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TG189_FrenchDiscussion_EFIS
+ In short:
- There were several reasons for the French invasion. First, there were
incidents where some French missionaries were expelled and even killed.
Second, as France was competing against other European powers for
economic and military superiority, they wanted to secure more strategic
geographic positions to promote their international trade and capitalism.
Finally, the Vietnamese leadership could not decide whether it was best
for the country to remain strictly Confucianist and isolated or to begin
modernising. These all led to Napoleon III's order for his navy to invade
VietNam in July 1857.
- Because the Vietnamese lacked the weapons and technology to
effectively resist the new western invaders, its leaders had little choice
but to sign peace treaties with France in 1862. This treaty gave control of
southern VietNam to France, which was then renamed Cochinchina.
However, it would take another 21 years before the French were able to
finally conquer northern Viet Nam. After doing so in 1883, they renamed
that region Tonkin and combined with Cochinchina and central Viet Nam
(renamed Annam), Viet Nam officially became a French colony, known
as Indochina.
● Reference:
Viet Nam -- The Lessons of Colonialism : Asian-Nation :: Asian American
History, Demographics, & Issues.
Vietnam - French Colonization, Indochina, Unification | Britannica
Chiến tranh thế giới thứ nhất – Wikipedia tiếng Việt
Đế quốc thực dân Pháp – Wikipedia tiếng Việt
French conquest of Vietnam - Wikipedia.
2. What did French Colonists do & to Vietnamese people? How did the
actions affect VN society & people? Were there any accidentally good
things that French Colonists did in Vietnam?
+ French Colonists period:
- During their colonisation of Vietnam, French colonists implemented
various policies and actions aimed at exploiting resources, establishing
control, and spreading French culture and influence.
a. Economic exploitations:
- The French imposed heavy taxes on the Vietnamese population exploited
natural resources and labour for their own benefit.
- Vietnamese labourers were often coerced into working on French-owned
plantations, mines, and infrastructure projects under harsh conditions.
- They built transportation infrastructure to serve both commercial and
military purposes
b. Commercial:
- Vietnam had to be the exclusive market for France, and was subjected to
import-export taxes. Products made in Vietnam had to be exported to
France, and Vietnam had to import surplus goods or expired products
from France for consumption or repurchase at high prices.
- France monopolised rice, salt, and alcohol in Vietnam. Vietnamese were
forced to buy alcohol according to the population, even infants and old
people, even regardless of their food availability. Vietnamese people
typically consumed alcohol with an alcohol content of about 20 degrees,
while France sold a 40-degree type with added chemicals to reduce
production costs.
c. Education & Cultural:
- Implemented foolish policies, eliminating Confucianism, which
inherently had patriotic sentiments, resisting foreign invasion, and
promoting political awareness.
- Very few schools across the country.
- They shifted Vietnamese thinking, teaching French language, culture and
history, assimilating, training henchmen, prohibiting the teaching of
Vietnamese history.
- Promoted social vices such as opium smoking, gambling, alcohol.
d. Social:
- Mobilising and coercing Vietnamese youth to fight for France in World
War I and II in Europe. Then many Vietnamese people died or could not
come back home after that.
- The French implemented policies that favoured the Vietnamese elite who
collaborated with them, leading to increased social inequality and
resentment among the general population.
- They ruthlessly suppressed any resistance or uprising against their rule,
leading to widespread suffering and death among the Vietnamese people/
+ Consequences:
- After over 80 years of colonial rule, Vietnam faced the consequences of
severe famine, illiteracy, and the ongoing threat of invasion. The quality
of intellectualism during the French colonial period was even lower than
that of the pre-colonial era. Leadership skills were not effectively
transmitted. Leaders lacked sufficient legacy, failed to preserve the past,
and cultural heritage was lost and plundered. The lack of leadership
hindered the country's development efforts. The negative consequences of
French colonisation continue to deeply affect and persist in Vietnam
today.
+ Conclusion:
- In my opinion, there weren't any accidentally good things that French
Colonists did in Vietnam. The infrastructure and architecture often
credited to them were, in fact, built with Vietnamese labour & funded by
Vietnamese resources. Furthermore, these constructions were intended to
benefit the French, not the Vietnamese people. Even if there were
accidentally good things, they hardly make up for the extensive suffering
and damage inflicted by France in Vietnam.
