?

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LESLIE:
The first day was hard work.

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I met the head of the crew,
and I was given a machete.

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And I had never
held a machete.

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00:17:03,144 --> 00:17:04,412
We go out to the fields.

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It's a banana field.

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You have to get the root out,
326
00:17:07,982 --> 00:17:10,518
and then we replant them.

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I felt that Jonestown
had redeemed me,

328
00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,890
that I had gone back
to my original Leslie,

329
00:17:15,957 --> 00:17:18,125
my original self.

330
00:17:18,192 --> 00:17:20,095
I was exhausted
when I got back to camp,

331
00:17:20,161 --> 00:17:23,564
but it was this wonderful
experience at first.

332
00:17:23,631 --> 00:17:27,435
[indistinct chatter]

333
00:17:27,502 --> 00:17:30,371
Joe and I ended up
getting a cabin of boys,

334
00:17:30,438 --> 00:17:33,207
and so we were the caregivers
for these boys.

335
00:17:33,274 --> 00:17:34,676
There was probably six of them.

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00:17:34,743 --> 00:17:35,943
And we had Jakari.

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PERSON: Where's the toys at,
you guys?

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00:17:37,445 --> 00:17:39,914
PERSON: Hey, put the light on
for the baby.
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00:17:39,981 --> 00:17:42,417
LESLIE: Children were
separated from their families,

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and it was normal for a parent
not to raise their child.

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PERSON: Hey.
PERSON: Hey. Hey!

342
00:17:48,190 --> 00:17:51,859
- His strategy was
to destroy family

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00:17:51,926 --> 00:17:54,395
and the sense of family values

344
00:17:54,462 --> 00:17:58,566
so that our loyalty
became totally to him.

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00:17:58,633 --> 00:18:01,336
♪♪ ♪♪

346
00:18:01,403 --> 00:18:04,172
MARSHALL: Jones himself
wasn't quite as present

347
00:18:04,238 --> 00:18:07,375
in the same familiar way
he was before,

348
00:18:07,442 --> 00:18:09,510
and I think that--
that was a troubling sign

349
00:18:09,577 --> 00:18:13,814
that the church
was changing its character.

350
00:18:23,791 --> 00:18:25,226
- Jim was different.

351
00:18:25,293 --> 00:18:28,863
He started changing
into a very, I felt,

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00:18:28,930 --> 00:18:30,698
sadistic person.

353
00:18:33,835 --> 00:18:35,903
- This was a person
that was very angry,

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00:18:35,970 --> 00:18:37,605
and none of us knew why.

355
00:18:47,081 --> 00:18:50,018
[siren wailing]

356
00:18:50,085 --> 00:18:51,686
♪♪ ♪♪

357
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LESLIE: Security would
surround us in meetings.

358
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You know, like,
no one's getting out.

359
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No one's leaving.

360
00:18:57,859 --> 00:19:00,495
Um, so paranoia really set in

361
00:19:00,561 --> 00:19:03,564
to the camp early, early on.

362
00:19:08,503 --> 00:19:11,372
LESLIE:
I remember, uh, crossbows,

363
00:19:11,439 --> 00:19:14,042
and I remember guns, rifles,

364
00:19:14,109 --> 00:19:16,111
and, of course, the machetes.
365
00:19:16,177 --> 00:19:19,347
YULANDA:
Leslie's husband, Joe Wilson,

366
00:19:19,414 --> 00:19:22,584
was one of the top
security people

367
00:19:22,650 --> 00:19:26,587
for Jim Jones
there in Jonestown.

368
00:19:26,654 --> 00:19:29,190
HERBERT: He was a part of the
security team guarding Jones

369
00:19:29,257 --> 00:19:31,993
and, uh, patrolling the camp
or whatever

370
00:19:32,059 --> 00:19:35,697
for the protection
of the, uh, place.

371
00:19:35,764 --> 00:19:38,566
LESLIE: Once I looked around,
I thought, wait a minute.

372
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Do I want Jakari
to grow up like this?

373
00:19:41,002 --> 00:19:43,972
No, there's no future
in Jonestown

374
00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:46,240
for our babies, our children.

375
00:19:46,307 --> 00:19:49,243
[indistinct chatter]

376
00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:51,245
♪♪ ♪♪

377
00:19:51,312 --> 00:19:53,447
I couldn't share that
with anybody,

378
00:19:53,514 --> 00:19:56,350
and I couldn't
share it with Joe.

379
00:19:56,417 --> 00:19:59,120
The stress of that every day,
of trying to pretend

380
00:19:59,187 --> 00:20:03,024
that I'm happy
when I was just not happy,

381
00:20:03,091 --> 00:20:05,627
it was like a punch
in the stomach.

382
00:20:05,693 --> 00:20:08,329
When I realized Jakari
had no future,

383
00:20:08,396 --> 00:20:11,499
I thought we'd be better off
if we were in the States.

384
00:20:11,566 --> 00:20:13,468
♪♪ ♪♪

385
00:20:13,534 --> 00:20:16,037
At that point,
I had no idea

386
00:20:16,104 --> 00:20:18,106
how that was going
to come about,

387
00:20:18,173 --> 00:20:20,408
but I believed that it would.

388
00:20:23,578 --> 00:20:26,547
[dramatic music]

389
00:20:26,614 --> 00:20:29,985
LESLIE:
I arrived in August of 1977.

390
00:20:30,051 --> 00:20:32,887
Six months later, we saw this
just enormous amount of people

391
00:20:32,954 --> 00:20:34,789
coming into--to Jonestown.

392
00:20:34,855 --> 00:20:38,326
I want to--approximately
500 additional people,

393
00:20:38,393 --> 00:20:39,994
and there was no space
for them.

394
00:20:40,061 --> 00:20:41,429
So it was really tough

395
00:20:41,495 --> 00:20:44,666
because the community
wasn't prepared.

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00:20:44,733 --> 00:20:47,635
- Also, the--the temple
was not really

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00:20:47,702 --> 00:20:51,373
very successful
as an agricultural mission.

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00:20:51,439 --> 00:20:54,943
Growing crops,
living in the heat, uh,

399
00:20:55,010 --> 00:20:57,111
away from all your friends
and--

400
00:20:57,178 --> 00:20:58,512
and sort of comforts of home,

401
00:20:58,579 --> 00:21:02,650
all of that
was taking a toll on people.
402
00:21:02,717 --> 00:21:05,820
There were late-night, uh,
perceived raids

403
00:21:05,887 --> 00:21:08,156
where people were jumped
out of bed.

404
00:21:08,223 --> 00:21:09,958
These were called
White Nights.

405
00:21:10,024 --> 00:21:13,728
[siren wailing]

406
00:21:13,795 --> 00:21:16,230
[people yelling]

407
00:21:16,297 --> 00:21:18,266
LESLIE: So my first
White Night experience

408
00:21:18,333 --> 00:21:21,269
was being awoken
in the middle of the night.

409
00:21:21,336 --> 00:21:24,305
I had no idea
what was going on.

410
00:21:24,372 --> 00:21:27,408
I heard Jim's voice saying,
run to the pavilion.

411
00:21:27,475 --> 00:21:29,344
Run to the pavilion.

412
00:21:29,411 --> 00:21:32,347
So I grab my clothes,
I put on my boots,

413
00:21:32,413 --> 00:21:34,582
and I go to the pavilion.

414
00:21:43,791 --> 00:21:45,159
- I mean, I'm frightened
because I don't

415
00:21:45,226 --> 00:21:47,329
understand what this is.

416
00:21:47,395 --> 00:21:49,230
I see Joe with Jakari,
and they're

417
00:21:49,297 --> 00:21:51,766
putting the children
behind, um,

418
00:21:51,833 --> 00:21:54,368
these picnic tables
that we eat off of.

