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TH4259 Talent Identification and Development SSSS 2023

Oct 11, 2023
Advanced Stages of Talent
Recognition
OLEKSANDR KRASILSHCHIKOV
PROFESSOR, FACULTY OF SPORTS SCIENCE & RECREATION, UNIVERSITI TEKNOLOGI MARA
MALAYSIA
ELMS HIGH PERFORMANCE SPORTS CONSULTANT,
INDIA
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Outline
 Advanced Stages of Talent Recognition.

 Talent Confirmation (TCO) and Talent
Orientation (TOR).
 Talent Selection (TSE) and its connection to
TID.
TH4259 Talent Identification and Development SSSS 2023 Oct 11, 2023
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Talent Recognition THE HIERARCHY
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Suggested Talent Recognition Model
TDE TID TCO TOR TSE

• Talent Detection • Talent • Talent • Talent • Talent Selection
Identification Confirmation Orientation
Krasilshchikov O., 2010
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Structure of Talent Identification
Selection to the:
Camp
Squad
Team
Screening
Talent Detection

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Talent Identification FIRST THINGS FIRST
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Objectives of Talent Identification (TID)
 Main task of TID is to identify healthy children without morphological, functional

or physical disorders, gifted in motor abilities and able to improve in skills in the
field of sports.
 Accordingly, the preference is typically given to the assessment of motor qualities.
 Second preference is given to skill assessment but only in the way of very simple
tests, reflecting the abilities of children to perform some basic (fundamental) skills
required to further master the sports skills critical for the chosen sport.
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Objectives of Talent Identification (TID)
 No specific skill tests should be used, as children are not supposed to possess any
specific skills, as they are not yet trained in the sport chosen.
 The ratio between general and specific tests is usually expressed as 70:30.
 On completion of the TID children proceed to POST-IDENTIFICATION talent
development (TRAINING)
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What are we YOUNG AGE ENROLLMENT

GROUP)
exactly looking for?
Reminder: Age of Enrollment 10
Options
Age of the beginning of training in various sports
INITIATION I (age) INITIATION II (age) INITIATION III (age)
7 years 8 years 9 years 10 years 11 years 12 years 13 years 14 years 15 years
GYM R TEN SWIM FBALL ATHL FEN BOX KAY EQUE
GYM A TT HOCK CYCL  WRES ROW 
ACR SQ  VBALL ARCH  JUDO CAN PENTA

BASK
DIV WU BADM SHO 
HBALL 
WPOL   WL
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Dissecting according to the age of enrollment
(young age initiation sports)
Age of the beginning of training  What are we looking for in Group A?
 Very specific body proportions
Group A Group B Group C
 Flexibility (more of passive and less of
7 yrs 8 yrs 9 yrs active)
 Dynamic and static strength
GYM R TEN SWIM
 Power
GYM A TT
 Exterior (appearance)
ACR SQU/BDM
DIV WUSHU
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Age of the beginning of training  What are we looking for in Group B?
 Agility
 Speed
7 yrs 8 yrs 9 yrs  Endurance
GYM R TEN SWIM  Reflexes
GYM A TT
ACR SQU/BDM
DIV WUSHU
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Age of the beginning of training  What are we looking for in Group C?
 Specific body proportions
 Buoyancy
7 yrs 8 yrs 9 yrs  Gliding ability
GYM R TEN SWIM  Flexibility
 Power
GYM A TT
ACR SQU/BDM
DIV WUSHU
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What are we STANDARD AGE

