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Talk Outline Good Goats Jan 9
Talk Outline Good Goats Jan 9
Talk Outline Good Goats Jan 9
>God was a family member family member, much admired by mum and dad, who described his as very loving, a great friend of a family, very powerful and interested in all of us. > We visited him >he has a formidable mansion, bearded, gruff and threatening. > We cannot share these admirations >Uncle George told us in the end of our visit > I want to see you here every week if you dont this would happen to you >we went down to the basement >as we descent, the atmosphere became hotter and hotter and screams are getting louder and louder >we came upon a steel door and opened it >"now look here dear" as the nightmarish vision bestowed upon our eyes, people in blazing fire, little demos in attendance who would hurl anyone who would not behave in ways he approve >"if you dont visit me dear this would certainly happen to you >we went upstairs to meet up with mom and dad >" dont you love Good Uncle George with all your mind and strength?" said mom >all we can do is say yes as we were is still clenching in fear >at the tender age, we were told to love Good Uncle George and follow him in ways that pleases him >we were taught to love him out of fear in punishment
Why we were not healed? >because the God we know is self-righteous, who would throw anyone who wont follow him to hell
>we almost always see the mistake of others but ourselves
>Then someone told her to close her eyes and imagine her son in the big judgment room with God sitting in his big judgment throne
>God stepped out of his throne, approached her son and held them then began crying together
What about vengeful punishment in the scriptures? Mat 25:29 "if your right eye is a temptation, it would be better to pluck it out that to have God throw you into the fires of hell" -this kind of passage made God a child abuser than a loving father, much like Good Old Uncle George >There were kids at the back of the car who were so loud, then the parents threaten them by saying "if you kids dont be quiet then ill tie you to the roof of the car" >if you tie your children in the roof of the car then it would be a vengeful punishment, but those are only a form of hyperbole (exaggeration) and should not be taken literally
>people who uses those kind of language really loves us and would never carry out the punishment >so the passage would have meant "it is important not to misuse your sight through lust so we both can enjoy the beauty of creation together" > but what if God, like those parents in the story carried out the punishment, the police might have arrested them and sent them to the mental hospital so they couldnt do more harm to others >God does not focus on punishment to correct people but through love
Jesus Response to Vengeful Punishment >Changing our views about God as a punisher to a lover is the core of Jesus' ministry
>Jesus tried to heal people especially sinners even during Sabbath >but the priests, scribes and Pharisees would forbid Him to do that because they take the bible literally >remember the story about the adulterous woman who was about to get stoned to death? (Jn 8:5) >the Scribes and Pharisees took the Law of Moses literally and justify their action with that >But Jesus tried to stop them >if Jesus took that literally, them Jesus would have joined the mob in stoning that woman to death
Reading the Vengeful Punishment literally would drive us crazy >there was this person who was admitted to the mental hospital because he tried to gouge his right
eye, he face was covered with bandage >he took the passage literally (mat 5:29) >but person isnt crazy as he seems, he seems crazy by taking the first part literally, but we would be even more crazy of we believe the second line in the passage that God would surely send us to hell >it is because when we were children, our parents taught us that we should behave or God would send us to hell
God's Twenty-Thousand-Year-Pout
>teaching of St. Anslem (1033-1109) entitled Redemptive Intimacy >it goes something like this >Adam and Eve sinned; God got pretty damn sore, goes into a 10,000 year pout, slams the gates of heaven and throws the scoundrels out. so he's up there pouting and about 5,000 years go by and the Son comes up and gives him the elbow and says; "Hey dad, now is the time to forgive the people down there" but God said "No, i dont like them, they offended my divine majesty, they stay out ,let's make another galaxy instead!" 5000 more years go by and the Son comes up and says: "Aw come on Dad, let's forgive them! look, i tell you what Im going to do, if you will love them again, Ill go down
there and become one of them, then you'll have to love them because Im one of them." God look at the Son and says: "Dont bank on it. that doesnt turn me on too much at all" the Son replies, "all right, God- Father, Ill tell you what Im going to do, I'll raise the ante, I'll make you an offer you cant refuse! Ill not only go down there and become one of them, I'll suffer for them, real blood- you know how that turns you on, Dad! How about it?" and God says: now you're talking. But it has to be real torture and real blood- no God tricks you understand? Youve got to really suffer. And if you'll do that then I'll forgive them. But if they stray off the straight and narrow just that much-ZAP-I'm going to send them to hell so fast their heads will swim." And that is what we have been calling "the Good News" of the Gospel.