419
00:22:03,845 --> 00:22:07,548
- And then Jim is talking
about, we're under attack.

420
00:22:07,615 --> 00:22:10,285
My first thought is,
under attack from who?

421
00:22:10,351 --> 00:22:11,787
Was it the CIA?

422
00:22:11,853 --> 00:22:12,954
Was it the army?

423
00:22:13,020 --> 00:22:14,422
Why were we here?

424
00:22:24,132 --> 00:22:26,301
LESLIE: Jim told us that we
were definitely under attack

425
00:22:26,368 --> 00:22:28,536
from the Guyanese army,
and I was given a machete,

426
00:22:28,603 --> 00:22:33,308
and this is what we're gonna
use to protect ourselves.

427
00:22:33,374 --> 00:22:37,212
We are looking at death
in the face,

428
00:22:37,278 --> 00:22:40,081
which was so real
at that moment.

429
00:22:44,686 --> 00:22:47,989
LESLIE:
What bothered me the most,

430
00:22:48,056 --> 00:22:49,724
not just me being awakened

431
00:22:49,791 --> 00:22:53,327
but the children being
awakened and traumatized.

432
00:22:53,394 --> 00:22:55,163
They're--they're babies
and they're toddlers,

433
00:22:55,230 --> 00:22:56,630
Jakari one of them,

434
00:22:56,697 --> 00:22:58,366
because I didn't want him
to be turned

435
00:22:58,432 --> 00:23:00,502
into a little child soldier

436
00:23:00,568 --> 00:23:03,872
that you see at nine years old
picking up a gun

437
00:23:03,938 --> 00:23:06,240
and killing someone
because they disagree with you.

438
00:23:06,307 --> 00:23:08,943
So my thought was,
if we can survive this,

439
00:23:09,010 --> 00:23:11,779
there has to be a way out.
440
00:23:11,846 --> 00:23:13,915
♪♪ ♪♪

441
00:23:13,981 --> 00:23:17,184
[siren wailing]

442
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,789
It got to the point
to where there were

443
00:23:20,856 --> 00:23:24,125
so many White Nights that I
began sleeping in my clothes

444
00:23:24,192 --> 00:23:26,995
and leaving my boots
next to my bed.

445
00:23:27,062 --> 00:23:31,066
I had a façade that
I was happy when I wasn't.

446
00:23:31,132 --> 00:23:34,168
That facade that I carried
for--for months

447
00:23:34,235 --> 00:23:38,573
worked until I just
couldn't do it anymore.

448
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,476
I thought the only
thing I can do

449
00:23:41,543 --> 00:23:44,579
is to try to get
to Georgetown, the capital,

450
00:23:44,646 --> 00:23:47,882
to get
to the American embassy.

451
00:23:47,949 --> 00:23:50,184
I was living a double life,
which was difficult.
452
00:23:50,251 --> 00:23:51,887
We're all prisoners, basically.

453
00:23:51,953 --> 00:23:54,689
None of us can leave.

454
00:23:54,756 --> 00:23:56,658
So I hid my glasses
in my trunk.

455
00:23:56,725 --> 00:23:58,993
I thought, that's
the simplest reason for them

456
00:23:59,060 --> 00:24:02,964
to OK my--my trip
to--to Georgetown

457
00:24:03,031 --> 00:24:05,767
to get a new pair of glasses,

458
00:24:05,834 --> 00:24:08,202
and they did.

459
00:24:08,269 --> 00:24:12,740
♪♪ ♪♪

460
00:24:12,807 --> 00:24:17,879
And so I was on the boat
going to, um, Georgetown.

461
00:24:17,946 --> 00:24:21,616
I was scared because I thought,
how am I going to get

462
00:24:21,683 --> 00:24:23,885
to the, you know,
American embassy?

463
00:24:23,952 --> 00:24:30,592
♪♪ ♪♪

464
00:24:30,659 --> 00:24:34,128
YULANDA: Jim Jones had some
of his most loyal followers
465
00:24:34,195 --> 00:24:37,332
watching folks in Georgetown

466
00:24:37,398 --> 00:24:39,768
to basically spy on folks

467
00:24:39,834 --> 00:24:42,937
and--and to make certain
that there were

468
00:24:43,004 --> 00:24:45,406
no attempts to go
to the embassy

469
00:24:45,473 --> 00:24:47,508
to return
to the United States.

470
00:24:47,575 --> 00:24:48,943
♪♪ ♪♪

471
00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:50,745
[heartbeat thumping]

472
00:24:50,811 --> 00:24:52,680
- I was scared that I was
gonna be found out.

473
00:24:52,747 --> 00:24:54,449
[heartbeat thumping]

474
00:24:54,516 --> 00:24:57,118
What if I get to the embassy?

475
00:24:57,185 --> 00:24:58,185
They're gonna be on the radio

476
00:24:58,252 --> 00:24:59,620
with Jonestown right away,

477
00:24:59,687 --> 00:25:03,425
telling, we have somebody
from Peoples Temple here.

478
00:25:03,491 --> 00:25:05,493
If that had happened,
there had been

479
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,162
no way I can get Jakari back.

480
00:25:07,229 --> 00:25:09,730
[heartbeat thumping]

481
00:25:09,797 --> 00:25:12,700
And so I just wasn't
willing to risk it.

482
00:25:12,767 --> 00:25:14,569
♪♪ ♪♪

483
00:25:14,636 --> 00:25:17,906
And I was
totally disappointed.

484
00:25:17,973 --> 00:25:22,444
I came back with my glasses
and saw Jakari.

485
00:25:22,510 --> 00:25:25,714
And Joe, you know, saw me
and, you know, said,

486
00:25:25,780 --> 00:25:26,881
I need to talk to you.

487
00:25:26,948 --> 00:25:28,049
And I thought, oh my gosh.

488
00:25:28,116 --> 00:25:30,385
♪♪ ♪♪

489
00:25:30,452 --> 00:25:32,720
He'd found the glasses.

490
00:25:32,787 --> 00:25:35,656
YULANDA: Joe Wilson
was a hardheaded man.

491
00:25:35,723 --> 00:25:39,361
Once Joe's temper
got the best of him,

492
00:25:39,427 --> 00:25:41,196
he didn't care who you are.

493
00:25:41,262 --> 00:25:43,631
He would take action.

494
00:25:43,698 --> 00:25:46,334
- He says, I found these
in--in the trunk.

495
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,172
And I said, oh, my gosh,
acting in complete shock.

496
00:25:50,238 --> 00:25:51,740
You found them where?

497
00:25:51,806 --> 00:25:54,476
How did they get in the bottom
of the trunk?

498
00:25:54,542 --> 00:25:56,711
That was the first time
I looked at him in his eyes

499
00:25:56,778 --> 00:25:59,114
and lied to him,

500
00:25:59,180 --> 00:26:01,849
and he knew it.

501
00:26:01,916 --> 00:26:09,090
♪♪ ♪♪

502
00:26:12,727 --> 00:26:15,397
- At this point, the outside
world hadn't really gotten

503
00:26:15,463 --> 00:26:17,565
a glimpse of what it
would be like to--to live

504
00:26:17,632 --> 00:26:19,967
in this, uh,
so-called paradise.

505
00:26:20,034 --> 00:26:23,204
Finally, one member
slipped away and said,

506
00:26:23,271 --> 00:26:25,373
here's what life's like
in Jonestown.

507
00:26:25,439 --> 00:26:27,074
- You don't speak out there.

508
00:26:27,141 --> 00:26:28,710
You don't speak out
and say, hey, I disagree

509
00:26:28,777 --> 00:26:30,745
with what you're doing,
because immediately

510
00:26:30,812 --> 00:26:33,314
then you are a defector.

511
00:26:33,381 --> 00:26:34,982
You are someone
who's against him,

512
00:26:35,049 --> 00:26:37,418
so he'll keep
a closer eye on you.