ENROLLMENT GROUP)
Options

BASK
DIV WU BADM SHO 
HBALL 
WPOL   WL
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(standard age initiation sports)
Age of the beginning of training  What are we looking for in Group A?
Group A Group B Group C  Anthropometry
10 yr 11 yrs 12 yrs  Speed
FBALL ATHL FEN  Agility
 Endurance
BADM CYCL SHO
 Power
HOCK ARCH
 Game intelligence
VBALL
BASK
HBALL 
WPOL  
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Age of the beginning of training
 What are we looking for in Group B?
Group A Group B Group C  One particular or a combination of motor qualities
10 yr 11 yrs 12 yrs (Athletics)
 Speed, Endurance, Power
FBALL ATHL FEN
 Anthropometry (specific for Athletics discipline)
BADM CYCL SHO  Weight, Arms span, Height, Leg Length, COG
elevation
HOCK ARCH
 Balance & Equilibrium (Archery)
VBALL
 Focus & Concentration (Archery)
BASK
 Power (Cycling)
HBALL 
 Endurance (Cycling)
WPOL  
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 What are we looking for in Group C?
 Reflexes (reaction time, anticipation)
10 yr 11 yrs 12 yrs  Quickness
FBALL ATHL FEN  Agility
BADM CYCL SHO  Power
 Decision making
HOCK ARCH
VBALL
BASK
HBALL 
WPOL  
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What are we LATE AGE ENROLLMENT

GROUP)
Options

BASK
DIV WU BADM SHO 
HBALL 
WPOL   WL
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(late age initiation sports)

 What are we looking for in Group A?
 Fearlessness/Aggression
13 yrs 14 yrs 15 yrs
 Reflexes
BOX KAY EQUE
 Agility
WRES ROW 
 Power
JUDO CAN PENTA
 Endurance
Group D
WL
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 What are we looking for in Group B?
 Endurance
 Strength
BOX KAY EQUE
 Willpower
WRES ROW   Anthropometry (Height, Arms span, sitting
JUDO CAN PENTA height)
Group D
WL
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Group A Group B Group C  What are we looking for in Group C?

 EQUESTRIAN and PENTATHLON – one or two high
scoring sports from previous specialization
BOX KAY EQUE  We are talking athletes who were weeded out or quit
from their previously chosen sports (E.G., athletics,
WRES ROW  swimming etc.)
JUDO CAN PENTA
Group D
WL
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Group A Group B Group C  What are we looking for in Group D?

 Power
 Flexibility
BOX KAY EQUE
 Body proportions (Arms span, COG elevation)
WRES ROW 
JUDO CAN PENTA
Group D
WL
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Advanced Stages TALENT

CONFIRMATION
of Talent
Recognition
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Reminder: Talent Recognition Model
TDE TID TCO TOR TSE

• Talent • Talent • Talent • Talent • Talent
Detection Identification Confirmation Orientation Selection
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Talent Confirmation
 The next stage of Talent Recognition could be termed as Talent Confirmation

(TCo).
 Often termed as Intermediate Selection in East European models of TID and Talent
Development, it practically has Talent Placement for the objective.
 The major question to answer is whether the potential of Talent Identified child is
sufficient to reach Junior National level (no limiting factors in health, motor
qualities, skills, psychological sphere etc.).
 Time frame wise, Talent Confirmation may occur after 1-2 years of training, post
Talent Identification.
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Talent Confirmation
 In Western Models it sounds as directing athletes to the sports in which they are likely
to succeed and pointing out inherent limitations in their capacity (Woodman, L., 1985).
 Tests for this phase must be both general and specific. In addition to the TID general
tests battery, specific tests reflecting new skills learned through training must certainly
be added.
 Among other critically important markers at Talent Confirmation are:
 Rate of Progression of certain qualities
 Trainability (or coachability) reflecting the responsiveness of the athlete to the training
and competitive loads
 Motor Learning efficiency
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Logic of the Assessment Progression
TID
• Motor qualities in BASIC manifestation
TCO
• Motor qualities in relation to SPORT
SPECIFIC Manifestations
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Broad outlook at the age of Talent
Confirmation
Age of the Talent Confirmation in various sports
Confirmation I Confirmation II Confirmation III
9 yrs 10 yrs 11 yrs 12 yrs 13 yrs 14 yrs 15 yrs 16 yrs 17 yrs

BASK
DIV WU BADM SHO 
HBALL 
WPOL   WL
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What are we
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Why is that?
 At TID children ARE NOT