● Reference:
“Bản án chế độ thực dân Pháp” - 2
“French invasion of Vietnam was just a civilizing process” - a distortion
of history - National Defence Journal
Thời kỳ Pháp thuộc
+ In short:
- The People’s Republic of China, which was founded five years earlier,
now wanted to have its voice heard on the international arena. It would
use the Geneva Conference as an occasion to gain recognition from the
US and the West, they wanted to take this opportunity and tried to
compromise with the US and France as much as it could. In fact, it was
China which initiated a meeting with France on 23 June 1954 to discuss
the division of Vietnam into halves, China advised Vietnam to accept the
17th parallel as the dividing line instead of the 14th or 16th parallels. It
suggested that a general election should be held in two years in a unified
Vietnam while the DRV itself asked for a six-month waiting period.
● Reference:
HIỆP ĐỊNH GENEVE VÀ NHỮNG ÂM MƯU CHÍNH TRỊ (BẢN FULL)
| CHIẾN TRANH VIỆT NAM #23
The Geneva Conference: Lessons in terms of national interests
1954 Geneva Conference - Wikipedia
“In addition, there was an international division of labour between the two
major Communist powers, the Soviet Union and China. In the late 1940s and
early 1950s, Stalin paid attention to supporting the Communist parties in
Eastern Europe, while Mao was expected to encourage the Communist
movements in Southeast Asia. Thus in the early 1950s, the Soviet role in the
Vietnamese struggle was minimal. There's no evidence that the Soviets had
advisers in Vietnam or gave the Vietnamese materials. On the contrary, the
Chinese starting in 1950 sent political and military advisers, weapons, and
supplies to the Vietnamese to help them with their war against the French.”
- Cùng thể chế chính trị.
● Reference:
Chiến tranh Đông Dương – Wikipedia tiếng Việt
China in the Vietnam War - Wikipedia.
China Contributed Substantially to Vietnam War Victory, Claims Scholar
| Wilson Center.
+ Architecture:
- In the past, the overall area of Hoa Lo prison was up to 12.000 m2
but now it is only about 2.500 m2 preserved.
- The solidity of Hoa Lo prison is reflected in the
architecture design, the walls, and the cells.
- The biggest prison in Indochina and 1 of the three
most brutal prisons in Vietnam.
- The approved design for Hoa Lo Prison in 1896
included various facilities such as a guardhouse,
hospital, commissary, detention houses, workshop,
convict houses, and punishment cells. Hoa Lo
prison is almost unbreakable with 4-metre-high and
0.5-meter-thick stone walls reinforced with electric wires and pieces of
broken glass on top. The complex is constructed with high-quality
materials to avoid jailbreak.
- Although they are different in terms of area and functions, those
chambers have identical features: tile roofs, lacquered floors coloured in
grey. All of them are suffocating, lack light and are unsanitary.
- The security is at its max when all of the building materials and
equipment are directly imported from France. There are also watchtowers
in each corner of the prison.
*) Artefacts:
- Being notorious for various brutal stories of torturing and killing people
in a struggling period of Vietnam, the big collections of artefacts and
killing tools exhibiting at Hoa Lo prison are the best representatives
of crimes against humanity. Prisoners contracted diseases such as
beriberi, typhoid, dysentery, malaria, etc., or were unable to cope with
their illnesses, most of them died before their prison terms expired.
a. The guillotine (Máy chém):
- This killing tool was considered by the French “more humane” than other
execution methods used in the Middle Ages (hanging and cutting off
different parts of the body, using horses to tear the body apart, etc).
- The most famous and cruel one is the Medieval guillotine. There are 3
parts of the machine which are a wooden surface, a cutting steel frame
and a big, and sharp crossed blade. During the execution of a prisoner, the
executioner shall press the button and pull the rope so that the blade
sharply drops down from height. The falling force of the guillotine blade
is equivalent to 60kg. After completion of the execution, the head
prisoner shall fall into the sheet metal tank, and the body shall be placed
in a rattan basket.