513
00:26:37,485 --> 00:26:39,654
- Debbie Layton was
a high-ranking church member.

514
00:26:39,721 --> 00:26:41,756
She knew a lot about
the church's doings.

515
00:26:41,823 --> 00:26:44,692
She handled some of their
money, uh, millions of dollars.

516
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:47,962
- He talks on the radio--
on the loudspeakers all day.
517
00:26:48,029 --> 00:26:51,132
He's--there's loudspeakers
within the community,

518
00:26:51,199 --> 00:26:52,767
the--the compound.

519
00:26:52,834 --> 00:26:55,837
MARSHALL: She left
for very predictable reasons.

520
00:26:55,904 --> 00:26:57,138
It--it was, uh, uninhabitable.

521
00:26:57,205 --> 00:26:58,440
It was, uh, intolerable.

522
00:26:58,506 --> 00:27:01,342
- All day,
you're hearing him talk,

523
00:27:01,409 --> 00:27:02,443
all day.

524
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:04,379
- She was one
of his close aides.

525
00:27:04,446 --> 00:27:08,150
When she left, he really
started getting paranoid.

526
00:27:08,216 --> 00:27:09,951
He felt betrayed.

527
00:27:10,018 --> 00:27:11,953
Seemed like all hell
broke loose.

528
00:27:12,020 --> 00:27:13,688
♪♪ ♪♪

529
00:27:13,754 --> 00:27:15,856
[siren wailing]
530
00:27:15,923 --> 00:27:19,594
I think that was the start
of the end.

531
00:27:30,739 --> 00:27:34,709
- Things progressively
got worse.

532
00:27:34,776 --> 00:27:38,646
The first, um, suicide drill
was during the day,

533
00:27:38,713 --> 00:27:41,249
and Jim called everyone
to the pavilion.

534
00:27:41,316 --> 00:27:43,751
He talks about
revolutionary suicide.

535
00:27:43,818 --> 00:27:45,753
And if we're under attack
and we feel like we're not--

536
00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:49,090
there's no way out, you know,
that's an honorable way to go.

537
00:27:49,157 --> 00:27:51,559
♪♪ ♪♪

538
00:27:51,626 --> 00:27:53,361
And he's asking people,
you know,

539
00:27:53,428 --> 00:27:56,063
are you willing to die
for the revolution?

540
00:28:10,679 --> 00:28:14,282
[crowd cheering]

541
00:28:14,348 --> 00:28:17,953
- It was just a part of
that brainwashing, you know?

542
00:28:18,019 --> 00:28:19,487
You up for so many hours,

543
00:28:19,554 --> 00:28:21,156
and all you want
is some sleep,

544
00:28:21,223 --> 00:28:23,124
especially after working
all day.

545
00:28:23,191 --> 00:28:27,862
And I'm thinking to myself,
if I could just get some sleep,

546
00:28:27,929 --> 00:28:32,767
you know, I'd gladly
die tomorrow, you know?

547
00:28:32,834 --> 00:28:36,904
LESLIE: I was so scared
that he would ask me

548
00:28:36,971 --> 00:28:39,607
to go and drink this potion.

549
00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:42,376
Later he comes to me,
he goes, Leslie,

550
00:28:42,443 --> 00:28:44,545
are you ready to die
for the revolution?

551
00:28:44,612 --> 00:28:46,380
♪♪ ♪♪

552
00:28:46,447 --> 00:28:48,149
My heart was racing out of my--

553
00:28:48,216 --> 00:28:49,150
I mean, my chest.

554
00:28:49,217 --> 00:28:51,986
♪♪ ♪♪

555
00:28:52,053 --> 00:28:54,155
I knew I had to say yes,

556
00:28:54,222 --> 00:28:55,991
uh, because if I didn't,

557
00:28:56,058 --> 00:28:57,492
I would have been disciplined.

558
00:28:57,559 --> 00:28:59,628
♪♪ ♪♪

559
00:28:59,694 --> 00:29:01,796
And I go, yes, Father.

560
00:29:01,863 --> 00:29:06,400
♪♪ ♪♪

561
00:29:06,467 --> 00:29:09,003
And he goes,
oh, it's just a test.

562
00:29:09,070 --> 00:29:12,974
♪♪ ♪♪

563
00:29:13,041 --> 00:29:16,845
What in the world is going on?

564
00:29:16,911 --> 00:29:17,912
Why would we kill ourselves?

565
00:29:17,979 --> 00:29:20,081
Why would I kill my child?

566
00:29:20,148 --> 00:29:22,117
But why are we--
what are we dying for?

567
00:29:22,184 --> 00:29:25,753
What was the reason for this?

568
00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:28,489
I just knew
that I had to get out.

569
00:29:28,556 --> 00:29:35,596
♪♪ ♪♪

570
00:29:39,767 --> 00:29:41,669
I was feeling
so overwhelmed

571
00:29:41,736 --> 00:29:44,005
and I was feeling
so disappointed,

572
00:29:44,072 --> 00:29:45,807
and I just wanted to vent.

573
00:29:45,874 --> 00:29:49,444
♪♪ ♪♪

574
00:29:49,511 --> 00:29:54,315
And so I wrote a letter
to my friend in Jonestown:

575
00:29:54,382 --> 00:29:55,950
I don't want to be here.
There's nothing for us.

576
00:29:56,017 --> 00:29:57,151
I hate Jonestown.

577
00:29:57,218 --> 00:29:58,819
I want to go back
to the States.

578
00:29:58,886 --> 00:30:00,288
You know, there's no life here.

579
00:30:00,355 --> 00:30:02,457
Please tear this up.

580
00:30:02,524 --> 00:30:05,159
And hoping maybe she can
give me some encouragement

581
00:30:05,226 --> 00:30:06,894
to say,
hey, it's gonna be OK,

582
00:30:06,961 --> 00:30:10,031
or maybe she knew something
I didn't know.

583
00:30:10,098 --> 00:30:12,333
I trusted her
not to share that

584
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,571
because she knew
what the outcome would be.

585
00:30:16,638 --> 00:30:18,840
I would be
in horrendous trouble,

586
00:30:18,907 --> 00:30:22,577
and I would be
probably beat up.

587
00:30:22,644 --> 00:30:24,880
♪♪ ♪♪

588
00:30:24,946 --> 00:30:27,649
[siren wailing]

589
00:30:27,715 --> 00:30:30,117
The next thing I know,

590
00:30:30,184 --> 00:30:31,853
Jim is reading the letter.

591
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,555
[indistinct chatter]

592
00:30:33,622 --> 00:30:35,690
He said, get front and center.

593
00:30:35,757 --> 00:30:37,758
So you don't want to be here.
You hate it.

594
00:30:37,825 --> 00:30:39,861
So--so you're not a socialist
and you--you're a traitor.

595
00:30:39,928 --> 00:30:42,097
♪♪ ♪♪

596
00:30:42,163 --> 00:30:43,498
Here comes my mother:

597
00:30:43,564 --> 00:30:45,200
you know, you're supposed
to--you know,

598
00:30:45,266 --> 00:30:47,468
you're supposed to be
a good socialist.

599
00:30:47,535 --> 00:30:48,870
My brother had to come up.

600
00:30:48,936 --> 00:30:50,538
You know, my sister:
you're not supposed--

601
00:30:50,605 --> 00:30:53,408
I mean,
they had to attack you.

602
00:30:53,474 --> 00:30:57,412
The whole audience
is screaming, you traitor!

603
00:30:57,478 --> 00:31:00,315
I felt such shame
that I was singled out

604
00:31:00,382 --> 00:31:03,484
and I was supposed
to be the wife of Joe Wilson,

605
00:31:03,551 --> 00:31:05,653
the mother of Jakari.