TID SUPPOSED to know much of specific
• Motor qualities in skills, they aren’t trained for that YET
BASIC manifestation
 At TCO they are already trained to
some extent in the sports of choice,
hence, can be tested SPECIFICALLY
TCO
• Motor qualities in
relation to SPORT
SPECIFIC
Manifestations
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Talent Confirmation Options (young age
initiation sports)
 What are we to confirm in Group A?
Age at Talent Confirmation Stage  Maintenance of body composition
 Flexibility (both passive and active)
 Dynamic and static strength
9 yrs 10 yrs 11 yrs  Power
GYM R TEN SWIM  What are we to check in Group A?
GYM A TT  Trainability
 Rate of improvement
ACR SQ 
 Learning efficiency
DIV WU
 What are the “extra considerations” in Group A?
 Motor Memory
 Psychological stability & motivation
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initiation sports)
 What are we to confirm in Group B?
Age at Talent Confirmation Stage  Agility (more on specific terms)
 Speed
Group A Group B Group C  Endurance
 Reflexes
9 yrs 10 yrs 11 yrs
 What are we to check in Group B?
GYM R TEN SWIM
 Trainability
GYM A TT  Rate of improvement
ACR SQ 
 What are the “extra considerations” in Group B?
DIV WU
 Game Intelligence
 Tactical advancements
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initiation sports)
Age at Talent Confirmation Stage  What are we to confirm in Group C?
 Maintenance of body proportions/composition
Group A Group B Group C  Flexibility
9 yrs 10 yrs 11 yrs  Power
GYM R TEN SWIM  What are we to check in Group C?
GYM A TT  Trainability
ACR SQ 
DIV WU  What are the “extra considerations” in Group C?
 Functional capacities
 Fitness structure and predispositions
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What are we STANDARD AGE INITIATION

GROUP
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Talent Confirmation Options(standard age
initiation sports)
Age at Talent Confirmation Stage  What are we to confirm in Group A?
 Anthropometry improvements
 Speed
12 yrs 13 yrs 14 yrs  Agility
 Power
FBALL ATHL FEN
 What are we to check in Group A?
HOCK CYCL   Trainability
VBALL ARCH   Rate of improvement
BASK  Learning efficiency
BADM SHO  What are the “extra considerations” in Group A?
HBALL   Game Intelligence
WPOL    Psychological stability & motivation
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initiation sports)
Age at Talent Confirmation Stage
 What are we to confirm in Group B?
 Speed
 Strength
 Power/Endurance
FBALL ATHL FEN  What are we to check in Group B?
HOCK CYCL   Trainability
VBALL ARCH 
BASK  Learning efficiency
BADM SHO  What are the “extra considerations” in Group B?
HBALL   Functional capacities
WPOL    Psychological stability & motivation
TH4259 Talent Identification and Development SSSS 2023  Body proportions Oct 11, 2023
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initiation sports)
Age at Talent Confirmation Stage
 What are we to confirm in Group C?
 Reflexes
 Speed (specific)
12 yrs 13 yrs 14 yrs  Agility (specific)
 Power (specific)
FBALL ATHL FEN
 What are we to check in Group C?
HOCK CYCL 
VBALL ARCH   Trainability
BASK  Rate of improvement
BADM SHO
 What are the “extra considerations” in Group C?
HBALL   Psychological mobility & motivation
WPOL    Emotional control/release
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What are we LATE AGE INITIATION GROUP

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Talent Confirmation Options(late age initiation
sports)
Age at Talent Confirmation Stage  What are we to confirm in Group A?
 Reflexes (specific)
 Power
 What are we to check in Group A?
BOX KAY EQUE  Trainability
WRES ROW   Rate of improvement
JUDO CAN PENTA  Learning efficiency
  What are the “extra considerations” in Group A?
 Fighting Intelligence
Group D
 Aggression
WL
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sports)
Age at Talent Confirmation Stage  What are we to confirm in Group B?
Group A Group B Group C  Endurance
15 yrs 16 yrs 17 yrs  Strength
BOX KAY EQUE  Power
WRES ROW   What are we to check in Group B?
JUDO CAN PENTA  Trainability
  Rate of improvement
Group D  What are the “extra considerations” in Group B?
WL
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sports)
Age at Talent Confirmation Stage  What are we to confirm in Group C?
Group A Group B Group C  Speed
 Power
 What are we to check in Group C?
BOX KAY EQUE
 Trainability
WRES ROW 
JUDO CAN PENTA

