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Alex
Former Professional Consultant · Author has 158
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There are two aspects to this question.

1. what is the Lotus Principle?

2. What is customary international law?

The Lotus principle arose from a collision of the S S


Lotus, a French registered ship and a Turkish
registered ship, the S S Bozkurt, near the port of
Mytilene (Greece) on 2 August 1926. Eight Turkish
sailors went thrown overboard and drowned when
the French steamer tore into the Turkish ship. (Case
of the SS Lotus vs SS Bozkurt (France v Turkey)).

Criminal charges was pressed against Monsieur


Demons, the French officer of the deck at time of
collision. Preliminary legal issue was jurisdiction. The
case was filed at the Permanent International Court
of Justice. Turkey wanted to try M Demons in a
Turkish court but France argued that as the Lotus
was a French ship sailing in international waters and
the officer was a French National, the case should
rightly be tried in France. On 7 September 1927 the
case was heard before the ICJ. The France’s
argument was rejected by a bare 6–5 majority and
the ICJ distinguished cases in support on the
grounds that those caselaw involved ships flying the
same flags.

The Lotus principle that emerged from the case


states that a state is free to do whatever unless
expressly prohibited.

The old judgement in the Lotus case was effectively


revoked by Article 11 of the international Convention
of the High Seas 1958 restores the French position..
Only flag state vessels and nationals of the state can
have the jurisdiction to try sailors for their acts and
omissions on the high seas.

Prior to 1958, the law of the high seas was based on


customary law. Because of the unsatisfactory and
bare majority judgement in the Lotus case this was
revoked by Article 11 of the International Convention
of the Zhuhai Seas 1958, after which date it became
public international law.
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