606
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,091
And Joe just had this look
on his face that, we're done.

607
00:31:10,158 --> 00:31:12,427
We're done.
608
00:31:12,494 --> 00:31:14,662
It's the worst thing
that could have happened,

609
00:31:14,729 --> 00:31:16,564
that I was exposed
in that way,

610
00:31:16,631 --> 00:31:19,968
because I had been fighting
so hard to--

611
00:31:20,035 --> 00:31:22,670
to wear these two
different masks.

612
00:31:22,737 --> 00:31:24,639
[chuckles]
Everything was shattered.

613
00:31:24,705 --> 00:31:25,840
Everything just...

614
00:31:25,907 --> 00:31:27,275
pieces.

615
00:31:27,342 --> 00:31:30,077
And I thought, I'm not
gonna be able to get out.

616
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,149
[dramatic music]

617
00:31:47,996 --> 00:31:50,098
♪♪ ♪♪

618
00:31:50,165 --> 00:31:53,134
LESLIE: I was sentenced to two
weeks on the Learning Crew

619
00:31:53,201 --> 00:31:54,502
'cause I was a traitor.

620
00:31:54,569 --> 00:31:56,738
I'm saying
that I want to leave.
621
00:31:56,805 --> 00:32:00,475
We're working six days a week.

622
00:32:00,542 --> 00:32:02,543
You have to run
everywhere you go,

623
00:32:02,610 --> 00:32:04,345
and you can't eat
with your family.

624
00:32:04,412 --> 00:32:05,413
You can't look at anyone.

625
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,015
You are excommunicated

626
00:32:07,082 --> 00:32:09,150
by--but still living
in the compound.

627
00:32:09,217 --> 00:32:11,853
♪♪ ♪♪

628
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,422
Joe kicked me out; he said,
you can't live here anymore.

629
00:32:14,489 --> 00:32:16,758
Um, I went into a cottage.

630
00:32:16,824 --> 00:32:19,794
I didn't have any--hardly any
friends, but I had my child.

631
00:32:19,861 --> 00:32:27,068
♪♪ ♪♪

632
00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:37,512
I did befriend someone in
the pharmacy named Diane Louie.

633
00:32:37,579 --> 00:32:42,149
So we kind of developed this--
this friendship,
634
00:32:42,216 --> 00:32:44,285
just talking
about different things.

635
00:32:44,352 --> 00:32:47,689
Nothing negative, of course.

636
00:32:47,756 --> 00:32:51,325
You didn't know who you could
trust and who you couldn't.

637
00:32:51,392 --> 00:32:56,330
One day, we got on the subject
of not being happy.

638
00:32:56,397 --> 00:33:00,401
Dangerous waters
to even question, you know,

639
00:33:00,468 --> 00:33:02,837
like, are you happy?

640
00:33:02,904 --> 00:33:04,906
I had butterflies
in my stomach.

641
00:33:04,973 --> 00:33:07,542
Um, she goes, well,
my boyfriend is finding an--

642
00:33:07,608 --> 00:33:10,778
an escape route
to leave Jonestown,

643
00:33:10,845 --> 00:33:12,714
and his name
was Richard Clark.

644
00:33:12,781 --> 00:33:16,417
And I said, well,
I want to go too.

645
00:33:16,484 --> 00:33:21,155
I really want to leave,
and I want Jakari with me.
646
00:33:21,222 --> 00:33:22,757
♪♪ ♪♪

647
00:33:22,824 --> 00:33:25,227
I believe they trusted me
because of the trouble

648
00:33:25,293 --> 00:33:26,761
that I got into.

649
00:33:26,828 --> 00:33:30,398
They believed that they
could trust a traitor.

650
00:33:30,465 --> 00:33:34,635
I just was on standby
and waiting.

651
00:33:45,814 --> 00:33:47,081
MARSHALL:
This is a religious group

652
00:33:47,148 --> 00:33:48,683
that has picked up and left,

653
00:33:48,750 --> 00:33:51,386
and their families
don't know much about them.

654
00:33:51,452 --> 00:33:52,854
Letters were returned.

655
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,789
Uh, visits were brushed off.

656
00:33:54,856 --> 00:33:56,658
And they were nervous
because they'd been hearing

657
00:33:56,725 --> 00:34:00,094
negative stories
about the temple.

658
00:34:00,161 --> 00:34:01,596
And they got together.
659
00:34:01,663 --> 00:34:03,564
They formed a sort
of a loose coalition.

660
00:34:03,631 --> 00:34:06,534
♪♪ ♪♪

661
00:34:06,601 --> 00:34:08,669
And that led
to Congressman Leo Ryan

662
00:34:08,736 --> 00:34:11,138
organizing a delegation
to go and visit

663
00:34:11,205 --> 00:34:13,574
the temple in Guyana.

664
00:34:13,641 --> 00:34:16,778
♪♪ ♪♪

665
00:34:16,845 --> 00:34:19,513
LESLIE: This set off
a wave of paranoia.

666
00:34:31,326 --> 00:34:33,528
- Jim made it very clear
he was not happy

667
00:34:33,595 --> 00:34:37,532
that this congressman
was coming in to start trouble.

668
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,301
- He was talking
about, um, Leo Ryan

669
00:34:40,368 --> 00:34:44,105
and all these, uh,
concerned family members,

670
00:34:44,172 --> 00:34:48,042
just talking about,
you know, um,

671
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:50,144
that was just gonna be
his last battle.

672
00:34:50,211 --> 00:34:56,550
♪♪ ♪♪

673
00:34:56,617 --> 00:34:57,852
MARSHALL:
There was an eagerness

674
00:34:57,919 --> 00:34:59,620
among media to--to go.

675
00:34:59,687 --> 00:35:03,191
Here was a--an odd story
in a faraway place.

676
00:35:03,257 --> 00:35:04,793
Um, we have
a real-life congressman

677
00:35:04,859 --> 00:35:06,627
leading the--
leading the charge.

678
00:35:06,694 --> 00:35:12,967
♪♪ ♪♪

679
00:35:13,034 --> 00:35:14,869
They land
on a nearby airstrip,

680
00:35:14,936 --> 00:35:16,872
dirt airstrip,
nothing special.

681
00:35:16,938 --> 00:35:19,174
[siren wailing]

682
00:35:19,241 --> 00:35:22,143
LESLIE:
We heard the siren.

683
00:35:22,210 --> 00:35:23,545
Everyone get to the pavilion.

684
00:35:23,612 --> 00:35:25,179
Everyone get
to the pavilion.

685
00:35:26,882 --> 00:35:30,018
LESLIE: Congressman Leo Ryan
has arrived.

686
00:35:30,085 --> 00:35:36,825
♪♪ ♪♪

687
00:35:36,892 --> 00:35:39,527
MARSHALL: The group
had driven to Jonestown.

688
00:35:39,594 --> 00:35:43,598
They're shown this.
They're talked to that.

689
00:35:43,665 --> 00:35:47,736
They have a--a sort of
a--a rousing, uh, evening.

690
00:35:47,802 --> 00:35:50,738
[upbeat music playing]

691
00:35:50,805 --> 00:35:52,774
♪♪ ♪♪

692
00:35:52,841 --> 00:35:55,744
[crowd cheering]

693
00:35:55,810 --> 00:35:58,680
Congressman Ryan says,
I've seen this beautiful, uh,

694
00:35:58,746 --> 00:36:01,115
operation of yours,
and I'm really impressed.

695
00:36:01,182 --> 00:36:02,750
- I can tell you right now
there's some--

696
00:36:02,817 --> 00:36:04,552
some people here who believe
that this is the best thing
697
00:36:04,619 --> 00:36:06,154
that ever happened
in their whole life.

698
00:36:06,221 --> 00:36:07,822
[crowd cheering]

699
00:36:07,888 --> 00:36:09,791
LESLIE: We put on a good show,
and the clapping went on

700
00:36:09,858 --> 00:36:11,426
for at least two
or three minutes.