 What are the “extra considerations” in Group C?
Group D
WL
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sports)
Age at Talent Confirmation Stage  What are we to confirm in Group D?
Group A Group B Group C  Power

 Body proportions
BOX KAY EQUE

 What are we to check in Group D?
 Trainability
WRES ROW 
JUDO CAN PENTA

 What are the “extra considerations” in Group D?
Group D
WL
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Additional inputs
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Inheritance of major morpho-functional parameters
Feature Heredity level

Body length, upper & lower limbs’ length High
Trunk length, upper arm and forearm length High
Shoulders & pelvis width Significant
Neck, upper arm, forearm, hip & ankle girth Medium
Body mass Significant
FT & ST fibers ratio High
Anaerobic capacity Significant
Aerobic capacity Significant
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Inheritance of main motor qualities
Parameter Heredity level

Simple reaction time High
Single movement time Significant
Max Static Strength Significant
Max Dynamic Strength Medium
Power Significant
Coordination Medium
Flexibility Significant
Local muscular endurance Significant
Total muscular endurance High
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Initial level of abilities & Rate of improvement
Combination of Factors Abilities
High Initial Level + High Rate of Improvement Very High
High Initial Level + Average Rate of Improvement High
Average Initial Level + High Rate of Improvement High
High Initial Level + Low Rate of Improvement Average
Average Initial Level + Average Rate of Improvement Average
Low Initial Level + High Rate of Improvement Average
Average Initial Level + Low Rate of Improvement Low
Low Initial Level + Average Rate of Improvement Low
Low Initial Level + Low Rate of Improvement Very Low
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ORIENTATION
of Talent
Recognition
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TDE TID TCO TOR TSE

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Talent Orientation
 Next phase of Talent Recognition can be termed as Talent Orientation (TOr).

 After three to five years of training there are still issues unaddressed by traditional
model of Talent Identification and Development.
 First issue: which event or game role/position within chosen sport is to be identified
for further specialized training?
 Examples being in Swimming – the style (Freestyle, Butterfly, Back Stroke,
Breaststroke) and the event; in Athletics – the Event (Discus, Shot, Javelin, Hammer
within the Discipline; in Cycling – Road or Track
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Anthropometry Football position wise
Age and anthropometric parameters of football players in
Euro'96
200 186.6 30.5

182.2 30.2 181.3 179.6 181.2
180 30
29.5
160
29
140 28.5
28.2
120 27.8 28
27.4 27.4 27.5
100
77.2 82 27
76 74.7 76
80 26.5
60 26
Mean (16 Goalkeepers Defenders Midfielders Forwards
teams)
Height Weight Age
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Talent Orientation
 Second issue: whether an athlete possesses physical, technical, tactical, functional and
psychological reserves to reach International level of performance in major
competitions.
 Thus, further thorough examination of motor qualities, specific skills, physiological,
psychological reserves and actual competition performance is highly advisable.
 Competition Performance and performance in the specific tests are among the key
indicators.
 Obviously at which position or in which event this performance is best.
 Example Usain Bolt migration from 200m to 100m and then perfect both
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TCO
• Motor qualities in relation to SPORT SPECIFIC
Manifestations
TOR
• Motor qualities in EVENT SPECIFIC
Manifestations
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Broad outlook at the age of Talent Orientation
Age of Talent Orientation in various sports
Orientation I Orientation II Orientation III
Group a Group b Group c Group a Group b Group c Group a Group b Group c
12 yrs 13 yrs 14 yrs 15 yrs 16 yrs 17 yrs 18 yrs 19 yrs 20 yrs

BASK
DIV WU BADM SHO 
HBALL 
WPOL   WL
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Why is that?