- Usually, after executing capital punishment of a prisoner, the colonial
authorities often put the prisoner’s head in a muzzle and brought it to a
crowded area to display to the public.. The guillotine made Hoa Lo prison
1 of the 10 most notorious prisons in the world.
b. The Dungeon/ Cachot (Ngục tối):
- The scariest place of Hoa Lo prison – the Cachot
is applied for those who violate the prison disciplines.
They were isolated and shackled all day. rooms were
dark, narrow and stuffy and lacking oxygen. They’ve to
eat, sleep and urinate in the same place. Those
detainees are given food with mould and even maggots.
Many of them died of infection, insanitation along with
lack of light and oxygen.
c. The iron shackle (Còng sắt):
- The shackle is to keep the prisoners immovable. They are fettered to the
floor most of the time and beaten by the
guards.
- The leg shackle consists of 2 main
components: the iron upper part and the
wooden lower one. To escape from the
chamber, jailbreakers often used
lard-soaked rags (giẻ tẩm mỡ lợn) and burned coal to loosen the shackles.
To avoid detection by supervisors, after burning, the holes were covered
by putting lamp soot mixed with oil in it.
● Reference:
Exploring the “Hell on Earth” – Hoa Lo Prison in Hanoi | Lux Travel
DMC's Blog
Hỏa Lò Prison - Wikipedia
Giới thiệu nhà tù Hỏa Lò
The POW Story.
Imprisoned Regulations Political Prison - Hoa Lo Prison relic
● Reference:
Treatment of American Prisoners of War In Southeast Asia 1961-1973
Inside The Hanoi Hilton, North Vietnam's Torture Chamber For
American POWs.
“After the 1954 Geneva Conference, Vietnam gained independence from France but was
divided into two parts: North Vietnam, and South Vietnam which assumed financial and
military support from the U.S. South Vietnam was very important to the U.S. in Asia with it
being perceived as a western democratic state. And according to the Geneva Agreement,
Vietnam would schedule to hold nationwide elections in 1956. However, under the influence
of the United States, from 1956 to 1958, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam proposed that
the National Vietnam government conduct unified elections for the country, but this was
rejected. In 1955, with the assistance of the United States, Ngo Dinh Diem rigged the
referendum in South Vietnam, allowing him to depose Bao Dai, ascend to the position of Head
of State of the State of Vietnam, and later become the President of the Republic of Vietnam
government. At that time, the United States had achieved its objectives in Vietnam. They
believed that if they provided enough support to the new government, the Soviet Union and
China, or communism, would not be able to expand further in Southeast Asia.”
+ Why:
- The Fear of Communism
“Due to Cold War tensions with Communist countries such as China and the Soviet Union.
The prevalent threat of Communism drove President Truman and his advisers to intervene in
Vietnam. And from about 1950 (actually 1947), the U.S. started to supply France in the
Indochina War.”
+ How long:
- The US got involved in the Vietnam War in the period 1948 – 1975.
“In the post-war era, Americans struggled to absorb the lessons of military intervention.
General Maxwell Taylor, one of the principal architects of the war, noted: “First, we didn't
know ourselves. We thought that we were going into another Korean War, but this was a
different country. Secondly, we didn't know our South Vietnamese allies ... And we knew less
about North Vietnam. Who was Ho Chi Minh? Nobody really knew. So, until we know the
enemy and know our allies and know ourselves, we'd better keep out of this kind of dirty
business. It's very dangerous.”
● Reference:
United States in the Vietnam War - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
Lịch sử Việt Nam – Wikipedia tiếng Việt
● Reference:
Who Were the Viet Cong and How Did They Affect the War?
3. What countries supported Vietnam during the struggle against the US?
- Despite not being able to match the United States in terms of quantity,
Vietnam received significant material support (about 7 billion USD) from
the Soviet Union, China, and other Socialist countries like Lao (Pathet
Lao), Campuchia (Khmer Rouge) and North Korea.
● Reference:
Vietnam War - Wikipedia
4. After the event of “the fall of Saigon”, to which countries did Vietnamese
boating people and refugees go? Who left VN then, and Why did they
leave Vietnam?