701
00:36:11,493 --> 00:36:15,163
[crowd cheering]

702
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:17,098
Then Diane came to me
and said,

703
00:36:17,165 --> 00:36:18,633
we're leaving tomorrow morning.

704
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:21,102
♪♪ ♪♪

705
00:36:21,168 --> 00:36:22,804
I'm thinking,
finally, it's here.

706
00:36:22,871 --> 00:36:25,606
Finally, it's here.

707
00:36:25,673 --> 00:36:28,276
And I knew I was doing
the right thing,

708
00:36:28,342 --> 00:36:30,511
but it didn't stop my fear.

709
00:36:30,578 --> 00:36:33,048
♪♪ ♪♪
710
00:36:33,114 --> 00:36:36,184
[thunder rumbling]

711
00:36:36,251 --> 00:36:38,820
♪♪ ♪♪

712
00:36:38,887 --> 00:36:40,721
I was really nervous,
really nervous

713
00:36:40,788 --> 00:36:44,192
because this is the day
that I have to leave.

714
00:36:44,258 --> 00:36:46,961
I think security
is really on alert now

715
00:36:47,028 --> 00:36:48,930
with, um, Congressman Ryan.

716
00:36:48,997 --> 00:36:51,766
That was an opportunity,
so we have to take the chance.

717
00:36:51,833 --> 00:36:53,434
♪♪ ♪♪

718
00:36:53,501 --> 00:36:55,503
I got to the kitchen,

719
00:36:55,569 --> 00:36:59,908
and Diane and Richard
were there,

720
00:36:59,974 --> 00:37:02,010
and I had Jakari.

721
00:37:02,077 --> 00:37:05,680
And then Joe comes up,
and he asks us,

722
00:37:05,747 --> 00:37:06,748
where are you going?

723
00:37:06,815 --> 00:37:10,552
♪♪ ♪♪

724
00:37:10,618 --> 00:37:12,754
And I thought,
OK, I'm done.

725
00:37:12,820 --> 00:37:16,191
We're not going.

726
00:37:16,257 --> 00:37:17,525
And then I look at Richard.

727
00:37:17,592 --> 00:37:18,794
Richard just gives me
this look like,

728
00:37:18,860 --> 00:37:22,497
don't--don't do anything.

729
00:37:22,563 --> 00:37:25,266
And then Richard says,
we're going on a picnic.

730
00:37:25,333 --> 00:37:27,969
♪♪ ♪♪

731
00:37:28,036 --> 00:37:31,872
And Joe says, well,
today's not a good day.

732
00:37:31,939 --> 00:37:35,277
NEWSCASTER: Don Harris spoke
to many Jonestown people.

733
00:37:35,343 --> 00:37:36,811
- Are you happy here?

734
00:37:36,878 --> 00:37:38,646
MARSHALL: Things began
to fall apart fast.

735
00:37:38,713 --> 00:37:40,682
Some of the concerned
relatives,

736
00:37:40,749 --> 00:37:43,818
the outside critics
who had come with Ryan,

737
00:37:43,885 --> 00:37:45,787
began to find their relatives

738
00:37:45,853 --> 00:37:49,323
who now say they want
to leave with this delegation.

739
00:37:56,564 --> 00:37:58,934
MARSHALL:
Jones becomes furious.

740
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,636
His kind of, uh, face falls.

741
00:38:01,703 --> 00:38:03,538
It--it--there's a fracture
in the image.

742
00:38:03,605 --> 00:38:06,041
People aren't as happy
as he suggests.

743
00:38:06,107 --> 00:38:08,576
- People play games, friend.

744
00:38:08,643 --> 00:38:10,177
They lie.
They lie.

745
00:38:10,244 --> 00:38:11,345
What can I do about liars?

746
00:38:11,412 --> 00:38:13,281
Are you people going to--
leave us.

747
00:38:13,348 --> 00:38:15,650
I just beg you,
please leave us.

748
00:38:15,717 --> 00:38:19,354
♪♪ ♪♪
749
00:38:19,421 --> 00:38:23,291
LESLIE:
I went to go see my mom,

750
00:38:23,358 --> 00:38:25,893
and I said,
Mom, I just want to say,

751
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:26,961
you know, goodbye, basically.

752
00:38:27,028 --> 00:38:28,563
She goes, where are you going?

753
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:29,964
I said,
we're going on a picnic.

754
00:38:30,031 --> 00:38:32,867
And she's--a picnic?

755
00:38:32,934 --> 00:38:34,268
My mother was there.

756
00:38:34,335 --> 00:38:36,004
My brother was there.

757
00:38:36,071 --> 00:38:38,472
My sister, Michelle.

758
00:38:38,539 --> 00:38:41,242
So my plan was to--
to leave, escape Jonestown,

759
00:38:41,309 --> 00:38:43,144
and bring my family back.

760
00:38:43,211 --> 00:38:45,747
And so I hugged her
and I kissed her

761
00:38:45,813 --> 00:38:47,982
and I told her I loved her,

762
00:38:48,049 --> 00:38:49,884
not knowing
that was the last time

763
00:38:49,951 --> 00:38:52,153
I was gonna see her.

764
00:38:52,220 --> 00:38:55,056
♪♪ ♪♪

765
00:38:55,123 --> 00:38:57,392
MARSHALL: Congressman Ryan's
group tried to take

766
00:38:57,459 --> 00:39:00,795
some of the, uh, relatives
who want to now leave

767
00:39:00,862 --> 00:39:02,630
with their family members.

768
00:39:02,697 --> 00:39:05,700
- You bring
those kids back here!

769
00:39:05,767 --> 00:39:08,303
Don't you touch my kid!

770
00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:09,770
MARSHALL:
They go back to the airstrip,

771
00:39:09,837 --> 00:39:13,541
and at this point, uh,
Ryan is--is roughed up.

772
00:39:13,608 --> 00:39:15,243
♪♪ ♪♪

773
00:39:15,309 --> 00:39:18,145
- Suddenly, the knife
was around my neck.

774
00:39:18,212 --> 00:39:20,782
MARSHALL:
He has a bloody shirt.

775
00:39:20,849 --> 00:39:23,150
HERBERT:
That's when he really, uh,

776
00:39:23,217 --> 00:39:24,485
said, it's time to go,

777
00:39:24,552 --> 00:39:26,587
or he felt like
he was in trouble.

778
00:39:26,654 --> 00:39:29,824
He didn't know Jones
was this, uh,

779
00:39:29,891 --> 00:39:33,361
crazy or fanatic, you know?

780
00:39:33,427 --> 00:39:36,197
I don't think the majority
of the people thought that this

781
00:39:36,263 --> 00:39:39,033
was actually gonna go down.

782
00:39:40,234 --> 00:39:42,537
[siren wailing]

783
00:39:42,604 --> 00:39:44,472
- I look at Richard,
and Richard says--

784
00:39:44,539 --> 00:39:45,974
kind of said,
we--we got to go, right?

785
00:39:46,041 --> 00:39:48,276
As fast as we can, go, go, go.

786
00:39:48,343 --> 00:39:50,545
♪♪ ♪♪

787
00:39:50,612 --> 00:39:54,682
I have Jakari, um, on my back
with a sheet.

788
00:39:54,749 --> 00:39:59,053
A total of 11 people
were on the road that day.

789
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,688
Richard had been
preparing the escape

790
00:40:00,755 --> 00:40:03,325
by cutting a way
through the jungle

791
00:40:03,391 --> 00:40:08,996
from the time he got there,
which was eight months prior.

792
00:40:09,063 --> 00:40:10,565
We start going up
to this--this field

793
00:40:10,632 --> 00:40:12,833
where the banana trees
are normally at,

794
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:16,704
so we are totally exposed.