TCO
• Motor qualities in some extent in the sports of choice,
relation to SPORT hence, can be tested SPECIFICALLY
SPECIFIC
Manifestations
 TOR is meant for finalization of the

event choice; hence testing has to be
TOR MAXIMALLY SPECIFIC
• Motor qualities in
EVENT SPECIFIC
Manifestations
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Talent Orientation contd.
 Tests should be of a very specific nature. Only some of them should reflect general physical fitness
and more rather on maintenance issue.
 Ratio between general and specific tests is about 30:70. Moreover, general tests are selected as per
the requirements of the event. Performance is of a great importance.
 I - the necessity of having proper competitive practice.
 II - if there is no performance so far at this age, we can hardly expect it in nearest future.
 Final decision has to be taken after obtaining the opinion of experts in respective events. When
talent orientation is complete, comes the time to get into focused highly specialised training in the
identified event.
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Swimming Styles Representation in

the Competition Performance of
Illustrating Malaysian Adolescent Swimmers

OLEKSANDR KRASILSHCHIKOV
Research ASEAN University Sports Council
International Conference (AUSCIC)
2012, Vientiane, Laos
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Participants
 Participation patterns and swimming styles’ fielding were studied for 74 leading
swimmers during the Age-Group MILO-PRAM Malaysia National Championships
which was held in Malacca on 1st to 3rd April 2011.
 Age groups and number of swimmers researched during the Championships were
as follows:
 11- & 12-years old boys (n=10) & girls (n=12)
 13- & 14-years old boys (n=11) & girls (n=10)
 15 to 17 years old boys (n=14) & girls (n=17)
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Swimming styles dynamics
 All tested 11 to 12 years old boys 100
90
have swum four (90%) and three 90
(10%) swimming styles. 80
70
 In the age group of 13 to 14 years 64
60
olds swimmers performed in four
50 4 Styles %
styles (18%), three styles (64%), two %
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3 Styles %
2 Styles %
40
and one style (9% each). 29
1 Style %
30
 Most swimmers of 15 to 17 years of 20 18

21
age performed in just two styles 10

10 9 9
7
(43%). 0
0 0
11 to 12 13 to 14 15 to 17
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Swimming styles dynamics
 The trend becomes obvious –

with older age swimmers
participate in the smaller number
of swimming styles.
 Demonstrating the effects of
narrowing specialization
 And approaching the completion
of Talent Orientation at about 15
to 17 years of age.
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Guess who is that Swimmer
 12 years old
5 titles
 50m back stroke
 50m breaststroke
 50m free
 100m free
 200m Individual Medley
3 swimming strokes and
1 individual medley
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SELECTION
of Talent
Recognition
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TDE TID TCO TOR TSE

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Talent Selection
 Finally, it seems more convenient to use the term Talent Selection (TSE) as:
 Selection of the best performing athletes for the purpose of joining
 the camp
 the squad, or
 the team
in preparation for particular competitions
 The DIRECT selection through the specifically identified competition/tournament
is EVENTUALLY the outcome
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Talent Selection
 It is occurring periodically when best of

the best need to be selected.
 It actually has nothing to do with talent
identification, it is rather picking the
right ones from among the best available
TALENT POOL for preparation to a
particular high standard competitions.
 And obviously the top performance in
the selection competitions (selection
trials) is an ultimate objective.
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Often INTERNATIONAL
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Talent selection at the top performance level
Selection
To the camp To the squad To the team
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Selection Criteria: The Outlook
Major criteria Additional criteria

 Medal winning chances  Team player (pacer)
 Personal & current best  Relay team member
 Difference between No 1 & No 2
 Sparring partner
contenders
  Potential Substitute
Load Tolerance
 Consistency of performance
 International experience
 Potential development (for talented
juniors)
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Medal winning chances
Medal Bracket Olympic Games & World Championships

• Chances of the NATION’S BEST athletes to QUALITY for the TOP LEVEL COMPETITIONS
Medal Bracket Continental Games & Continental Championships

• Chances of the NATION’S BEST athletes to GET INTO THE FINALS and reach TOP THREE
Medal Bracket Regional Games & Regional Championships

• Chances of the NATION’S BEST athletes to WIN GOLD MEDALS
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Selection to the camp

 Placing in the National  Team player / link
Competitions/need in a position  Pacer or motivator
 Level of performance (personal best &  Relay team member
current)
 Sparring partner
 How long is the bench
 To have ample numbers to select from
 Load Tolerance
 Numbers can reach up-to THREE
 Team Cohesion TIMES the fielding number
juniors)
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Selection to the squad/ narrowing the camp

