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Transcript HonChristopherPyneMP ABC774JonFaine 30January2012

SUBJECTS:AFPinquiryintoAustraliadayriot E&OE JonFaine:Whatwouldaninquiryachieve? ChristopherPyne:Welltheinquirywouldachieveanumberofthings.Firstly,itshouldtestthe processesandproceduresoftheAustralianFederalPolicethatday. Faine:Doyouthinktheywerelacking? Pyne:WellifIcouldjustfinish.Theyneedtobereviewedastheyshouldalwaysbereviewedwhen theressuchaserioussecuritybreach.Obviouslythiswasthemostsignificantbreachofsecurityofa PrimeMinistersincetheFraserGovernment. Faine:Wasit? Pyne:Wellobviouslyitwas.ImeanttherehasntbeenasituationwhereanyPrimeMinisterhas beendraggedinaheadlockalongapath,downstairs,losingtheirshoeandpushedintothebackof aComCarinthehistoryofthefederation. Faine:Itseemsfromthedistanceofthecomfortofmycouchwatchingtelevision,itseemed completelyunnecessary,unwarrantedandanoverreactiontothesituationathand. Pyne:Wellthenyouwouldprobablyagreethatthereshouldbesomekindofreviewofthe processesandproceduresoftheAFP.LetalonewhatwasgoingoninthePrimeMinistersofficeand therolethePrimeMinistersofficeplayedinwhatwasclearlyanaffray.Thatisanotherthingthat needstobeenquiredinto.ExactlywhoelsedidknowinthePrimeMinistersofficetheactionsthat weretakenbyonemediaadvisor?IsitreallybelievablethattherewerethreeotherGillardstaffers attheLobbyrestaurantatthattimeandonemediaadvisor,recentlyappointed,decidedtotakeit uponhimselftopassoninformationtoACTUnionstogettothetentprotestorswhichthenledto thisextraordinaryuglyincidentonAustraliaDay.Theotherthingthatneedstobeenquiredintois whyisitthattherewasanaffrayiftheLeaderoftheOppositionscommentshadbeenpassedon verbatim.Theyweresoutterlybenignitbeggarsbelieftheycouldhaveledtoanykindofriotatall.

Faine:Severalthings.Firstofall,Ithinktocallitariotisabsurd.Gillardsofficewereengagingin thesamesortofdirtytrickspoliticsthatforinstanceyou,yourcolleaguesandallotherpoliticians engageintotryanddiscredittheiropponentsallthetime.IremindyouofGodwinGrechandall thataffairand,ifanything,seemstobeamediaandpoliticalbeatupofextraordinaryproportions utterlyundeservingofseriousconsiderationwhilethenationhasmuchbiggerthingstotalkabout. Pyne:WellJohnthatisaperfectlyvalidopinionwhichyourequiteentitledtoput.Myviewisthat thisisthemostserioussecuritybreachofanAustralianPrimeMinisterandLeaderofthe Opposition.ThePrimeMinistersofficewasdirectlyinvolvedinthecircumstanceswhichleadtoit. Thereisaclaimandcounterclaimofwhosaidwhattowhomandwhyandwhen.Itsnotclearfrom thePrimeMinisterspressconferencesthatshehasahandleonwhatisgoingoninheroffice. ApparentlyonThursdayafternoonthestaffmemberconcernedtoldtheotherstaffinthePrime MinistersofficeandnoonethoughtotellheruntilthestorywasbrokenonFridaymorningbyRay Hadleyandthenittookafurthereighthoursforthattobeannouncedcoincidentlyafterthemedia cycleforthedayhadfinished.AndfinallytherewereotherofficersfromthePrimeMinistersmedia unitinthepressgalleryonThursdayafternoonsayingthatTonyAbbotthadbeenresponsiblefora riotattheLobbyrestaurant.Allofthesethingsneedtobeproperlytestedanduntiltheyareitsvery hardforthePrimeMinistertomoveonfromwhatsbeenaverygrubbyepisode. Faine:Wellyoudontcallaninquiryintoexaggerationandconflagrationdoyou?Imeantherehas tobesomethingthatactuallyhappenedandallthathappenedherewasthatJuliaGillardtrippedon thestairs,lostashoeandthecamerascapturedinfortheworldsmedia. Pyne:WelltherewasthehumiliationofthePrimeMinisterthatstrue. Faine:WellthatdoesnttriggeraninquirydoesitChristopherPyne? Pyne:ItreflectsverybadlyonAustraliainternationallyanddomestically.ImeanIdontthink anybodywhohasseenthatfootagecouldthinkthatthathadbeenanythinglessthanavery unpleasantriotoraffrayandtheircertainlywasariot. Faine:Wecantkeepsayingriot.RiotiswhathappenedinLondon,riotiswhatshappeningwhen peopleburncarsinthestreetsofParisfromtimetotime,riotiswhathappensinthatwasnota riotChristopherPyne.Itsabsurdtocallthatariot. Pyne:WellJontherewaspropertydamage,therewasassault,therewasbattery,therewas threatening. Faine:Peoplebangingonawindow.Itsnotariot. Pyne:Wellitsperfectlyfineforyoutodownplayit,thatsabsolutelyfine.Ijusthaveadifferent viewtoyouaboutthatandIthinkalotofAustraliansdo. Faine:OhcallitaRevolution!Letsgowholehog.CallitaRevolution! Pyne:Ithinktherearedifferentdegreesforaffray.Andthisaffraywascertainlyaveryuglyoneand theonlywayofgettingtothebottomofhowitcameaboutandwhowasresponsibleforit 2