795
00:40:16,771 --> 00:40:18,707
And I'm thinking,
there's no way they c--

796
00:40:18,773 --> 00:40:19,774
they don't see us.

797
00:40:19,841 --> 00:40:21,910
How could they not see us?

798
00:40:21,977 --> 00:40:23,811
So I'm following
everyone up,

799
00:40:23,878 --> 00:40:28,083
and I'm waiting for the bullet.

800
00:40:28,149 --> 00:40:31,286
I begged them,
if you see me shot dead,
801
00:40:31,352 --> 00:40:33,721
please get Jakari out.

802
00:40:33,788 --> 00:40:35,523
♪♪ ♪♪

803
00:40:35,590 --> 00:40:39,260
I was ready to die
to make sure my son was free.

804
00:40:42,263 --> 00:40:45,132
[dramatic music]

805
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:47,468
LESLIE: I still don't know
which direction we're going,

806
00:40:47,535 --> 00:40:49,370
but I'm following
the leader,

807
00:40:49,437 --> 00:40:51,005
Richard Clark and Diane Louie.

808
00:40:51,072 --> 00:40:53,107
♪♪ ♪♪

809
00:40:53,174 --> 00:40:55,109
The only way
to leave Jonestown

810
00:40:55,176 --> 00:40:57,011
was catching the boat,

811
00:40:57,078 --> 00:41:00,181
riding the boat the 24-hour
ride into Georgetown

812
00:41:00,248 --> 00:41:04,052
or going to Port Kaituma
and getting on a plane.

813
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:07,188
♪♪ ♪♪
814
00:41:07,255 --> 00:41:08,489
You know, we keep walking,

815
00:41:08,556 --> 00:41:11,292
and then we hear
someone coming up:

816
00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:13,395
where are you guys going?

817
00:41:13,461 --> 00:41:15,530
We--we're going on a picnic.

818
00:41:15,597 --> 00:41:17,065
♪♪ ♪♪

819
00:41:17,131 --> 00:41:22,737
Still, that excuse for
a picnic has not registered.

820
00:41:22,803 --> 00:41:26,975
What I knew was,
he was going to notify people

821
00:41:27,042 --> 00:41:29,176
that he had seen us
on the road,

822
00:41:29,243 --> 00:41:33,414
and that was going
to initiate a search for us.

823
00:41:33,481 --> 00:41:35,016
So we pick up the speed.

824
00:41:35,083 --> 00:41:38,553
Jakari's getting heavy,
of course, but we keep moving.

825
00:41:38,620 --> 00:41:41,789
♪♪ ♪♪

826
00:41:41,856 --> 00:41:43,091
MARSHALL: Jones says,
no, I can't control
827
00:41:43,158 --> 00:41:44,492
this world anymore.

828
00:41:44,558 --> 00:41:45,727
And people are puzzled
all around him:

829
00:41:45,794 --> 00:41:46,728
what--what do we do?

830
00:41:46,795 --> 00:41:47,729
How do we stop this?

831
00:41:47,796 --> 00:41:49,498
What do we do next?

832
00:41:49,564 --> 00:41:51,232
There's a rush to leave
with this group.

833
00:41:51,298 --> 00:41:53,001
They're not sure what's
gonna happen next.

834
00:41:53,067 --> 00:41:56,671
Jones' pe--people seem to be
unhinged, uncontrolled.

835
00:41:56,738 --> 00:41:59,074
♪♪ ♪♪

836
00:41:59,140 --> 00:42:00,808
- We can hear
the tractor trailer

837
00:42:00,875 --> 00:42:04,946
coming with all the entourage,
the concerned relatives.

838
00:42:05,013 --> 00:42:08,983
So we dive to the right-hand
side of the--of the road.

839
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:11,453
♪♪ ♪♪
840
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:14,722
We just laid
in the grass quietly,

841
00:42:14,789 --> 00:42:18,126
praying that nobody
would say anything,

842
00:42:18,193 --> 00:42:19,360
that Jakari wouldn't cry out.

843
00:42:19,427 --> 00:42:21,496
[indistinct chatter]

844
00:42:21,563 --> 00:42:25,200
And we could hear them
talking.

845
00:42:25,267 --> 00:42:27,302
Joe was looking for me.

846
00:42:27,369 --> 00:42:29,204
[heartbeat thumping]

847
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:30,605
He was looking
underneath the truck--

848
00:42:30,672 --> 00:42:32,240
the truck to see
if we were there.

849
00:42:32,306 --> 00:42:34,242
He was frantic.

850
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:35,476
He was frantic
that he couldn't--

851
00:42:35,543 --> 00:42:37,111
that he couldn't find us.

852
00:42:37,178 --> 00:42:39,246
And people said, well,
we don't--she's not here.
853
00:42:39,313 --> 00:42:40,382
We don't know where she is.

854
00:42:40,448 --> 00:42:41,683
We don't know where she is.

855
00:42:41,749 --> 00:42:43,785
And so he was--
he was highly upset.

856
00:42:43,852 --> 00:42:51,025
♪♪ ♪♪

857
00:43:03,605 --> 00:43:06,975
HERBERT: Jones gave
the security team an order

858
00:43:07,042 --> 00:43:08,910
to go to Port Kaituma airstrip

859
00:43:08,977 --> 00:43:10,812
to, um,

860
00:43:10,878 --> 00:43:12,046
shoot the congressman.

861
00:43:12,113 --> 00:43:13,782
♪♪ ♪♪

862
00:43:13,848 --> 00:43:16,985
- And that's when
all hell breaks loose.

863
00:43:17,052 --> 00:43:19,387
- They drove up
on the airstrip

864
00:43:19,454 --> 00:43:22,023
and just started
shooting everyone.

865
00:43:22,089 --> 00:43:23,992
[gunshot]

866
00:43:24,059 --> 00:43:31,265
♪♪ ♪♪

867
00:43:33,334 --> 00:43:35,403
MARSHALL:
They kill Ryan.

868
00:43:35,469 --> 00:43:39,641
They wound other people,
and it's not till the next day

869
00:43:39,707 --> 00:43:41,476
that help arrives.

870
00:43:41,543 --> 00:43:42,643
♪♪ ♪♪

871
00:43:52,554 --> 00:43:56,424
♪♪ ♪♪

872
00:43:56,491 --> 00:43:59,427
LESLIE: We're all on this walk
for freedom,

873
00:43:59,494 --> 00:44:02,897
and I'm sure everyone
in Jonestown realized,

874
00:44:02,964 --> 00:44:04,866
this is not just a picnic.

875
00:44:04,932 --> 00:44:07,769
This is a full-blown escape.

876
00:44:07,835 --> 00:44:09,804
We were nowhere to be seen.

877
00:44:09,871 --> 00:44:11,773
♪♪ ♪♪

878
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:13,508
We don't know how many hours
we've been on the road

879
00:44:13,575 --> 00:44:15,076
'cause no one has a watch,
880
00:44:15,142 --> 00:44:16,878
but we know that we've
covered some miles.

881
00:44:16,945 --> 00:44:18,680
We feel that.

882
00:44:18,747 --> 00:44:20,682
And so we're--we're walking,
we're walking, we're walking.

883
00:44:20,748 --> 00:44:24,052
And we make our way
to a clearing,

884
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:25,386
and then we have
this discussion

885
00:44:25,453 --> 00:44:28,122
about which way to go.

886
00:44:28,189 --> 00:44:29,791
The original plan
was seven miles

887
00:44:29,858 --> 00:44:33,161
trekking through the jungle
to Port Kaituma.

888
00:44:33,228 --> 00:44:35,263
I knew that going
to Port Kaituma for me

889
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:37,766
meant Joe would easily
be able to find me.