 Difference between No 1 & No 2  Team player / link
 Load Tolerance (already proven)  Pacer or motivator
 Consistency of performance  Relay team member
 International experience  Sparring partner
juniors)
 Numbers reduce to 2/1.5 times the
fielding number
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Selection to the team

 Medal winning chances  Team player (pacer)
 Difference between No 1 & No 2  Relay team member
 Substitution
 Stability of performance
juniors)
 International experience
 Exact fielding number + substitutes
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Logic of the FROM TALENT IDENTIFICATION

(TID) TO TALENT CONFIRMATION
Assessment (TCO) TO TALENT ORIENTATION
(TOR)
Progression
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TID
• Motor qualities in BASIC manifestation
TCO
• Motor qualities in relation to SPORT SPECIFIC Manifestations
TOR
• Motor qualities in EVENT SPECIFIC Manifestations
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Why is that?
 At TID children ARE NOT

TID
• Motor qualities in BASIC SUPPOSED to know much of specific
manifestation
skills, they aren’t trained for that YET
TCO
• Motor qualities in relation to SPORT
some extent in the sports of choice,
SPECIFIC Manifestations hence, can be tested SPECIFICALLY
 TOR is meant for finalization of the
TOR event choice; hence testing has to be
• Motor qualities in EVENT SPECIFIC MAXIMALLY SPECIFIC
Manifestations
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TH4259 Talent Identification and Development SSSS 2023

 Advanced Stages of Talent Recognition.

Talent Recognition THE HIERARCHY

TDE TID TCO TOR TSE

Krasilshchikov O., 2010

TH4259 Talent Identification and Development SSSS 2023

Talent Identification FIRST THINGS FIRST

 Main task of TID is to identify healthy children without morphological, functional

What are we YOUNG AGE ENROLLMENT

GYM A TT HOCK CYCL  WRES ROW 

ACR SQ  VBALL ARCH  JUDO CAN PENTA

What are we STANDARD AGE

GYM A TT HOCK CYCL  WRES ROW 

ACR SQ  VBALL ARCH  JUDO CAN PENTA

What are we LATE AGE ENROLLMENT

GYM A TT HOCK CYCL  WRES ROW 

ACR SQ  VBALL ARCH  JUDO CAN PENTA

Group A Group B Group C

Group A Group B Group C

Group A Group B Group C  What are we looking for in Group C?

Group A Group B Group C  What are we looking for in Group D?

JUDO CAN PENTA

Advanced Stages TALENT

TDE TID TCO TOR TSE

Krasilshchikov O., 2010

 The next stage of Talent Recognition could be termed as Talent Confirmation

GYM A TT HOCK CYCL  WRES ROW 

ACR SQ  VBALL ARCH  JUDO CAN PENTA

 At TID children ARE NOT

What are we STANDARD AGE INITIATION

What are we LATE AGE INITIATION GROUP

15 yrs 16 yrs 17 yrs

BOX KAY EQUE

Feature Heredity level

Parameter Heredity level

Advanced Stages TALENT

TDE TID TCO TOR TSE

Krasilshchikov O., 2010

 Next phase of Talent Recognition can be termed as Talent Orientation (TOr).

200 186.6 30.5

Height Weight Age

GYM A TT HOCK CYCL  WRES ROW 

ACR SQ  VBALL ARCH  JUDO CAN PENTA

 At TCO they are already trained to

 TOR is meant for finalization of the

Swimming Styles Representation in

Illustrating Malaysian Adolescent Swimmers

 All tested 11 to 12 years old boys 100

(10%) swimming styles. 80

 Most swimmers of 15 to 17 years of 20 18

age performed in just two styles 10

 The trend becomes obvious –

Advanced Stages TALENT

TDE TID TCO TOR TSE

Krasilshchikov O., 2010

 It is occurring periodically when best of

To the camp To the squad To the team

Major criteria Additional criteria

Medal Bracket Olympic Games & World Championships

Medal Bracket Continental Games & Continental Championships

Medal Bracket Regional Games & Regional Championships