- After the end of the Vietnam War, there were two major waves of
migration from Vietnam.
- The first one was to the United States and Western countries. Over
125,000 Vietnamese people arrived in the United States in late spring
1975 due to fears of reprisal from the new government, partly under the
wrong propaganda. Additionally, about 20,000 people went to Europe and
other Asian countries such as Cambodia and Thailand, etc.
- The second migration wave that began in 1977 lasted until the mid-1980s,
primarily involving ethnic Chinese people due to fears of border
conflicts, economic difficulties in Vietnam, and external information.
● Reference:
Fall of Saigon - Wikipedia
Operation Frequent Wind - Wikipedia
● Reference:
Vietnam War - Wikipedia
● Reference:
Vietnam under Chinese rule - Wikipedia
2. Make the introduction of the following people, emphasise their
achievements: Tran Hung Dao/Quang Trung/Ly Thuong Kiet/Ngo Quyen?
- These are 4 of the 14 most typical heroes in Vietnamese history
a. Ngo Quyen:
- A revered figure, who had a pivotal victory over the Chinese Southern
Han forces in the Battle of Bach Dang River in 938. By ingeniously
trapping the enemy fleet with iron-tipped stakes hidden beneath the
water's surface, Ngo Quyen’s decisive triumph marked the end of a
millennium of Chinese domination in Vietnam. His leadership and
strategic brilliance paved the way for Vietnam's independence and
inspired future generations of Vietnamese patriots.
b. Lý Thường Kiệt:
- He was a Vietnamese general and admiral. He served as an official
through the reign of 3 kings under the Ly dynasty and was a general
during the Song, Tống–Lý War. He helped invade Champa (1069), raid
the three Song dynasty provinces of Yongzhou, Qinzhou, Lianzhou
(1075-1076), (Ung Châu, Khâm Châu, Liên Châu) and defeat the Song
invasion of Vietnam.
c. Trần Hưng Đạo:
- An eminent Vietnamese military strategist and leader, rose to prominence
for his remarkable victories against the Mongol invaders during the 13th
century.
d. Quang Trung/ Nguyen Hue:
- A prominent military politician in Vietnamese history. He and his two
brothers were the leader of the Tay Son uprising, ending the Trinh -
Nguyen War, overthrowing the Hau Le Dynasty, ending the situation of
distinguishing Dang Trong - Dang Ngoai throughout 2 centuries. He also
defeated Thailand invasion from the South, and China from the North. He
himself has been fighting since 18, and for 20 years, there have been
dozens of big battles, and hasn’t lost a battle.
● Reference:
● Reference:
Chiến tranh Nguyên Mông – Đại Việt lần 1 – Wikipedia tiếng Việt
5. What was the latest official war between Vietnam and China (border war
1979)? What were the reasons for the war?
- The Border War (Sino -Vietnamese War) was a short but intense conflict
that occurred in early 1979 between China and Vietnam.
- The war stemmed from prolonged tensions between the two countries.
+ Specifically:
- China disagreed with the approach to conducting the war with the United
States in South Vietnam. After its victory, Vietnam sought direct
negotiations with the United States, bypassing the need for any
intermediary country.
- In 1974, China sent soldiers to occupy the Pattle Island (administered by
the Republic of Vietnam) with the tacit /ˈtæs.ɪt/ approval of the United
States.
- In 1975, China did not compromise on the Pattle Island issue. Vietnam
rejected China's proposal to join the anti-Soviet alliance. China began to
describe Vietnam as "ungrateful" and "arrogant."
- China then significantly decreased aid to Vietnam, and by 1978, it was
completely cut off.
● Reference:
Chiến tranh biên giới Việt–Trung 1979 – Wikipedia tiếng Việt
6. How is the relationship between Vietnam and China nowadays?
- The relationship between both countries should be described as “ close
enough but not to see as friends and far enough but not to see as enemies.
It makes me think about parallel straight lines. The relationship between
Vietnam and China has two parallel straight lines and never meet each
other at one point even though they are very close.
● Reference:
What do you think of the relationship between China and Vietnam? -
Quora