Does God Send Anyone to hell? > God does not send anyone to hell but rather people choses to go to hell
> But it does not mean that a person whose down there are down there forever >Hell as described by C.S Lewis is a dark small and enclosed room locked from the inside. >But what happens if we die as a sinner? >God is an expert of opening hearts >Jesus for example did thousands of miracles in three years time >Just like what happened to Paul who was rejected Jesus, people would experience an eternity of God's love and forgiveness. And God would never get tired of loving and forgiving sinners (1 Cor.13) >It is because God's essence is love ( 1 jn 4:16) >Love heals
>Jesus visits people every Holy Saturday; this signifies Jesus's utter solidarity with sinners >Jesus identifies himself as one of them (sinners) up to the point of dying on the cross along with two criminals (like one of them) >As Jesus cried "My God! My God! Why have you abandoned me?" Just like us, Jesus experienced hell and absence of God during his time on the cross. >Hell is our choice to close our hearts to God so it means that hell is a place that God cant go, but Jesus still go there anyway because He refuses to accept that we chose to reject God's love and still expresses God's adamant unwillingness to leave us in our worst self >Loving friends would not leave a suicidal person to his/her worst self. They would do everything to enter his/her hell and tries to intervene to stop that person taking his own life. It is the same with Jesus; he refuses to accept our own choice to destruction > it happens during the Holy Saturday when Jesus would come down to hell and tries to renew us then rise with him in Easter
>in order to do that, we must learn more about God the Mother >RAHANIM (tender compassion coming from the motherly side of God" It comes from the root Hebrew word rehem meaning womb Isaiah 49:15 Can a mother forget about her infant, or be without tenderness for the child of her womb? Even if she should forget you, I will never forget you" (unconditional love) These things are never been filtered by our heads, it has nothing to do with decisions or merit. Just like ay mother, she cant help it but to love her child, just like God >God as we know Him is the almighty, Lord of Lord and Kings of Kings, He is unreachable and oh so powerful, but this perception changes things, God is with us, immanent in our lives. >God loves me for who i am and never tried to fix me >Dont focus on the Father side of God >As long as we focus on our masculinity, we tend to devalue feelings; do not trust our inner life and ourselves.
>there was a man named Bill Wilson, co-founder of alcoholic anonymous. He was a chronic alcoholic and an outcast in the society due to his awkward behavior. when he first drank his bottle of alcohol, he felt the sudden surge of happiness, as if he belonged into something, then he tried to drink again, attempting to relive the feeling he felt before, at the age of 39, and at the verge of being institutionalized, he cried to God for help, then his room became light and filled with a veritable sea of living spirit". He felt the same feeling he felt after his first drink. For the first time i really feel that i belonged" he said. He started drinking because it is his only way of feeling that he belonged but as soon as he found another way to feel belonged, he stopped drinking, through this conversion he experience a loving accepting God. >the way out of addiction is to find a better way to belong >If we have a God who is vengeful and decides who doesnt belong, then chances are we can become addicted person >Dr. Robert Stuckey find out that people who believes in a Fearful and punishing God has lower recovery rate than those who have no religious training
>taking in the smile of someone who loves us is such a simple thing. Yet, it can be someone of the most healing things in life. A friend's smile can heal us if we know that God loves us, just for a start, at least as much as the person who loves us the most.