Faine:Howmanypeoplewenttohospital? Pyne:Wellfortunatelynone. Faine:Howmuchpropertywasdestroyed? Pyne:WellthatremainstobeseenandImsuretheLobbyrestaurantwillbemakingtheirclaimsin accordance Faine:Forgoodnesssake.Thisisjustridiculous.Thewholethinghastakenonalmostcomic proportions. Pyne:WellIdontagreewithyouandIthinkmostAustralianshaveadifferentview.Ithinkthey thinktheywanttohavetwoanswers.TheywanttoknowwhyitwasthatthePrimeMinistersoffice wasinvolvedininstigatingthisincident. Faine:Becauseyouguysplaydirtytricksoneachotherallthetimeandheresomeonegotcaught. Pyne:AndwhyisitthatthePrimeMinisterhasntgotahandleonwhatisgoingoninheroffice.In Australianpolitics Faine:Hopefullyshesrunningthecountryratherthanfindingoutwhatajuniorpresssecretarysaid tosomeoneonaphone. Pyne:Wellthatsthewholepoint,John.Icouldntagreewithyoumore.IwishthePrimeMinisters officewasobsessingaboutrunningthecountry,aboutjobsecurityandaboutborderprotectionand aboutcostoflivingratherthanobsessingaboutdirtytricksandgrubbydealsandtryingtodestroy theLeaderoftheOpposition.Youcouldntbemoreright. Faine:IunderstandonWednesdayTonyAbbottwillbeaddressingtheNationalPressClubandwhat littlemailIvehadaboutwhathesgoingtosayisthathellhittheresetbuttonandtryandswing overfromDoctorNotoalternativePrimeMinister.Hereismyvisionforthefutureofthecountry. IsthatwhatsgoingtohappenWednesday? Pyne:WellIhaventseentheLeaderoftheOppositionsspeech.IthinkitsTuesdaybutIcouldwell bewrong.ImgoingtobetheresoIbetterworkthatoutbeforeIleaveAdelaideIsuppose.But obviouslywehaveawholesuiteofpoliciesthathavestillbeeninplacesincethelastelectionand TonyAbbottImsurewillbecontinuingashehasoverthelasttwelvemonthstogiveserious speechesaboutthechallengesthatfaceAustraliabecausewedoneedatleastonepoliticalparty whoisobsessedabouttheconcernsofAustraliansonadaytodaybasisratherthanjustpolitical survival. Faine:IunderstandthatthisyearhellbeflickingtheswitchtobeingcrediblealternativePrime MinisterratherthancriticandsomeonededicatedtodestroyingthecredibilityofJuliaGillardwhich wasprettymuchlastyearsagenda.

Pyne:WellIthinkouragendaisalwaystopresentanalternativegovernmentbutwerealsofaced withprospectinthishungparliamentthattheGovernmentkeepsgivingtheOppositionsomany reasonstobecriticaloftheirperformance. Faine:Muchtodiscussoverthedaysandweekstocome.Imindebtedtoyou.Thankyouforyour time. Pyne:Pleasure. ENDS

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