890
00:44:37,832 --> 00:44:41,903
That's the first place they're
going to look is Port Kaituma.

891
00:44:41,969 --> 00:44:45,139
I knew that if Joe found me

892
00:44:45,206 --> 00:44:47,075
that Joe would have
shot me dead.

893
00:44:47,142 --> 00:44:49,611
No doubt.
No doubt in my mind.

894
00:44:49,677 --> 00:44:54,115
But the closest town is,
like, 30-something miles away.

895
00:44:54,181 --> 00:44:56,751
I believe everybody resolved
themselves to say, OK,

896
00:44:56,818 --> 00:45:01,322
our only other option
is Matthews Ridge.

897
00:45:01,389 --> 00:45:02,657
But no one had been
to Matthews Ridge,

898
00:45:02,724 --> 00:45:06,628
so we were going
blinded, basically.

899
00:45:06,695 --> 00:45:11,365
But that was our best chance
at that time for survival.

900
00:45:19,340 --> 00:45:21,109
MARSHALL: You can't just
kill a delegation

901
00:45:21,176 --> 00:45:23,210
and return to normal life.

902
00:45:30,351 --> 00:45:32,053
MARSHALL:
Everything is crashing down.

903
00:45:36,458 --> 00:45:39,027
- By this time, he's--
he's not the same person.

904
00:45:39,094 --> 00:45:41,630
His voice is different.

905
00:45:41,696 --> 00:45:43,297
His speech is slurred.

906
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:50,839
- He's just, uh,

907
00:45:50,905 --> 00:45:52,306
at the end of his tether.

908
00:45:55,243 --> 00:45:56,711
[crowd yells]

909
00:46:01,416 --> 00:46:04,719
LESLIE: The sun's getting
higher, and we're tired.

910
00:46:04,786 --> 00:46:06,922
[train horn blows]

911
00:46:06,988 --> 00:46:11,092
And then all of a sudden,
we hear the sound of a train.

912
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:13,094
[train rumbling]

913
00:46:13,161 --> 00:46:15,330
Everyone decided, we're gonna
go climb on the train

914
00:46:15,396 --> 00:46:16,831
to Matthews Ridge.

915
00:46:16,898 --> 00:46:23,738
♪♪ ♪♪

916
00:46:24,705 --> 00:46:28,175
The train stops,

917
00:46:28,242 --> 00:46:30,946
and these policemen
come down with guns.

918
00:46:31,012 --> 00:46:34,182
They--they draw guns on us.

919
00:46:34,248 --> 00:46:37,618
And we're--we're
putting our hands up.

920
00:46:37,685 --> 00:46:41,289
They say, you know,
who are you?

921
00:46:41,356 --> 00:46:42,824
You know, I was scared
that they were gonna

922
00:46:42,891 --> 00:46:45,994
send us back to Jonestown.

923
00:46:46,061 --> 00:46:49,430
And the captain says,
we heard

924
00:46:49,497 --> 00:46:52,700
it was like
a concentration camp.

925
00:46:52,767 --> 00:46:55,069
And we just thought,

926
00:46:55,136 --> 00:46:56,904
oh, my God,
so you're a friend.

927
00:46:56,971 --> 00:46:58,840
You're not a foe.

928
00:46:58,907 --> 00:47:03,577
♪♪ ♪♪

929
00:47:03,644 --> 00:47:07,048
We knew that we were safe
at that moment.

930
00:47:07,115 --> 00:47:12,119
♪♪ ♪♪

931
00:47:19,227 --> 00:47:20,494
[crowd yells]

932
00:47:26,567 --> 00:47:28,136
[crowd screams]

933
00:47:28,203 --> 00:47:29,537
- I don't think, um,

934
00:47:29,603 --> 00:47:31,606
majority of the people
knew that, you know,

935
00:47:31,673 --> 00:47:35,776
he had the cyanide poison,
you know, to do this.

936
00:47:46,754 --> 00:47:48,723
- You had three choices.

937
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:51,293
Either you drank it,

938
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:53,995
or you got injected with it,

939
00:47:54,062 --> 00:47:58,100
or if you tried to run,
you got shot.

940
00:47:58,166 --> 00:48:00,101
Take your pick.

941
00:48:11,346 --> 00:48:15,083
- I don't think any of them
really imagined

942
00:48:15,150 --> 00:48:18,820
that he would have been
such a coward

943
00:48:18,887 --> 00:48:21,723
that he would have forced them

944
00:48:21,790 --> 00:48:24,225
to be poisoned, to be killed.
945
00:48:39,740 --> 00:48:41,309
[people clamoring]

946
00:48:48,583 --> 00:48:50,151
NEWSCASTER: Good evening.
Here's what's happening.

947
00:48:50,218 --> 00:48:51,553
We're interrupting
our special broadcasting

948
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:53,721
to bring you
this special report, um,

949
00:48:53,788 --> 00:48:55,924
a news scene newsbreak
on the Peoples Temple

950
00:48:55,991 --> 00:48:57,191
mass suicides in Guyana

951
00:48:57,258 --> 00:48:58,926
and the murder
of Congressman Leo Ryan.

952
00:48:58,993 --> 00:49:01,496
I also have to warn you as
we begin this special report

953
00:49:01,563 --> 00:49:03,331
that what you're
about to see

954
00:49:03,398 --> 00:49:04,833
almost defies description,

955
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:08,369
and some of you may not want
to watch it.

956
00:49:08,436 --> 00:49:10,338
MARSHALL:
There's, uh, just a--

957
00:49:10,405 --> 00:49:13,875
a hillside of--of dead bodies.

958
00:49:13,942 --> 00:49:16,410
Jones himself is dead.

959
00:49:16,477 --> 00:49:17,979
The others around him
are dead.

960
00:49:18,046 --> 00:49:22,583
And that's when the--the real
dimension and scale of--

961
00:49:22,650 --> 00:49:26,954
of the horror, uh,
it comes about.

962
00:49:27,021 --> 00:49:28,723
♪♪ ♪♪

963
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:30,691
You force somebody
to kill themselves,

964
00:49:30,758 --> 00:49:33,461
but they're not really killing
themselves then, are they?

965
00:49:33,528 --> 00:49:35,263
I don't know.

966
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:36,964
It's just sick.

967
00:49:37,031 --> 00:49:38,667
♪♪ ♪♪

968
00:49:38,733 --> 00:49:41,069
- It was not suicide.
It was murder.

969
00:49:41,136 --> 00:49:47,708
♪♪ ♪♪

970
00:49:49,844 --> 00:49:53,348
LESLIE: We found out
when we got to Georgetown

971
00:49:53,415 --> 00:49:58,019
the count was 911 bodies.

972
00:49:58,086 --> 00:49:59,688
And I thought...[scoffs]

973
00:49:59,754 --> 00:50:02,691
There's no way--there's no way
that could be right.

974
00:50:02,758 --> 00:50:04,925
NEWSCASTER: Those who departed
today are the second group

975
00:50:04,992 --> 00:50:07,061
to leave Guyana,
and 30 more

976
00:50:07,128 --> 00:50:08,729
are expected to leave tomorrow.

977
00:50:08,796 --> 00:50:11,832
[indistinct chatter]

978
00:50:13,067 --> 00:50:16,237
- Turn around this way, OK?

979
00:50:17,505 --> 00:50:20,041
INTERVIEWER: Now,
your husband had been a part

980
00:50:20,107 --> 00:50:23,544
of the security force
in Jonestown.

981
00:50:23,611 --> 00:50:25,313
Tell me what you know
about that.

982
00:50:25,379 --> 00:50:26,948
- From what I understand,

983
00:50:27,015 --> 00:50:30,185
he was one of the gunmen
who killed Congressman Ryan

984
00:50:30,251 --> 00:50:31,586
and the others on the plane.

985
00:50:31,653 --> 00:50:34,689
INTERVIEWER:
How do you feel about that?

986
00:50:34,755 --> 00:50:37,792
- It didn't--
it didn't surprise me,

987
00:50:37,858 --> 00:50:40,195
mainly because, um,
Joe would do anything

988
00:50:40,261 --> 00:50:42,396
Jim Jones told him to.

989
00:50:42,463 --> 00:50:44,766
INTERVIEWER:
People who were in Jonestown

990
00:50:44,833 --> 00:50:47,568
trusted Jim Jones enough
that when he said,

991
00:50:47,635 --> 00:50:49,904
the best thing for us
is to commit suicide,

992
00:50:49,971 --> 00:50:51,506
they committed suicide.
- Right.

993
00:50:51,572 --> 00:50:52,773
INTERVIEWER:
They poisoned their children.

994
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,242
- Right.
INTERVIEWER: Why?

995
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:57,378
- From what I--
from what I understand,

996
00:50:57,445 --> 00:50:59,981
and I've been in enough
of the so-called White Nights

997
00:51:00,047 --> 00:51:01,349
to know how people reacted--

998
00:51:01,416 --> 00:51:02,550
INTERVIEWER:
The suicide drills.

999
00:51:02,617 --> 00:51:03,985
- Right.

1000
00:51:04,052 --> 00:51:08,823
And, um, I think mainly
because of the pressure

1001
00:51:08,890 --> 00:51:12,360
and because of the lies
that Jim Jones had said

1002
00:51:12,427 --> 00:51:15,063
about fascists would come in
and take the children

1003
00:51:15,129 --> 00:51:16,998
and put them
in concentration camps,

1004
00:51:17,065 --> 00:51:19,233
so therefore they
wouldn't have to suffer.

1005
00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:21,836
INTERVIEWER: Why did people
who lived in Jonestown

1006
00:51:21,903 --> 00:51:25,173
believe that, if they did?

1007
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:28,209
- Jim Jones had
a charisma about him.
1008
00:51:28,276 --> 00:51:29,811
And as time--
as when I got over here,

1009
00:51:29,878 --> 00:51:31,079
things just changed.

1010
00:51:31,146 --> 00:51:32,747
It wasn't how it
was described to be.

1011
00:51:32,814 --> 00:51:35,249
Jonestown wasn't the way
it was described to be.

1012
00:51:35,316 --> 00:51:37,652
And I think mainly that
they believed they wanted

1013
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,587
to hold on to something.

1014
00:51:39,654 --> 00:51:41,256
INTERVIEWER:
Had you been there--

1015
00:51:41,323 --> 00:51:42,757
LESLIE:
What would I have done?

1016
00:51:42,824 --> 00:51:44,992
♪♪ ♪♪

1017
00:51:45,059 --> 00:51:47,262
Um, I wouldn't have
taken the poison.

1018
00:51:47,329 --> 00:51:49,931
I would have--I would have had
to have been shot.

1019
00:51:49,998 --> 00:51:51,399
♪♪ ♪♪

1020
00:51:51,466 --> 00:51:53,535
The whole thing
was a brainwashing technique.

1021
00:51:53,601 --> 00:51:56,237
It kept people
from not really thinking,

1022
00:51:56,304 --> 00:51:59,274
not really realizing
what was actually going on.

1023
00:51:59,340 --> 00:52:01,342
It was nothing
but a concentration camp,

1024
00:52:01,409 --> 00:52:03,678
a modern-day slave camp.

1025
00:52:03,745 --> 00:52:07,515
♪♪ ♪♪

1026
00:52:07,582 --> 00:52:11,519
I got Jakari out by the grace
of God and a lot of help.

1027
00:52:11,586 --> 00:52:14,255
♪♪ ♪♪

1028
00:52:14,322 --> 00:52:16,191
So there was joy,
but then there was pain.

1029
00:52:16,257 --> 00:52:17,759
There was so much joy.

1030
00:52:17,826 --> 00:52:19,160
There was so much pain, right?

1031
00:52:19,227 --> 00:52:23,531
And it lasted for years.

1032
00:52:23,598 --> 00:52:30,638
♪♪ ♪♪

1033
00:52:42,951 --> 00:52:45,086
The aftereffects of that,
the aftermath of that
1034
00:52:45,153 --> 00:52:47,389
was so tragic,
so tragic.

1035
00:52:47,455 --> 00:52:51,459
And, um, survivor's guilt

1036
00:52:51,525 --> 00:52:53,828
was rampant, rampant for me.

1037
00:52:53,895 --> 00:52:57,932
♪♪ ♪♪

1038
00:52:57,999 --> 00:52:59,500
I didn't accept the--the--

1039
00:52:59,567 --> 00:53:02,404
the--the deaths of my--
my mother, my brother,

1040
00:53:02,471 --> 00:53:03,871
my sister, my niece
and nephew, my friends.

1041
00:53:03,938 --> 00:53:07,942
I couldn't--I couldn't
even comprehend that.

1042
00:53:08,009 --> 00:53:14,582
♪♪ ♪♪

1043
00:53:15,450 --> 00:53:19,087
- Man, I felt--it felt--
it felt numbing.

1044
00:53:19,153 --> 00:53:22,190
I mean, you know,
it's like, um--

1045
00:53:22,257 --> 00:53:25,026
like being in a daze.

1046
00:53:25,093 --> 00:53:26,962
I lost my mom.
1047
00:53:27,028 --> 00:53:29,530
And I'm thinking,
jeez, my mom, my brothers

1048
00:53:29,597 --> 00:53:33,868
and sisters are here,
my cousins, my little nephew.

1049
00:53:33,935 --> 00:53:39,674
Uh, all these lives
that were wasted, you know?

1050
00:53:39,741 --> 00:53:46,347
♪♪ ♪♪

1051
00:53:46,414 --> 00:53:49,717
- Well, the 18th of November
reminds me of the fact

1052
00:53:49,784 --> 00:53:54,288
that my life speaks
for 900-plus people

1053
00:53:54,355 --> 00:53:56,824
who can't speak for themselves.

1054
00:53:56,891 --> 00:54:03,932
♪♪ ♪♪

1055
00:54:05,100 --> 00:54:07,969
LESLIE: You know, Jakari had--
life has--had not turned out

1056
00:54:08,036 --> 00:54:09,571
the way I wanted it to be,

1057
00:54:09,637 --> 00:54:11,473
and I know because
he was traumatized

1058
00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:13,141
from in the womb

1059
00:54:13,207 --> 00:54:17,712
to outside the womb
to Jonestown.
1060
00:54:17,779 --> 00:54:24,819
♪♪ ♪♪

1061
00:54:25,353 --> 00:54:28,490
So it's been difficult,
but we love each other,

1062
00:54:28,556 --> 00:54:31,793
and I love him
to the moon and back.

1063
00:54:31,860 --> 00:54:34,896
♪♪ ♪♪

1064
00:54:34,962 --> 00:54:36,631
This is so lovely, isn't it?

1065
00:54:36,698 --> 00:54:40,301
Look at all the leaves
down here.

1066
00:54:40,368 --> 00:54:42,303
Aren't there a lot of leaves?

1067
00:54:42,370 --> 00:54:43,704
I look at my granddaughter
now, I'm like,

1068
00:54:43,771 --> 00:54:47,008
my God, he was--
that was his age, at three.

1069
00:54:47,075 --> 00:54:49,678
[laughs]
What do you think?

1070
00:54:49,744 --> 00:54:53,915
I still have faith in humanity
that things can change,

1071
00:54:53,981 --> 00:54:57,685
and what that takes is love.

1072
00:54:57,752 --> 00:55:00,021
That's it.
Love.

1073
00:55:00,088 --> 00:55:01,723
That's all it takes.

1074
00:55:01,790 --> 00:55:08,829
♪♪ ♪♪